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Planned Parenthood performs more abortions in this country than any other group of organization, and they make a ton of money from it.

(...)Kind of monstrous, isn’t it?

Not really. If it were monstrous, they wouldn’t make a profit and would be forced out of business. Since they’re still making "a ton of money," the people have voted with their wallet in favor of "non-monstrosity."

Davey, that some women in this country choose the convenience of killing their unborn children instead of raising them or putting them up for adoption doesn’t make the practice of abortion any less monstrous.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Bobbie wrote:

Well, that would be true if Planned Parenthood were actually concerned about promoting safe sex practices. Oh, sure, they hand out condoms and what not, but their goal is to promote sex. Because the more sex Americans are having the more women become pregnant when they weren’t planning to. And the more unplanned pregnancies the more abortions Planned Parenthood can perform for profit.

Since we already have established that Planned Parenthood is evil (and may be connected to the Nazis), if they were really smart, they’d hand out faulty condoms. They could pay people to poke pins through condoms...fetuses gone wild! They would just be rolling in the dough!

The name is "Rob."

And when you’ve got a serious comment to make, I’ll respond. 

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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So, Planned Parenthood gets no Federal money, Dave?  They turn a profit, eh, Dave?

Planned Parenthood is racist!!!

Pride Awareness Month provided materials, including 150 white T-shirts and colorful tubes of paint, which allowed students to paint shirts for free.

Only white T-Shirts!!!!!

Seth wrote: 

So, Planned Parenthood gets no Federal money, Dave? 

What, so you really believe the Wizards are going to win the NBA Finals? Let’s get serious here.

Oh, I’m sorry about that. I accidentally responded to a claim you didn’t make. That seems to be happening a lot around here, right?

I hastily read, "If it were monstrous, they wouldn’t make a profit and would be forced out of business. Since they’re still making "a ton of money," the people have voted with their wallet in favor of "non-monstrosity.""

I re-read, and see what you’re saying.  My appologies! 

Now, wait...   I just re-re-re-read it and haven’t got a clue what you’re trying to say…

You consider orgams to be "monstrous?"

Jesus---your poor girlfriend…

Seriously, tho’, I thank you for revealing the real anti-sex agenda behind so much of the anti-choice movement.

Hmmm, I know I’m correct in saying that some religious organizations poke holes in the condoms they give out because it "gives the sperm a fighting chance". Then that would also be promoting abortion.

 Let’s consider the planned parenthood was giving out condoms and sexual health pamplets. Condoms only say "hey, we don’t want you to end up accidentally pregnant" and "use protection". And as far as sexual health pamphlets go, I might just want to see what was written in them before passing judgment. They could simply say things like "use a condom", "get tested", or "don’t be promiscuous".

Someone is always going to be the leading abortion provider. By the way, who are the other abortion providers? Hospitals? Can’t pick on them- they have sick people in them.

Services planned parenthood offers:

-birth control, emergency contraception, sexually transmitted infections, abortion, adoption, men’s health, parenting, pregnancy, sexual health, teen health, women’s health

As you can see, they offer to help you PARENT, among many other choices. I think if they really were all about abortion, they would not offer parenting classes or refer you to any other doctors for help. I would say this is about the equivalent of an OB-GYN. So if planned parenthood = satan, then satan = OB-GYN. 

Dave said, Not really. If it were monstrous, they wouldn’t make a profit and would be forced out of business. Since they’re still making "a ton of money," the people have voted with their wallet in favor of "non-monstrosity."

Huh. So child pornography is a "non-monstrosity" because there is a market for it. This is a great way for an evil mind to excuse it I suppose.

Don Myers vomits out, Seriously, tho’, I thank you for revealing the real anti-sex agenda behind so much of the anti-choice movement.

Where is the "anti-sex agenda"? When did murder get reclassified as "pro-choice"? Where is the "choice" for the killed baby?

student student says, Hmmm, I know I’m correct in saying that some religious organizations poke holes in the condoms they give out because it "gives the sperm a fighting chance".

Wow! Source?

Well, a friend of mine says she knows an organization that does that (it’s a catholic organization), but I’d have to get the name of it again...It was something about someone she knows working there and giving that bit of inside information to her.

