Sphagnum:

Just curious though, how do you believe Cheney did it?

Hm…. using his dark lord powers of course.

It’s amazing how many people believe really stupid shit. And the 9/11 conspiracy gunk is really stupid shit.

Judging by his previous movies, it will have some sort of conspiracy attached. I for one do not believe conspiracy theories belong in a national tragedy so fresh in everyone’s minds.

here’s the kicker: don’t worry about why i think cheney did it. i’m just telling you, so you’ve been told, my agenda….complete, simple. or completly insane. lucid, or do i really give a fuck about how long you people want to desperatly treat water. i can walk on it placido do playopolis. they call jesus but i don’t walk on water, me llamo jesus i push that chalk across the border (with the help of the CIA of course) oh damm its a tin hat theroy again. ray guns to reagan, they’re all illusions to keep you amused. play on. it is what it is. those who know don’t say.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is your brain on liberalism.

I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that the “compassion” would be directed toward the terrorists. In the quotation from Stone, he is referring to the script by Andrea Berloff, not the movie. Full text of PR here: http://www.prnewswire.com/

Quote: Jon Seital

“civilian slaughter in “Platoon”, lampooning with Castro in a documentary, making Nixon out to be Hitler incarnate, and the latest, labeling Alexander a homosexual”

I hate to burst your bubble but Alexander the great was gay. Does that change who he was? Does it matter in anyway whatsoever? NO!

Oliver Stones previous films such as Nixon, JFK and Platoon recieved alot of flak from people when they came out, but the fact remains Oliver Stone does not lie in his films. American troops did rape and murder innocent Women and children in Vietnam (and are still in Iraq!) and JFK was not killed by a lone gunman. Watch his films and do some research on the points he brings up, its all true!

As for 9/11, if Stone is going to do a film on it, I hope it WILL be contravercial. If the world has been lied to, which many people suspect it has been, then we need to know. And I believe that Oliver Stone is the man to do it.

It’s sad that you have to resort to childish language and call me an asswhole.

There is plenty of proof that US troops raped woman and children in Vietnam and still do in Iraq. Proof? http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/learning_history/vietnam/vietnam_mylai.cfm has some information on the My Lai massacre where a village full of woman and children where butchered, many where raped before they where killed.

Proof that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK? Oliver Stones film proves that. Why dont you prove to me why his film isnt proof?

Proof that Alexander the great was Gay? In ancient Greece Homosexuality was not viewed in the same way that it is today. It was considered normal for two men to have a sexual relationship. I suppose the term Bisexual would be more applicable then. But why does it matter if Alexander took part in gay sex?

these are not insults. they are simple truths.

Stupid sounding asian name~

You suck, you are a retard. You can’t spell correctly or even use proper grammar. You have no idea what apostrophes are or how to use them. Your logic and flawed and your knowledge is little. Your mother was a hampser! You are brainwashed and small. You are obviously less than 5 feet tall. Your manhood is tiny and your brain the size of a pea. You’re obviously also a yankee and own slaves.

These are not insults. They are simple truths.

Stan van gunray:

. find me the name of someone that was on one of those planes.

Not only were real people killed, but some very well known people as well. Try doing a search on Barbara Olson, she was a conservative commentator that worked for CNN. Kind of a gripping story… she managed to call her husband, Ted Olson, and let him know her plane had been highjacked shortly before she died.

Then there is the little problem of video of the planes slamming into the high rises…

Your comment about “planes don’t cause buildings to fall like that, period” was pretty sad too… considering that it took an hour for the buildings to collapse after being struck. And it was the fire not the collision that caused the buildings to collapse. And the fire didn’t melt the supporting beams, the heat just reduced their load bearing capacity to the point where they failed. Engineering 101.

Had the plains not been heavily laden with fuel (for cross-country flights) it is unlikely that the buildings would have collapsed. It was either a coincidence that planes with sufficient fuelant were both flown into the range of floors that ensured a collapse. You can look for conspiracies there if you want (they would probably start in Baghdad).

Proof that troops commit sexual assualt in Iraq [and then an Abu Graib reference]

I don’t see any women and children there (your original charge). That’s not to excuse these acts. After all, we put those soldiers in prison and don’t condone that behavior. So in the end you didn’t back up your charge. Asshole.

Have you seen the film JFK? If you have then you would know that the shot allegedly made by Oswald was an impossible one.

That was one of the conspiracy theories that Stone pushed out as fact.

The gun that he was using could not fire at the rate that was recorded.

Actually it can very easily when handled by a competent shooter, which Oswald most certainly was. Again, this was one of the made up facts in the movie. (Amazing that you bought it so easily I might add.)

In his footage you can clearly see that the fatal shot pushes Kennedy back and to the left. It also blew the back, right side of Kennedy’s head off. This could not have happened if Oswald had fired the gun as he was behind the president, a LONG way behind.

