I don’t think anthropogenic global warming should be taught in schools any more than intelligent design should.

These are as factual as darwinism.

G-d exists on faith alone. He does not hand out evidence, ID cards, etc. Evolution exists even if you don’t believe in it. G-d doesn’t exist for you unless you do believe.

Many things exist on faith alone. Think of the faith you have to have to believe that there is no God. If we can’t prove that there is a God, no one can prove that there isn’t either. You may argue that disproving is not the scientific way but real science explores all sides, positive and negative. As an engineer for over 40 years, I found that good problem solving (which is basically what science is) assumed nothing.

Your atheist comment is sharply limited to one possibly useless specie which doesn’t prove a thing. Ask your friend to explain how atoms came to be and why all elements consist of the same atomic components yet are uniquely different.

I have considered creation from the science point of view and have come to the conclusion that nothing that is in the unverse as we know it (can’t rule out multi-verses) came to be by chance.

I don’t think they want “little Liberal Activists”

They (like all rulers) want a population that believes their propaganda, follows orders, and stays fearfully within the confines of the reality that is created for them.

Oppression would be a good term for this sort of brain washing.

Unfortunately, parents are so busy these days working the confines of money — that they have little time to un-wash their children — assuming that they know the difference between propaganda and truth.
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Really, we are supposed to take the word of a spambot that is too stupid to put the link for its rip off bullshit in its spambot post. I don’ t’inkso, Lluuccyy!

Come to think of it, they will behave exactly like dinothefakehomo, sannitized, woofie, buzzed, and boob.

Never mind, we is all there already!

DHS is right, anyone who believes humans are destroying the “environment” are extremists with a high probability of joining militias and committing terrorist acts.

ARGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I want to scream whenever this nonsense comes up. If I hear one thing more about only atheists…

suite my comment had to do the attempt to equate ID with AGW which is nonsense. Dealing only with creation ID stands as a plausible theory since there is nothing to refute it. That is not true with AGW.

The only solution is bigger government, less freedom and higher taxes.

ID is LESS plausible. More like the “ufo aliens built the pyramids” idea. Evolution has solid evidence in the genetic code, fossil record, molecular chemistry. ID has none.

That’s not even remotely true.

The common argument is that since evolution is observable on a small scale (small, insignificant change within species), that it is obviously true that everything came from one common ancestor, which came from nothing! This logic is so piss poor, and so ridiculous that it boggles the mind.

Reading books by great minds like Behe and the like destroys this silly myth that there is no science behind ID, and that it’s all superstitutous bunk. These men use not only logic but present scientific evidence that bolsters their claims. Irreducable complexity comes to mind as one of the more persuading pieces of evidence.

I’m tired of people pretending that the case for Darwin’s Evolution is completely foolproof, and ID is nothing but holes.

why wouldn’t they given the environmental hysteria they’re indoctrinated with on a daily basis.

Indoctrination is a good word for it. Back when I was home schooling my kids, I got a sample “Weekly Reader” sent to me. For map skills, instead of seeing which country produced more wheat or corn or iron, they little tykes were supposed to determine which countries produced the most “ozone destroying chlorofluorocarbons”.

If you’d drop the “liberal” versus “conservative” bashing nonsense, maybe you’d have a chance for a meaningful dialog.

maybe its not global warming they fear, maybe its the doomsday soothsaying going on, which no doubt the media co-opts. maybe they just sense the bad hierarchy looming over us.

Hey, Cass, we are all curious. How is it going, your living life without money? We are just burning to know how that is working out.

Stop scaring children!

why do we care about this? i thought we all died in the nuclear war that took place in the 80′s. i know thats what we were told was gonna happen.

Meant to write Earnest Mayr.

It’s late.

This leftie scare tactic reminds me of a verse in Bob Dylan’s “Masters of War”:

“For threatenin’ my baby; unborn and unnamed; you ain’t worth the blood that runs in your veins”.

i thought we all died in the nuclear war that took place in the 80′s. i know thats what we were told was gonna happen.

heh. jimmypop with the zinger.

ID is LESS plausible. More like the “ufo aliens built the pyramids” idea. Evolution has solid evidence in the genetic code, fossil record, molecular chemistry. ID has none. UFO aliens making the pyramids has none. AGW has less than none because the evidence runs counter to it.

As far as nothing to refute it, scientifically that is not how things work. You have to produce evidence for something and there’s none. Zip, zero, nada.

Religiously, that’s the way it SHOULD be. A noted atheist ironically put it best.

Now it is such a bizarrely improbably coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [the Babel fish] could have evolved by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: “I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.”
“But,” says Man, “the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.”
“Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t thought of that,” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. -Douglas Adams / The Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

G-d exists on faith alone. He does not hand out evidence, ID cards, etc. Evolution exists even if you don’t believe in it. G-d doesn’t exist for you unless you do believe.

Evolution is fact. Even the Catholic Church isn’t fighting that. The only ones holding on are born-agains and a few extreme charedi rabbis. For crying out loud we prove evolution in dog, cat, horse, and cow breeding all the time. We prove it every time two people reproduce and give their kids their hair, eyes, tendency for certain diseases…

ARGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I want to scream whenever this nonsense comes up. If I hear one thing more about only atheists…

GRRRR…

As far as the subject of the children believing things goes, was the last couple of generations different? Did no one see Lewis Black going on about how he was told to avoid atomic bombs in school by hiding under his desk, which he pointed out amounted to telling him to hide under kindling?

The Day After? Threads? A new ice age? Silent Spring?

Come on people, we see this constantly. It sucks, but if you want to stop this, you need to smash the teachers’ unions and if you want to do that, you need to send your kids into the teaching profession. It’s not glamorous and I’ve never met a parent yet who’s said, “son, you need to be a school teacher.”

Fun factoid: the majority of teachers come from the bottom quartile of college students. Conservatives tend to raise smarter offspring. Top quartile people don’t become teachers too often. Liberals are morons. You can see where that goes.

Anyhow, not too surprised.

Also notice that Darwin has the balls to make clams that can be found true or false. Not unverifiable claims about reality like the Churchmen.

These are as factual as darwinism.

No, ID and anthropogenic global warming are in league all their own.