It’s all your kind have because the human spirit refuses to give up in the face of the darkness you sell. Eventually, they will rise up against it, and have enough of people like you. Repent before your neighbors tire of the left telling them to abandon ambition to better things.

Geezus, Potato. You are such a drama queen.

Israel successfully tests Arrow 2 | Israel | Jerusalem Post

As THE ONE cuts spending on US missile defense, Israel increases its efforts to defend its people. Don’t you wish we had a POTUS that had our national defense as his top priority instead of preaching to the world about a NO NUKES on earth political fantasy?

they are laughing at US

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1238562933063&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

It is worth noting that in the old Soviet Union, dissident moral equivocators such as Melvin Goodman, particularly those within the intelligence community, most often wound up with a bullet in the head, rather than an assortment of speaking engagements and a book contract.

How odd too, that in spite of Mr.Goodman, I don’t recall an uprising of Hungarians, Czechs, Poles, Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks or Georgians clamoring to return to Soviet Communist servitude.

Goodman’s bullshit is easily dismissed.

Test after test is showing that it is working.

Really? When have we hit anything? Was it due to a homing device?

A convenient strawman argument. Whether we give the technology to others or not is a separate question… one which has no bearing on the necessity for building the system in the first place.

It’s not a strawman idiot. In this hypothetical I am willing to give you the fact that we could shoot down their missile. I am asking if we should? Is it worth showing that capability for the simple missile that NK deploys.

But I have noticed that you have criticized my approach while offering nothing. What is your strategy for NK?

Should we attack NK? Should we use sanctions? Should we shoot down their missile?

Give me an answer of what we should do, not what we shouldn’t do.

By the way your SDI argument is the definition of a strawman. NK has is no foreseeable threat to the US. It’s just a scare tactic.

1. Any additional tests should be forcefully terminated in the boost phase with immediate counterbattery to the launch site.

Even if successful, this will accomplish what? Does it actually discourage NK?

2. A close embargo should be established against North Korea. All unpaid aid should cease.

There are already embargos against NK.

3. Russia and China should be apprised of 1 and 2. We should work with the RoK and Japan to ensure they are prepared to counter any
further DPRK provocations.

If you actually knew anything about the ROK, they want to give NK aid. They see them as brothers. The ROK wants to reunite with the DPRK.

4. China is already rather displeased with the DPRK, while the Russians view the DPRK as a catspaw at best.

That doesn’t mean they want us militariy involved on their border.

You are truly clueless.

Lioncourt:

What would you have us do? Take into account it is far less than certain that we could have shot a missile down.

It’s pretty certain we can shoot down one or two missiles, or soon will be able to. More than half a dozen would not be practicable for the near future.

I am asking if we should? Is it worth showing that capability for the simple missile that NK deploys.

If it’s carrying nuclear weapons, you bet.

As to what else I would do?

There isn’t much you can do with insane leaders. You basically either have to tolerate his actions, or decide you can’t. We can continue to hold a dialog with them (one party or many, idk), but truthfully it has a zero percent chance of working.

Sanctions will do nothing. They are a complete waste.

The North Korean government is inherently dishonest and will break every treaty that they make. They’ve proven this time and time again.

Our best bet is to try and establish economic ties with them, and slowly undermine their government that way. Kind of like what we did with China.

As I recall, the Clinton administration has already tried bribing the North Koreans as you’ve suggested. The interregnum was used to develop a nuclear weapons capability (under the “watchful” eyes of UN inspectors stationed there!) to which the North Koreans have now added a long range ballistic missile capability. Obviously then, recycling a policy that has previously proven a failure is not the way to go.

Besides, your approach is at best short-sighted. After all, is it rational to assume that North Korea is the only potential enemy of the US which will develop nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them? In fact the real threat isn’t just the North Koreans, but who else they will offer that technology to at a handsome price.

In any event, you have yet to offer an acceptable reason for not investing in the defense of the US by continuing the development of an anti-ballistic missile system.

How about you Bat1? What is your plan?

Do you really think that if we have the capability of shooting down that type of missile we should give that intelligence up for nothing?

Greg. Good summary. Hillary is just a bit better than Madeline IMO, but about as worthless.

Are you calling the USSR a petty communist regime? Or N. Korea perhaps.
If the latter, many like you tend to diminish threats with adjectives. The fact remains that the UN, US and about a million men died during the Korean War. Many of our men are still held by the communists there.

