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Tuesday, November 08, 2005

Oil Execs To Defend Profits

NEW YORK - The all-star cast of energy executives due to face Congress Wednesday has an unenviable task: convincing lawmakers that record profits in the face of sky-high gasoline prices do not warrant penalties.

At issue is whether Congress will levy a tax on record oil industry profits, be it a windfall tax on sales of oil over a certain price or a tax to fund a winter heating program for low-income families.

Most of the fireworks at the hearing are expected to be set off by lawmakers, feeling heat from constituents over gasoline prices and heating bills.

Corporate head honchos, however, are expected to be noncombative.

The oil companies have steadfastly maintained that record profits are nothing to be ashamed of, but brash statements in self-defense may backfire, said one government policy analyst.

“The problem is there is no way for oil companies to look good in this environment,” said Kevin Book, an analyst with Friedman, Billings, Ramsey & Co. Book said criticisms heard on the news are going be repeated through questions like: “’How do you deal with old grandmothers being pulled from their homes because they can’t afford to heat them?”’


The left's desperate scramble to tar-and-feather oil executives over high gas prices is nothing short of astounding. I've been chronicling North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan's push behind this "windfall profits" legislation (here, here, and here, with ND State Rep. Tom Brusegaard's op/ed on the issue here) and I can't help but feel that Dorgan, and the legislators who are with him on this issue, either don't understand simple economics or are pretending like they don't for some ulterior motives.



First off, what these legislators don't understand about recent high gas prices is that they are high because of a decrease in supply. Hurricanes Katrina and Rita did some major damage to petroleum supply lines in the south. This meant that gasoline became more scarce and prices went up. Anyone with a basic understanding of economics gets this. The oil companies were not jacking up prices to buy themselves new corporate jets, they were doing what is necessary to succeed in an open market.

Second, most of the legislators siding with Dorgan voted against drilling in ANWR. I know for sure that Dorgan himself did. If they're all so concerned about gas prices then why in the world are they opposing the development of more petroleum supplies? Something that will bring down prices? Supply goes up, prices go down. Again, Economics 101.

Third, the gist of the legislation backed by Dorgan is that "excessive profits" from oil companies will be taxed heavily and re-distributed to the people. If they really want to lower price and give citizens back some of their money why don't they lower federal taxes on gasoline? Why institute a new tax when they could effect the same sort of change, more directly, by lowering the nearly $0.50/gallon U.S. citizens already pay on average in gas taxes? A simple $0.04/gallon decrease in taxes could save citizens $6 billion.

I'm not trying to tell you people that there isn't a problem with energy prices in this country, because there is. What I'm telling you is that people like Dorgan are going about solving the problem all wrong. Their solution (more taxes!) won't make prices go down, they'll make them go up. The tax won't be a burden on the oil industry, they'll simply pass the cost of the tax onto citizens.

There are so many better solutions to the energy problem. Like, for instance, easing restrictions on building new refineries. Easing restrictions on domestic oil exploration. Lowering taxes on gas. Any, or better yet, all of these initiatives would lower energy costs, yet people like Dorgan aren't interested in implementing them.

Why?

Here are my theories:


  1. They are big-government bureaucrats who leap at any chance to levy more taxes and seize more power from the American people.


  2. They are trying to draw attention away from the real reasons why gas prices are so high: The oil industry is heavily taxed, hopelessly mired in red tape and can't raise production levels because they can't build new refineries or exploit available domestic oil reserves. All of which, for the most part, is the fault of people like Dorgan.


  3. A combination of 1 and 2.



What Dorgan and his comrades are doing is shameful. It's easy to cast aspersions at big-time oil executives. They're rich, so it's easy to also make them look greedy to the average American with only passing knowledge of the facts that surround this situation. But what's really going on here is a push to levy another tax on the American people and seize more power for the government.

Dorgan's solution isn't a solution at all, unless the problems he is trying to solve is a free oil market and Americans paying too little in taxes.

(via The North Dakota Democrats Blog)

Comments

Avatar for bullwinkle

You missed the most obvious reason. The left is so easily swayed by idiotic jealousy and dishonesty that they’ll jump at the chance to condemn any business that makes a profit any time they can and some politicians rely on that ignorance to keep their seats in congress. They’re put into office by morons and kept there by morons.

bullwinkle on November 8, 2005 at 08:11 pm
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My God!!!!!!!!

