Page 148 Of The Health Bill Will Allow Government To Determine The Care You Get
Dan Riehl found a pretty troubling part of the health care bill that will allow the federal government, specifically the Secretary of Health, to determine what sort of care is and is not acceptable for you to get.
A “qualified health plan” means any health insurance plan in the US, including private plans most now currently employ. Well, except for our elected officials in DC, of course. They will get to make their own health care decisions. But not you, or your doctor.
Beginning 8 on January 1, 2015, a qualified health plan may contract with—
(B) a health care provider only if such provider implements such mechanisms to improve health care quality as the Secretary may by regulation require.In plain English, any decision you, or your doctor, might make as regards your personal health care can and likely will ultimately have been pre-determined by Washington, DC. If a bureaucrat writes a regulation, and those will not be written or known until perhaps 18 months after this ridiculous bill has been passed, that will determine what is and what isn’t an acceptable health care choice for you, or your doctor.
I’ve spoken about the other side of this before. Both the House and Senate versions of the health care bill create insurance exchanges that all Americans must by their health care through. The government controls what insurance plans are offered on those exchanges. Now, per this part of the bill, your insurance company can only pay out to health care providers who meet the government’s standards for providing care.
Meaning, for instance, that if the government should decide to stop covering mammograms for women younger than 50 then you won’t be able to buy a plan which covers that, or go to a hospital which gives such screenings. The same goes for all sorts of treatments, drugs, medical devices, etc. If it isn’t government approved, you won’t get it.
So when the liberals tell you that this bill keeps your health care decisions between you and your doctor, they’re lying.
You don’t have a conscience or a subconscience. You are just a pathetic drone statist. And you are a coward. You would never call me a traitor, coward or liar to my face because you know I would rip off your head and take a dump down your windpipe.
Until the U.S. gets that Jay Leno’s Jaywalking isn’t funny if you think what a sad commentary of the populace it really is. The best bet is to educate people about Economics, Government and pay attention to what wants to get voted in. All of this was no suprise if you listened to what was said during the election. What I think is really bad is that from now on no matter how bad this bill is Democrats will say the Evil Republicans are going to steal your healthcare. No one will realize it is being stolen NOW.
I wasn’t quoting anyone, ahole. You are the coward for constantly rooting for the nanny state to run your life for you.
It is impossible to beat someone who is delusional and a patholigical liar. You make stuff up and then you Believe it whole heartedly. Nothing anyone says will ever change your mind. You are just like my ex.
If I ever try to marry a lib again, somebody shoot me.
you’re disgusting. Vile sodomite.
We already are rebelling, ahole. Your state run and state approved media called us perverted names. We are taking back our country, ahole. Maybe you’d be better off in Venezuela or Cuba where they have tyrannists that you like. You are too gutless to go all the way with your dream of a socialist utopia though. You know we are going to pull in the reins on you.
Dino Dino Dino ..How did you screw up the point, i was talking about you. All you ever do is cry about the handouts that you want. where do you think they come from. You are so unhappy, while you can still see one, why not get help? they have padded wards for people in your condition.
Your an F’N Idiot. STFU…
No I would support it, I just cant do anything about it personally because I have to take care of my kids. I do not receive any sort of government handouts thank you very much you jackass.
Really, somehow I don’t believe you are smart enough to steal a quote from someone else on your own. It must have been in your subconscious.
Unless you are a liar.
“We are a representative democracy. You guys lost during the last election cycle.”
Is that what you call it when the presidency is purchased for you by George Soros so he can be the shadow president? We are going to kick you aholes out of government.
Hey, super ahole we know all about incrementalism and you jerk offs and your plan. You are just going to get you smelly asses voted out for this you smug faggot idiot.
Lyingsort, you are on really ignorant and stupid mofo.
“As for rebellion and treason, I believe none other than Thomas Jefferson voiced encouragement for rebellion now and then, did he not?”
“Strangely he lived until 1826 without calling for it directly.”
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.”
-Thomas Jefferson, Paris, November 13, 1787
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96oct/obrien/blood.htm
I wonder how long until rebellion starts…? This may get ugly. With a 36% approval rating, life will not be good for those voting yea..
atease
Most Americans didn’t want Medicare either and now it is a holy grail. I am more than willing to lose control of the congress for the healthcare bill. Even if you take over, you won’t be able to change it, remember you need 60 votes and the president to sign anything and you don’t have that.
Hey Bob, you can’t steal something from 30 million people who don’t have it to begin with
I can’t “beat” you because you are an insane fool. You just spout off invective and bizarre rumors. Facts or logic mean nothing to you.
