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Doctor/Patient confidentiality?  Isn’this a rather egregious breach of medical ethics?

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I thought Rob was all for personal responsibility? If true, then shouldn’t the complaint be against the parents of these children for tolerating such probing questions into their personal lives? At least, shouldn’t Conservative parents be up in arms and demanding the HMO or whomever hires these doctors institute policies against such questions and advancement of personal political agendas in the guise of a medical practice?

I am beginnig, through many stories of late to see that the failure of our society, for the greater part, is because parents are failing to educate, protect and when necessary discipline thier own children. If Rob truly believes in personal responsibility, then perhaps he should direct some of his outrage at the parents first.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

If Rob truly believes in personal responsibility, then perhaps he should direct some of his outrage at the parents first.

No surprise, once again I completely disagree with Neiman. Gun ownership is not a disease. Interfering with lawful gun ownership is not the duty, business or calling of the medical profession.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof: You are being dishonest, I never called gun ownership a disease and I often defend the 2nd Amendment. It is just as usual, you are crappy about enemy identification. The parents should not allow this.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Doctor/Patient confidentiality?  Isn’this a rather egregious breach of medical ethics?

Why? Are they kissing and telling?

How about asking if the family cars’ keys are kept under lock and key?  How about the fat in the refrigerator?  Dogs and cats?  peanuts? 

If anything, having a gun or some other weapon to protect and defend one’s family would be a good thing, but you can’t talk sense into these type people.

They know what is best for everyone.

Communism is evil

They know what is best for everyone.

If its a sick kid, then they probably know what’s best.

Proof: You are being dishonest, I never called gun ownership a disease

Neiman: You are an ass. I never said that YOU said that. The AMA said that. The subject was doctors inquiring about gun ownership.  Try educating yourself sometime. Start here.

It’s not always about YOU!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Personally I’m all for public education about gun safety (though I’m not a fan of gun locks myself), but I’m not real keen on being made to feel like a bad parent by some smug doctor because I’ve got guns in my house.

The answer is yes. And I’m not afraid of using them on nosy Pediatricians, any more questions?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

It is just as usual, you are crappy about enemy identification.

It is just as usual, you are crappy about knowing what you’re talking about..

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

^ Furthermore, if I own a few guns, does that change the type of care said pediatrician is going to provide the child? Gun owner, proper care...Liberal, Hillary care?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

If its a sick kid, then they probably know what’s best.

Sparkie: not sure where you were going with that but I’m sure there’s a direct connection between a toddler having chicken pox and a Glock 9mm buried under moms panties in the undie drawer. It may be a spline, but it’s still a line.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

“Guns are a virus that must be eradicated.... They are causing an epidemic of death by gunshot, which should be treated like any epidemic--you get rid of the virus.... Get rid of the guns, get rid of the bullets, and you get rid of the deaths”.

-Katherine Christoffel, M.D.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Spartacus
Perhaps you should only see doctors who don’t ask such questions, instead of demanding that all abide by your rules.

That was more to my point.

The f**king doctors should stick with their mission of curing the ill a function that they often don’t do very well instead of getting involved with guns something they obviously know little.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Proof: As usual you are behaving like an ass, thinking you have some moral high ground and are intellectually superior to many people here, so please reserve your self-righteousness for someone else.

DocDave: You are usually quite rational, unlike some here, so let me ask you: What if a pediatrician sees indications in a child’s behavior that they are inclined towards extreme violence. Would it be okay to inquire about guns at home, in case the child might take their violence to a higher level? Even asking the kid to see if they are aware of guns being available?

Next, why aren’t the parents raising hell? The doctor can push the limits only as long as the parents tolerate it, no?

In most circumstances I am against the doctor asking such personal questions; but I see the parent as being responsible to stop such inquiries and expose such political questions, while I the same time make no mistake that I do support the 2nd Amendment as written.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Proof: As usual you are behaving like an ass, thinking you have some moral high ground

says the twit who called me dishonest because he didn’t know WTF he was talking about!
I have moral high ground when some ass calls me dishonest out of no other reason than his ignorance and inability to read and comprehend English.

My statement:

Gun ownership is not a disease. Interfering with lawful gun ownership is not the duty, business or calling of the medical profession.

Neiman: Try getting over yourself, just once. It’s not always about you!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Spartacus
Perhaps you should only see doctors who don’t ask such questions, instead of demanding that all abide by your rules.

That was more to my point.

Sparkie, I’m guessing that the “doctors” you prefer swear by the “hypocritic” oath as opposed to the hippocratic oath. Am I safe in my guess?

furthermore, what is your point?