Was Germany a petty regime? How about the JAPS? Romans?

The point is that N. Korea not only poses a threat, but they now have fired a missile across Japan and potentially have the ability to weaponize that missile.

Neither you nor I know for certain their capabilities just like we did not know the USSR’s capabilities in the 80′s.

No whining, just telling The Truth. The Truth about the communists there and here who would murder millions for their fantasies. Heard of the 25 million proposed murders by Ayers?

Yes, with 20/20 behind sight, we now know that the Soviet Union did not have quite as many missiles as some thought. Nice to know. We also know now what the JAPS did eating our Airmen.

We have talked before.

The thread is about BHO’s apparent ‘naiviety’ just like Bill Clinton’s trying to treat acts of war as alleged crimes that might need to be referred to the UN for prosecution.

You and I disagree on these salient points.

Isn’t that basically the same thing that didn’t work out so well for the Clinton administration? I believe it was called the Agreed Framework.

Actually it was working fine until Bush was President.

Apparently those of you on the Left have yet to figure out that doing the same thing that hasn’t worked in the past isn’t exactly the sort of change that anyone is going to believe in. You are advocating doing the same thing in the foreign policy realm that Obama is doing with out economic and fiscal policy… that is dressing up an old, discredited idea from the past and selling it as something new and workable. Problem is, the rest of us read history. We know better.

Actually you can’t show that you do know better. Your brilliant idea was assassination. As if that was never thought of by China, Russia or America.

You absolutely have no clue what action to take. Your opposition to Obama is reflexive. You don’t even care if he is right.

Do you really think that if we have the capability of shooting down that type of missile we should give that intelligence up for nothing?

A convenient strawman argument. Whether we give the technology to others or not is a separate question… one which has no bearing on the necessity for building the system in the first place.

Lioncourt – Really? When have we hit anything? Was it due to a homing device?

Come on, man. You argue against that of which you have no clue about? Good grief.

Here, take a gander and educate yourself. That blog is alright for reporting on the tests this nation has done in regards to anti-ballistic missile technology. We’ve had a lot of successful tests recently and no, there were no homing devices on them. There were at first, naturally.

A couple of weeks ago:

San Diego-based Aegis destroyer, USS Benfold (DDG 65) engaged multiple targets during this multi-event exercise with Standard Missile-2 (SM-2) Block IIIA and modified SM-2 BLK IV missiles.

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During the event, Benfold’s Aegis Weapons System successfully detected and intercepted a cruise missile target with a SM-2 BLK IIIA, while simultaneously detecting and intercepting an incoming short range ballistic missile (SRBM) target with a modified SM-2 BLK IV. This is the first time the fleet has successfully tested the Aegis system’s ability to intercept both an SRBM in terminal
phase and a low-altitude cruise missile target at the same time.

We’re quickly getting there in terms of technology. And no, this won’t do well against an all-out attack from Russia or China today, but it will protect us from the rogue porno-loving dictators like Kim Jong-il today.

As for tomorrow, well, why couldn’t it protect us from an all out attack of multiple rockets and missiles from China or Russia? Those who argue that it wouldn’t and couldn’t, and that argument usually comes from the left, are a bit short-sighted. The only thing limiting us from doing it is us.

I just don’t get why so many on the left are calling the anti-missile system “unproven”. Keep up with the news, guys. It’s proving itself.

Mar 18, 2009

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US military successfully shot down a short-range ballistic missile near Hawaii in a test of its ground-based missile defense system, the Pentagon said on Wednesday.

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In the test, the warhead on the target missile was separated from the rocket motor, requiring the interceptors to distinguish between the two.

The dummy warhead was shot down in its last minutes of flight, Lehner said.

The soldiers who operated the system did not know when the target missile would be launched and more than 20 radars and sensors were employed on the test range to collect flight test data from the interceptor and the target, Lehner said.

The exercise was a test of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), which is designed to intercept short to medium range ballistic missiles.

The US anti-missile defense system has come in for criticism from some lawmakers over its reliability and cost, with skeptics charging the tests are not based on realistic conditions.

And why are those skeptics, including you Lioncourt, charging that the tests are not based on realistic conditions? Because you’re not paying attention.

