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Friday, December 02, 2005

On Propaganda

Steve Green on the propaganda controversy I posted about yesterday:

If a nuke were to go off in New York or Los Angeles or even Des Moines tomorrow, do you doubt that even President Kerry (cough, cough) would hesitate before retaliating in kind? Oh, but that would be retaliation, wouldn't it? And would it not therefore be a fair response? And what about propaganda? It's not as if the enemy doesn't use it – so why should our government be so restrained? Especially when our stuff is pretty damn innocent?


Jeff Goldstein has more:

Taking this parallel one step further, let me add that our use of propaganda seems to me to fit this paradigm perfectly, insofar as we have used it to beat back the anti-American rhetoric coming not only from the Arab world, but from the western press as well.

Or to put it more bluntly, this campaign was designed to retaliate not only against enemy propaganda in Iraq and other parts of the middle east, but ironically (and sadly) against our very own media, whose coverage has been almost uniformly sensationalistic and dire.


Read both posts.

I think one thing a lot of people are overlooking is the fact that the Department of Defense is claiming that all of the information in the reports is true, and I haven't seen one shred of evidence from any source to suggest that they're not. Were the reports balanced in that the reported the "bad news" with the "good news?" Probably not, but then one gets the idea that there is already more than enough reporting of the "bad news" in Iraq.

Giving giving facts about the progress being made in Iraq a little attention would seem like a good thing for Iraq and our mission.

I stand by the point I made in my first post on this: The media's problem with this reporting is that its too positive about a war they hate.

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Why the secrecy? That’s my problem.

Pardon me if I haven’t been paying sufficient attention to this, but is it secrecy so much as simply not shouting, “hey, we’re in the propaganda game, too” from the top of various liberated Iraqi palaces?

Frankly, I’m rather heartened by this news; I haven’t enjoyed thinking that we’ve been so colossally stupid as to not put our own propaganda out there.

dilettante on December 2, 2005 at 08:12 am
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I think one thing a lot of people are overlooking is the fact that the Department of Defense is claiming that all of the information in the reports is true, and I haven’t seen one shred of evidence from any source to suggest that they’re not.

Why the secrecy? That’s my problem.
Dave on December 2, 2005 at 08:13 am
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[...] While the leftist media creates a storm over reports that American forces in Iraq have paid to run factually-accurate reporting in Iraqi newspapers we’ve got Chuck Schumer at home pulling crap like this. [...]

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Yep, that’s why we need to shout the truth back, at every opportunity.

Seth Williams on December 2, 2005 at 08:13 am
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Dave, were you born that obtuse or is it something you had to work at?

Regards…

LoadTheMule on December 2, 2005 at 09:13 am
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Thank you, Seth.

Explain or cease.

Satisfied?

Regards…

LoadTheMule on December 2, 2005 at 10:12 am
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I’ll explain it Dave. Propaganda, in order to be truly effective should not be advertised as “Your daily dose of propaganda!” People tend to trust it a little less, that’s why the secrecy. Surely you’re smart enough to know this, or are you obtuse?

Seth Williams on December 2, 2005 at 10:12 am
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Load the Mule wrote:

Dave, were you born that obtuse or is it something you had to work at?

Explain or cease.
Dave on December 2, 2005 at 10:12 am
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Seth wrote:

I’ll explain it Dave. Propaganda, in order to be truly effective should not be advertised as “Your daily dose of propaganda!” People tend to trust it a little less, that’s why the secrecy.

Thanks Seth.

Dave on December 2, 2005 at 11:13 am
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You’re welcome, Dave. I don’t doubt that LTM would have answered it just as capably--it just so happens I have lots of free time right now, so I thought I’d jump in. This is a place where pretty much anyone can pretty much say anything.

Seth Williams on December 2, 2005 at 11:13 am
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Department Of Defense, the people who brought you the
Saving of Pvt. Jessica Lynch
and
The Heroic Death of Pat Tillman
are now paying to print the truth and nothing but truth. What’s the a punch line to that joke?

WOOF on December 2, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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When you’re not sure what the punchline to the joke is, look in the mirror.

Regards…

LoadTheMule on December 2, 2005 at 09:13 pm
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Bush concerned over Iraq propaganda--BBC

“We’re very concerned about the reports,” Mr McClellan said on Thursday.

Dave on December 3, 2005 at 10:13 am
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Which means that they’re reserving judgment until they get the full scoop.

What’s your point?


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