One Election Isn’t A Reason To Give Up On Good Ideas

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As is usually the case after an election, those who were defeated are feeling morose and those who won are rubbing it in. It’s not a very fun time for those who are engaged in the nation’s never-ending political debate, but it’s not a reason to give up on that debate.

The election nationally, for Republicans and conservatives, wasn’t a good one (to put it mildly). I’m getting a lot of messages from readers who are sounding very defeatist, seeing little point to keeping up the fight.

This message from a Facebook fan of SAB, sent to me privately, was perhaps the most poignant:

I have decided to take a different direction with my life after this election that does not include social media. As I go forward, I am unhappy with the thought of the system that is slowly being put in place by our president, senate, and house of representatives. Since I cannot change the direction of the world as one person on facebook, it is has become time to worry about my family first and it is has also become time to prepare for the hard times I feel are on the horizon. The America I was born into was a country of hard workers. We now have a government content with borrowing 40 cents of every dollar spent to provide for people who, in my opinion, do not want to work—they just want. Unfortunately this is the America my children and I will have to live in.

I can understand the frustration, and the feelings of helplessness. But one election isn’t a good reason to give up on good ideas. If we know that bigger, more expansive, more expensive and more powerful government doesn’t work then we, as citizens in this republic, have the duty to oppose those policies. That is the price of living in a society with participatory government.

“Never give in,” said Winston Churchill during a speech in the midst of the Nazi bombardment of England. “Never, never, never, never — in nothing, great or small, large or petty — never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense.”

We are not at war with our friends on the left, and they are not our enemies. But we are in a battle of ideas, and we shouldn’t shrink from that battle because we some races on election day.

Change your mind? Find different values and priorities? Sure. We all change over time. But don’t stop engaging. Don’t stop talking to your friends and your family. How our nation – how our states and counties and townships and cities – are governed is of the utmost importance.

Participating in that isn’t a hobby. It isn’t a game you play on blogs and Facebook. It’s your civic duty. And the battle of ideas will go on, whether you participate or not.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • HG

    Excellent.

  • Harold

    Presiident for life Obama will make everyone rich and there will be no more rich people, only people who live in same type of homes and have same earned income. Thats the only fair method to redistribute the rich’s money they earned or stolen from the working class as Obama would say.

    • $8194357

      The devils illuminist false light of earthly Eden/utopia has blinded many Harold..

      • Harold

        Amen to that.

        • $8194357

          Bible says this stuff that is happening and how many blindley follow it will get stronger and gain global power before His return..Christ..

          • Neiman

            Look at my new post, wherein Barak is called an Apostle on the level of Jesus and Martin Luther King. Can you imagine even MLK being compared to Jesus? Can you imagine people seeing Barak as an Apostle and author of a new Gospel?

          • $8194357

            I will get over there later Nieman..
            Mr. Quin wants me to finish a macho pissing contest with him first..
            He has the vendetta mentality of a unionist/nazi thug…
            They win and still want thier damn pound of flesh..

    • chris

      You guys are stupid. America won’t be much different in 4 years than it is now, and then somebody else will be president. You crazies warn of the end of times with every democrat president. I remember the old Clinton days, when he was the antichrist incarnate.

  • RCND

    I saw that the aggregate vote difference of all battleground states was around 500,000. Greater lessons are learned from failure than success, as long as they are taken to heart. That vote total is more than doable to make up and expand on so long as conservatives can be humble enough to learn and grow as a movement

    • borborygmi

      As long as you learn from your mistakes. FIrst time your hit you head on a low beam is an accident, the second time stupidity. The conservatives are going for the 3rd or 4th time. Your last statement is the beginning of the learning curve. Well said.

      • sbark

        The only mistake the producers are making is to pay taxes…….which then in turn is used by the left to pay the mochers who then vote for the radical left ……..
        Go Galt and starve out the Beast using our own money against us………

        • JustRuss

          It would just be a Tax Cold War, Government would just print money to give to the moochers while at the same time making the money you won’t give them in taxes Inflate. Who can last longer, the producers or the government counterfeiters?

