I’ve never understood what the phrase “Support Our Troops” means. I don’t know anybody who doesn’t support our troops. Why can’t we all declare this one point of agreement and look for other points on which we can agree?

Ah, rob’s effeminate sock puppet,

I don’t hate. I was just reminding your fundimentalist sock puppet that tea bagging isn’t just a homosexual activity.

Bangladesh is a socialist country, moron!
You keep humiliating yourself by demonstrating your total ignorance of everything.

That’s why I don’t get it when people talk about the Ancient Games as being peaceful. A truce doesn’t mean peace. War is mostly about will and power. The Games were just war without Armies. That’s why they had the Armor Run. They wanted people to know that the truce was over and war was just over the hill.

The problem with your point is that almost all nations have military members competing in every Olympics. Remember that the 1980 USA hockey team beat the USSR Red Army hockey team.

Actually many competitions are “war simulation events” at the Olympics. Biathlon, marathon, javelin, bow, rifle, et.al.

I understand he’s saying crazy stuff but its still the only thing he does consistently. Plus, I’ve asked and others have asked him if he really means these things and he always says yes. I believe him.

Neiman, mi amigo, what part of “they should petition the IOC because it’s right” didn’t you understand? Get out of your right-wing hate filled mindset.

As an American athlete at the Olympic Games, competing on the US ice hockey team, expressing support for our troops is obviously patriotic, and not “political”. Of course, for some people, everything is political, but that is a point of view, not a definition.
It’s not a message “calling” for anything; it’s an expression of personal patriotism.

Perhaps we should reinstate the Armor Run.

Olympics as envisioned by the Ancient Greeks was/is a peaceful activity.

You’re kidding right? The games themselves were peaceful but it was customary to negotiate military alliances at the games. Where else could you get that many potential allies together

The Hundred Years Treaty was announced at Olympia. Thucydides writes about this 100-year treaty involving the Athenians, Argives, Mantineans, and Eleans.

Without looking it up, do you know what the first Olympic event was?

The games were peaceful, however the Olympics were often much like the Olympics during the Cold War. Competition as a proxy for war. A way to show of your military prowess and troll for alliances for after the games. The games themselves were bloody with death not an uncommon occurrence. Not through any malice, just that the games were dangerous.

To call people involved within the Tea Party movement as being “tea bag types,” a disgusting homosexual pejorative label is beneath contempt. If you hate the tea party movement, say tea party, if you say tea bag without proof that they are ALL or even many of them are homosexuals that tea bag each other, you are engaging in lies.

Glod point, what is wrong with these liberals?

We were having a good debate till you showed up. I was having a nice discussion with E. I’ve learn a lot from him. You should try it sometime.

Trying to shock everyone with your edgy commentary again. Predictable and boring.

You’re confirming my point. In all the rants on this topic not a single person claimed to not support the troops. You’re pointing at other people and saying they don’t support the troops. That’s your opinion, and just because you think it doesn’t make it true.

I don’t buy it, why all of the national flags then, it’s all about nationalism and our troops are part of the nation.

OUR troops. It’s a message calling for the world (the people who watch the Olympics) to support American troops

He is an American on an American team when he uses the royal “our” its understood by most people that he is talking about America. Its no different than if he said we are going to go support our ladies’ hockey team. Feel free to disagree.(not sarcasm)

Is patriotism “political”? I think you right wingers know the answer.

That said, they should petition the IOC because it’s right, not to appease you. If they don’t you’ll say they’re unpatriotic (yer a joke). If they win, you”ll say they wasted time. If they lose, you”ll say they did it wrong. It’s a win-win-win for the destructionists like you, isn’t it, Rob.

Same old insults and petty innuendo about my kids? That’s lame, even for you Dino.

Then leave. By staying you are just are part of the evil. Good luck, drop us a line and let us know how that’s working out for you.

They are all better than Greece?

Impossible, the national dick of Greece is in CA.

Not kidding at all.

