Paul Krugman: US Auto Industry Is Going To Disappear

New York Times columnist and Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman suggests that the US auto industry may disappear, and that the bailout is merely a short term fix.

STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) — Nobel economics prize winner Paul Krugman said Sunday that the beleaguered U.S. auto industry will likely disappear.
“It will do so because of the geographical forces that me and my colleagues have discussed,” the Princeton University professor and New York Times columnist told reporters in Stockholm. “It is no longer sustained by the current economy.”
Krugman won the 10 million kronor (US$1.4 million) Nobel Memorial Prize in economics for his work on international trade patterns. Some of his research on economic geography seeks to explain why production resources are concentrated in certain locations.
Speaking to reporters three days ahead of the Nobel Prize ceremony, Krugman said plans by U.S. lawmakers to bail out the Big Three automakers were a short-term solution, resulting from a “lack of willingness to accept the failure of a large industry in the midst of an economic crisis.”
Facing massive job losses, the White House and congressional Democrats are negotiating a deal to provide about $15 billion in loans to prevent the weakened U.S. auto industry from collapsing.

Krugman is undoubtedly right that the bailout is merely a short-term fix. In order to survive the American auto industry is going to need to change. A bailout is only going to prop up the status quo, in all its over-regulated and burdened-by-stupid-labor-contracts glory.
But I don’t think the American auto industry necessarily has to succumb to foreign competitors. There are things we could to do revitalize it, and revitalize American manufacturing in general.
We could make labor laws a lot less draconian, for one thing. The auto industry, and American manufacturing in general, has for too long been burdened by ridiculous labor contracts that unnecessarily inflate the price of labor and require things such as nearly full pay for workers who aren’t actually, you know, working. We could also lower taxes. America, collectively, has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world. Lowering that tax burden would go a long way toward encouraging companies to stay in America, and encouraging new companies to move in.
Unfortunately, Democrats are far too fond of big tax revenues from big taxes and they are too beholden to Big Labor to every enact policies that make as much sense as those do.

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  • http://Array rightwing conspiracy

    Everyone’s talking Bush or Obama when the congress caused these problems – too many regulations and environmental restraints. The foreign car makes tried to make pickups that would compete with GM & Ford and they get any better mileage than the GM & Ford one’s do.

  • KEN

    UNEMPLOYED? HUNGRY? EAT YOUR FOREIGN CAR!

    Saddle Japan & Korea with the same layers of regulations, oversight, and standards as the U.S. and see what happens!

    How many new cars did Dodge, Ford, and Chevrolet sell to the asian markets this year? last year?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Wow. I see why people call Dino “diane”.

    It’s only a matter of time before this hateful individual is banned. He’ll cross the line soon enough.

  • ews48

    Almost all of the foreign car manufacturers are going to their governments for help now. They are not hesitating because they know how important their manufacturing capability is.

    U.S. made trucks have higher EPA ratings than their foreign counter parts.

    GM and Ford offer more hybrids than Toyota and Nissan.

    JW Powers rates some U.S. cars higher in quality than any foreign car.

    Ford and Chrysler were making money before the banks crashed the economy.

    Korea and Japanese governments contribute to auto manufacturing for R&D.

    Foreign car plants in the U.S. are assembly plants. They import components made in their own countries to assemble the cars with. Cars assembled in the U.S. by foreign car companies employ about 1/3 the number of U.S. workers per car for this reason. The balance is about the same but they are off shore. They regularly raise the prices on these components to make sure that the assembly plants don’t make to much money so they don’t have to pay U.S. taxes. Most of the money in each car that they sell ends up off shore.

    Members of John McCain’s campaign staff have received $2.4 million lobbying for foreign car makers.

    By selectively offering taxpayer incentives to foreign car manufacturers for their assembly plants giving them an advantage, the states have made the taxpayers liable for the failure of domestic car manufacturing and every UAW job lost. Foreign countries do not offer our manufacturers incentives to locate in their countries nor do they make their distribution and sales channels readily available.

    By stepping outside of the Constitution and getting involved in private industry and creating legislation that has put our car companies at risk, the federal government has made every taxpayer liable for the failure of the domestic auto industry and the loss of UAW jobs.

    The payment should be in the form of a settlement instead of a loan and it should be a lot more than $34 billion.

    The legislators and regulators who have brought this $14 trillion economy to its knees have the nerve to second guess the automakers.

  • Dino

    Expect sane people to become less sane as this economy sinks. The dems would be stupid not to blame the conservatives.

    You people are working overtime spreading the lie that this is all Carter’s fault via the CRA. What’s the difference?

    Obama and democrats need to hammer away at conservatives relentlessly. We need to use hate to our advantage.

    Trust me, having seen it directed towards liberals for years, you won’t like the outcome when you’re the target.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    I had forgotten about Diane. Sex Change Operation or alias.

  • http://fargophantom.com/ fargophantom

    There is a lot of CRAZY people on this site.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    When this meltdown gets rolling good, expect conservatism to become synonymous with pedophilia.

    Only in your wet dreams, Dino!