    • BadgerFan82

      What lessons will be learned, I wonder? When I read sites other than Fox News, I see what seem like reasonable suggestions about being less militant on social issues if you truly believe the economy is the most important thing, immigration reform, etc.

      When I look at Fox, I see opinion pieces about Romney being too moderate, and needing to go harder to the right next time.

      Getting a slightly bigger piece of an even smaller pie as demographics and alienation of more moderates take their toll ain’t gonna cut it. A truly more moderate approach, perhaps with legitimate compromise on economic issues, where both sides get something, could make them relevant again. Time will tell.

  • cylde

    For the first time in my life at 73, i am ashamed of my country and adding insult to injury the folks in North Dakota elected heidkamp.

    • borborygmi

      Thats too bad. I suppose other Conservatives also feel the Constitutional Election is something to be ashamed about. Take a couple of aspirins and listen to Rushbo in the morning . You will feel better.

      • The Fighting Czech

        I dont think he is ashamed of the election, I think hes ashamed of the citizens of this country, It sobering to realize that Reagan was right when he said Freedom is only one generation away from extinction.

        • chris

          Regan is right, but it won’t be this generation that freedom becomes extinct. On the contrary, today there is more freedom of speech, expression, of sales, the press, travel, etc than any time in history.

        • $8194357

          10X
          And they have been indoctrinating and softening up the
          target for three or four generations now….

  • spud

    Everything in politics goes in cycles. The republican party has to make some changes if for no other reason than since Berlin wall came down they have lost the vote of the people in 5 of last 6 presidential election’s. Just by fluke did they win the general election through electoral college and if Kerry had carried Ohio Bush would have not won re-election. Romney ran ok campaign at best but do not forget some of the stupid statements made by senate candidates involving rape and abortion. The reason they matter is they stole the media spotlight away from Governor Romney. Don’t fault the media for that fault the two states that nominated these moron’s. Let’s say 4 lost media days to the campaign. Hurricane Sandy call it 5 lost days. 9 lost days to a campaign is an eternity especially at end of it. This year white vote was 72% to 28% vs minority. Next election most likely 68-69-% vs minority. Also remember barring no national calamities of attack on us or economic meltdown the white vote will never get to 60+% in next election cycle as there will not be the same hatred against the Democratic candidate next time. So they better up that minority vote percent. Meaning immigration reform the republican way is now rendered null and dead forever.
    Democrats have kicked republicans butts in turnout and social media. The first time voter’s are breaking their way especially women because stupid crap coming out of mouths of advocates showing there true feelings on abortion. The abortion issue has been decided by the courts and now with his election Obama will get one maybe two to three appointments and that will put it to rest for good. Single young women are not going to follow the republicans over their bodies. But you could get them through economic issues go after there mindsbecause no one will change there views over personal choices they decide to make.

    Karl Rove blamed the dems today for lowering republican turnout. Really? Let people vote because in the end the courts will overrule laws limiting the vote. If republicans were tardy in there voting rights it was because of one reason they did not like there candidate or they are to the left of party views.

    • WOOF

      Had Ohio gone Republican Mitt would be in a Florida court fighting for his birthright. Florida is still counting votes.

      • BadgerFan82

        Had Ohio gone Republican, it still wouldn’t have mattered. 303-18 is still 15 more electors than needed for the victory.

        • WOOF

          You forgot 2000. Another day, Florida is still counting, the longer the count the more “accurate”?.

          • BadgerFan82

            Do you truly not understand the math here? 303 is without Florida. You can subtract Ohio’s 18 AND Virginia’s 13, and you still get 272. You still get an Obama victory. Those three vaunted states that the media narrative all set as Romney’s path did not matter in the final results.

            No, I didn’t forget 2000. I wasn’t comfortable that Obama won until Colorado and Nevada went his way.

          • willieB

            Your stupidity knows no bounds. Ask someone to do the math for you, you moron.