The Olympic truce

A truce (in Greek, ekecheiria, which literally means “holding of hands”) was announced before and during each of the Olympic festivals, to allow visitors to travel safely to Olympia. An inscription describing the truce was written on a bronze discus which was displayed at Olympia. During the truce, wars were suspended, armies were prohibited from entering Elis or threatening the Games, and legal disputes and the carrying out of death penalties were forbidden.

The Olympic truce

Translation: DINO and E have had fabulous make up sex and settled back into wedded bliss.

Now back to the topic at hand, the Olympics, was DINO your coach while you trained for the 12 year old pole smoke, or were you a natural?

Oh! You are so sweet!
That’s why I like you.

No they don’t. I spite of Dino’s rhetoric to the contrary, his only objects to some of the reasons they are used by our country.
Hairy Polemic has not said anything about hating the troops.
His objections to the subject at hand were well thought and articulated.
Because you don’t agree with him, you are trying to discredit him with less than honorable babbling.

You are the only one in my life sweet pea!

You got it!

Because cons like you are easy targets.
Now lay down the meat cigar you are sucking on.
It adversely affects your judgment.

Foolishness aside, have you ever been to another country?
Not a third word country mind you!

“This country’s actions are evil.”

Compared to who? Name a better country.

I’m not the one swinging into the bizarre to justify my previous comments.

So people buy into their crap. Good for them. Perhaps they, to steal a leftist phrase, weren’t there that day that they spouted all that 9/11 stuff. Perhaps they never heard that pap about Haiti. Or maybe they did, and they believe every word of it. Either way, it’s not terribly relevant to the discussion at hand, because I don’t like Falwell and/or Robertson. And I’m not defending them.

Nor is it hypocracy to be consistant in disliking those who push this tripe across the board. Left, right, center, outer space…if you think that 3000 innocent people who had nothing to do with anything deserved to be killed in a terrorist attack, you’re filth. It doesn’t matter if you’re a nobody like Dino, or a guy with a national TV show.

It’s starting to look like you post inanities so much because when you try to debate the issue, like you’re…sort of…doing here, you post drivel and nonsense and moral equivalency that isn’t even moral equivalency because it doesn’t even take two situations that can be compared. The more you debate this, the more ridiculous and incomprehensible your arguments become. How does me not having a national stage make me a hypocrite, and more importantly, what does that have to do with you defending a dude who compared our troops to Nazis?

Since I have no doubt that your next response will be even more bizarre and irrelevant, I’ll just spare myself the time and post a response here:

The price of milk in Nigeria went up 5 cents a gallon yesterday and is expected to go up 3 more cents by Monday.

I think I should see other people.

Don’t have such thoughts. Not good for you.

“You can’t compare this cesspool land mass to a real country.”

It’s easy for you to criticize this “cesspool land mass” but you have never named one country that is better. Not one. Can’t you back up what you say?

“The Nazi troops didn’t have a choice either.”

Actually yeah they did. There’s not one recorded incident of reprisals against SS members for refusing to commit atrocity.

“No excuses for this country’s murderous ways. I’ll never believe otherwise.”

Murderous? As compared to who? As per “The Black Book of Communism” and R.J. Rummel

Death by government
The Soviet Union – 61,911,000
Communist China – 35,236,000
Nazi Germany – 20,946,000
Imperial Japan – 5,964,000
Khmer Rouge – 2,035,000
Turkey – 1,883,000
Vietnam – 1,670,000
Poland – 1,585,000

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

No they don’t Ellinas. They generally believe that the Us is a great country and only object to a few things. If you look beyond the hyperbole, you’ll see that they both love the sinners they condemned.

See how that works?

For the sarcasm impared, I am not defending Robertson or Falwell for those assinine statements.

Ugh, Bangladesh.

Never been to a worse country. If it ain’t socialist, the food sure tastes like it is.