  • Dino

    My rhetoric is no harsher than most of yours. If I am banned it won’t be for railing against ethnic groups.

    Ironic charge to level at a person who bears the brunt of constant anti-gay comments.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    Deadrody

    You are correct, all of the little three companies agreed to these. The problem is the agreements no longer make sense nor are sustainable. Money has to come from something.

    Car sales? Nope
    Reserves? Nope
    Stockholders? Nope broke.

    That leaves who exactly. In a real world the little three would just fold up, say SORRRY to the UAW and co and close doors. Wait for someone to come buy the assets and start over.

    That means the workers contracts are worth precisely the same as the guy who has the glass or tire contract with the Little Three. Zip.

    Yes they made a deal. And now it will kill them.

    Dead.

    As it should be.

    I guess a worthless unenforceable contract is worth more than a radical 50% off concession and keeping a job.

    OH, and by the way, when Toyota or Nissan come buy the little three, they are not going to honor anything. They might even build Buick like cars, or Something very like the PT cruiser or even very like the Ford 150 or the suburban. But it won’t exactly be those cars. Just in the same plant, same tools, same suppliers, different nameplates.

    Sorry, It’s all over. Bad deals kill bad companies.

    This one did.

  • Dino

    When this meltdown gets rolling good, expect conservatism to become synonymous with pedophilia.

    Christians used homosexual hate to their advantage. Conservatives use hatred for the poor to their advantage.

    Payback is a beotch.

    Expect it, it’s coming.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    BTW, Dino: With your “liberalism” in full bloom here, expect to see some newly minted conservatives springing like Venus from the half shell!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Ronald Reagan got a lot of mileage out of demonizing liberals. So did Gingrich.

    “You people” sure get a lot of mileage out of “well, they do it, too” to justify whatever you have no rational defense for!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Krugman?

    Yikes! Creepy.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Ronald Reagan got a lot of mileage out of demonizing liberals. So did Gingrich.
    Obama needs to whip the people into a frenzy of anger directed at republicans and conservatives.

    Maybe you could have him hand out yellow stars for us to wear?

    Ronald Reagan told the truth about liberals. We don’t need to “whip people into a frenzy of anger”, we just tell them the truth about what “you people” want to do to them!

    And what in the world would possess you to think that people make the best long term decisions when they are in a frenzy? Your agenda is obvious here. You don’t want a democracy, you want a mob that will do what you want them to do, regardless of the moral, legal or constitutional consequences.

    Expect sane people to oppose your agenda.

  • http://2mdh.blogspot.com/ C. Y.

    Saddle Japan & Korea with the same layers of regulations, oversight, and standards as the U.S. and see what happens!

    Maybe we should reduce our regulations, oversight & standards and see what happens.

    There was a guy on the radio this evening that said retired UAW workers have company paid, no deductible health insurance. Other than congress does anyone else in the USA have that? Maybe it’s time to take a serious look at these costs.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Obama needs to demonize the republicans and especially, conservatives.

    Here is the panoply of liberal thought in short compass, the pith of Dino’s soul (and a pretty pith poor one at that!):

    Dino is not content to merely argue with or debate those he disagrees with, he wants to demonize them.
    This likely speaks to the endless name calling he engages in.
    His bitterness and hatred drives him to demonize those he cannot win over by rational discourse. Pathetic.

    Please. Call me a brainstem and disregard anything else I’ve said. It will make you feel better, I’m sure!

  • Mickey

    Saddle Japan & Korea with the same layers of regulations, oversight, and standards as the U.S. and see what happens!

    Or lower taxes and I could maybe afford a new GM vehicle.

  • http://www.racepages.com/brand/dc_sports.html dc sport

    I would not really want that to happen. The US auto industry is one of the major source of income for the American people. Just what would happen if it would all of a sudden disappear.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Rob: Nice picture of the brains behind Krugman’s column. Who’s the dweeb holding him?

  • http://www.wethepeopleforum.com/forum/forums.asp golfmann

    And why, may I ask cannot another person become a Henry Ford or whoever?

    Why can’t just build a better machine? :)

  • di butler

    Proof,

    I am still laughing about “pith poor!” too funny. And appropos. Dino is a radical. He wants everyone that is not in lockstep with him to perish. He uses words like “hate” and “demonize” to people who don’t agree with him. Lovely. He doesn’t want to debate, just hate.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Isn’t this what alogore wanted all along?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Krugman should know that the “U.S. auto industry” is more than just the Detroit Three! (Big three is a bit of an anachronism!) That industry is not going away any time soon.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    And yet Krugman has also recently said,

    As someone who’s spent a lot of time arguing against conservative economic dogma, I’d like to believe that the bad news convinced many Americans, once and for all, that the right’s economic ideas are wrong and progressive ideas are right.

    Hello!?! McFly?!?

    The Big Three are using “progressive” economic ideas.

    How is that working out, Krugman?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Sex Change Operation or alias.

    I’d say neither. Diane spent a lot of her time ranting about Jews.

    They’re both obsessed with revenge, envy and hatred, though. Two peas in a pod.