You’ve destroyed nothing. You are Hiltler at the end of World War II talking about phantom wonder weapons and bragging that non existent armies were going to defeat all the enemies of the Reich! Crow all you want about your “victory”. Have fun tonight telling your “friends” er stuffed animals how you showed some cracker in Alabama how to argue by ignoring the facts. I’ll be having fun with my family and you’ll still be a pathetic idiot in Oregon.
Most Americans don’t want the health care bill, leach. You are going to be voted out and then we’ll repeal all the socialistic crap you marxists passed. You are ignorant dirt, buttsniffer. Obamas deficit is higher than the deficits of every president before him combined thanks to him being so stupid and listening to that idiot Rahm Emanuel. The rats are already leaving your sinking ship, idiot.
What does Bush have to do with this conversation..? Get over it. He is done, 8 years worth. No more Bush for you to bash.
Turn traitor..??? I will stand up to tyranny every day of the week. This is the epitome of tyranny. Forcing folks to buy insurance or else..??? Cutting old folks’ Medicare..??
Traitor..? I am the author of Operation Clean Sweep. Everyone holding office today needs to go. Everyone at the local, county, state and federal level. GTFO
atease
Lioncourt.
Bona fides??? In the age of Chuck Liddell and Rampage you sound suspiciously like the Marquis of Queensbury. Put down the testosterone and pick up the glass of Chardonnay instead.
As for rebellion and treason, I believe none other than Thomas Jefferson voiced encouragement for rebellion now and then, did he not?
Russ, carefull when you say, “I do not recieve any sort of government handouts” WE ALL DO.
Do you homeschool, if not do you pay the total cost of education for your kids? Do you drive down roads, we all pay for them? do you have police or fire protection. do you fly? do you ride a train? Do you flush a toilet in a city? (EPA paid 85% of the sewer) but the main point i wish to make …………… DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT THE WORLDS BEST MILLITARY IS PROTECTING YOU? I know what you are trying to say and I do understand, but the damn government is so in our lives, where does it end? I think you ment to say you are not a bottem feeder who doesn’t work, doesn’t pay taxes, and doesn’t feed and care for his own.
Newsflash, you are in charge moron. Stop the war. Are you feeble and stupid?
What a nightmare! Are you sure you want to make that comparison?
You are really going to push “majority rule” as the reason health care got passed? There was no majority for health care. So by your “logic” democrats are going to push unpopular bills through as an exercise in majority rule? Or is this some democrat “logic” that I’m unfamiliar with? We’ll push unpopular bills that no one wants!”
Really Eddie, gonna be fun? Just how do you think you will accomplish your takeover and return to power? You think you will get 60 senate seats? You think you can overcome a veto form the prez if you were miraculously able to get to 60 which is questionable. You think the tone in Washington will change if you are in charge?
You think you can turn this bill around if you are in charge. Remember now you need 60 votes and a presidential signature.
What color is the world you live in?
people that save and earn rightfully get better things. they get better homes. better cars. better suits. better food. and like it or not, better medicine and medical care.
2 predictions;
i see many small cash-only hospitals opening up. and doing quite well might i add.
i see the poor getting worse care than they have now. they will somehow blame the repubs.
I find it much more likely that the states will be forced by their citizens to rebel against this, and I wholeheartedly support that. If I were not a single dad I would also support other options if DC continues to ignore over half the population of the US.
Gladly, it wasn’t me who was saying how dangerous he was. It was WHFF. I like Chardonnay.
Strangely he lived until 1826 without calling for it directly.
There are many forms of rebellion, if the Federal Government decides to no longer work within the boundaries of the Constitution or worse, begins to take away Constitutionally protected rights. Then each of those forms should be tried in sequence in hopes of avoiding a violent revolution.
It is my belief that in todays America we SHOULD be able to overthrow our oppresive government without a single drop of blood being shed. I stated that it seems to me, most likely the states will get involved and force the Fed to back down.
If being willing to fight and die for the Constitution (as I swore to do in my oath’s of service in the Military) makes me a Traitor in YOUR eyes. Then I am DAMN PROUD TO BE A TRAITOR. The Constitution and my oaths say otherwise, in fact. If you are so willing to watch the Constitution be ripped apart and flushed down the toilet then it is YOU who are the Traitor.
You Lioncourt are a hate-baiting Pile of Pelosi.
The actual quote is, “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” And it was first used as an argument against the Vietnam War. I am sure you would have supported that war as long as you didn’t have to fight it.
