Pelosi Calls Private Insurance Companies “Immoral”, “Villains”

Which is just the latest in liberal efforts to demonize anyone opposed to their take over of health care in America. Obama suggested that doctors are performing unnecessary procedures just to collect money. Now Pelosi is calling private health insurance companies “immoral” and “villains.”
Because they aren’t in favor of handing control of health care over to people like Pelosi.
This vicious rhetoric on health care is indicative of just how desperate the Democrats are getting on the issue.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday ramped up her criticism of insurance companies, accusing them of unethical behavior and working to kill a plan to create a new government-run health plan.
“It’s almost immoral what they are doing,” Pelosi said to reporters, referring to insurance companies. “Of course they’ve been immoral all along in how they have treated the people that they insure,” she said, adding, “They are the villains. They have been part of the problem in a major way. They are doing everything in their power to stop a public option from happening.”

There are plenty of horror stories about people getting taken to the cleaner by private sector HMO’s and the like. And I’ll not defend that sort of behavior, but I will point out that it is what happens when you ask someone else to take on the responsibility of paying for all or even just part of your health care.
Because let’s face it. Unless you become fabulously rich you’re probably never going to be in a situation where you can get all the health care you want without worrying about the cost. There is going to be a limit on how much health care you can get, and the only question is how that limit is set. Should it be set by our employer’s health insurance company? Should it be set by the government? Should it be set based on how much health care you can afford?
I think the optimal situation is for each individual to be responsible for their own health care. That way any limitations on access are self-imposed. Because for all the heated rhetoric from people like Nancy Pelosi about how “villainous” and “immoral” private health insurance providers are, how about the horror stories that come from the Medicare and Medicaid system? How about the horror stories from government-run health care systems like those in Canada and Great Britain? Are those some how less immoral and villainous than the HMO stories?
Having someone else involved in your health care decisions really stinks, whether it’s an HMO or some government bureaucrat. But at least in a private system you have the option of switching insurance/health care providers. And if we could move away from employer-based plans to more plans that are owned by the individual we’d see less interference in health care from third parties.
Pelosi just wants to trade one villain (HMO’s) for another (the government) when we should be looking at empowering citizens to get their own health care.

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Private enterprise, however, always serves at the pleasure and the free choice of the people.

    After riding high for a few years, Columbia/HCA (now again called HCA) came crashing down when it was charged with massively defrauding Medicare and other insurers. So far it has paid $1.7 billion in fines to settle those charges, and its legal troubles are not over.

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    Rick Scott, the man behind Conservatives for Patients Rights is uncovered in this ad by HCA.

  • ellinas

    I do see that William R. & Thomas F. Frist are listed on the B.O.D. for HCA, although that alone doesn’t directly implicate them in the activities of the subsidiary accountants. Got anything that directly blames the Frists other than personal opinion?
    Spartacus on July 30, 2009 at 02:53 pm

    Spartacus. What is the function of the B.O.D. exactly?
    Don’t they have some responsibility to ensure that the activities of the subsidiary accountants are above board?
    Only cowards and crooks hide behind the activities of the subsidiary accountants and reap the ill gotten rewards.

  • badlands4

    If private insurance is immoral, why doesn't she commit to go on the "ethical" public plan if it is passed?

    I keep asking, but no politician who supports any type of public plan will answer.

  • WOOFX

    It's not the companies that are immoral, it is the people who run them.

  • Bat One

    I wonder what "immoral" insurance company paid for her facelifts, Botox, and boob-job?

  • Bat One

    It's not the companies that are immoral, it is the people who run them.

    R-i-i-i-g-h-t!!!

    If only they were all federal bureaucrats instead. Like the ones running the Post Office, the FAA, or the IRS.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    So all of these companies that are actually providing people with services that they need are immoral while Nancy Pants who's wasting trillions of dollars that were all but stolen from the public is supposedly a moral creature.

  • robert108

    So much for the promise of "competition" from the govt option.
    The usual leftie tactic of demonizing what they intend to destroy.

  • WOOFX

    I'll take the Feds over this guy.

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  • sayanything-6955

    I wonder what "immoral" insurance company paid for her facelifts, Botox, and boob-job?

    Ill bet they wish they could get a refund on that claim!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Nobody should be paying for such a crappy job.

  • Bat One

    I'll take the Feds over this guy.

    That's your choice. But I see no reason I should give up my choice simply to pay for yours… or anyone else.

  • Neiman

    Companies are neither moral or immoral, good or bad, it is the people involved that give a company its moral bearings. Every human being will compromise their moral-ethical values to varying degrees in the interest of their financial security and/or lust for material prosperity, wealth. Don't misunderstand me, I think a passionate desire to accumulate personal wealth is good for America, it makes the machinery of capitalism work and it drags everyone along in its rush towards prosperity.