Perhaps you should only see doctors who don’t ask such questions

As I mentioned, how is it that childhood measles are linked to dads .44 magnum burred under his athletic socks in his skivies drawer, provide details, as I’m obviously dense?  Again, you’re using a spline to connect dots. Can you draw a direct connection (MoPar has nothing to do with this)?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

There was a motto by which one of mt old Prof’s went by: if it feels wrong, it’s probably illegal or tortuous.

This is no exception.

It’s also been going on since at least the Great Clintonian, post-Columbine Gun Grab.

According to Dr. Timothy Wheeler, MD, when the men in white stray from asking you about your aches and pains into the territory of political advocacy it’s called a BOUNDARY VIOLATION.

Patients do have remedies for the boundary- crossing doctor. In today’s competitive health care market most patients can choose from many doctors. Changing doctors is the simplest solution. A written complaint to the health plan’s membership services department can send a powerful message that boundary violations by doctors will not be tolerated. If the problem persists, patients can file a complaint with the doctor’s state licensing board. Medical licensing boards are increasingly aware of the problem of boundary violations. Although state boards have addressed primarily sexual and financial misconduct, the broad principles they have developed to guide doctors in these areas apply to the entire doctor-patient relationship.

Get some!

...for great justice

Proof: You are wrong as usual, but I simply do not have enough respect for you as a human being to waste any time fighting with you over a stupid, manufactured issue. You can continue this fight on your own, you deserve yourself!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

over a stupid, manufactured issue.

Would that be your ignorance or your dishonesty? And why would you manufacture such excrement?
The next time you want to call someone dishonest, Knee-high man, you might want to get your excrement together!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof: You are wrong as usual, but I simply do not have enough respect for you as a human being to waste any time fighting with you over a stupid, manufactured issue. You can continue this fight on your own, you deserve yourself!

Onward, through the fog! Christian soldier.

Onward, through the fog!

Stolen from the labels on the “big hit” and “power hitter” fog bongs sold at head shops during the late ‘70’s

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

I simply do not have enough respect for you as a human being

Funny! After all the “F"bomb rants you’ve crapped all over this blog, do you think I give a big steaming pile of Neiman what you think?

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Well done Neiman.  It looks like your Nixonian enemies list now includes absolutely everyone here at SA.

What a sick, little lonely man you must be.

Well done Neiman.  It looks like your Nixonian enemies list now includes absolutely everyone here at SA.

What a sick, little lonely man you must be.

Ken: gotta admit it’s been educational. NOW I know what the riders of the short bus at the DKos and HuffPo are yacking about. And they’re correct, our side has a problem we need to deal with. Teh question is how do deal with the problem. Once the task is accomplished, the problem is forgotten, until it’s time for dealing with the task again....

It’s like changing oil in a ‘94 T’bird supercoupe, a real sunuvabich, but once it’s done you can forget about it for a while. But it always comes back again to haunt you.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Geez folks, why the circular firing squad?

Can we get back on topic?

Someone earlier mentioned doctors kissing and telling about the presence of guns and how they are stored.

The nasty part about what they were doing was the fact that this was back-door gun registration, by virtue of the numerous federal medical information sharing and reporting requirements.

Again, this came to light during the Clinton administration and possibly originated there as well under the aegis of HitleryCare.

Back in the mid-to-late 1990’s there was a nurse or group of nurses that had a website blowing the whistle on the OASIS database.  Essentially, anything you whispered to your doctor in a consult was to be entered into a computer and fed into a federal database.  The excuse being that it would streamline medical care, assist emergency treatment of unconscious patients and avoid medical insurance fraud (through information-sharing with insurance companies)

Yet, this evening, I could find nothing on the old OASIS database plan.  Instead it is now the name of a medical database software.

Just a moment:

Found something.  I do believe this is them.

As Minnesota legislators demonstrated in a 1996 medical records law, researchers should not have unlimited unconsented access to medical records. They must ask the patients for consent. Yet this routine use would allow individuals, health plans, insurance companies, pharmaceutical organizations, non-profit groups, foundations, and others to access individual psychological, behavioral, health, relational, medical, and educational data without consent.

This invasion of privacy will skew the very research conducted. It will permit faulty research conclusions and the formulation of inaccurate and inappropriate policy as a result. It has recently been reported in a California Healthcare Foundation survey that patients already alter or withhold information from providers to protect their privacy.

-- Citizens’ Council on Health Care

So gents, I implore you, stop this useless bickering and focus on this very important issue.