WHFF, you are a coward.
id never take it. none of my family would. just because you and your kind leach does not mean others will. besides, someone has to pay for everything. without people like me, youd be homeless.
Glad that you admit you are a potential traitor.
Everyone will be assigned a QOLI number depending on your current health. Your QOLI will be adjusted periodically with health factors, lifestyle and age factored in. If your Quality Of Life Index is below a number which the government determines makes you a debit to The Health Plan you will be told to go home and die when you become ill. There is no way the government is going to not ration health care. People with chronic illnesses, deformities, advanced age, mental retardation, mental illness and bad habits will be factored out. This is the Orwellian government we will have, brought to you by the democrats. The Party of Acceptance and Inclusion.
This is not about health care reform – it is a power grab by elitist lefties that have a complete disregard for the constiution and the laws of the country. If this is so wonderful why are they having such a hard time selling it? Are the legislators signed up for this program yet? This is more lies and deception just like global warming it does’t stand scrutiny. They have become more bold and arrogant, since the “ONE” was selected. These thugs need to be slapped down hard next election cycle. They must not be allowed to rule against the will of the people. Communism/Socialism has been a failure everytime and every place it has been tried. They WILL hear the people one way or another. Stock up on can goods and shotgun shells. Give me Liberty or Give me Death.
I did’t realize I would be able to find so many traitors on this thread.
We are a representative democracy. You guys lost during the last election cycle. To advocate rebellion makes you a traitor. Win an election.
Lyingsort claim to be a lawyer. All his clients are in prison and he is starving so he wants the nanny state to take care of him.
You mean you are willing to usurp other peoples freedom and wealth so you can have the nanny state take care of you.
Rebellion against tyranny is the highest form of patriotism, statist. You are too stupid to hold an opinion. When we want your opinion, we’ll give it to you.
dino, you should be concerned. AID’s treatment is very expensive. Someone may decide you aren’t worth it. (Not that we could put up a defense for you).
No, you get to oppose it through our system of government.
But what has been called for on this thread is rebellion. That is outside our system of government and is the purview of traitors.
BTW, you have no idea what the Founders wanted. Their were several of them, they wanted different things.
Dude, I am just messing with you because you are stupid,
But yes, if you call for the violent overthrow of the government, I would call you a traitor or coward to your face. I have my bona fides also in the toughness department.
You are calling for rebellion in this thread. That makes you a traitor.
You are a pathetic moron who doesn’t even realize when he is being baited.
Will do Russ!
It is long past time for us to march with pitchforks and torches. Many are saying lock and load. Infringement upon my constitutional rights will not be tolerated, especially when there is a hand in my wallet taking food and clothes off the table and backs of my children. Sorry, but this rebellion was started long ago. Today, it is continued….
atease
from the movie stalag 17, at ease pronounced atease
I did forget in the post, you are right ….. no argument from me on that
Seriously, Obama asked for the freaking job! Last years Deficit was that of a democrat congress, this year is democrat congress And president. Honestly, as far as you are concerned he should have immediately pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan and hiked taxes then began drawing down the military.
But he didnt, therefore all of the leftover budgetary items that were RENEWED are HIS. Remove those and you still have over a trillion in BS Spending that is 3 times the amount it took Bush and co 8 years to accomplish.
So people, why are you so behind bailouts for banks and car companies and wall street? Wouldn’t it have made all of you happier to simply let those evil conservatives die?
Don’t forget: the govt is absolutely dependent upon taxpayer “handouts”(actually confiscation; they would get nothing otherwise).
You’re both…
Our system of government has been perverted by ahole statists. We can understand why you don’t have a problem with this lyngsort, since you are one.
The majority of the people don’t want this “reform”.
Amazingly enough, even when told exactly what page is at issue, Rob still does not link to it.
Apparently if he doesn’t actually read it, he feels he can call others liars.
Conundrum,
Russ is in favor of rebellion as long as he doesn’t have to fight in it because he has other obligations.
Because rebellion should be easy.
Exactly Will, they know this is unpopular and they are willing to sacrifice now because they think it will bring them long term power. This isn’t about health care. This is about buying political power.
We withstood Bush’s approval rating.
Are you saying that you would turn traitor and support a rebellion?
You are an asshole, go read the constitution if you want to talk about our form of govt. The bill they are ramming thru is not what our founders would have allowed. read the 5000 year leap.
Bitter?? Conservative???Celebrating??? At least you got the Jew part right.
It is.
Hey Boy-Genius, they killed the public component of reform. Or don’t you read the papers?
But don’t worry. It’ll be back once we get this insufficient bill signed.
