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Wednesday, September 03, 2008


Open Mic Slip Up: Peggy Noonan/Mike Murphy Call Palin Pick Gimmicky

Conservative Peggy Noonan (who, ironically enough, published a very supportive column about Sarah Palin just this morning) was caught calling Palin a gimmicky pick on an open microphone after a discussion with MSNBC analyst Chuck Todd.

Murphy: ...because I come out of a blue swing-state governor world. Angler. Whitman. Tommy Thompson. Mitt Romney. Jeb Bush. And I mean, and these guys, this is all like how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And, IT’S NOT GOING TO WORK.

Noonan: IT’S OVER.

Murphy: Still, McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech and do himself some good

Chuck Todd. [Unintelligible]... think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson?

Noonan: ...saw Kay this morning.

Todd: [sounds like ‘she’s not comfortable talking about it????]

Murphy: They’re ALL bummed out

Todd: Is she really the most qualified woman?

Noonan: Most qualified? NO. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives.

Todd: yeah, they went to narratives.

Murphy: I totally agree.

Noonan: Every time Republicans do this, because that’s not where they live, and that’s not what they’re good at, they blow it.

Murphy: You know what’s really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is “no cynicism” and this is cynical.

Todd: And as you called it, “gimmicky”

Liberals are no doubt crowing in delight over this, but I think Noonan’s point is a good one worth discussing.

Picking someone because of what they are rather than who they are is something the liberals do.  I’m convinced that a big reason why Obama is the Democrats’ pick for President is because he’s a black man, and they think “first black President” is a narrative that plays well with voters.

Noonan, and clearly Republican consultant Mike Murphy, think that McCain picked Palin for the same reason.  She’s a woman, and if elected would be the first woman VP.  But are they correct?  Was Palin picked just because she’s a woman?

If that were true, and I don’t think it is, I’d be upset. Because, again, that’s a game liberals play.  But I think Palin’s record shows that she’s got more than enough qualification to be VP.  She’s dealt with budgets in Alaska.  She’s dealt with energy issues both as a Governor and as a member of Alaska’s Oil and Gas Commission.  She’s tackled ethics issues, including taking down corrupt Republicans in Alaska.

Obama, frankly, doesn’t have anything that matches in his record and he’s on top of the Democrat ticket.

So was Palin a gimmick pick?  I don’t doubt that some political strategists are cynical enough to think so, and are cynical enough to think that such things work.  But I think the reality of Palin goes far beyond that, and attempts to diminish her to nothing more than a feminine mascot for McCain’s campaign aren’t based on reality.

Update: Noonan responds:

In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. “The first lesson they learned is the one they remember,” I said to Todd—and I’m pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that’s over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, “It’s over!”—and I said it more than once—that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn’t know, but that we just might find “This IS a country for old men.” That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that “It’s over.”

However, I did say two things that I haven’t said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn’t thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn’t ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, “Why him and not him?” Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don’t like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it’s not where they live, it’s not what they’re about, it’s too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don’t like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won’t be something in between.

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It must be something in the msh2o over at msnbc.


Without an honest exchange of ideas, how can a mind grow?

RebTex on September 3, 2008 at 04:00 pm
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a rather racist comment I would say. Nice touch. You should have followed up that statement with something about nepotism.
I suppose we will have to refrain from that word until Jeb decides it is his turn to sit in the big chair.

imagine on September 3, 2008 at 04:03 pm
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They want Mitt Romney because of who he is, and are against Palin because of what she is.

brent j on September 3, 2008 at 04:14 pm

“imagine” said, a rather racist comment I would say. Nice touch.

Yet another person who bellows out “racist!” in an attempt to shut down debate.

likwidshoe on September 3, 2008 at 04:19 pm
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I think it’s because of what she stands for. Remember, Gov Palin took on the Republican establishment in Alaska… I’m not so stupid to think that every single “establishment Republican” in the party and the press is overjoyed at her selection.. That’s what makes me want to vote McCain-Palin even more…

Kay on September 3, 2008 at 04:20 pm

I’m convinced that a big reason why Obama is the Democrats’ pick for President is because he’s a black man, and they think “first black President” is a narrative that plays well with voters.

Why don’t you just ask us.  We picked him.  The answer is….nope!

But it is hard to state that they didn’t pick Palin so she could try and pick up Hillary votes when her nomination speech spoke directly to that in a big way.

That idea is insulting to women.  And unfortunately it will probably work for small amount of women.


Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

Hannitized on September 3, 2008 at 05:02 pm

It’s great how goppers cheer Palin as The One who took on their own party’s establishment…the ones they have voted into office year after year…

OOOOhhh help us…we are gop and we can’t get up…


If someone somewhere could only sum it up in a signature on some blog somewhere….


Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele


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realitybasedbob on September 3, 2008 at 05:11 pm

Maybe these two should come out like el rushbo did and finally admit they are, like rush, water carriers for people who don’t deserve it.


Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele


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realitybasedbob on September 3, 2008 at 05:16 pm
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Rbb,

I guess we should overlook republican elected official’s indiscretions and improprieties like you libs like to do.

HG on September 3, 2008 at 05:18 pm

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Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele


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realitybasedbob on September 3, 2008 at 05:26 pm
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Maybe these two should come out like el rushbo did and finally admit they are, like rush, water carriers for people who don’t deserve it.

Rush hasn’t carried McCain’s water.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on September 3, 2008 at 05:53 pm
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Hanbone, you didn’t pick him. The superdelagates and party officials did. Then they debated whether or not to even let Hillary’s delagates vote, before they just procalimed him to be the pick.

Also, 96% of Black voters are going for Obama and you think it’s not related to the narrative?

Urainium238 on September 3, 2008 at 09:51 pm
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I think Palin was a political pick, but not a gimmick. The Republicans saw how old people see McCain and how youthful and energizing Obama is for the Democrats. They wanted to get on the bandwagon and they found a youthful, charismatic politician who is sure of herself. I think the fact that she is a woman has blinded Democrats to what is truly threatening about her, she’s charming enough to make batshit crazy absolutist laws, like no abortion even for rape or incest, palatable for people.

Fousheezy on September 17, 2008 at 08:50 pm

she’s charming enough to make batshit crazy absolutist laws, like no abortion even for rape or incest, palatable for people.

Nice try. This has already been debunked.

You a day late and a dollar short - go to the back of the line.


‘A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.’  - Thomas Jefferson.

sanity on September 17, 2008 at 09:01 pm

Sarah Palin is a gimmick.  She repeated almost verbatim the same talking points about drilling in Anwar in the Gibson interview as she did the Hannity interview.

She is a talking point memo queen.  No substance that would rank her a good Veep pick.


Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

Hannitized on September 17, 2008 at 09:18 pm

H: Unlike your boy Obama, she says the same thing over and over again, because it’s true.  Obama just changes his story to suit the situation.  As a leftie who hasn’t a clue as to anything resembling the truth, you think everything is a talking point.  That’s only true for your lying leftie script.  Sarah tells the truth, which doesn’t change.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on September 17, 2008 at 09:27 pm
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