Oswald was behind Kennedy and to the right. He shot Kennedy, pushing him to the left. That makes sense considering where it was coming from. He shot off the right side of Kennedy’s head. That makes sense considering where it was coming from. The distance doesn’t matter in this, only the directions and angles.

And in the 1978 House select comitee on the Assanation of JFK they concluded “on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.”

Probably. I’d say, “no shit”, but nobody knows. In any regard, I won’t dispute it.

Stone admits that his documentaries are nonfactual. Since he doesn’t tell you which part is real and which part is his own made up shit, what’s the purpose in watching his movies?

I’m not sure that he’s described his movies as “documentaries.” But within the fictional setting of the movie, a filmmaker may use actual events around which he builds a story, and the result can be an authentic work or art or entertainment. Shakespeare used actual people and events in his plays, and doesn’t tell you which are real, but that doesn’t mean his work is less worthwhile.

Names of the victims? did you even try before you wrote that sentence?

Complete list of all airline and WTC deaths can be found here along with pictures

Satisfied?

Btw, you should lay off whatever it is you’re on. too much dope, too much X, too much Vodka… whatever it is…

I thought we were talking about Oliver Stone.

Anyone who goes back and watches the footage that day can see with their own eyes the towers were being blown up. For those of you who don’t know, hundreds of thousands of cubic feet of concrete turn to dust, crystalized instanly. The towers fell at free fall speeds. No steel building has ever collapsed from fire. Jet fuel does not melt steel. These are facts provable with high school chemistry and physics. Firefighters interviewed that day testified that they heard and saw explosions in the buildings, ie eyewitness testimony. Anyone who understands military protocol knows that protocol was not followed that day. In 2000 there was an exercise at the pentagon involving the scenario of a plane flying into the building, look it up, they actually have pictures of a model plane crashed into a model of the pentagon. Oh by the way, the military and CIA were conducting over a half dozen exercise the morning of 911 involving…you guessed it, hijacked planes flying into buildings. These are facts, check em out. The truth is available if you’re just willing to listen.

a very close friend of mine worked with some…as a subject. s’all I’m gonna say about that.

What about the stationary surveilance videos that captured the pentagon crash? why were they seized? why have we not seen them? Why does popular mechanics not debunk this popular non-theory, that the videos were seized because the gub-munt don’t want you to see what’s on them….and do you wonder why?

zanax and jack daniels by the way. wasn’t barbara from one the planes that didn’t hit the tower. also the buildings collapsed becasue of explosives placed inside. trust me playter i’ve heard all your engineering 101 stuff before. way way more people died in all of our imperialistic wars, which, if i believe the mainstream mumbo jumbo, is why these fucks suposably perpetrated the crime in the first place. revenge against us. you don’t seek revenge for no reason. and not to sound bitter, but if i whole bunch of bankers and lawyers and cops went down, isn’t that kind of a good thing in a few ways (i mean of course death is tragic yada yada so to will yours and mine be)

hey carry my dick. your 911 debunk link is a bunch of Propoganda. those who know KNOW…thats the point. those who don’t are living in a tremendously intricate and subtle lie. its like a movie. but the fact is we know and move on to do something about it. remove your mouth from the tit and grow wise. age and education mean little in these accelerating times. slow down un plug….or im going to stick a three prong adapter in your rectum…..sing it people…..i’m going to stick a three prong adapter–in-your- rectum! hav a nice day. don’t worry about anything. everything is everything and everything takes care of itself and anything else. ps whats the scientific name for a sex change? answer: Addadicktome

HTT:

market researchers are continuing to test the limmits of subluminal suggestability

I’d suggest you fact check that. All I’m gonna say on that topic.

I started understanding that the world trade center was a controlled demolition about 6 weeks before the 2004 presidential election fraud // 

http://www.st911.org/         SCHOLARSFORTRUTH

THIS SITE HAS A LOT OF EXCELLENT FEATURE VIDEOS ONLINE FREELIKE 911eyewitness where Richard Segal sets up a camera with audio on a dock in N.J.1.8 mi. from the event and get the explosions in the basement before the buildings fall//

In the released fireman interviews of august 2005

MANY HEARD AND SAW BOMBS SEQUENTIALLY EXPLODING

Sounds like another guilty white liberal, using fake ghetto-lingo to mask their true identity.