    • BadgerFan82

      spud,

      This is one of the most well reasoned political posts I’ve seen in a long time. The two other factors you don’t mention but which I feel played a significant part. The first is that Romney had to go way, way to the right in the primary in order to secure the nomination, which a) led to him making comments that moderates remembered come the election and b) made people question what he actually believed. Charges of flip-flopping cost Kerry, and they cost Romney.

      The other factor is that at the state level the Tea Party victors in 2010 overplayed their hands, especially in WI and OH. Speaking as an ND expat who has been in WI for awhile now, it wasn’t only what the Walker administration pushed through here, it was the way they did it showing a complete lack of respect for anybody that disagreed with them. Walker won in the recall election in no small part because a lot of voters felt that recalling him for non-criminal acts wasn’t appropriate. This is proven out by the fact that Obama won WI handily even with Ryan and Priebus hailing from here.

      I think it’s a legitimate concern that though the Republicans have kept control of all branches of the state government through some intense gerrymandering (spoils of a census year victory, so it goes), they will continue to push policies that will cost Republican presidential candidates WI for years to come.

      • Kim Murphy

        Badger & Spud. Your perspectives would be really valuable for the future of the Republican party and America. As a MN (Clay County – and a Cobber) expat since 1989, I’ve watched from a distance, the transformation of political discourse back home, from the state level, down to the small town churches that I grew up in. The negative influence of the radical right wing has been not only destructive on the national & state level, but down into small town life. The fissure with the hot button “Moral Majority” issues has split numerous congregations, where, in my youth & adulthood, those were private choices and people just got along and could joke with each other about their politics without the attitude that anyone who believed other than they, were evil & hated America – or fascist war loving racists. What happened? I contend that Hate Radio’s birth after the repealing of the equal time provision by the FCC has done more damage to communities and the country than we can imagine. Today, it’s the norm for the right wing followers to never stray from Fox News for TV information and the conservative talk radio. People hear only the voices that fall in line with their polished beliefs and can’t understand how anyone could believe differently than what they hear on their heavily screened sources. When you can’t see how someone else can believe other than what you have been hearing over and over from people who avoid giving any other perspective (unless setting up straw men to lampoon it), and the other side is told that they hate America because of their failure to follow the drum beaters, it leads to where we are today. What is the alternative? How can anyone compromise in order to find what works best for everyone?

        • BadgerFan82

          Honestly, that’s why I’m on this site. I don’t know. I leaned conservative and split my ticket in 2004, but have walked away from the GOP over the past 8 years, while at the same time they’ve walked away from me. In fact, all of my friends who were conservative at that time, hailing from places like Oklahoma, have also turned their back. At the same time, roughly 50% of the country came to a different conclusion than I did this year. I’m trying to figure out where our calculations are diverging. I figure most of us are taking the same set of facts in and weighing different issues differently in good faith. Even if I don’t sway anybody on big issues and they don’t sway me, maybe I can at least understand the other view point.

  • Mike Quinn

    Do alcoholics feel better when they have quit drinking? Any Republican who feels bad could simply decide to give up on the delusion of selfishness and follow the path of decent humans. How could any human be happy supporting tax cuts for the rich while so many ordinary Americans suffer. If you want to be happy simply quit the philosophy of selfishness and greed. You can wake up every day knowing you are not an agent of evil. That in and of itself will give you something to be happy about. You don’t have to be drunk on idiocy to be happy. Try reading real information, try walking away from the bar of lies served up everyday by Rob, Rush and Fox. Once you are in the fresh air of reality you will be happy. Who could be happy driving working people into the ground and spreading the fear an paranoia of the Republicans. Being stupid is a choice. You do not have to be taken in by lies and distortion, but if you want to keep putting the bottle of right wing toxic thinking to your head, you have no one but yourself to blame for being miserable.

    • $8194357

      The leftist fool tool for destruction speaks with
      forked tonque of his father in hell…..
      Truth is as it was in Jesus day considered “hate speech” by
      the lost, decieved and dieing….
      So it still is today as with God…
      All things remain the same not following “progressive communist lies”..