  • bill-tb

    If I were advising them, I would suggest they declare bankruptcy and move out of the country. Build world cars with willing workers, sell plenty.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    The elites despise private transportation. They want the dumb masses to have to rely on mass transportation so they can be more easily controlled on their way to and from Obama’s government broom factories!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    So much for “Hope” and “Change”.

    The left lied when they sold that line of shit.

  • Dino

    Yeah, reduce everyone else’s salary to minimum wage so SigFan can afford to buy lots of stuff!

  • Dino

    Ronald Reagan got a lot of mileage out of demonizing liberals. So did Gingrich.

    Obama needs to whip the people into a frenzy of anger directed at republicans and conservatives.

  • SigFan

    Dino said –

    Yeah, reduce everyone else’s salary to minimum wage so SigFan can afford to buy lots of stuff!

    The only people who earn minimum wage are those who skills and intelligence can’t command more than that, or those caught between jobs that demand a greater level of compensation. I assume you fall into the former not the latter category? I generally refrain from making statements about individuals on these blogs, but I have to agree with the majority opinion in this case – You Dino, are an idiot!

    PS – I already have all the “stuff” I need and want – earned every bit of it rather than having it given to me by the government or through extortive contracts with my employers.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    We need to use hate to our advantage.

    Hate? What a disgusting, shriveled and twisted soul you must have.

    You have my pity.

    you won’t like the outcome when you’re the target.

    Target? Thanks for the “heads up”!

  • carrick

    Good catch, Likwidshoe.

    This is all you need to prove beyond any doubt that Krugman’s analysis is agendized: What the facts are doesn’t matter, what matters is burying your political opponent.

    EWS48:

    Almost all of the foreign car manufacturers are going to their governments for help now.

    Prove it.

  • SigFan

    Bad management, lousy union contracts, exorbitant corporate taxes. This triumverate is what brought the US car companies down. Shame on the stockholders for not holding management accountable, shame on the unions for extorting unearned compensation from the companies and management for not having the cojones to say no to the thugs, and shame on our government for continuing to meddle in what should be a free economy and all of us for not getting the government off the back of industry.

    I moved out of Detroit 20 years ago in part to escape the choke-hold that unions had on industry (not just the car companies)in the area. It would take a post longer than my arms to list all the idiotic examples of overreaching I’ve witnessed by the unions in the years I worked in and around the auto industry. And as I stated above, the list of examples of management capitulating to these things is equally as long.

    Let them go bankrupt, reorganize under new management and reform in right-to-work states and watch what happens. And just for kicks, try lowering the tax rates and let the savings be reflected in the price of the product as it is now.

  • di butler

    Proof,

    If the “big three” do go away, do you think they can be convinced to take Paul Krugman with them? He is a freaky man, even before he starts talking about economics.

  • deadrody

    As much as I agree with most of the post, there is nothing about US Labor laws that forces anyone to agree to contracts where workers get paid to do nothing. That is entirely upon the shoulders of management at those companies. They agreed to the deals with the UAW, they have to live with them, and there is nothing in US labor law that forces them into such deals. Nor is there any change to labor laws that I’m aware of that would lessen this burden on those companies. More than happy to listen to any specific proposal, of course.

  • di butler

    Oh wait, I am a member of Better Business Bureau. Sorry, forgot about that. What did they do, I can’t remember them hating anyone?

  • pparets

    fargophantom… yes… but most of them are literate…

    “There are a lot of CRAZY people on this site.” :)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    BTW, you’ve got to like that “once and for all” bit.

    Funny, but when the left loses elections, they don’t say that their ideas have lost “once and for all”.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Dino the Demonizer: It’s good that you have a calling commensurate with your bitterness and vitriol!

  • KEN

    The payment should be in the form of a settlement instead of a loan and it should be a lot more than $34 billion.

    well said!

    question, wasn’t Barney Frank chair person on the house financial services commitee? wasn’t he sleeping with Herb Moses? Wasn’t Herb Moses assistant director of Fannie Mae? I admit i could be wrong. if however these are facts, should’t both Barney Frank and Herb Moses be asked/expected to resign?

    The audacity of Christopher Dodd to suggest that Rick Wagoner step down. Clean your own house before running your white gloves over GM’s door sills! hypocrite.

  • KEN

    found some interesting stuff.
    from THE NEW YORK TIMES:

    By STEPHEN LABATON
    Published: September 11, 2003

    ”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

    Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

    ”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.

    …What did he know and when did he know it?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    If the “big three” do go away, do you think they can be convinced to take Paul Krugman with them?

    LOL. We can only hope!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    And how soon do you think it will be before Republican ideologues start blaming Obama for making it worse?

    That depends. How long until he starts making it worse?

  • Dino

    Ironic comments di, from a member of a group that invented hateful political rhetoric.

  • Dino
  • di butler

    I am pretty sure I am not a member of any group at this time, especially one that invented anything. I don’t remember paying any dues, or saying any club pledges. The last thing I remember being a “member” of was my college sorority.

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