Wow, that sounds credible.

well what I could find online was a lot of articles about some guy named Adam Davis going to CVS and poking holes into condoms, lots of pranksters going to stores and poking holes in condoms, revengeful people poking holes into condoms, etc, etc…

But this woman is very conservative like all of you and doesn’t believe in abortion. She does not use protection, she just uses the rhythm method because it’s what the church wants. That would be reason enough for the church to poke holes in condoms, because they think that condoms are murder. I go to a monastery, and they believe that solo sexual stimulation is the equivalent of adulterating with your future spouse...You learn a lot of things from theology...but of course, class is not a credible, provable source.

Damn!  Kids acting frivilously in college?  What’s next ?  Keg parties ?  Wow, when will the madness end ?

Are you kidding ?  India is beating the US because our college students are too silly ?  Unreal.  Let’s bury our heads further in the sand.

Personally, I don’t drink. I am in a monogamous relationship and hope to marry the same guy. I spend a lot of time studying. I try to be the best I can be. I enjoy non-alcoholic get-togethers and community service.

So when will all of you stop the blanket statements?

By the way, I am responsible. Unlike some people whose parents pay for everything.

Why don’t we just learn to stop indulging our kids?

Of course, the reason that indian people are smarter is because they are raised that way. They are raised to be doctors, lawyers, whatever their parents want them to be. I remember I had an indian neighbor who was 6 years old and spent so much time studying with his mom because his mom DEMANDED it of him. It’s these kinds of people that end up skipping grades and getting the better end of the smart stick. If we all got rid of our social lives, we would be just fine, regardless of alcohol. From what I viewed, some of these "smart" people can be really immature, spend too much time by themselves or with a select group of other "smart" people.

I ask my mom why I’m not smart, and she tells me she doesn’t want me to be a robot like the rest of them. 

Let’s bury our heads further in the sand.

I’m not burying my head in the sand.  Countries like India are pumping out scientists and engineers.  America is pumping out lawyers and liberal arts majors.

That is reality.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob, did you read that the Indian way of life is different from the beginning? They are trained as soon as possible by their very own parents. They spend at least several hours every day on non-school related assignments because their mothers want them to memorize facts. This is why Americans are the dumbest of all. We don’t put importance in our families educating their children, but instead, we put it into social life. I was all for forgoing my social life for success, when I realized that my success would probably end in suicide because I did not have any fun in my life…

Student, Indian parents for sure put more stress on education than Americans, but I don’t think that’s the sum total of our problems.  It isn’t just that Indians study harder and longer, it is what they study.

If you haven’t already, read Thomas Friedman’s The World Is Flat.  He covers this issue well.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Wasn’t it the Planned Parenthood Federation of America that also sold T-Shirts that read: " I had an abortion and I’m proud of it"

 hmmm tasteless

Actually, Mick, PP sold t-shirts that read simply "I had an abortion." The point was three-fold:

1) To demonstrate that America is a pro-choice nation,

2) to show that your mothers and daughters and sisters and aunts have all made their own decisions about their own bodies, and

3) to show people like you that you cannot shame them into subservience or push them into the memory hole.

The real message is "I had an abortion...and it’s my body so FUCK OFF. If you have a problem with abortion don’t have one."

Don, you like most pro-choicers miss the point.  It has little to do with the mother’s body and everything to do with the little body that gets killed and then cut up and vacuumed out when an abortion is performed.

This isn’t about free choices, this is about not ending a life without due process of law. 

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Like most anti-choicers you cannot distinguish between a group of cells unviable outside the uterus and a breathing human being.

Don,

What possible reason did your mother have to keep your group of cells unviable outside the uterus and a breathing human being?

Maybe she made a huge mistake afterall .

Bobbie wrote: 

This isn’t about free choices, this is about not ending a life without due process of law. 

Absolutely hilarious coming from a hunter and an omnivore.

Animals aren’t humans, Davey, and no amount of moral relativism from you is going to make it so.  I mean, are you really trying to argue that animals be afforded due process rights?

Give me a break. 