Yes I played frisbee at a nude beach. Butt naked.
It’s a European thing.
Don’t have American style hang ups there, although I must admit when Americans hit the European shores they get “liberated.”

That’s it, never go to bed mad at your mate.

Your point in a nutshell is that you’re defending filth, because filth exists on both sides?

Moral equivocation is part and parcel of leftist thinking because in their immature and childish view of the world, those who once oppressed them as children only did so because they had the power to and not because of any justifications and rationales. They have the most simplistic view of power relationships and cannot comprehend that they need to be able to back up their assertions with moral and ethical reasons.

Heck, they don’t even believe in morals or ethics. To them, such things are constructs perpetrated to empower some and disempower others. Even as they do, they themselves attempt to construct their own ethical and moral systems, but bereft of the proper understanding of the foundations of them, they can’t construct anything that doesn’t eat itself logically and fall apart immediately into their idea of why the world works the way it does: “do what I say and shut up”.

Now then, does that sound like the sort of maturation and development in people we want in charge of anything? If you owned a business, you know that making someone like that a manager is just inviting the destruction of employee morale by empowering a dictatorial martinet in the making. In the military, it’s setting up a ‘frag the lieutenant’ incident waiting to happen.

So why do we keep letting these people into government?

I’m just not ready to be burdened by a barnacle like you.

Barnacle? I’m no barnacle.
I am like a giant squid, having my tentacles around my sperm whale.

Titanic battle. I won’t let go, and you cannot escape.

Sock puppets argue with each other? God you’re an imbecile.

Of course you hate. Calling people tea baggers who disagree with you is childish, stupid, and hateful.

Go back to being stupid in silence halfwit.

“Foolishness aside, have you ever been to another country?
Not a third word country mind you!”

Yes, the United Kingdom, Germany, Japan, Hong Kong (when it was still under the UK), Canada (although it should be said I haven’t met anyone from ND who hasn’t been to canada).

They do in a volunteer military.

The Nazi troops didn’t have a choice either.

No excuses for this country’s murderous ways. I’ll never believe otherwise.

The whole point of the Olympics is to limit patriotic support to the games and the athletes who play them. So until we have a war simulation event, supporting ANY nation’s troops at the Games is political and does not belong at the Games.

Trying to have fun. Can’t be angry at people.
I love human beings, flaws and all.

Thanks for your compliment.

About the only thing you subhuman savages take pride in the government doing is financing the murder of people in other places.

That’s why we deserved 9/11.

Not without you darling.

Not used to spicy foods, are you Ken?

Why do you hate Ghandi?

And Falwell and Robertson are garbage. So in Dino.

Your point in a nutshell is that you’re defending filth, because filth exists on both sides? Congrats. You’re a douchebag.

Shouldn’t you be in bed dreaming of a no-tax Utopia? Or will you be having that recurring nightmare about the dismal future you voted for your kids?

Rob-

I’m sorry but I can’t agree with you here. “Support OUR troops” is as political as it gets. Support whose troops? OUR troops. It’s a message calling for the world (the people who watch the Olympics) to support American troops — how is that not political?

Cut it out Dino.
Soldiers do not have a choice.
However that sticker does not belong in the Olympics.

Oops! pushed the like button by mistake.

You say that Falwell and Robertson are trash, huh?
That my hypocrite friend,is like pretending you did something worthwhile.
You haven’t even scratched the surface yet, for these “trash” have a myriad of followers and a pulpit that SAB can’t deliver.
Not to mention they frequently whisper sweet nothings into the ear of republican politicians.

By the way. I refuse to call you a douchebag.
Recently though, your comments sound like those of the CEO of the Twist-O-Flex corporation.

Those are spectators, not athletes.
Get a life.

What? And miss seeing this cesspool collapse from the inside? No way.

A lovers quarrel? How cute.

OK!

LOL

You’ve got big balls, my friend.

For a squirrel.

How does me not having a national stage make me a hypocrite, and more importantly, what does that have to do with you defending a dude who compared our troops to Nazis?

