Pelosi: The Health Care Bill Is “Very Fair” In Criminalizing People Who Don’t Buy Health Insurance

Proof  •  November 12, 2009

Sure. Everyone who doesn’t buy a government-approved health insurance plan through the government health care exchange bureaucracy this bill sets up will be fined and/or go to jail.
That’s fair, right?

KOMO News reporter Shomari Stone: Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?
Pelosi: …The legislation is very fair in this respect.

For what it’s worth, the health care bill passed in the House includes fines of up to $250,000 and penalties up to 5 years in jail for people who, again, don’t participate in the government health care exchange.
And regardless of what Speaker Pelosi says, there’s nothing fair about that.

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  • http://Array ????????????

    Cut out access for 12 million illegals and the problem would be more manageable. Also the majority of uninsured will not pay it, their responsible neighbor will, as most of the 2% this garbage will cover will qualify for the subsidy. Think man.

  • sayanything-9974

    Thanks – you are correct about being over zealous. I sometime get in the mood to take a sarcastic tone and I will try to offer more to the discussion in the future.

    I will remember to recite:
    Grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
    the courage to debate with honest opponents,
    and the wisdom to know the difference.

    Please accept my apology.

  • sayanything-106

    Stretch Pelosi is wrong again.

  • sayanything-5633

    Sparkie wrote: the fed pays for people’s health care bills who are uninsured. why wouldn’t we want them to pay for some or all of that expense instead of making the fed do it?

    I have two sons who are young and in good health. Neither choosesto take insurance eventhough their employers offer it. They have had instances where they have needed some leve of health care and have paid for the expenses out of ther iwn pocket. Contrary to your opinion, they do not cost anything to “the Fed”. They simply choose to manage their own risk.

  • sayanything-48

    instead of making the fed do it?

    How bout we pass a law that says the FED will not pay for it??? Wouldn’t THAT be better?

  • sayanything-48

    The thing is that if these companies didn’t take in from you
    more than they pay out they wouldn’t be in business. So basically you’re
    paying them to save money for you for repairs amd maintenance.

    While true that you tend to pay them more than they will pay out in the long
    run, it’s not “much” more. They earn a good deal of money by investing the
    premiums… so you have to calculate that in the equation. As you know the
    return on investing $1.00 is really low, but if you have $1,000,000 to
    invest (as a collection of premiums in this case) you earn a good deal more.
    Presuming you’re not paying out, in claims, more than you’re pulling in in
    premiums and return on the equity of the premiums, you can stay in business
    by just pulling in what is needed to cover the long term claim filings.

    But yeah… it’s just a Christmas savings account for the product…

    If you can manage your money, don’t get the insurance.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    Auto insurance is not used to inflate your tires or get regular tuneups. It’s only to cover catastrophes for other people.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    That’s a maintenance agreement, and isn’t included in the auto insurance mandates; it’s strictly a private sector product.

  • sayanything-9974

    Tend to pay more than they pay out – Big Bag of DUHHHH. Do you understand how the free market works, or capitalism or business in general. Business’ that don’t make a profit go ‘out of business (unless they get a government bail out). I suppose actuary tables are unknown to you. Given your statement above i am surprised that you could spell calculate or equation. Mathematical analysis is obviously not your specialty. I am sure that you are qualified for an Obama cabinet position (if you owe enough tax).
    Manage money? Don’t get the insurance and go to Jail (read the news) – remarkably uninformed.

  • sayanything-48

    Their take is that it is inflating auto repair costs for no real reason other than to inflate auto repair costs.

    While there is an inflationary effect of this type of contract, there are a number of benefits of this product.

    If you’re ineffectual at saving for future maintenance, buy one. If you’d rather never take a big out of pocket, but prefer smaller, more frequent payments, buy one.

    Additionally, if your engine blows up the day after you bought the contract… you’re out VERY little money for the replacement cost, Y’Know…

    For the most part, there’s little true inflation since the insurer makes money, like most insurance, by investing the premium dollars.

  • sayanything-8606

    ” I guess we will imprison illegals that don’t have insurance.”

    Now why would we do that? We bend over backwards for these bastards now.The more the merrier. There are still a few left in the southern hemisphere, so we need to quit slacking and get all of them up here.

  • sayanything-9974

    Numb nuts – uninsured people are already a burden to the system. How much are we already paying for illegal aliens. I guess we will imprison illegals that don’t have insurance. Get some talking points that are not so easily destroyed.

  • sayanything-48

    Actually I’ve been seeing ads for a type of auto insurance that covers repairs and maintenance.

    This is called a Vehicle Service Contract. They sell them for home appliances, like AC units and water heaters too.

  • sayanything-48

    Manage money? Don’t get the insurance and go to Jail (read the
    news) – remarkably uninformed.

    MM. Um… perhaps laying off the booze would be an advisable course of
    action.

    First and foremost: I was talking about Vehicle Service Contracts… Maybe
    before leaping to conclusions, you could learn to follow a thread.

    Second, I don’t know you personally, but unless you are an actuary by trade,
    I am eminently more qualified to talk about private insurance companies than
    you presume.

    Third, I know I’ve been absent from this blog for a long time, but if you
    have followed even a smattering of my writing over the past two weeks, I
    cannot fathom how you’d come to the conclusion that I “do not understand how
    the free market works” or how business works.

    Fourth, Your overzealousness in being sophmorically sarcastic is noted and
    will be remembered.

  • sayanything-2819

    Nothing fair, and nothing constitutional.

  • sayanything-2

    The House Bill creates more new crimes than the Hate Crimes Bill. Now, why do y’all think that is? Keep in mind that Billary Care did the same thing.

  • HG

    “Fair”… This is why liberals should never be anywhere near gov’t. There is nothing fair about criminilizing responsible behavior. This is an injustice in the name of social justice.

  • sayanything-2

    I know several repair/dealer shop managers who are dead set against this. Their take is that it is inflating auto repair costs for no real reason other than to inflate auto repair costs.

  • sayanything-7743

    I wonder if this “very fair” criminalization of those who do not have health insurance applies equally to all or will there exceptions for the privileged few? In this country there is a federal income tax and if you don’t pay or cheat, there are consequences, including prison. Right now, people are serving time in prison for not paying their federal income taxes; however, there are members of the ruling elite – little Timmy Geitner, Tommy Daschle, Charlie Rangel, to name a few – who have evaded their responsibilities but are not in prison. Will the same double standard apply to health insurance requirements?

  • sayanything-101

    It’s great for the salesperson selling it. The margins are huge and the risk of having to pay on it are small.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The thing is that if these companies didn’t take in from you more than they pay out they wouldn’t be in business. So basically you’re paying them to save money for you for repairs amd maintenance.

  • sayanything-101

    The analogy they make between health insurance and auto insurance is specious.

  • sayanything-81

    the fed pays for people’s health care bills who are uninsured. why wouldn’t we want them to pay for some or all of that expense instead of making the fed do it?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Right…I was just pointing out that they exist.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Actually I’ve been seeing ads for a type of auto insurance that covers repairs and maintenance. Sort of like comprehensive health insurance.

    Been meaning to look into it mostly because I’m interested in the economics of it.

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