    What makes the difference then? Like every human endeavor, be it in business, government or the military, it all depends upon the moral bearings of those in positions of leadership. If they set the right tone, if they set the right example, the employees and the customers will receive full value for their investments in time, labor and money and those at the top will prosper more than those down the line. But, in 1962 this country threw over their moral bearings, they decided that the future was about breaking free from things like honor, duty, country and individual responsibility. The result? Excesses and great harm to the people by other people lusting after power and wealth at the expense of others. Oh, we have poster boys like Madoff, Enron and a long list of others, but very few of our national and corporate leaders have escaped the negative pull of looking out for themselves at the expense of decency and other human beings.

    So, even in these financial times, we have a host of people in government and corporations busy screwing over other people to get their bankrolls built up even as the bottom falls out of our economy. So, I do not doubt that some in the insurance industries are gouging the public andhelping to create the atmosphere wherein national health insurance seems appealing; but Prime Minister Pelosi and others, mostly liberals, bear the responsibilty for this behavior, but putting these insurance companies out of business makes the cure worse than the disease. There are measures like Tort Reform, making insurance companies tailor make plans to match the desires and actual needs of the insured and other steps that will offer a reasonable solution, except the government opposes every step to simply work with the Insurance and health care industry, more important to them, they want a government take over to satisfy their lusts for raw power, to be the ruling elite.

    Other than that, I have no opinion!

  • Neiman

    I'll take the Feds over this guy.

    Did he earn it, through his leadership, by creating growth for the company and increased income for stock holders, including 401k plans? If yes, then it was the Board of Directors that felt his contribution was worth that compensation. Did he actually fail the company? Then the shame is on the Board of Directors and stock holders for not tying compensation to such growth and increased dividends. That is capitalism!

  • Geoguy

    But they're not nearly as evil as Big Tonsil.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    I know most of my insurance company's "people" who run the companies. They are good, moral and honest people. I want the freedom to choose between various insurance plans apart from government intervention. They are doing just fine, thank you.

    This entire hoax is about honest, responsible people footing the bills for those irresponsible people who use and abuse drugs, engage in risky sexual behaviors and do not respect their bodies.

  • SigFan

    While technically not an "inanimate object" I was not aware that companies can take on characteristics ascribed typically to human beings. Pelosi is simply running the usual scam, villify whatever person or obstacle stands in the way of the liberal agenda. Particularly if the target is one of those nasty profitable businesses. Because we all know that profit is just bad, except when it's the Pineapple Princess making the profits, right?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    <img src="http://i27.tinypic.com/28wh4r4.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic">

    This entire hoax is about honest, responsible people footing the bills for those irresponsible people who use and abuse drugs, engage in risky sexual behaviors and do not respect their bodies.

  • sayanything-4625

    I'll take the Feds over this guy.

    Why does anyone trust Government more than private business. I've dealt with a government health care system. Get ready for 1200mm of Motrin and a three day profile.

  • ChuckD

    Regardless of how wonderful or crappy the eventual health care plan that comes out of Congress is, my question for all of those jokers is much more fundamental: on what basis does the government have the right to meddle with (and destroy) the health care services I'm working and paying for? What right do the uninsured have to take funds from my checkbook at gunpoint in order to give themselves health care? CONTROLLING HEALTH CARE IS NOT A PROPER FUNCTION OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT! Arguing over whether the plan is good or bad misses the point entirely.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Remember, she is from SF California. Location of the hippies and deviates.

    They even have lawyers defending trees and rocks as people, but will defend a woman's right to murder her child even before during and after it is born.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    The Federal Govt and the people who will be running the Healthcare of course will be very moral. Yeeeeeeah right!

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    There are always people who will trade time for money. That is still our free choice. You can pay for fast food or make your own garden and cook vegetables straight out.

    Many will not even cook their own food now.

    Same for health care, car care and everything you can possibly think of.

    We had a free dental trailer come to our school. A few students took advantage of it.

    My wife and I volunteered to transport and pay for a girl to have her eyes fixed. We talked with the father, got an appointment weeks in advance.

    When the big day came, the father was no where to be found and the girl absent too.

    There is a word that some use around these parts: Trifiling.

  • docdave

    It's not the governments that are immoral, it is the people who run them. Reason enough to not want government controlled health care.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    WISE, Va. (AP) – Nearly 2,000 people crowded onto a southwest Virginia fairgrounds Friday and waited hours to receive free dental care, eyeglasses and medical procedures.

    <img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/1zwevbs.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic">

    There is a word that some use around these parts: Trifiling.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    We have seen enough immoral people in our government. Some appointed people stay in there for decades, wrecking the lives of honest working people.

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The government has the power of the sword and jail threats.

    Private enterprise, however, always serves at the pleasure and the free choice of the people.

    Whoever does not understand this, ask a question.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Too bad I did not save some pictures of those families on drugs, but they were protected by freedom of information. Our Church has been donating time and medicine to Ukraine for over a decade now. We send missions to West Virginia with medicines and rebuild houses.

    What some here simply do not understand is that human beings need to take responsibility for their lives and not simply depend on some big daddy or plantation mentality.

