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Tuesday, April 10, 2007

Oh-So-Sensitive Liberals On The View Defend Imus

The discussion takes a particularly sharp turn into lunacy when Rosie invokes Nazism as an argument against Imus’ critics.

The controversy that erupts every time some famous person says something, well, controversial is always a bit...stupid.  The offended usually exaggerate their outrage (almost always because they don’t like the person’s politics and want to use the controversy as leverage against him/her), and the defenders of the person in question almost always seem to think that any criticism amounts to attempts to silence that person’s free speech.  Which is what Rosie is doing with her rather idiotic reference to Nazi Germany.  It’s the same thing many on the right did when Ann Coulter called John Edwards a faggot.  They equate criticism with attempts to silence.  But that’s not a fair comparison.

Unfortunately, it’s one we’ve been making since the Dixie Chicks fiasco.

What we all need to realize is this: With a great amount of freedom comes a great amount of personal responsibility.  If you say something provocative or controversial and you make a lot of people angry you had better be ready to face the consequences of that.  If you’re the Dixie Chicks and you tick off your fans with your personal politics you aren’t being “censored” when they don’t buy your albums any more.  You’re simply facing the consequences of your actions.

The same is true of Imus.  He made a comment that many found offensive.  He’s being criticized for it by those who were offended.  That’s how a free society works.  Should he be fired?  I don’t think he should be forced off the air or silenced in any way by the government, but if his employers (who are themselves private citizens engaged in private enterprise) decide that he’s no longer an asset to their business that’s their decision.  They have to make a business-based decision.  If they keep him they risk losing as listeners those who were offended.  If they fire Imus the risk him going to their competitors.  But either way, it isn’t fascism at work as Rosie suggests. 

Just free people making free choices in a free society.

Comments

Institutional punishment of a citizen for exercising his or her free speech rights is in reality intimidation for exercising said rights; however, private citizens are perfectly free to make their own decisions about what to buy and what not to buy.  Let the market take care of Imus.  Or not.  If the lefties in his audience really believe in their principles, they will stop listening to him; my bet is that his Bush-slapping will keep them listening.  One of his guys also does an offensive imitation of AG Gonzales, complete with an Al Pacino/Scarface accent. Nobody seems to care about that bit of racism.


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robert108 on April 10, 2007 at 10:33 pm

From what I see it is the liberal media and the liberal politicians who are beating up on Imus the most. Are these the Nazi’s that Rosie is referring to?

Irony. Ya gotta love it.

Mickey on April 11, 2007 at 05:59 am
Mickey on April 11, 2007 at 06:17 am

If Don Imus said that fat, loud-mouthed lesbians are offensive and should be locked away, Rosie has little choice but to defend him and his “right” to say anything.

Of course, neither Imus nor Rosie has the “right” to say anything at all that they please, but of the two, only Imus is smart enough to know that.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on April 11, 2007 at 06:55 am

Hopefully someday people will realize that celebrity does not necessarily equate to intelligence. Those Hollywood buffoon’s opinions are no more valid than your friendly bartender’s or your beer swilling neighbor’s.

They have a spotlight. That’s all. Oh...and an overblown sense of their own importance.


The future ain’t what it used to be.....

Pilgrim on April 11, 2007 at 08:13 am

Hopefully someday people will realize that celebrity does not necessarily equate to intelligence.

Pilgrim,

Those Hollywood celebrities attained their celebrity status, their fame and fortune, because of a finely honed, lifelong talent for make believe.  Which makes them just about the last persons to be regarded seriously where reality is concerned.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on April 11, 2007 at 08:26 am

Of course, neither Imus nor Rosie has the “right” to say anything at all that they please, but of the two, only Imus is smart enough to know that.

While Rosie and Imus are definitely offensive, and purposely so, my understanding of First Amendment rights is that they certainly have the right to do so.  That doesn’t guarantee them a public forum, though.  I really think the true issue here is gender and skin color, with white men having the fewest free speech rights.  If Rosie were a white man, she would have been persecuted like Imus a long time ago, IMO.


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robert108 on April 11, 2007 at 08:27 am
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Imess used the words those girls ((dance)) to in rap music,
How the hell can they be offended?

aka on April 11, 2007 at 08:53 am

AKA:
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Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 11, 2007 at 09:07 am

Imess used the words those girls ((dance)) to in rap music, How the hell can they be offended?

Because his skin is white, and he’s a man.


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robert108 on April 11, 2007 at 09:09 am

aka

Imess used the words those girls ((dance)) to in rap music,
How the hell can they be offended?

“those”....you must be one of “them”. (according to Sharpton anyway)

hehehe

Mickey on April 11, 2007 at 09:33 am

Imus, who has spent the last 10 years as a living caricature, a contradictory comedian, a longhair cowboy, a NewYork New Mexican, and an equal opportunity offender, was probably just trying to be one of the homeboys when he referred to the Rutgers girls in the way that he did. It was a term of endearment as mixed up as is the entire rest of his persona.  Rosie or Imus, .... turn them off if they are simply too wacky.

djkrell on April 11, 2007 at 10:40 am

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/09/lott.comment/

“A poor choice of words conveyed to some the impression that I embraced the discarded policies of the past,” Lott said. “Nothing could be further from the truth, and I apologize to anyone who was offended by my statement.”

Lott, R-Mississippi, made the comment Thursday on Capitol Hill during a 100th birthday celebration for Thurmond, who is retiring next month after nearly 48 years in the Senate. The comment was broadcast live on C-SPAN.