In time. In time.
Awful windy in here tonight, and the odor is horrendous…
Exactly. This is not Nazi Germany where the Fuhrer was Germany and the other way around.
What do you mean IF you were not a single dad. What the h does that have to do with it. You are either for it or against it . Being a parent single or married shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Are you getting some sort of gov’t support for your childrens health insurance?
You go, Pisces!
I’m sure Neiman, Sigfan, Potato and the others here said that too.
You’ll not only take it, you’ll be first in line to get it and demand it strenuously.
Actually, HIV poz people live long, full lives.
Sort of like yours but more fun!
Easy Russ, in a few months we will take over, no blood loss… elections are just around the corner. And it’s gonna be fun this time. hehe
I’m sorry did I call for an armed insurrection?
And as for the rules these people are setting, they’re Unconstitutional.
And you’re hardly the one to tell me how mature adults live.
Russ, they didn’t mention traitor when calling for the death of the previous pres…funny, huh?
Oh, and ALL the HIV poz people I know already get Medicare. No matter how old they are!
That should be “not when we still have….”
WHFF, you’re going to embarrass the little minded statist. He’s still trying to understand the point Russ made and needs a min or so…lol
Get him tease, he’s putty in your hands! lol All that traitor talk from a statist is making this show worth paying for. lmao
You mean the .6T that was passed over Bush’s veto? How about the TARP of .8T which was passed on a mostly Dem vote. What about the .3T NCLB, which was a split vote? Etc.
Democrats are responsible for the deficit. And you’re just mad that people like me exist who can point out the facts when you open your filthy mouth.
WHFF- easy big fella, enjoy crushing them.
Hey Kenny, hey WHFF…did you catch that – THERE WERE SEVERAL FOUNDERS AND THEY WANTED DIFFERENT THINGS…ahhh, how many constitutions are there again??? lol (this is too easy)
Damn, that smell…like open sores.
Through the years I’ve met several HIV positive people who died much sooner than someone who did not have HIV. One was a neighbor, he didn’t look like he was having much fun walking around with an IV bag all the time. But, you keep telling yourself what a great life the walking dead have.
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Wait, what? The government? Lying? Democrats? Lying?
Say it isn’t so!
You found a child’s drawing. I produced a list of bills passed over veto. I provided a list of bills passed with bipartisan support.
The deficit is everyone’s fault. But now, it’s mostly Obama’s.
Exactly and to prove that point:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
That’s from the Declaration of Independence
Drama queen.
So no matter what our elected representatives do, we have to support it?
The states HAVE to accept it? Even if it’s illegal, immoral, unconstitutional, or downright evil?
That’s certainly not the attitude of any real patriot or decent human being. And it’s not in keeping with the founders. Submission to those who violate their oaths of office is not patriotism.
Shame on you for calling others traitors.
But your Liberal idols are NOT doing this health care “reform” by sticking to the law. The Constitution says nothing about granting that kind of power to the federal government. It does say, however, that any power not specifically granted to the federal government resides with the states or the people.
Has Congress put this “reform” to a nation-wide vote? That would end the question one and for all of whether it was supported or not.
The only troubling part of this bill is that Obama wants it and the democrats passed it.
Republicans only utility is as a collective doorstop. They don’t want ANYTHING done.
Too bad they couldn’t stop this. More to come.
Mr. FarmSupport accusing others of getting handouts.
You people really are deluded, aren’t you? Reminds me of the ones here who think they paid for the unemployment they get or the Medicaid that support their aged relatives in nursing homes.
Parasite.
Oh hell Bat, Will had him all twisted up and now you’re going to confuse him. You guys have no mercy…
tease…you go boy!
His deficits live on.
Oh look! It’s a delusional one! He thinks he already won the election but instead is having health care reform crammed down his gullet until he CHOKES on it.
Can we expect you sh*tstains to start paying back the $5 TRILLION in debt you racked up from 2001 to 2007? Will that be cash or check?
Nevermind. Your kids will be paying for that. For a LOOOOONG time.
Most of the people I know with HIV are getting disability, just sitting around in gay bars all day on your dime. Taking trips, living well. The drugs are free, too.
It helps when you belong to a group of fun people that others love! The politicians will give you everything you want!
Conservatives don’t know what that feels like.
So if I decide to jail you for not liking my plan that’s ok? For not buyng into an unconstitutional law?
So if our leaders decide to destroy lives, and kill people, that’s ok cause it’s “our system”? Pass.
BTW, our founders (all of them) committed felonies over tea taxes. Don’t lecture me on the founders.