You either intentionally ignored my point, or it flew over your head.
I was referring to Dino.

Where do you see a slapfight you thrice anally copulated conb*tch?
My God you are stupid!

What does that have to do with ANYTHING?

It has everything to do with ANYTHING!
The price of fish in Tibet, is directly affected but what China, America, Russia and a host of other countries do, and what their citizens believe.
If you mocked me with the Pat Robertson thing it went over my head, since I missed it.

If Dino believes what you think he believes (and he has every right to believe it) he has his reasons just like Pat Robertson his sidekick Jimmy Falwell and their myriad of followers do.
(I don’t for a minute believe that they both,Pat Robertson his sidekick Jimmy Falwell, love the sinners they condemned).

Rob-

“The well being of our soldiers isn’t political.”

Our soldiers are the physical manifestation of our political corpus. They represent the physical arm of our national “polis” (Greek for “state”).

So yes. Supporting them is, by definition, POLI-tical. (It just is.)

……..when Lacedaemon had recovered her men there would be nothing for his enemies to take hold of (whereas, while war lasted, the highest station must always bear the scandal of everything that went wrong), made him ardently desire a settlement. Accordingly this winter was employed in conferences; and as spring rapidly approached, the Lacedaemonians sent round orders to the cities to prepare for a fortified occupation of Attica, and held this as a sword over the heads of the Athenians to induce them to listen to their overtures; and at last, after many claims had been urged on either side at the conferences a peace was agreed on upon the following basis. Each party was to restore its conquests, but Athens was to keep Nisaea; her demand for Plataea being met by the Thebans asserting that they had acquired the place not by force or treachery, but by the voluntary adhesion upon agreement of its citizens; and the same, according to the Athenian account, being the history of her acquisition of Nisaea. This arranged, the Lacedaemonians summoned their allies, and all voting for peace except the Boeotians, Corinthians, Eleans, and Megarians, who did not approve of these proceedings, they concluded the treaty and made peace, each of the contracting parties swearing to the following articles:

The Athenians and Lacedaemonians and their allies made a treaty, and swore to it, city by city, as follows;

1. Touching the national temples, there shall be a free passage by land and by sea to all who wish it, to sacrifice, travel, consult, and attend the oracle or games, according to the customs of their countries.

2. The temple and shrine of Apollo at Delphi and the Delphians shall be governed by their own laws, taxed by their own state, and judged by their own judges, the land and the people, according to the custom of their country.

3. The treaty shall be binding for fifty years upon the Athenians and the allies of the Athenians, and upon the Lacedaemonians and the allies of the Lacedaemonians, without fraud or hurt by land or by sea.

4. It shall not be lawful to take up arms, with intent to do hurt, either for the Lacedaemonians and their allies against the Athenians and their allies, or for the Athenians and their allies against the Lacedaemonians and their allies, in any way or means whatsoever. But should any difference arise between them they are to have recourse to law and oaths, according as may be agreed between the parties.

5. The Lacedaemonians and their allies shall give back Amphipolis to the Athenians. Nevertheless, in the case of cities given up by the Lacedaemonians to the Athenians, the inhabitants shall be allowed to go where they please and to take their property with them: and the cities shall be independent, paying only the tribute of Aristides. And it shall not be lawful for the Athenians or their allies to carry on war against them after the treaty has been concluded, so long as the tribute is paid. The cities referred to are Argilus, Stagirus, Acanthus, Scolus, Olynthus, and Spartolus. These cities shall be neutral, allies neither of the Lacedaemonians nor of the Athenians: but if the cities consent, it shall be lawful for the Athenians to make them their allies, provided always that the cities wish it. The Mecybernaeans, Sanaeans, and Singaeans shall inhabit their own cities, as also the Olynthians and Acanthians: but the Lacedaemonians and their allies shall give back Panactum to the Athenians.