  • $8194357

    The “earthly minded” won’t understand this…
    But what the heck…

    http://godfatherpolitics.com/7963/2012-was-a-romans-1-election/

    To be honest, I don’t know of any Republican that could have won the election!
    Why? Because God gave us the leader we deserve as a nation for turning away from His ways for unnatural ways.
    I truly believe that the 2012 election was a Romans 1 election.
    Read what Scripture says in verses 18-31:

    “18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

    19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

    20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

    21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

    22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

    23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.”

    “24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

    25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.”

    26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

    27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

    28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

    29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,

    30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,

    31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

    32 Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”

    End quote:

    The devils Lenist useful idiot fool tools for western rule of Law destructions..

  • AV

    Rob, you still don’t get it. While businesses spend money to make money, govts spend money to solve problems. The reason spending goes up when the economy tanks is because there are more problems to solve; e.g., food-stamps and unemployment benefits.

    And once the economy recovers and employment increases, then this spending goes back down, and tax-revenue increases.

    At the time that Obama took office, Europe was enforcing austerity and Obama chose stimulus. Now, Europe has unemployment of 12%, as well as deficit problems.

    Keynesian policies clearly work better than right-wing idiocy.

    • Mike Quinn

      ”Rob, you still don’t get it”. Give up, Rob just had reality shoved up his rectum, it had no effect. Rob got up this morning and started another day of lies and distortion. Rob makes a living telling right wing lies. Until Rob decides to make an honest living, he will never “Get it”. Rob had reality thrust in his face, yet he is still pandering to the paranoid, the deluded, and the simple minded. If you ever think you can use words so Rob will get it give up. Money is rat cheese for Rob. Rob is paid to lie. Until someone steps up and pays Rob to tell the truth he will not do it. The man has no ethical underpinning. Rob is like Karl Rove. A rat that will work for whomever gives him the most cheese.

      • AV

        I think that Rob is a “true believer.” If he wasn’t, reality would have slapped some sense into him by now. Maybe he read Atlas Shrugged, or Harry Potter, as a child, and still believes in magic?

  • $8194357

    Paul Harvey 1965 radio essay..

    http://stg.do/9LDc

    http://kitmantv.blogspot.com/2009/07/history-of-political-correctness.html

    Quote:

    Good and thourough Documentary on the origin of political correctness. As it turns out it is a revision of the marxist concept of false consciousness and has very real similarities with policies made by the communists in the eastern bloc in order to silence dissent.
    The western variant originated in the “critical theory” of the Frankfurt School. Refusing to take any responsibility for their own beliefsystem and present their agenda in a direct and comprehensible manner,they found themselves content with igniting the conflicts within capitalist societies in order to weaken them. Promoting hedonism and making enemies of every thinkable grouping within the free world, they kept authorities comfortably busy on the homefront. Blacks and whites, husbands and wives, young and old, gay and straight etc. If gay-marriages were to become a majority preference one day, they would surely fight for the rights of the minority-group of individuals who want to marry their pets and criticise homosexuals for discriminating against people with a more polymorpheus sexuality than themselves.

    In essence many of the moronic professors now presiding over all the big social “studies” departments at american and european universities are the wounded victims of this aspect of the cold war. Getting a helping hand by the active measures of the soviet union because they had a weakened sense of truth, unable to resist the careful attack on academia, led by the cultural marxists, disappointed by the revolutionary potential of the western working class

    End quote

    A cultural cold war attack on American society..

  • $8194357

    Maybe just a tad bit of monkey buisness in of all places..OHIO..

    http://godfatherpolitics.com/7942/ohio-residents-told-they-already-voted-when-they-showed-up-at-the-polls-tuesday/

    Quote:

    Forest Park is a city of about 19,000 residents in the northern suburbs of Cincinnati, Ohio, in Hamilton County. In 2008, Hamilton County voted for Barack Obama while most of the surrounding counties in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana voted Republican.

    With so many eyes on Ohio in yesterday’s election, it was no surprise to see this news story on the local news.