“I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either,” Lott said at last week’s party.

Thurmond ran as the presidential nominee of the breakaway Dixiecrat Party in the 1948 presidential race against Democrat Harry Truman and Republican Thomas Dewey. He carried Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and his home state of South Carolina, of which he was governor at the time.

Wow.  Lott didn’t call anyone nappy or ho’s.  Simply was making a comment to make an old man feel good about himself.  You think Rosie was lining up to say it was an honest mistake and he misspoke?

The same usual suspects were demanding appologies then too.  But then again, they we ramming down doors during a recount and demand all kinds of things:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/310534_subprime06.html

A coalition of U.S. civil rights groups asked mortgage lenders to freeze foreclosures for borrowers with weak credit ratings, saying “reckless” lending practices to minorities caused their predicament.

Lenders, loan servicers and investors in mortgages should agree to a six-month foreclosure moratorium, said a group including the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the National Council of La Raza and the National Fair Housing Alliance in a joint statement Wednesday.

So lenders lend money to blacks and hispanics that would not otherwise qualify to own their own homes, and when these folks cannot make their payments, it is the lender’s fault because we are all racists and Mortgage companies were reckless in lending to these people in the first place?

Answer--don’t lend money to blacks and hispanics to buy homes.  I am not advocating that position, but you cannot on the one hand say lend us money so that we can own homes and then on the other blame the companies for lending the money.  These folks would not have qualified if not for lax lending standards, maybe, but the alternative is for these low income minorities to not own a home.

Justin B. on April 11, 2007 at 12:12 pm

These folks would not have qualified if not for lax lending standards, maybe, but the alternative is for these low income minorities to not own a home.

Yet another example of how govt social engineering programs distort the market and disadvantage us all.


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robert108 on April 11, 2007 at 12:36 pm

No, this isn’t big government social engineering, but rather mortgage companies trying to gain competitive advantage by offering lax lending standards.  this worked well when the market was in an upturn because worst case in a foreclosure is that the value would have risen and be greater than the loan amount.

Now, values have dropped and variable rates are rising meaning that the owners have little incentive to pay more per month for a property that isn’t worth what they owe on it.  Folks that have good credit and solid finances can ride it out until the market comes back but these folks aren’t in subprime loans.

These were higher risk loans, hence the higher yield and appeal to investors, but there was HIGHER RISK and the risks are being realized.  Serves these companies right, but they were serving a market that in most other cases could not afford a home.  Now, with the disappearance of these lenders, expect it will be much, much harder for folks with little down and mediocre credit to get into their first home.  That means most low to low middle class folks cannot afford a home.  The government was not subsidizing these high risk loans because even FHA would not approve them.  These were private companies doing it.

Justin B. on April 11, 2007 at 01:50 pm

JustinB: I was referring to this:

A coalition of U.S. civil rights groups asked mortgage lenders to freeze foreclosures for borrowers with weak credit ratings, saying “reckless” lending practices to minorities caused their predicament.

Lenders, loan servicers and investors in mortgages should agree to a six-month foreclosure moratorium, said a group including the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the National Council of La Raza and the National Fair Housing Alliance in a joint statement Wednesday.

I was commenting on the big govt social engineering groups that are trying to distort the market by giving their protected groups special treatment.  Understand?  This is typical of the way big govt social engineering distorts markets in general, to use the economic system to achieve their social goals, thus disadvantaging us all.
The businessmen will obviously take the fall for their risk, and no one is rushing to give them a soft landing, and they shouldn’t get one.  No one should, and that is my point.


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robert108 on April 11, 2007 at 02:02 pm

govt social engineering programs

You referred to government programs and this was not a program.  But you are right--these groups are the usual suspects that lobby for government programs to help the poor, but in this case, this was a real world market program that was ACTUALLY HELPING THE POOR.  It helped poor people that otherwise couldn’t get a loan to own their own house.  Normally these folks (NAACP, La Raza) call for expansion of things like HUD and FHA loans that would be government guaranteed, in which case when these folks default, the government picks up the tab.  If that was the case, then we would expect a big government bailout where the FHA and HUD would subsidize these mortgages and allow borrowers to cut their interest or create some kind of transfer payments from higher taxes for the rich that would help poor people afford to stay in houses that they either paid too much for or that they couldn’t afford.  Even the VA, FHA, and HUD would not lend money to these folks.

This is the Compra Aqui, Pague Aqui side of the home lending market.  Just like the crappy little car dealerships that charge 20% interest and skate next to the usury laws.  Folks default on car loans like that, but the lenders make so much money on the front side that they just repo the car and resell it.

Thankfully the government didn’t create some kind of taxpayer subsidized home loan program to lend to folks that have zero down, a 450 credit score, and a patchy work history.  We would all be screwed.

Justin B. on April 11, 2007 at 02:17 pm

Imus called the wrong gals nappy-headed Ho’s.

If there is a nappy-head Ho to be called as such, meet Crystal Gail Mangum, false accuser of the Duke LaCrosse players:
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...for great justice

Move_Zig on April 11, 2007 at 02:24 pm

JustinB: To repeat; I put two things together, in that what these pressure groups are calling for is the same thing that govt programs do, with the same result.  The action is the same, the names are slightly different, but the outcome is the same, in both cases.  It’s the leftie mentality of trying to make the economic system serve their social engineering agenda.


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robert108 on April 11, 2007 at 03:46 pm
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