6. The Athenians shall give back Coryphasium, Cythera, Methana, Pteleum, and Atalanta to the Lacedaemonians, and also all Lacedaemonians that are in the prison at Athens or elsewhere in the Athenian dominions, and shall let go the Peloponnesians besieged in Scione, and all others in Scione that are allies of the Lacedaemonians, and all whom Brasidas sent in there, and any others of the allies of the Lacedaemonians that may be in the prison at Athens or elsewhere in the Athenian dominions.

7. The Lacedaemonians and their allies shall in like manner give back any of the Athenians or their allies that they may have in their hands.

8. In the case of Scione, Torone, and Sermylium, and any other cities that the Athenians may have, the Athenians may adopt such measures as they please.

9. The Athenians shall take an oath to the Lacedaemonians and their allies, city by city. Every man shall swear by the most binding oath of his country, seventeen from each city. The oath shall be as follows; “I will abide by this agreement and treaty honestly and without deceit.” In the same way an oath shall be taken by the Lacedaemonians and their allies to the Athenians: and the oath shall be renewed annually by both parties. Pillars shall be erected at Olympia, Pythia, the Isthmus, at Athens in the Acropolis, and at Lacedaemon in the temple at Amyclae.

10. If anything be forgotten, whatever it be, and on whatever point, it shall be consistent with their oath for both parties, the Athenians and Lacedaemonians, to alter it, according to their discretion.

The treaty begins from the ephoralty of Pleistolas in Lacedaemon, on the 27th day of the month of Artemisium, and from the archonship, of Alcaeus at Athens, on the 25th day of the month of Elaphebolion. Those who took the oath and poured the libations for the Lacedaemonians were Pleistoanax, Agis, Pleistolas, Damagetis, Chionis, Metagenes, Acanthus, Daithus, Ischagoras, Philocharidas, Zeuxidas, Antippus, Tellis, Alcinadas, Empedias, Menas, and Laphilus: for the Athenians, Lampon, Isthmonicus, Nicias, Laches, Euthydemus, Procles, Pythodorus, Hagnon, Myrtilus, Thrasycles, Theagenes, Aristocrates, Iolcius, Timocrates, Leon, Lamachus, and Demosthenes.

This treaty was made in the spring, just at the end of winter, directly after the city festival of Dionysus, just ten years, with the difference of a few days, from the first invasion of Attica and the commencement of this war. This must be calculated by the seasons rather than by trusting to the enumeration of the names of the several magistrates or offices of honour that are used to mark past events. Accuracy is impossible where an event may have occurred in the beginning, or middle, or at any period in their tenure of office. But by computing by summers and winters, the method adopted in this history, it will be found that, each of these amounting to half a year, there were ten summers and as many winters contained in this first war.

Meanwhile the Lacedaemonians, to whose lot it fell to begin the work of restitution, immediately set free all the prisoners of war in their possession, and sent Ischagoras, Menas, and Philocharidas as envoys to the towns in the direction of Thrace, to order Clearidas to hand over Amphipolis to the Athenians, and the rest of their allies each to accept the treaty as it affected them. They, however, did not like its terms, and refused to accept it; Clearidas also, willing to oblige the Chalcidians, would not hand over the town, averring his inability to do so against their will. Meanwhile he hastened in person to Lacedaemon with envoys from the place, to defend his disobedience against the possible accusations of Ischagoras and his companions, and also to see whether it was too late for the agreement to be altered; and on finding the Lacedaemonians were bound, quickly set out back again with instructions from them to hand over the place, if possible, or at all events to bring out the Peloponnesians that were in it.