    A couple from Forest Park showed up yesterday at the polls to vote just like they have ever since they turned 18. When it was their turn, they were both told that they had already voted via absentee ballot. The couple said that they have never voted absentee and wanted to know how this could happen.

    Precinct officials told them that they could fill out a provisional ballot, which they did.

    Before long, a number of other voters in the same precinct were told the same thing, that they had already voted via absentee ballots and that they also needed to fill out a provisional ballot. Eventually, voting officials said that the mistake was due to ‘human error’ and that anyone else in the same situation would likewise have to cast a provisional ballot. In Ohio, provisional ballots are not counted until 10 days after the election.

    I have to wonder what the human error was and how so many absentee ballots have been cast and who they voted for? With so many reports of possible voter fraud, especially in Ohio and early voting, I suspect that Democrats had gone through a voter registration roll and requested a number of absentee ballots, filled them in and submitted them for counting. I’ve been saying all along that Obama would win this election one way or another. If not legally, then illegally.

    Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/7942/ohio-residents-told-they-already-voted-when-they-showed-up-at-the-polls-tuesday/#ixzz2BgArMrtF

  • http://thepoliticalinformer.com/ John-Pierre Maeli

    Do I feel defeated. Heck yeah. Do I fear like yelling and cussing. Most likely. But this situation has a silver lining: more people will be FORCED to wake up. They can try to ignore as Obama’s second term kicks in, but they will feel it.

    Furthermore, I personally have decided to never feel embarrassed, scared, or unsure when the time comes to speak my mind and viewpoint. Forget “political correctness.” Forget being “offensive.” Who cares anymore? The American people knifed us in the back and I’m sure as heaven ain’t going to give up and shut my mouth.

    I’m going to speak my mind and share my opinions and beliefs whenever I can. Because I am sick and tired of druggies and bums receiving, but never giving.

    God bless The United States of America!!!!

    • JustRuss

      Before the votes were done being counted in other states (ignoring Florida) Obama was ready to sign on to an international gun regulation. He didn’t have the political capitol to spend on fighting the second amendment in his first term, thank Barack that he has been given 4 more years to finish what he started! All hail Obama!

    • Roy_Bean

      History repeats it’s self. Never give in, never give up. Many people who post on here are too young to remember the elections of 1972. Nixon won every state but Massachusettes. The democrats were defeated, their candidate even lost his home of South Dakota. However in doing so he broke laws, covered it up, and lied to the American people. By 1974 we had both the president and vice president resign because the democrats didn’t throw in the towel and give up.

      We need to push for the truth in Bengahzi, we need to ask about the drone that was attacked by Iran on November 1st, we need to tell Hillary that saying nice things about the ambassador that she got killed doesn’t make it right. We need to show Obama all the respect that was shown Richard Nixon after the ’72 election. We have a system of laws and we need to use it.

      • http://thepoliticalinformer.com/ John-Pierre Maeli

        Amen to that!!!!

      • chris

        The Benghazi nontraversy is the last string that you have holding on to. Obama had already admitted that he was responsible, and the country apparently forgave him for that. Nobody believes this fabricated notion of a sadistic Obama who gets horny over seeing his own people getting killed. Your credibility has gone out the window long ago.

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          There are three separate scandals associated with Benghazi, and Obama’s fingerprints are all over at least two of them, your nonthinking, notwithstanding. No gutsy calls from the Poseur-in-Chief.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kim.watson.3914 Kim Watson

    Some of us have been fighting this same battle for over twenty years, and we’ve been dragged further and further out to sea, all the while being derided as fringe kooks and blamed for losses that could have been wins if they had been more open to those “fringe ideas.” Liek, you know, freedom and liberty and stuff.

    It’s not giving up, for many. It really is seeing good sense, and reserving our energy for things that matter and can be won.