Oh yeah, that reminds me…Hey guys, did you hear this is all Bush’s fault! lol
YOU LOST. BIG TIME.
TWICE.
Oh look at the bitter conservative jew (a rare item) with no rebuttals celebrating the death of others.
Reminds me of all the conservatives praying for Obama and Byrd’s deaths!
Until your side wins an election and regains power, yes, they do what the f*ck they’re told. Just like you will when this bill passes.
You just can’t beat me, Greg. You never have.
If majorities ruled, you and the rest of the conservatives would be so totally screwed.
I just destroyed one of the major arguments of your side. Now, try and obfuscate your loss.
“Most of the people I know with HIV are getting disability, just sitting around in gay bars all day on your dime. Taking trips, living well. The drugs are free, too.”
Deadbeats soon to be dead.
Schmuck
You’re coming unhinged. And, your white trash roots are showing.
Oh Mickey, you think too small. Remember how all those Facists/Socialists/Communists treat those identified as homosexual…I believe it’s, “OFF WITH THEIR HEAD!” lol
No the real traitors are the politicians in Washington who continue to ignore the constitutional limits placed on them and their authority.
The real patriots are those who demand that the rule of law continue to be enforced. Rebeling against the Liberal machine running Washington right now isn’t the same thing as rebeling against the United States of America.
According to this report:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602
Those who identify themselves as conservative (40%) outnumber those who identify themselves as liberal (21%) by 19 percentage points. I believe your claim that progressives outnumber conservatives is a figment of your wildly delusional imagination.
The majority don’t want to be spending money in Iraq or Afghanistan anymore. How’d that work out?
If it were about majority rule, conservatives would be screwed. As we saw with health care, a few moderate democrats and republicans from small, sparsely populated states had a lot of control over the final product. Nelson-Nebraska, Lincoln-Arkansas, Snowe-Maine. If we really wanted to follow your “we invoke it when we need it” majority-rules caveat, conservatives would NEVER win a national election. Now when we still have a Senate and Electoral College.
The liberals and moderates FAR outnumber you. FAR AND AWAY. California alone would rule this country. If electoral votes were proportional to population, a system that gives the white trash of Wyoming 3 votes would give CA over 200 instead of the 54 they get.
So I wouldn’t push that “majority rule” thing or you’ll see a lot more than health care reform getting passed.
Yeah, until it’s you or yours whose needs outstrips your means. Then you expect to get helped.
You’re simply uncivilized. There’s no other explanation for it.
Yes, the bank that holds you home mortgage, the grocery store that wants you to pay for what you want, the utilities that keep your lights on, they’re all looking for handouts.
Because in Conservativeland, everything should be FREE!
Deadbeats.
Have you ever read the Constitution? The word “democracy” does not appear in it.
All conservatives are bottom-feeders of some sort.
Deo Vindici.
Why not grow the f*ck up and understand that your voice doesn’t matter any more? If your leaders hadn’t created the Depression of 2009, they might have some political clout beyond obstruction.
Oh, you’ll buy it, assuming you don’t have it. Otherwise, you’ll pay the fines.
I know what a bitch it is to live in a civilized society. Hard for you miscreants.
“Strangely he lived until 1826 without calling for it directly.”
Um, someone’s never read history.
http://www.bartleby.com/73/1065.html
You have no clue what the hell you’re talking about.
Yes, I agree. Time for a non-violent purge at the ballot box.
No, sorry, you can’t produce anything showing the deficit is anyone’s fault but bush’s.
Why not try and find a study, a report or some analysis proving your assertions? I found TWO proving mine.
Yeah, well, when you lose an election and just aren’t “happy” with the winners, too bad. That isn’t a call for armed insurrection.
You LOST. Now you have to live with someone else setting the rules. It’s how mature adults live their lives.
I will not buy insurance. And when some jack booted thug comes onto my property to tell me otherwize he gets tossed into the street. Next?
Or is that “vile sodomee”?
Go get your guns, drive to DC and start your revolution.
Bring all of your conservative friends!
Yeah, that sounds like all the other armchair warrior cons like bush who skipped out on serving in conflict.
Maybe you should go wash up. If you do, you might be able to find a woman who will bump your uglies.
UH O, here come those dreaded “AD Hominem” attacks…usually means someone has run out of ideas. I love a good crushing…lol
Just wondering, Eddie. Will your republicans be doubling the debt again, giving half your retirement savings to Wall Street, crushing your home equity and handing your kids an uncertain future and a country in decline like the last time?
That stuff still makes me smile!