I am a staunch proponent of limited government, but national defense is a legitimate function of government. I fail to see why we can give AIG and General Motors and Citigroup and banks all across the nation trillions in bailouts, but we can’t spare a few billion for missile defense.

Especially given the renewed threat posed by North Korea, among other nations.

Obama’s wrong on missile defense, and it’s not a partisan issue.

Rob amateur hour said he wasn’t going to weaponize space 1.4 billion is a drop in the barrel compared to the 12 trillion he has spent in 72 weeks in office. NOBAMA’s priorities are all screwed up. Seems that he is sticking to his word.

FEAR.

neither side has a monopoly on that.

Gustave776. You are spot on. Glad to see another logical, adult thinker here. Remember what the Communist Russians said about our first missile defense? They called it an offensive weapon system. The USSR collapsed about a decade later.

When are you fucking morons going to give a plan for NK?

Nice language.

Stop the BS. Even if our missile defense was perfect, what would you do?

None of you will answer this question.

It looks like it has been answered. Repeatedly. You just don’t like the answer and are now resorting to insulting. *shrugs* You’re being pointless.

Sarah, the Woman that all liberals fear.

By the way your SDI argument is the definition of a strawman. NK has is no foreseeable threat to the US. It’s just a scare tactic.

Just because there is no foreseeable threat doesn’t mean there isn’t one. The 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center was not foresaw either but it did happen. Imagine what would have been the devistation if the projectiles that hit the buildings had been nuke missiles rather than conventional airplanes. One may not know whether we will be targeted with nuclear missiles but it is incumbent that we protect ourselves from that eventuality the best way we know whether it be preemptive strikes, SDI or something else. If we wait for a clearly defined threat it will probably be too late to do anything to protect the nation.

Lioncurt you ignorant git, there are several articles on the progress of the missile defense system on this blog.

Try doing some research before spouting off for a change.

pussycat you ignorant fuck,

All of our Ballistic Missile Tests and Anti-Ballistic Missile Tests are conducted with open (as in un-encrypted) telemetry so the whole world can see that yes, we really can do that.

At least eunuchized has a clue on those rare occasions he delivers a surf report. I’ve not seen you comment yet on any subject in which you demonstrated clue one.

If this country is going to idly stand by doing nothing while unfriendly nations develop nuclear weapons and the method of delivering them, we better have a way of killing them before they kill us.

Dino2, You say the right is using fear tactics, and I say they are only speaking the truth. Palin has it right on, Alaska carries the resources we need to keep our country on the road. Korea needs to be watched carefully and we need to intercept if the time comes when these missiles are used against us or our allies.
Dino, I am speculating your Momma was a peace nick hippy and only GOD knows who your real daddy is, but in reality these issues need to be dealt with. Also Dino, Portland is on the west coast of the USA and in a few more tries, Kim Jong-il could be providing the fireworks for your next celebration of this country falling in around you.

Palin is so cute. I wonder why she thinks North Korea wants to bother dropping a nuke on a bunch of bumbling idiots who hunt in the middle of nowhere?
There is nothing to do in Alaska except pretend to be important and make babies at a premature age……..oh, and shoot large creatures of god for pleasure sake.

Can anyone tell me where this bumbling idiot is from? I’d like to compare his state with Alaska!

Might have to send an Alaskan down to him to show him what a true American is all about!

Moron!

Palin is so cute. I wonder why she thinks North Korea wants to bother dropping a nuke on a bunch of bumbling idiots who hunt in the middle of nowhere?

There is nothing to do in Alaska except pretend to be important and make babies at a premature age……..oh, and shoot large creatures of god for pleasure sake.

515 Billion.

Yeah…sorry that they only the scraps…

Is it worth showing that capability for the simple missile that NK deploys.

What a silly question! Of course we should shoot it down. Obviously bribing them (your “plan”) hasn’t worked when it was tried, so that’s out. And waiting for Kim to die is too risky given the man’s well-documented instability and their current nuclear capability. Perhaps the best idea would be to find a way to eliminate Kim and re-unify the North with with the South.

Incidentally, I notice that when cornered you resort to petty name-calling. And while I don’t much mind, considering the source, I wonder if this is some sort of congenital defense mechanism for those of you on the Left that kicks in when you realize that your bullying is being ignored?