  • sbark

    quote…… But one election isn’t a good reason to give up on good ideas……….
    Oh you mean like the sanctity of marriage? or do you mean secure borders–no nation has survived long with porous borders……….or do you mean simple rule of Law?……..or maybe sex with no thought or consequenses?……..or maybe any of the Bill of rights or ten commandments?………………..are any of those “good ideas”?
    ………but I suppose as the Dem’cats exhibit and think, none of those are long term “good ideas” that have contributed to what this nation used to be, or to humanity as a whole for centuries huh?………..
    ….but of course Christians are just killing the GOP are they not……… show me one instance where they have did anything but just react to advancement of gay agenda, just react to exponential leftist push for abortion………they have never been pro-active ahead of a assult on humanity from the left…..its always a late reaction.

    • JustRuss

      Sex is a RIGHT! So give me my women to plunder as I see fit, you can pay for my condoms but it doesn’t matter if they get pregnant because they can just abort. I shouldn’t have to WORK on my image or body or personality just to get sex! Women can have sex any night of the week with as many partners as they want, even if they are overweight and ugly. I want Gender Equality!

  • $8194357

    OBO’TS celibrate Barrys win and Israels death…

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/video-obama-supporters-celebrate-no-more-israel-kill-those-motherfers.html

    VIDEO: Obama supporters celebrate: No more Israel; kill those motherf***ers

    Four more years!More of what we have come to expect from the hater and his uneducated followers. Clearly, their history classes skipped over the San Remo conference (where England, France, Italy, and Japan, with the United States as an observer, divided the Ottoman Empire into three mandates: Iraq, Syria and Israel [Palestine]), the Balfour Agreement and the White Paper. Not to mention the bloody wars fought and won defending the Jewish state against relentless Muslim armies, or the 5,773 years of Jewish history in their homeland. What’s sadder? These thugs and goons, or Obama’s encouragement of this dangerous imbecility?

    VIDEO Obama supporters celebrate: No more Israel; kill those motherf***ers Rebelpundit
    Obama supporters out celebrating his win on election night gathered on State Street Tuesday evening. I asked one man why he was celebrating Obama, and what that meant to him. He said, “It really means to me, no more Israel…Mitt Romney would go to war with Iran…Obama said f*** that shit. Kill those mother f***ers.”
    Another said, “Palestine was there first, and Israel moved in in the 1940s and that’s an unfair attack.” A man of Jewish heritage accompanying him said, “I really do not think that us being with Israel is a good choice for us”:

  • $8194357

    Barry backers celibrate Barrys win and Israels death..

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/video-obama-supporters-celebrate-no-more-israel-kill-those-motherfers.html

    VIDEO: Obama supporters celebrate: No more Israel; kill those motherf***ers

    Four more years!
    More of what we have come to expect from the hater and his uneducated followers. Clearly, their history classes skipped over the San Remo conference (where England, France, Italy, and Japan, with the United States as an observer, divided the Ottoman Empire into three mandates: Iraq, Syria and Israel [Palestine]), the Balfour Agreement and the White Paper. Not to mention the bloody wars fought and won defending the Jewish state against relentless Muslim armies, or the 5,773 years of Jewish history in their homeland. What’s sadder? These thugs and goons, or Obama’s encouragement of this dangerous imbecility?

    Obama supporters out celebrating his win on election night gathered on State Street Tuesday evening. I asked one man why he was celebrating Obama, and what that meant to him. He said, “It really means to me, no more Israel…Mitt Romney would go to war with Iran…Obama said f*** that shit. Kill those mother f***ers.”

    Another said, “Palestine was there first, and Israel moved in in the 1940s and that’s an unfair attack.” A man of Jewish heritage accompanying him said, “I really do not think that us being with Israel is a good choice for us”:

  • Geoff

    It’s all cyclical. When our government, not just Obama and dems, break the backs of americans can we begin to heal. This may take 50 years, but it will correct itself. Sadly, probably not in our lifetime. If u want to look on the bright side, I’ll throw u a nugget. I recently moved to Minnesota, I’m now dealing with a majority dem house, senate, and a governor who was tagged as one of the worst senators of all time. So you living in nd, at least you can laugh at us to the east.

  • Guest

    Mitt Romney would have won the election if he did not need to pander to the radical, reactionary, no compromise, wingnut faction of his political party in the primary.