By the way, I had a delicious roast beef sandwich for lunch.  Cow flesh is wonderful, isn’t it? 

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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How about these, were these animals?

 Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it

I mean, are you really trying to argue that animals be afforded due process rights?

No. Are you trying to argue that fetuses should? And do you really believe that that case is stronger than mine?

Regarding "holey condoms," I believe that at least one governmental agency (Arkansas state government under you-know-who) has been caught handing out faulty condoms.  The excuse given was that the public would somehow lose confidence in the condom handout program if it were halted until they obtained a product that actually worked.  Not Planned Parenthood, but it is worth noting that they weren’t among those outraged.

And of course, you the taxpayer got to pay for the welfare cases and Medicaid bills occasioned by this boondoggle.  You can send your f --oops, "Thank you" to former President Clinton.

No. Are you trying to argue that fetuses should? And do you really believe that that case is stronger than mine?

Well of course.  Foti (is that right?) are living human beings, where as animals are just dumb animals. 

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Robert Perry, since you-know-who let faulty condoms get out, could we reasonably guess how that stain got on Monica’s dress?

Don Myers said, The real message is "I had an abortion...and it’s my body so FUCK OFF.

Liberal "nuance" once again misses the mark. The reality: there are two or more bodies involved here.

If you have a problem with abortion don’t have one.

I guess you could also say, "If you have a problem with murder, don’t commit it."

Like most anti-choicers you cannot distinguish between a group of cells unviable outside the uterus and a breathing human being.

Liberal "understanding" once again misses the mark. The problem with you is that you fail to accept the fact that we do distinguish between "a group of cells" unviable outside the uterus and "a breathing human being", yet we still believe that it is wrong to kill the human being developing inside the mother’s body.

And Don - murder is a choice as well. I am against murder. Now you can call me "anti-choice" in regards to murder.

You don’t have much of an argument without the mischaracterizations of your opponents’ position, so I fully expect you to continue ignoring the clarifications.

Foti (is that right?) are living human beings, where as animals are just dumb animals. 

Animals are alive as well. Almost all animals are smarter than foti. (Though, of course, using intelligence as a guide for granting rights is a horrendously problematic guide, akin to the phrenological claims of Nazi Germany and other racists.) Animals can survive on their own--foti can’t.

Non-human animals surpass or equal foti in several different categories. I have yet to see a sufficient reason from you justifying why only one deserves political rights.

After all, asking students to wear their "sexual pride" on their chests isn’t exactly encouraging sexual moderation or responsibility.

Yes, we should all take the Paulian attitude towards sex and wear a hairshirt. 

And the more unplanned pregnancies the more abortions Planned Parenthood can perform for profit. Because that is the true nature of this group.

Do you have the documents and direct commentary by the persons in charge of Planned Parenthood to demonstrate this screwball conspiracy theory? 

Dave said, Animals are alive as well.

Well,...I’ll tell you what: if eating meat is murder, then murder is fucking delicious!

Well,...I’ll tell you what: if eating meat is murder

It’s not. Murder must involve a usurpation of rights. Since animals lack rights, eating them is not murder. Profoundly immoral and unhealthy, yes....but murder (illegal), no.

then murder is fucking delicious!

And unprotected sex with someone who is not your spouse is very enjoyable. Perhaps you see why we should move beyond "If it feels (or tastes) good, let’s go for it!" judgments in ethical decisions.

Dave,

As long as you refrain from legislating your moral code, your views aren’t my concern.

Dave said: Non-human animals surpass or equal foti in several different categories. I have yet to see a sufficient reason from you justifying why only one deserves political rights.

You might consider that unless proactive steps are taken to kill it, a human fetus has a very good chance of becoming reasoning and sentient; as a bonus, the fetus is a human being and will become a person.  On the other hand, even a very smart animal has little chance of becoming the same. 

That reminds me, I need to get some more fois gras.

Crap: FOIE Gras

You might consider that unless proactive steps are taken to kill it, a human fetus has a very good chance of becoming reasoning and sentient

I have a very good chance of becoming 21. Can I purchase alcohol? Or should we continue making laws based on the qualities people DO have, not the qualities they MIGHT potentially have.