&heellip; Medved: The Hollywood Slump Michael Medved delivers some potent tough love advice to Hollywood about its multi-year ticket sales slump. I doubt if they will listen though. The “big” movies in the queue include an Oliver Stone take on 9-11 and a Steven Spielberg take on the assassination of the Israeli atheletes at the Munich 1972 Olympics that reportedly focuses on the “regrets” of Israeli agents tracking down the killers, rather than the horrendous crime itself. Notes Medved:Tinseltown’s recent setbacks suggest a crisis of majorproportions, with a May USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll showing 48% of adults going to movies less often than in 2000. For 19 consecutive weeks, motion picturereleases earned less (despite higher ticket prices) than the year before. Projected ticket sales for all of 2005 indicate a disastrous drop of at least 8% – at a time of population growth and a generally robust economy. USA TODAYran a headline, “Where have all the moviegoers gone?” under which insiders discussed their desperate attempts to rebuild the shattered audience: “The luresinclude providing high-tech eye candy through 3-D digital projection and IMAX versions of movies. … Stadium seating, which improves views, is just now becoming standard. Other theaters are opting for screenings that serve alcohol to patrons 21 and older.”Revealingly, none of the studio honchos talked about reconnecting with the public by adjusting the valuesconveyed by feature films, and replacing the industry’s shrill liberal posturing with a more balanced ideological perspective. Prediction: No one will want to see either Spielberg’s or Stone’s dhimmi trash, same as no one wanted to see Ridley Scott’s PeeCee take on the Crusades, Kingdom of Crap — er, Kingdom of Heaven. What the hell. “Stars” and “star directors” still get their multi-million dollar paychecks whether a movie flops or not; the public be damned. &heellip;

haha, man you’re frickin wasted, but I see what you’re saying. This is indeed a forum of the lost, as are much of the commuter streets…but what can we do but try our best. Brainwashing works because brainwashing works…people have to convince themselves of things. Hyonotism works…market researchers are continuing to test the limmits of subluminal suggestability…closed door meetings are calculating revenue vs. litigation and the product isn’t even on the shelves yet…click here for a free ipod…this is a real check, sign it and the cash is yours…are you fat and ugly? this’ll help….please buy what you don’t need and can’t afford….

Proof that troops commit sexual assualt in Iraq
http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/images/graner.jpg
http://www.americanstate.org/image/abu_ghraib_02.jpg

Have you seen the film JFK? If you have then you would know that the shot allegedly made by Oswald was an impossible one. The gun that he was using could not fire at the rate that was recorded.

Also Abraham Zapruder filmed the only footage of the entire assasination. In his footage you can clearly see that the fatal shot pushes Kennedy back and to the left. It also blew the back, right side of Kennedy’s head off. This could not have happened if Oswald had fired the gun as he was behind the president, a LONG way behind.

And in the 1978 House select comitee on the Assanation of JFK they concluded “on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.”

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKassassinationsC.htm Has information on the Select comitees findings.

the 911 commision itself said that the perimiter frames where actually what supported the building, not the internals.

Look, the perimeter was the load-bearing section of the building sure, but what does that have to do with anything?

Here> is a pretty good explanation from civil engineers in Sydney as to what brought the towers down.

Just curious though, how do you believe Cheney did it? Did he hire Halliburton to melt them with an invisible metal-melting ray to simiulate fire heating the steel?

And as Likwid said, you’re obviously not an engineer based on your moronically simple answer about the 9-11 commission, so don’t even pretend to be. If you were really a civil engineer (as I was very close to becoming) you would have a much mroe detailed and jargon-ized answer…

the 911 commision itself said that the perimiter frames where actually what supported the building, not the internals. and whats so funny about me being an engineer?

cheney knocked down the towers….the conspiricy theroy is the media/ goverment cover story. planes don’t cause buildings to fall like that…..period.

Can you say “certifiably insane”?

its really as simple as i’m not insane you are. jsut reverse the wheel. science still works. god bless cindy sheehan and prepare for the iranian invasion after the US lets the next 911 happen! comming soon to a city near you. they’re probably already working on crafty the propaganda now. bye bye for now

Yes, enlighten us nay nigga. Why do you refer to yourself with such a derogative term?

chaun/lao tzu:

I see that you are using AOL. Please note that I have contacted AOL’s abuse department about your threats of violence here. I expect that you will be hearing from them in short order.

Disagreeing with myself or the other commenters on this site is one thing, but I draw the line at threats of violence.

Marcus: are you really ready to defend Ollie the Rockhead?

Question: Who–and I mean specifically–bought the first bullet in JFK’s head? Was it a Commie plot? Or was it someone on LBJ’s payroll? Castro? Queers in Big Easy? Maybe Hoover getting large in his girdle?

Stone’s entire “auterish” being is “I’m telling you the truth” and that crap has been obliterated, and he’s been hammereed by historians harder than his crack hookups (oops! I’m sorry, “screenplays”) could ever hope.

Until you got a good spin on anything–and I mean ANYTHING–this monkey has ever afforded the public argument that has not played out to be a fever dream, STFU.

… if you wanna keep barking up that tree, …well, I got a waterfall made of chocolate I would like you to open your mouth and drown beneath. It’s located directly beneath the Brooklyn Bridge.

Lemme get this straight: two NYC cops, trappred in that, were thinking about the French?