Please.

...for great justice

And if changing the oil & filter isn’t enough for you, try installing a new clutch & pressure plate!

There is more to this, but since a lot of the old Clinton-era links are now gone, I will have to rely on memory.

As ’The Clinton Blueprint: The President’s Health Security Plan‘ (Times Books, 1993) points out, once you are enrolled, you will be assigned a ”unique individual identifier.” “The unique identifier may be the Social Security number or a newly created number assigned to the health care system.” All of your medical information will be collected and stored in a “unified health information system,” where it can be accessed via your health-security ID number. And “an electronic network of regional centers containing enrollment, financial, and utilization data is created. The network receives standardized enrollment, encounter, and related data from plans for aggregations in analysis and feedback to plans, alliances, states and the Federal Government.”

Essentially, what was being pushed under HillaryCare was a very intrusive, mandatory set of surveys, and if I recall correctly, in addition to quizzing you and your children on the presence of firearms in the home, they also had designs on severely limiting your choice of healthcare providers once you were in the system. 

If you dared stray and seek a one-time consult with an unapproved doctor, you would be cut off from the entire system.

And these were the same folks accusing Gingrich of starving little children and throwing old ladies into the street! Aye, the utter gall!

...for great justice

It has recently been reported in a California Healthcare Foundation survey that patients already alter or withhold information from providers to protect their privacy.

Once again, it’s an egregious violation of doctor/patient confidentiality.  The doctors should be prosecuted.

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I see a doctor ?? with one black eye, a broken nose, and one less patient.

Lash yourselves to the mast! Here in PA Doctors are required to inform PennDOT if you tell them that you consume more than 6 alcoholic beverages per day, and your license will be suspended. Has happened to a couple hundred people during the last 4 years. Thankfully the majority of doctors do not participating in this Nazi crap.

2 years ago we went through the whole doctor asking about guns/cigarettes/4wheelers. It was part of the questionnaire that is filled out when the nurse is getting your weight/height blahblah. And we told her it was non-applicable. Question never asked again.

Now, our primary care doctor is a member of a local sports club, and we shoot on the same ranges fairly often, and he is fully aware that we have firearms in our domicile. He also knows that Boy is an excellent marksman and cable of teaching firearm safety/handling and hunter safety.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Spartacus

As I mentioned, how is it that childhood measles are linked to dads .44 magnum burred under his athletic socks in his skivies drawer, provide details, as I’m obviously dense?  Again, you’re using a spline to connect dots. Can you draw a direct connection (MoPar has nothing to do with this)?

Well, friend, as I have indicated above… I think its foolish that you wish to exert so much control over the personal/professional activities of others.

I thought you were a republican but apparently you are a masshole moonlighting as one.

M_z
agrees with me

In today’s competitive health care market most patients can choose from many doctors. Changing doctors is the simplest solution.

hotel
seems to have found a good doc. alternately, one can bring their state firearm safety certification and present it with their insurance card…

if one does not die on the floor in the waiting room.

Move_Zig, in a recent comment, makes the case very well.  The reality is that in most (I believe all) states, doctors are mandatory reporters of any hint of abuse or crime.  Hence, all of those “private” questions are really only a sand-grain of suspicion away from becoming public.

Moreover, the “party line” of the AAP is more or less to parrot the discredited Kellerman study, which “found” that you were more likely to be killed than protected with your own gun.  Only two problems with that line of thinking; when other researchers looked up the data, they found most of the victims were in fact shot with someone else’s gun, and that Kellerman et al had completely ignored defensive uses of firearms.  Kellerman also ignored the crime rates in neighborhoods--in other words, if they accounted for a confounding variable, that was a mistake on their part.

In other words, a polite note to the doctor, explaining the errors of fact, might do a world of good.  Start with the fact that it’s not private in any real sense of the word, and use the resources Michelle provides to demolish the claims that the very presence of a gun makes life dangerous.  Just isn’t true.

Not so fast Spark.

That’s not my position and it should not be attributed to me.  Indeed, under the proposed Hillarycare regime, choice of medical provider would be greatly restricted.

By my understanding of current Medicare and insurance co-pay rules, even without Hillarycare, choice of medical provider is being restricted through the Big Stick of non-coverage if the patient strays from the choices of member or approved health care providers.

Thus, those who have free choice is pretty much limited to those who can pay their own freight.  All others have to dance to the tune set by medicare / insurance policies.

The law, in its infinite majesty, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges.
-- Anatole France

...for great justice