Dave replied: I have a very good chance of becoming 21. Can I purchase alcohol?

No, but that’s a technically left up to the states to decide.  Come up with a better refutation.  In the meantime I’ll think of a better reply.

Dave,

Doing away with that limt might be a good idea, since it hardly makes a dent in teenage drinking; indeed, a more permissive system might lead to less binge drinking, drunk driving, etc.

Also, the easier it is for you to consume alcohol before you’re 21, the lower the chances that you will reach 21.  Allowing you to purchase alcohol because you may become 21 is paradoxical as it is self-defeating.

Hrmm, Epicurus doesn’t fit with the assumption that the alcohol laws prevent deaths.  Doesn’t help my system of making laws.

 On the other hand, it reinforces that alcohol laws, which appear to go against my ass-backward system of lawmaking, are bad.  Which is a net plus for my system.

Dave said: "I have a very good chance of becoming 21. Can I purchase alcohol? Or should we continue making laws based on the qualities people DO have, not the qualities they MIGHT potentially have."

After much thought, we can make laws based on both qualities that people do have and qualities that they will probably have.  The two are not mutually exclusive as you suggest.

Considering the alcohol discussion: I drink alcohol every now and then with my family. There are also some religious ceremonies with alcohol (such as wine) involved. Being that I have tried alcohol and am "under age", I see absolutely no need to binge on it. I try it simply out of curiousity and I can say that most of it tastes pretty bad, but I suppose that’s an acquired taste...Plus, how do you get to enjoy the alcohol if you can’t even remember what or why you did what you did last night? And  what about those headaches in the morning that I hear about all the time from those people who drink to get drunk? I have more incentive NOT to drink.

Perhaps this august forum ought to be reminded just exactly what the sexual revolution--including condoms--has led to.  In the United States alone, there have been over 45 million abortions, about 1/3 of adults have had a sexually transmitted disease, about one million AIDS infections, a divorce rate approaching 50%, and jails filled with the children of unwed parents.

And the "hair shirt" of Pauline theology?  Hardly.  If one reads 1 Corinthians 7 carefully, one will find that Paul endorses marriage for those who need it, and lots of sex within marriage.  When sociologists and pollsters study the matter, they find that those who have sex the most and enjoy it the most are married people.

Put differently, yes, cashmere and angora are made from hair in a matter of speaking, but that hardly suggests the picture that another poster was trying to make.

Robert Perry,

If one reads 1 Corinthians 7 carefully, one will find that Paul endorses marriage for those who need it, and lots of sex within marriage.

Which merely illustrates Paul’s essential hostility towards sex (his adoption of Platonic attitudes towards human emotions, etc,). 

In the United States alone, there have been over 45 million abortions, about 1/3 of adults have had a sexually transmitted disease, about one million AIDS infections, a divorce rate approaching 50%, and jails filled with the children of unwed parents.

The question is, how does this compare to the period before the so-called sexual revolution?  Your unsourced claims lack any use otherwise. 

It also assumes that without the so-called sexual revolution that spread of HIV infections (one isn’t infected by AIDs) would not have happened, which is a problematic claim in light of the numerous sexually transmitted diseases that preceded HIV and their rapid spread.  In other words, despite your claims it seems that human beings are doing today what they have been doing for ages. 

Don Meyer’s statement suggests a fetus has no soul. Or if it does have a soul too bad! It is my body and if I want to, I can kill that person inside me. OR, perhaps he believes people are souless? ...

Zsa Zsa,

Does one have to believe in souls in order to oppose abortion?

Can you prove the existance of a soul?

Robert Perry,

It is true that people assume that the 1930s through the period of the 1950s was one of modesty and restraint (though clearly this wasn’t true for soldiers on leave, etc.), but even if that were the case it seems to me that what we’re talking about cycles and not revolutions.   

Robert Perry,

BTW, just to perk your curiosity, note that one in six men in the 1940s tested positive for syphilis.  The reason we don’t concern ourselves with that disease anymore wasn’t because it was rare in the past but because of antibiotics.  You’ll find that there were also high incidents of gonorrhea at one time before the coming of penicilin.  In fifty years we’ll have the same attitude about HIV.  I’m sure at that time though some group of the population will still be in moral panic mode.   