Read it. One person’s perspective from the Vietnam era? Communist Russia actually took over and enslaved quite a few countries including Hungary. They actually murdered millions of people including seven million Ukranians.

No propaganda, just statistics. Remember Stalin’s remark regarding murder and statistics.
The communists are past masters at propaganda. Remember the two newspapers?

one was called ‘truth’. A communist lie.

Palin is an idiYoot who is posturing without any plan.

NK has both a border with China and Russia. You can’t attack NK without dealing with them.

If anybody thinks attacking NK is worth destroying our relations with Russia and China is a fool.

However, I am sure there are plenty of fools here. I’m looking at you Robert108.

pussycat,

Where is your plan, or for that matter, the administration’s plan? “Hoping” the leopard will “change” his spots is NOT A PLAN.

Here’s what I think we should have done, and should do:

This test should have been forcefully terminated in the boost phase by SM-3′s.

On to what should be done going forward.

1. Any additional tests should be forcefully terminated in the boost phase with immediate counterbattery to the launch site.

2. A close embargo should be established against North Korea. All unpaid aid should cease.

3. Russia and China should be apprised of 1 and 2. We should work with the RoK and Japan to ensure they are prepared to counter any
further DPRK provocations.

4. China is already rather displeased with the DPRK, while the Russians view the DPRK as a catspaw at best.

QED.

Where’s your plan, pussycat?

Palin is an idiYoot who is posturing without any plan.

And your plan was what exactly? Or are you just posturing?

The whole point of having a missile defense system is that it is a strictly defensive system. That is, it attacks no one. Not North Korea, not the Chinese, and certainly not Russia.

And only a REAL fool would suggest otherwise.

chief
consider STAR WARS. how expensive? did it work? no. it was dumbasses throwing money away on faith, paranoia, and buzzwords.

lets not repeat that.

chief rz
i am not debating that. i am debating the propaganda that fuelled our arms buildup in the 80s which was madeup and released by team b. you know the charts — future projections of the pathetic ruskies kicking our asses. it was all bullshit and so is this whining about the DPRK. They are just trying to keep the masses from feeding on the leaders by creating external tensions to provide internal solidarity.
you, chief, are providing that cohesion and solidarity with you whining. the DPRK thanks you immensely.

The presence of a gun? STAR WARS never bore any fruit. Nice strawman.

Bat
I whole heartedly agree. You are, at times, just as irrational as Obama.

Perhaps Drudge can show Palin how to two-step to “If it don’t fit, don’t force it”?

No Dino, the left operates on fear and division. You sell fear of everything to the point that people no longer really believe actions have consequence or meaning either positive or negative. They begin to act like it and soon society gets worse and fear is engendered in the society quite understandably and in your self-aggrandizing greedy spiteful way, you teach them to fear and that only you can fix it, and you go on to make it worse, purposely, so that you can step in and claim to save them from that, and so on.

Ronald Reagan brought hope by standing up to communist aggression. He brought hope by addressing the idiotic socialistic twaddle infesting government and calling it the bad mistake it was. Bush went after terrorists and a dictatorial thug giving hope to the belief that we could be victorious.

Your way is to cower in fear and encourage others to do the same. You should get used to cowering in fear Dino. It’s all your kind have because the human spirit refuses to give up in the face of the darkness you sell. Eventually, they will rise up against it, and have enough of people like you. Repent before your neighbors tire of the left telling them to abandon ambition to better things.

Chief RZ
The propaganda about the Ruskies in the 80s was bullshit too.

Also, I thought North Korea had an utterly failed attempt to launch a satellite. Palin is barking because she would have us enter a pissing contest with NORKO commie flunks? Heh. Isn’t that the sort of knee-jerk, dumbass reaction that NORKO commies are trying to illicit?

Does Palin have any other plans besides entering a pissing contests with jokers or playing into the plans of NORKO commies?

easing of centralized power and the corruption of local leaders ended up leading to the end of the USSR.

you can jock your revisionist histories all you want.

greg — that shit didn’t shoot down the SCUDs as planned. you offer counterfactuals like “of we had done X then it would have worked” and only reinforce my point.

any failure of anything is the other side of the partisan divides fault. c’mon man.

Rodney Randy Graves
I’m sorry, did you say something?

I think Matt ‘If it don’t fit, Don’t force it’ Drudge wants to get together for a screening of ’300′. I know you love that film…