  • chris

    I have a good idea for you. Why don’t the republicans stop stonewalling
    everything so things can move forward? We have a fiscal cliff to deal
    with, so quit having temper tantrums and help save the country.

    • Onslaught1066

      Why?

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      The Bamboozler-in-Chief strikes again! You liberals are so full of it. Obama says “do everything my way, I refuse to compromise, but you Republicans are ‘obstructionists’. ”

      Why doesn’t Obama stop his “tantrums” and realize it’s a bad idea to raise taxes in a recession, as he himself admitted a couple years ago? And the “tax cuts” he keeps bleating about aren’t cuts at all, but simply keeping the rate where it’s been for the last 12 years. Obama is simply dishonest.

      “We have a fiscal cliff to deal with” Yes. That’s why Harry Reid has been stonewalling every House budget that’s come into the Senate and refused to bring any of them to a vote? I have a good idea for you. Have the Senate actually pass a budget, as they are required by law, which they haven’t done since 2009.

      When Stonewall Harry Reid was asked about the fiscal cliff about a month ago, he wasn’t worried. There’s “plenty of time” between election day and the first of the year, he told us. Except for that whole pesky Thanksgiving and Christmas holiday things.

      Obama and Reid haven’t been serious about the financial crisis for years. It is the height of hypocrisy for fiscally irresponsible liberals and Democrats (but I repeat myself) to bring about a fiscal crisis through massive spending sprees, on a credit card, as the Dems like to say, and then cry that the Republicans won’t let them sell the family jewels to make minimum payments.

  • Waski_the_Squirrel

    For my part, since I’ve been old enough to vote, I have yet to vote for a presidential candidate that excites me. Every vote so far has been, “He’s better than the alternative.” Even though I voted against him, Clinton and a Republican congress did more for the economy than anyone I’ve seen.

    I’ve voted for a few at the state and local level that excited me, but I wish we could turn out a candidate who says what he believes and stands for it rather than live in fear of offending one voter group or another.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    November 9, 2012

    The Mass Firings Begin

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/the_mass_firings_begin.html

    Here’s a collection of today’s headlines. Please say a prayer for the families who will be suffering. Had Romney won, many of these companies would now be hiring.

    Teco Coal officials announce layoffs

    Momentive Inc plans temporary layoffs for 150

    Wilkes-Barre officials to announce mandatory layoffs

    600 layoffs at Groupon

    More layoffs announced at Aniston Weapons Incinerator

    Murray Energy confirms 150 layoffs at 3 subsidiaries

    130 laid off in Minnesota dairy plant closure

    Stanford brake plant to lay off 75

    Turbocare, Oce to lay off more than 220 workers

    ATI plans to lay off 172 workers in North Richland Hills

    SpaceX claims its first victims as Rocketdyne lays off 100

    Providence Journal lays off 23 full-time employees

    CVPH lays off 17

    New Energy lays off 40 employees

    102 Utah miners laid off because of ‘war on coal’, company says

    US Cellular drops Chicago, cuts 640 jobs

    Career Education to cut 900 jobs, close 23 campuses

    Vestas to cut 3,000 more jobs

    First Energy to cut 400 jobs by 2016

    Mine owner blames Obama for layoffs (54 fired last night)

    Canceled program costs 115 jobs at Ohio air base

    AMD trims Austin workforce – 400 jobs slashed

    100 workers lose jobs as Caterpillar closes plant in Minnesota

    Exide to lay off 150 workers

    TE Connectivity to close Guilford plant, lay off 620

    More Layoffs for Major Wind Company (3,000 jobs cut)

    Cigna to lay off 1,300 workers worldwide

    Ameridose to lay off hundreds of workers

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/the_mass_firings_begin.html#ixzz2Bmq4T2M4

  • $8194357

    Even tho some counties had more votes cast then residents..

    Its officile…

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/11/breaking-florida-showing-massive-voter-fraud/

    Many elections may not quite be settled just yet and this may open an
    entire can of worms across the country.

    WatchdogWire reports,

    Only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. The unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county.