And what are we comparing to? The Victorian era? You know...when people had "status" marriages and the woman stayed in the home to bear the children and worship the husband?

/me would be interested to go look at the rise in wife beaters too...or lack thereof.

There would be a rise in abortion simply because it had previously not existed. Well, whose idea was that? How about the fact that there were a lot of std’s in the old days too? And there were also condoms made of sheep intestines, while the romans had lots of gay sex and orgies. Gee, and we wonder why the roman empire feel.

If you make an offer, someone will take it up. That’s the way the world works. And I wonder just how many of those marriages that are left have spouses that cheat on each other. I’m pretty sure that there is at least one couple who does it for "looks".

Oh, may I mention, my grandmother was born in 1912 and she got married at age 18. Would you call that a detriment to society? I mean, man, that is pretty young, isn’t it??

The only thing I see that makes our problems is the "me, me, me attitude". And by the way, correllation is not necessarily causation. However, the way the world is going, I think I’ll be the only one left single and alone for the rest of my life because I don’t wear scanty clothing and lots of makeup. But I guess that’s better than divorced because your husband can’t seem to keep himself off the ladies.

You know...when people had "status" marriages and the woman stayed in the home to bear the children and worship the husband?

That was true of a tiny portion of the female population; most women worked in the 19th century as they had for millenia. 

There would be a rise in abortion simply because it had previously not existed.  

Clearly abortion existed prior to Roe.  Rob would seem to argue that we see a lot more of it today than in the past.  Of course we have a lot more people today than we had in the past, so its the per capita numbers we’d really be interested in to get a true figure.  Such per capita numbers might not exist though since keeping such statistics is a pretty new thing and since post-quickening abortion was illegal in most U.S. states prior to Roe.

Epicurus… I guess not. BUT, if that is not a person growing inside? What is it?

Zsa Zsa,

That depends on how you define what it means to be human?  Is it mere potential?  Or does one have to a certain set of traits?  And who makes the choice?  The individual?  A majority of the population?  A vocal minority?  Also, what will a ban on abortion mean in practical terms for other areas of human choice which anti-abortion types tend to attack as well (e.g., the right to die, etc.)? In other words, that’s a rather knotty query you’re asking. 

True, exactly my point that as the times change, the stats change to reflect the change in statistics and the change in whatever they are measuring. There is no accurate way to measure, so how do we guarantee that we know how many people actually used condoms/ abortion or whatever measure was taken. It’s also harder to get information that a lot of people see as a private affair. You would have to specifically study this issue over time, but then the way the surveys are made would be changed over time to improve. So therein lies the issue.

Trends tend to change. I also believe the last time I checked, teen pregnancy was going down.

http://www.teenpregnancy.org/resources/data/pdf/TeenPregnancyRatesOnePager.pdf

How do you explain this downward trend? Certainly not with the feminist movement or advent of abortion... 

My sources, Epi-foolish, are various surveys of the National Institutes of Health, Centers for Disease Control, Gallup, and the University of Chicago.  The numbers stand up.

And yes, they have changed.  Even if your syphilis number is correct (I’d guess it’s for soldiers, not men as a whole), the STD rate has approximately doubled or more.  The abortion rate is about 10x that of pre-Roe.

And the STDs we have now are generally caused by viruses unknown a generation ago--pretty much one new disease every year or two, and there are variants which make vaccines problematic.  Hence, even if a cure is found for AIDS (doubtful), we will never be shrugging them off.

Epicurus...That is a cool name. Does that have something to do with food tasting? As far as the abortion topic. I suppose that is for each individual to decide for themselves? Personally, I think being souless would leave rather an empty feeling. I guess that is what the word soul is associated with? Feeling and spirit…

There are many diseases that were already existing that were never talked about years ago. People were too embarrassed. You can look at old sailors logs and find those diseases. A lot of it is in historical documents (they just don’t show you much of those documents in school).

We won’t be shrugging the flu off either…

And certainly antibiotics aren’t going to last forever- we have to keep finding new ones.