People in America have to “Defend profits”!!!!!  Lennin and Marx are laughing from their Marxist Utopia right now. Dorgan’s excess profit tax is bunk!!!!

I realize that I’m a little fired up about this topic, but come on!!!! All right, fine ... How much is a reaonable profit, $2 Billon .. $5 Billion ... $.75 ????  Tell the oil companies Bryon, they want to know.

Can you all imagine, Mr. Smith, CEO of NL Petrolium Inc gets called in front of his board of directors - discussion follows:

Chairman of the Board Dorgan ... err I mean Dorkhead:  “I’m sorry Mr. Smith, we have voted to let you go.  You just made too much money last quarter.”

Mr, Smith:  “I’m sorry, how much was I supposed to make?”

Chairman of the Board Dorkhead:  “I’m not sure but less than what you did!!! It was just too much.”

Mr. Smith:  “Please Mr. Dorkhead, members of the board, give me another chance ... I can do worse I know I can!”

Chairman of the Board Dorkhead:  “No - too late.  We just can’t be having these high level of profits.  Your OUT!!!!”

Now think for a moment that you are a stockholder of NL Petrolium Inc. You would probably have an actionable complaint in court for corporate mismanagement.

ARRRRGH!!!!!!!!

I hate Pandering

gilbyguy on November 8, 2005 at 10:11 pm
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The truth is, when oil companies profit, the value of all those mutual funds held by retired Americans goes up.  Profits are good for everyone, even the MSM that wants to demonize the founding principles of America.

robert108 on November 8, 2005 at 10:12 pm
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ask yourself why, if it’s a supply and demand issue, skyrocketing prices have never put a significant dent in consumption. Then, if you choose to argue that it’s because of the competitive marketers keeping up with themselves, are those fuckers still alive in the midst of everybody watching their living expenses shoot up while they stuff their pockets more than ever. You support that kind of “business”?

keep it simple on November 9, 2005 at 01:12 am
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Hopefully they’ll bring crayons so they can draw pictures to explain to the Senators how business works.

ICallMasICM on November 9, 2005 at 04:11 am
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I continue to post on the opposite side of this issue anywhere I can. 

It’s not about how much they profited, it’s not about how much profit is fair.  All their profit is “fair”, that’s the definition of a free market. 

But in the midst of two natural disasters when supply was low, they jacked up prices to the point where they had RECORD profits.  I have long felt that oil companies engage in price fixing.  The fact that multiple gas companies have the exact same price, down to tenths of a penny all over town is not evidence of a free market. 

Record high prices coincident with Katrina and Rita are understandable.  Record high profits are not.  You can chalk that up simply to an over-reaction, that oil companies boosted prices in anticipation of lower supply than they actually had.  OR you can chalk that up to a focus on nothing more than the bottom line.  The fact that the US economy rides on the back of the product they provide was of no consequence whatsoever, so long as they made their profits, and if they over-priced their product to virtually assure they made all the profits they were accustomed to and the consumer and the economy might suffer, well, too fucking bad, I guess.

Sherard on November 9, 2005 at 04:12 am
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KIS:  It’s simple.  When the average price went over $3.50, demand did fall.  Gasoline is a product for which the demand is highly inelastic(economic term), which means that the price can fluctuate quite a bit before demand changes.

Sherard:  The sameness of prices is because the supply market(OPEC) is a monopoly.  No company has any better technology, therefore the delivered price is pretty much the same.
Companies are supposed to focus on the bottom line, that’s their job.

The economy didn’t “suffer” despite all the phony propaganda developed by the MSM.  The economy grew at 3.8%, which is quite good, even without a natural disaster.  When you sell a lot of product, you make a lot of money.

robert108 on November 9, 2005 at 10:11 am
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All environmental wackos should be saddled with the higher prices of gas because it is their fault.  We need to drill in Anwr, California and Florida.  During shortages even small new supplies ease prices.

We need to build more refineries.  Yet environmental extremists are blocking all these things.  It is time to through all the wackos out.  Or.... just charge blue states $6/ gallon to subsidize the rest of us.

Republicans should be trumpeting this reality from the roof tops.