The allies happened to be present in person at Lacedaemon, and those who had not accepted the treaty were now asked by the Lacedaemonians to adopt it. This, however, they refused to do, for the same reasons as before, unless a fairer one than the present were agreed upon; and remaining firm in their determination were dismissed by the Lacedaemonians, who now decided on forming an alliance with the Athenians, thinking that Argos, who had refused the application of Ampelidas and Lichas for a renewal of the treaty, would without Athens be no longer formidable, and that the rest of the Peloponnese would be most likely to keep quiet, if the coveted alliance of Athens were shut against them. Accordingly, after conference with the Athenian ambassadors, an alliance was agreed upon and oaths were exchanged, upon the terms following:

1. The Lacedaemonians shall be allies of the Athenians for fifty years.

2. Should any enemy invade the territory of Lacedaemon and injure the Lacedaemonians, the Athenians shall help in such way as they most effectively can, according to their power. But if the invader be gone after plundering the country, that city shall be the enemy of Lacedaemon and Athens, and shall be chastised by both, and one shall not make peace without the other. This to be honestly, loyally, and without fraud.

3. Should any enemy invade the territory of Athens and injure the Athenians, the Lacedaemonians shall help them in such way as they most effectively can, according to their power. But if the invader be gone after plundering the country, that city shall be the enemy of Lacedaemon and Athens, and shall be chastised by both, and one shall not make peace without the other. This to be honestly, loyally, and without fraud.

4. Should the slave population rise, the Athenians shall help the Lacedaemonians with all their might, according to their power.

5. This treaty shall be sworn to by the same persons on either side that swore to the other. It shall be renewed annually by the Lacedaemonians going to Athens for the Dionysia, and the Athenians to Lacedaemon for the Hyacinthia, and a pillar shall be set up by either party: at Lacedaemon near the statue of Apollo at Amyclae, and at Athens on the Acropolis near the statue of Athene. Should the Lacedaemonians and Athenians see to add to or take away from the alliance in any particular, it shall be consistent with their oaths for both parties to do so, according to their discretion.

Those who took the oath for the Lacedaemonians were Pleistoanax, Agis, Pleistolas, Damagetus, Chionis, Metagenes, Acanthus, Daithus, Ischagoras, Philocharidas, Zeuxidas, Antippus, Alcinadas, Tellis, Empedias, Menas, and Laphilus; for the Athenians, Lampon, Isthmionicus, Laches, Nicias, Euthydemus, Procles, Pythodorus, Hagnon, Myrtilus, Thrasycles, Theagenes, Aristocrates, Iolcius, Timocrates, Leon, Lamachus, and Demosthenes.

This alliance was made not long after the treaty; and the Athenians gave back the men from the island to the Lacedaemonians, and the summer of the eleventh year began. This completes the history of the first war, which occupied the whole of the ten years previously.

“Luxembourg, Monaco, and a few others that I refuse to tell you about.”

I didn’t ask. And you just did tell me about them.

Oh look, there’s a slapfight between Ellie and Dinah. Why don’t you ladies have at it and we’ll just sit back and watch? I’ll pay you to do it blindfolded in interstate highway traffic.

Dino did in fact claim to not support the troops.

They do in a volunteer military.

The Nazi troops didn’t have a choice either.

No excuses for this country’s murderous ways. I’ll never believe otherwise.

Call it what you want, but saying our troops are Nazis and that they are evil murderers is saying you don’t support the troops. Maybe you’re lazy and didn’t look up, but in MULTIPLE posts, Dino called the troops evil, and nazis, and murderers and scum. That’s not my opinion, those are his words.

They should just change the sticker to “Support our Murderers.”

So either you’re too lazy to read, or you’re an incredible kind of foolish that you can claim, presumably with a straight face, that no one doesn’t support the soldiers.

Olympics as envisioned by the Ancient Greeks was/is a peaceful activity.
They stopped warring during the games, and came together to peacefully compete.
No armies no weapons. Butt naked, and anointed with olive oil.

Yes. I like the idea of a Liberal diaspora to the European Union. They’re welcome to them.

The well being of our soldiers isn’t political. Sorry Hairy, it just isn’t.

You may as well be saying that a cucumber is a banana.

If you weren’t all psychopaths, we might treat you differently.

Correction: Not a third world country mind you!