Outmigration Mania Starts In North Dakota Again

I’ve had people spamming me with this link to a Pew study showing North Dakota as being one of the least attractive states to live in the union. I hadn’t posted it yet because it seems as if the only attitude allowed on this subject in North Dakota is one that calls for lots and lots of government spending on efforts to create “good paying jobs” so that our college graduates don’t go other places to live and work.
Which is totally ridiculous. Here’s the truth.
First, the outmigration trend has less to do with economics than an agricultural diaspora. Put bluntly, agriculture doesn’t employ nearly as many people as it once did. As agricultural technology evolved, as planting and growing and harvesting crops became easier and easier, fewer people were needed to work in the fields. And fewer people farming (or even ranching) meant fewer people needed to work in the elevators and hardware stores and cafes. All of those people had to find work elsewhere, and for most of them that meant leaving the state. It still leaves meaning the state, in fact, as a lot of younger kids born into farming families tend to leave. Because their work just isn’t needed on the farm.
Of course, that trend has reached its end. North Dakota has finally reached a balance between urban and rural communities, and fewer people are having to leave. Which is reflected in the state’s stabilizing population after years of decline. It didn’t have anything to do with the millions political leaders pour into “economic development” schemes and everything to do with the culmination of a measurable social phenomena.
What is perhaps making North Dakota less popular now (outside of our long, hard winters, which we’re never going to be able to get around) is the fact that the state has an economic environment unfriendly to business and entrepreneurs. That statement no doubt sounds like heresy to many in the state’s political leadership, but it’s true. Corporate tax rates in the state are high (North Dakota’s combined state and federal corporate tax rates rank it right above Japan, which has the highest corporate tax rates in the world). Sales taxes are high. Property taxes are sky high.
And on top of all that the prevailing regulatory mood in the state is one that has the state all but controlling the economy. If you happen to be well-connected politically, and if you can get in good with one of the various local economic development corporations, you can get a favorable tax and regulation situation. But if you’re not well-connected, if the political powers-that-be aren’t inclined to grant you their favor, then the economic environment here isn’t very inviting at all.
In general, North Dakota’s economic environment (as crafted by the politicians) is one that favors businesses that depend on the government for subsidy and favors instead of businesses that can come here, compete and succeed.
And that’s the biggest problem with people leaving the state or not wanting to come here.
Cut taxes. End this absurd “economic development” scheming that does more harm than help to the state’s economy by keeping taxes needlessly high. Then we’ll see a better situation overall.

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  • http://Array robert108

    Come to Illinois Rob, get yourself a good UNION job with excellent pay, and sweet benefits.

    Yeah! Help the unions do to Illinois what they did to Detroit and the domestic auto industry! Union greed puts our economy in need.

  • Buzz

    Who the hell would want to move to, or stay in a state where the temp. extremes are so radical. Besides the fact that it is a right to work state where you can expect to make less than the national average. We sent the Indians over by there for God sake because there is nothing there.

  • ec99

    “Well we’re still doing that, except now it’s the religion of nanny statism.”

    My bet is that most of the original settlers who were men acted as authoritarian patriarchs. Especially if they were from Norway and Germany. I think the state government evolved into the same thing, seeing they were also the original legislators.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    There were more people in Nancy Pelosi’s district in 2000 (640,000) than in North Dakota today (630,000).

    I think that any state with a population under 1 million should lose its electoral votes. The only reason the shitstain republicans win elections is the unfair way electoral votes are distributed.

  • ec99

    ND has been suffering outmigration for a century. And yes, part has to do with agriculture. The original homesteaders did need large families. But in the next generation only one child inherited the farm, leaving everyone else to search for something else, generally out of state. The daughters left with their husbands. All raised families, came back in the summer for visits.

    Ironically, UND is symbolic of the problem. It’s two great claims to fame, aviation and hockey, lead to nothing in ND. No aviation, no NHL team. Aside from that, there really is nothing to keep people in ND. Out of state as well as in-state college graduates leave in droves for better jobs, higher salaries, and more cosmolitan areas. Perhaps in part due to that oft uttered phrase: “If you don’t like it, leave.” I mean, how long did it take for ND to get rid of most of its blue laws, which were nothing more than government legislating religious prohibitions.