    This leads to further giving up of more and more freedoms until we have none like back in the 1700s under the King of England. Then the government takes all the power and those few poster children can not even get health care without waiting for months and years. I wonder if I can find a picture of those dying in Britain and Canada where they have "universal health care". They trade time for death. Rationed health care.

    If someone waits and this foolishness is passed, there will be plenty of people waiting for months here and dying while some government "person" decides on their life and death.

    Not for me, nor for anyone I know.

  • sayanything-4625

    Bob, did you really just post an article about someone defrauding the government as a reason to have government health care? That one of the main reasons to get the government out of health care.

  • 2Hotel9

    Immorality and villainy, two things Nanny Pelosi is intimately familiar with.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    GIA, I don't follow.

    Big Business, specifically Bill Frist's family's big business
    "settled" out of court for $1,700,000,000.00 dollars.

    Do you have the Rick Scott ads in your town?

    The guy is a crook through and through, do you trust him?

    That was a private for profit business gorging on our tax dollars. Were I king, these kind of crimes would be treasonous.

    With vigorous oversight and I mean vigorous, we should be able to catch most of these abuses and make this thing work.

    The gop has said slow down for decades and when they ran the place did absolutely nothing…oh, I take that back. They gave billions to the drug companies with the Medicare D robbery scam. You do know that we were lied to about that doncha?

  • Spartacus

    Pelosi is from San Francisco, so I'm guessing she has a pretty good idea about what immorality is. Just saying.

  • 2Hotel9

    "It's not the companies that are immoral, it is the people who run them."

    woofie!! You are so right. And every one of them is a Democrat. The Democrat Party, Party of Big Insurance and Big Trial Lawyers. The people fucking America.

  • Spartacus

    Big Business, specifically Bill Frist's family's big business
    "settled" out of court for $1,700,000,000.00 dollars.

    $1.7 Billion? I think you better check your facts or typing RBB!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    1.7 billion?

    Yeah, that's right.

  • Spartacus

    1.7 billion?

    Yeah, that's right.

    Seems like I'd remember that. link it?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Yeah, it seems like you should remember that. It was gop leader Bill Frist's family business.

    Previously, on December 14, 2000, HCA subsidiaries pled guilty to substantial criminal conduct and paid more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil restitution and penalties. Combined with today's separate administrative settlement with the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), under which HCA will pay an additional $250 million to resolve overpayment claims arising from certain of its cost reporting practices, the government will have recovered $1.7 billion from HCA, by far the largest recovery ever reached by the government in a health care fraud investigation.

  • Spartacus

    It was gop leader Bill Frist's family business.

    I do see that William R. & Thomas F. Frist are listed on the B.O.D. for HCA, although that alone doesn't directly implicate them in the activities of the subsidiary accountants. Got anything that directly blames the Frists other than personal opinion?

  • Spartacus

    ^ that'll probably take you a little while, I'll check back in the morning.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    There was a rumblings about a blind trust scandal, so he disappeared from politics.

  • conundrum

    sanctimonius beeeyotch

  • docdave

    It was gop leader Bill Frist's family business.

    A giant corporation is a family business??? That's a first. This really is very old news with the alleged infractions happening in the 90's. [Hmm, who was president then?]

    As usual you are only posting this to slam the Republicans.

  • sayanything-4625

    That was a private for profit business gorging on our tax dollars. Were I king, these kind of crimes would be treasonous.

    I don't know what is so hard for you to understand, I'll put it this way, remember that military-industrial complex you guys are always railing about, this is the pharmo-goverment health care complex. Corruption is corruption and if its bad int he military its going to be worse in health care because it effects all of us. Do you think that government control will make it better? I do agree that they should be thrown under the bus and punished.

  • 2Hotel9

    Notice how quickly the usual leftards toddle in with a pile of lies to distract from themselves and their Party, the Democrat Party. Too fucking funny

  • Hoss

    That was a private for profit business gorging on our tax dollars.

    I'd have their ass too. But, why do I have the feeling that you'd give a total pass to all the utterly incompetent mismanagement of funds that goes on in the fed. Say, for instance, the billions of dollars that were reported unaccounted for at the Department of Education.

  • Mickey

    I'd love to see Pelosi in prison where she belongs.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    That was a private for profit business gorging on our tax dollars. Were I king, these kind of crimes would be treasonous.

    One private business is evil. Therefore, they all must be evil.

    Silliness.

  • Old Retired Petty Of

    She must have looked in the mirror.
    And hope it was made of highly polished stainless steel, a glass one would shatter.
    The only villians I see in this is nancy pelosi and her consorts, harry reid and barack obama. I said consorts. It is in a fashion what they are to her.

  • 2Hotel9

    Hoss? cyberstalkerboob has already done exactly that, multiple times.

  • TUNA

    A moral legislator would insist on particpating in the same crummy healthcare plan that she is proposing for the unwashed. Until this numbskull does that, the moral ground belongs to everybody but Pelosi, and the rest of the braying Donks, whose dead bill was nothing more than a blatant power grab.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I never knew that realitybereftboob's significant other was "Tinkalicious"!

  • 2Hotel9

    And now we all know.

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