RA on November 9, 2005 at 01:11 pm
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Sherard:  The difference between science and superstition is that superstition assumes that a coincidental relationship “proves” causality, like black cats cause bad luck, while science requires actual proof of a causal relationship.  Simply stating that oil companies must be fixing prices because there are “record” profits(not proven in real dollars) coincide with a price spike due to short supply coupled with a spike in demand(evacuation in massive numbers) is just superstition.  It’s the same with the price of gasoline.  I know it is tempting to make the assumptions you make, but that doesn’t prove them.  It’s the usual populist/marxist fantasy about evil capitalists exploiting the poor and downtrodden workers. Yawn.

robert108 on November 9, 2005 at 01:11 pm
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Look, you can make all the excuses in the world, come up with a multitude of reasons to explain the way things are or were.  But the simple fact of the matter is that during a period including 2 natural disasters, these companies profited at record levels.  To me, yes, that is borderline unethical.

I read somewhere today a quote from one of the sentors questioning these guys.  Basically it was that during a period of national crisis caused by Rita and Katrina, their “sacrifice was nothing”.  In fact it was just the opposite.

I’m not calling for any kind of windfall tax, nor do I support it.  I also did not state that the economy DID suffer, but the potential was certainly there.  They just don’t care.  I’m not buying the “OPEC monopoly” basis for identical prices to the tenth of a penny.  There is absolutely ZERO possibility that one company cannot even come up with any way whatsoever to shave even a penny off their price.  Ridiculous. 

If you want to talk about real world, the real answer would have been to oppose all the mergers of the last decade or so.  THAT was the reason - not that refineries aren’t being built - but the reason that OPERATING refineries were shut down.  Big oil is treading a thin thin line when it comes to monopoly status, price fixing, and collusion in my opinion.

Sherard on November 9, 2005 at 01:12 pm
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[...] I don’t know about the rest of you, but to me those aren’t exactly the hallmarks of brilliant leadership. But then, people like Byron Dorgan aren’t exactly known for their appreciation of capitalistic enterprise. [...]

Avatar for Randy

"Look, you can make all the excuses in the world, come up with a multitude of reasons to explain the way things are or were”

This is exactly why people who are outraged at the oil companies never seem to get it.  Whenever an explanation is offered, they say “yeah sure...you can give me all these explanations, but...”

Why not take the time to learn how the oil market works so you can 1) enlighten youself to what’s going and 2) save yourself from embarrassment.

Just some advice.

Randy on November 9, 2005 at 11:11 pm
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[...] Honestly, I think that Byron Dorgan and his cohorts should drag these greedy corporations before Congress and demand that they turn over half of their profits to the government for re-distribution to the people. [...]

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[...] And if you’re a North Dakotan you can thank Senator Byron Dorgan who had a hand in coming up with this nonsense. [...]

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Carl B. holier than thou holier than marty get a grip keep it simple said, ask yourself why, if it’s a supply and demand issue, skyrocketing prices have never put a significant dent in consumption.

Because prices haven’t skyrocketed beyond what people are willing to pay.

Then, if you choose to argue that it’s because of the competitive marketers keeping up with themselves, are those fuckers still alive in the midst of everybody watching their living expenses shoot up while they stuff their pockets more than ever. You support that kind of “business”?

Not sure it matters to someone who uses the word “fuckers” in a supposed economic argument, but what in Sam hell are you talking about?

likwidshoe on November 20, 2005 at 03:11 am
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In the first place, at the apogee of gas prices, overall consumption did go down a bit. In the disaster areas, a lot of traveling was necessary, so consumption there probably went up, so that overall consumption stayed the same, but that didn’t tell the story.  In the second place, in economic terms, the demand for gasoline is highly inelastic, meaning that the price can fluctuate widely without a much of a change in demand.  This is due to the fact that we have to drive a certain amount, no matter what the price, and there is no substitute, literally, for gasoline in the market, no alternative product.  Public transportation is not a substitute, by and large, for private transportation.

robert108 on November 20, 2005 at 08:12 am
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[...] Meanwhile, our idiot Senators (including North Dakota’s own Byron Dorgan) have been in Congress berating oil industry executives over “excessive profits” and threatening to re-distribute said profits to the citizenry with a new tax [...]

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