    When asked about the 141% Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker stated, “They may have had something like that in Palm Beach County, but we’ve never seen that here.”

    Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012

  • Rick Olson

    http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=5coythjab&v=001UIzoyTILna3jZbDaGg5OtRwcAvDHiF0DQ2Z1qfVpTeS_cscw79x5Or7Xf25b2nNMeVxgNmw3eoSgvYgT_2rn66wOE4UwbQcXyT0VSnT7xsAQbm3BOc3JhBXdL5NvIp5yXNyaT3g4jfGnMd2v4q3s1N9OcyCba4BWn2AbfBM9ULNuXR4IKqOqDiVtLgLyNr2HtJuRxhXwaE9tExWPgKLI2Q%3D%3D

    The American people have decided that Barack Obama should have a second term. And, behind them, in the mystery of providence, God has decided that Barack Obama would be re-elected. So how should Christians respond to our once and future president?

    We are going to disagree with the president on some (important) things; there will be other areas where we can work with the president. But whether in agreement or disagreement, we can honor. Honor doesn’t mean blanket endorsement.

    I am always amazed by those Christians who will dispute the command to honor, arguing that “kings” in our system are the people, and therefore we’re called to honor the Constitution but not elected officials. But the Scripture doesn’t command honor simply for the ultimate authority (which is, of course, ultimately God, in any case). Humanly speaking, the ultimate political authority in the New Testament context was the emperor. And yet, the Apostle Peter specifically calls the people of Christ not only to show submission to the emperor “as supreme” but also to “governors” (1 Pet. 2:13-14). The Apostle Paul calls on the churches to pray and to show thanksgiving for “kings” (plural) and for “all who are in high positions” (1 Tim. 2:1-2).

    Paul imitated this when he showed due respect to the governor Felix, referring to him with the honorific title “his Excellency, the governor” (Acts 23:26) and “most excellent Felix” (Acts 24:2), even as he appealed his way up through the political process of the Roman Empire of his time. Paul showed thanksgiving for Felix, despite his part in a system with which Paul disagreed at some important points, for his “reforms” for the common good (24:3).

    Behind that is a more general command to “honor everyone” (1 Pet. 2:17), to pray for “all people” (1 Tim. 2:1). We are to not only pay our taxes but give “respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed” (Rom. 13:7).

    Christians, above all people, should pray for and show respect for our president and all of our elected officials. After all, unlike those who see politics as ultimate, we recognize that our political structures are important, but temporal, before an in breaking kingdom of Christ. We don’t then need to be fomented into the kind of faux outrage that passes for much of contemporary political discourse. And, unlike those who see history as impersonal or capricious, we see behind everything a God who is sovereign over his universe.

    So let’s pray for President Obama. Let’s not give ourselves to terms of disrespect, or every crazy conspiracy theory that floats across the Internet.

    That doesn’t mean slavish obedience. In a democratic republic, the president and the Congress govern by the consent of the governed. We appeal to our elected officials, and lobby them for the common good, expressing disagreement when we must. But we do this, as Paul does before Felix and Agrippa, with respect and honor, even as he seeks to persuade them of the need for religious liberty and as he preaches “righteousness and self-control and the coming judgment” (Acts 24:25).

    However we voted in the election, let’s pray for God to bless our president. We can pray for him to be granted wisdom and health. We can pray that God would prosper his good ideas, and change his mind on his bad ideas. Moreover, we can teach our children to respect our president, starting with referring to him as “President Obama” or “our president,” not as “Obama” or “the guy our parents voted against” or what have you.

    There’s a time to vote. There’s a time to campaign. And there’s a time to petition. But, through it all, let’s be the people who, even as we speak with conviction, are marked by kindness and respect. When we have to differ with President Obama, let’s do that, with backbone. But let’s make sure we do all this with honor, with respect, with prayer, and, most of all, with love.

    Let’s render unto Caesar, as free people with natural rights. Because we know as believers that we will eternally say “Jesus is Lord,” we can as citizens temporally say, “Hail to the chief.”

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