Seeing as the number of teen pregnancies has gone down, I could guess that teens are not using abortion as a form of birth control. It does not seem to be incentive enough to have a kid.

 I’ve recently read an article about how baby boomers believe that they can’t get std’s. They believe that they are old enough to know better and that since they can trust themselves, they can trust their partners. Therefore, they do not get tested before having sex.

I’ve also read an article about how the child-sex trafficking is going up in big cities. The reason cited for this was because people assume that since the child has had no sex (yet) and because simply it is a child, it has no std’s. That is contrary to the actual fact.

These two things also contribute to std’s. Not necessarily Roe v. Wade, but just the evils of society in general. Some of these children that are trafficked for sex happen to be young boys. 

Robert,

My sources, Epi-foolish...

Oh do quit being childish. 

What exactly does the Gallup poll have to do epi data and the like?

Even if your syphilis number is correct (I’d guess it’s for soldiers, not men as a whole), the STD rate has approximately doubled or more. 

No, its for men as a whole.  Syphilis was quite common in pre-1960s America.  As were other STDs. 

The abortion rate is about 10x that of pre-Roe.

There is really no way to gauge the veracity of this claim since its unlikely that any pre-Roe statistics of much merit exist.  Anyway, at least I have you finally talking about per capita changes. 

And the STDs we have now are generally caused by viruses unknown a generation ago--pretty much one new disease every year or two, and there are variants which make vaccines problematic. 

You’re describing the plight of human history.  Viruses come and go because we’re biological entities and due to the nature of evolution.

Hence, even if a cure is found for AIDS (doubtful), we will never be shrugging them off.

We’re not looking for a vaccine for AIDs; we’re looking for one for HIV.  As to your predictions about ability to create such a vaccine, I have to ask, are you a researcher in this field?  Because if you have no experience in it, how could you make such a prediction?  And thus Robert falls on his empiricist sword. 

student student,

Remember, we’re a moral panic; teen pregnancies can’t be going down.

Zsa Zsa,

An epicure is a devote of good food and drink.  But that term arises out of some confusion regarding the true teachings of Epicurus.  You should probably just look up Epicurus on wikipedia or  some such and that will give you a grounding in the man’s thoughts.

As far as the abortion topic. I suppose that is for each individual to decide for themselves?

I doubt that everyone would agree with that though. 

Personally, I think being souless would leave rather an empty feeling. I guess that is what the word soul is associated with? Feeling and spirit...

Yes, but an atheist wouldn’t look at it that way.  An atheist would see freedom and individuality in their choice (or some of them might - others might be plagued fits of terror).

Abortion is a sad choice if you ask me??? BUT, no one ever asks me!

Zsa Zsa,

Please tell me what you think of abortion.  A woman’s point of view - as opposed to that of the NARAL Harpies - oughyt to be heard. 

Bat One...Since you asked! I think abortion is one of the most self centered things a women can do. Contraception is a choice that anyone and everyone has available unless they are in the back woods some where. A fetus is a human being growing and forming inside a womans body. That suggests to me that abortion is a choice to interrupt or kill a defensless life growing and forming inside a woman. To be pregnant means that a woman is accompanied by another life growing inside a woman. So aborting that life is to end it or kill it. Abortion is BIG business and all to often is used as what many women like to think of as contraception. Contraception is preventing a pregnancy. Abortion is ending a pregnancy. Ending a pregnancy is not in anyway contraception it is disrupting a life that is already forming. I would suggest a person wanting an abortion go to Planned Parenthood and say they couldn’t afford an abortion and see if they would provide that service. I doubt the abortion would be given...Thanks for asking!

Zsa Zsa,

Contraception is a choice that anyone and everyone has available unless they are in the back woods some where.

Or in a nation where it is illegal.

Epicurus...Where and what nation is contraception not illegal? I guess I never heard that one before?

Zsa Zsa,

As far as I know Planned Parenthood will do low or no-cost abortions for women of little means.  Indeed, that may be partly why (as I recall) Planned Parenthood accepts donations.  Indeed, as I recall, following Katrina some clinics in Arkansas and other places started to offer no-cost abortions to evacuees and that caused something of an uproar.