    And it is true, govt does not create jobs. Doesn’t seem like in ND they can even keep the jobs. Witness the bus company that took a flyer. So this, in addition to high taxes, unfriendly business and weather climate, and, yes, xenophobia and provincialism, all work against ND.

  • AR-15

    Well thats not a very healthy attitude.

    I’m not trying to be an asshole Rob, but…..What’s with politicians and some other people in ND having such a hard-on for increasing the pop? Pretty much every person I know doesn’t want ND’s pop. growing any bigger. There is more than enough people here the way it is. The last thing ND needs is a bunch of fucking libs from CA or wherever moving in like MT has.
    Please Rob, stop pimping migration to ND!

  • Dave

    I have never replied to one of these before but felt this one was imperative. It bothers me when people bash our great state when all they can use is inuendo and no facts. The business climate in ND is great. It’s remarks like many of you make that make it more and more difficult to get more business and jobs to our state.
    Let me give you some examples:

    ND has one of lowest costs of living in the country.

    ND has a corporate income tax rate of 6.5%, again one of the lowest in the Nation.

    ND is the 2nd best place in the nation for the cost of doing business. source Milken institute.

    ND state business tax climate property tax index. number 4 in the nation source the tax foundation

    ND is #3 in the nation for academic research and development spending. national science foundation

    ND is 8th in the nation in low cost energy. source edison electric institute

    safest state to live in

    least crime

    I can go on and on but the point is simply. If you haven’t done your research before you make statements, please don’t. All it does is make it more difficult for people that are actually trying to make our state better.

  • AR-15

    This news made my day! I seriously love it when more people leave ND. All you liberal assholes hanging out in western ND, get the hell out or move to west Minneapolis(Fargo) and don’t ever come back to western ND. We will NEVER be cosmopolitan enough for you people.
    If for ANY reason you are thinking about leaving ND, don’t contemplate one more second. Get the hell out and STAY the hell out. I’m thanking you in advance right now:) Seriously.

  • Conservative

    Rob, I think you hit the nail on the head. Agriculture is requiring fewer and fewer support jobs. Add to that the factor that it’s just a natural urge for kids to want to move to a place where there is more to do and see.

    Though there have been some economic developmnt success stories, one has to wonder if the money we have invested to bring in employers has returned a profit, or at the very least has broken even. The recent announcement of Sykes’ closing is another example. Though Sykes employed roughly 200 people, they have always had some employment stability problems, and their pay and benefits packages were a litte on the low side of the pay scale.

    I have always had a problem with the way our state has promoted employment. The strategy has been to promote our citizens as being highly educated, hard working, and willing to work for little wages. They have specificly gone after the low paying industries. Call centers, customer service centers, etc. But not a lot invested into creating a tax and busness friendly manufacturing environment or financial services which are typically higher paying jobs.

    But I do not support unions. I think their usefulness has come and gone. They have become far too corrupt. And as for the reasons to live in this state, one only has to take a look around. There is beauty in every season. One just has to open his eyes.

  • Craig

    Get rid of the income tax; that will entice people.

  • jimmypop

    Fargo is growing…. wonder why that is?

  • Buzz

    Come to Illinois Rob, get yourself a good UNION job with excellent pay, and sweet benefits. Forgo the Dark Side Rob, the grass IS greener on this side.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Fargo is growing…. wonder why that is?

    Metro area. A lot of the rural people from the western part of the state see Fargo in the same way a lot of the urban kids from the eastern part of the state see minneapolis.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Well thats not a very healthy attitude.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    how long did it take for ND to get rid of most of its blue laws, which were nothing more than government legislating religious prohibitions.

    Well we’re still doing that, except now it’s the religion of nanny statism. We didn’t expand the smoking ban this year (through the concerted efforts of certain advocates) but we’re passing all sorts of other nonsense. Like criminalizing lazy parenting. Banning bottle rockets.

    North Dakotans love them some authoritarianism, apparently.

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