Zsa Zsa,

We’re talking about developing countries here.  The same places where access would be hard to come by even if it were legal, since various cultural, etc. factors inhibit their use.

Hmmmm? Katrina evacuee abortions for free??? I live in Houston and we have our share of Katrina evacuees and Katrina evacuee crimes. Didn’t planned Parenthood originate for aborting interacial pregnancy’s? I think Rob might have had that on one of his posts??? That is pretty sad either way.

That suggests to me that abortion is a choice to interrupt or kill a defensless life

So is hunting, and so is eating meat. There has to be more to it.

Dave...That is true. BUT, hopefully we are not talking about hunting and killing human beings. Just the thought of eating another person is totally disgusting! Eating animals is one of those things that the Bible references acceptable. I can’t quote where so don’t ask me.

 Eating animals is one of those things that the Bible references acceptable.

Yeah, right next to the one allowing the murder of homosexuals. The Bible can’t be our only frame of reference on ethical debate.

Dave...I haven’t seen the one allowing the murdering of homosexuals. I have seen where it says that homosexuality is a total abomination. I think you are right though...? In the old testament there were alot of sexual crimes. I think that the most valuable lessons in the bible are those of what Jesus and God say! Jesus and his messages are much more forgiving and more important than what the other characters have to offer… I have to tell you that most every time I have been to a church or bible study there is always someone telling me I am not saved and so I tend to shy away from judgemental types...So I am more fond of the passages that have what Jesus says. As far as eating animals goes I don’t know who said it??? It is most likely in the begat section?

Zsa Zsa,  Try Presbyterian.   Covenant PCA.

Seth,  Did you find a connection with PP getting taxpayer money to fund their murders?

I haven’t seen the one allowing the murdering of homosexuals.

Leviticus 20:13.

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

That doesn’t make it right.

Dave...Who saidd that? Leviticas or Jesus?

Chief, Doc, ...I used to go to a presby. church and liked it very much! It is some of the other churches that are not very nice to me. They love to say that the Lord told them that I am not saved. Doc, I appreciate those passages. Thank You! I am not sure, but I think the only unforgivable sins are blaspheme the holy spirit and leading little children astray???

Doc...Definately! Do you know anything about Mohammad? Was he a warrior? It sure seems like it to me.

Doc,...I was just curious because of all the Muslim stuff going on around us. The Muslim religion is very foreign to me and I find it anything but peaceful. The violence and destruction of property after the Mohammed cartoon riots and all the suicide bombings makes me curious as to why anyone would choose to follow a "prophet" such as Mohammed??? I have the flu so if I seem more off my rocker than usual, please forgive me ...Thanks man!

http://www.islamicamagazine.com/content/view/159/59/

I would pay particular attention to the quotes used in this article from the Quran.

I got it from this site:

http://www.islam101.com/index.htm

(This is in reference to people saying Islam is a violent religion.) I did a project on Islam many years ago. One thing to look up also is the 5 pillars of Islam, the main parts of their faith.

ROB is a moron

student student said, (This is in reference to people saying Islam is a violent religion.)

It isn’t? Am I imagining the world wide phenomenon of Islam and its bloody borders? World wide conspiracy perhaps?

mc said, ROB is a moron

Huh. Nice contribution.

If Islam is a bloody religion, then so is Catholicism because they abuse little boys. I have had a Muslim teacher and he is a nice man. Why don’t you read the articles?

 You can’t put everyone into one group. The only thing is that I can’t see why you’re not doing any research about that religion. These people who are doing the violence are radical muslims who go against their faith. It’s people who don’t understand the difference that keep beating them to death at gas stations and other places of work.

As you can see, they offer to help you PARENT, among many other choices. I think if they really were all about abortion, they would not offer parenting classes or refer you to any other doctors for help. I would say this is about the equivalent of an OB-GYN. So if planned parenthood = satan, then satan = OB-GYN.

Planned Parenthood “offers help parenting” as a cover up. They are the largest abortion chain in the nation… still think they want whats good for the baby?