Obsession

What the war on terror is really about…


A long video, but definitely worth your time.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Part 4.
Part 5.
Update from likwidshoe: They yanked the video. Twice. Up above is the trailer. The movie can be ordered here.
Update again: The movie is back up.

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  • http://Array Christ Message

    and after three generation will send nuclear-suicide bombers into suspecting nothing happy America, and it will be the last day for 90% americans, including your descendents.

    Oh! So that’s what happened in Japan after WW2.
    ================================/
    We ‘ll never know, who/what actually inspired 9/11, but you most likely are right: looks very alike two filled-with-death airplanes above Japanese cities in 1945…
    ==============================/
    Of course, there is no way that anybody can talk with the hysterical crowds as it is there now. Any messenger of peace will be killed indeed with the utmost cruelty and satisfaction, as it was done before in the history and now. Later on crowds may sincerely repent about that, but for that we need, that the messenger’s words be heard before they die.
    This only possible if they come there before (instead) or after the war. We have lost the chance of peace interference there INSTEAD of the military interference. We still can STOP the intervention and send volunteers there after hysterical peak has gone.
    Anyhow these must be absolutely conscious people, with very high intellectual level, who studied the situation well enough to know all the view-points of opposed sides and all their argumentation. If the government dares to support this action, it should allow to these people the maximal access to the secret information before they go to Palestina. Beside, they will need at least 2 years to learn one of Muslim languages — without it the understanding will be impossible, and they be killed almost immediately. In addition, each such volunteer must be accompanied by an interpreter — the best option, if American government pays to the local volunteers-interpreters as much money as they want if they will be able to find someone. Interpreter is needed, since even 2 years of foreign language study is not enough to express yourself and to understand what is said, good enough for developing a contact with the crowd. Without this contact they will be killed after first few inevitable misunderstandings or miswordings. After these conditions are met (stopped war, sufficient amount of highly informed volonteers, a period of peace enough to learn language and calm down + the local interpreter), still the risk of being killed will be high enough, but at least they will surely gain some time to TALK and be heard. Christ had three years to talk, and he WAS heard and admired and sorried for, though still disobeyed by all Christian worlds then and now.
    The time came to bring HIS words to power.
    =======================
    well, if my participation here is not welcome I go. Otherwise I could past couple of responses from other believes (Hindu and Buddha).
    Be peace with you.

  • robert108

    Gotta order up a whole case of tinfoil for this guy!

  • Ralph

    Thanks for a great movie which should be required in our high schools. This movie is a history lesson. Perhaps should be shown on TV screens in this country. I have lived through many wars since WWII, and it is so frustrating to see so many citizens of this great country totally oblivious to what is going on. It’s as if they are ostriches. They just stick their head in the sand and hope all this Islamofacists will disappear. It’s time to wake up if you care about our children’s future. If we don’t act now we will be cursed by our future generations for not doing anything about it.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Generally Lik doesn’t mince words so it’s perhaps unwise to translate his stuff. I am very sure if he wanted to call you a moron he would have done it.

    In fact he very well might yet….

  • Maria

    Well said AWAKENED WARRIOR!! I was happy to see that you mentioned the hippy professors that are not running our universities. Many dont even know what these professors are teaching and saying. I like what you say about “truth”. What a world it would be, if we could get off the hook because we did what we did in out truth.

  • Ralph

    Thanks for a great movie which should be required viewing in our high schools. This movie is a history lesson. It should be shown on TV screens in this country. I have lived through many wars since WWII, and it is so frustrating to see so many citizens of this great country totally oblivious to what is going on. It’s as if they are ostriches. They just stick their head in the sand and hope all this Islamofacists will disappear. It’s time to wake up if you care about our children’s future. If we don’t act now we will be cursed by our future generations for not doing anything about it. Have Americans lost their spine?

  • robert108

    Likwid: Yes, I’m sure. It is true, IMO, that we do have to have a shell of govt on some levels; the less, the better, and if there were no military threats in the world, probably unnecessary, but the ability to mobilize quickly does require some central govt. Check Otto von Bismarck.

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    Maria:
    Thanks for the support. It’s not just the 60′s hippies that have taken over our universities, it’s terrorists (like Sami Al Arian at the University of South Florida) and terrorists loving ex-weathermen underground members. And it’s professors who teach anarchy in the guise of “social justice,”

    This crap is nothing more than reconstituted Marxism with a little twist. It doesn’t matter what race or creed we are. It’s just plain wrong!!
    Here’s a short list:

    Hatem Bazian
    University Of California, Berkeley

    What he teaches the kids;
    :
    “The day of Judgment will never happen until you fight the Jews…and the stones will say. Oh Muslim there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him.”

    “We’re sitting here and watching the world pass by, people being bombed, and it’s about time that we have an Intifada in this country that changes fundamentally the political dynamics here.”

    Professor Shahid Alam
    Northeastern University

    Here’s what He’s teaching your kids!

    In a fiendishly obscene essay, Professor Shahid Alam of Northeastern University portrays the mass-murdering thugs of 9/11 as heroes on the order of the American patriots of Lexington and Concord; they’re virtuous heroic freedom fighters

    Professor Regina Austin
    University Of Pennsylvania

    Here’s what she’s teaching the kids:

    White racism is a permanent structural dimension of American society.
    Minority status confers the privilege of interpreting the law as one pleases
    Professor Austin has exhorted the black community to reject the distinction between lawful and unlawful activity, regarding this distinction as one of the imposed strictures of an oppressive white society.
    Professor Austin pours scorn on such “traditional values” as “conformity to the law,” which she insists will “intensify divisions within the black community.”
    The intention of her courses is to encourage students, especially minority students, to regard the law not as a body of rules applicable equally to all citizens but rather as a malleable concept, subordinate to one’s perceived identity interest.

    New York University
    Professor Derrick Bell
    Here’s what he’s teaching the kids:

    Racial minorities, in Professor Bell’s view, are a permanently oppressed caste-and racism is a normal, permanent aspect of American life-equality before the law is oppressive to African Americans, whose moral claims are superior to those of whites.

    Whites and white institutions are irredeemably racist.

    Oppressed racial groups have both the right and the duty to decide for itself, which laws are valid and are worth observing

    WHAT A UNIVERSITY SHOULD BE:

    The function of the university is to seek and to transmit knowledge and to train students in the processes whereby truth is to be known. To convert, or make converts, is alien and hostile to this dispassionate duty. Where it becomes necessary, in performing this function of a university, to consider political, social, or sectarian movements, they are dissected and examined, not taught, and the conclusion left, with no tipping of the scales, to the logic of the facts….Essentially the freedom of a university is the freedom of competent persons in the classroom. In order to protect this freedom, the University assumed the right to prevent exploitation of its prestige by unqualified persons who would use it as a platform for propaganda. The activist agendas of today’s academics are not only a departure from academic tradition; they are violations of established principles of academic freedom dating back to 1915.

  • robert108

    bobocopy: Since I have done none of the things you mentioned, I agree. RBB came out with his usual threadjack away from the real subject, and I called him on it. You accused me and Rob of using straw man arguments, when in fact we were just pointing out rbb’s egregious change of subject, which is a usual tactic by him.
    As far as being “a literalist”, if you mean that I say what I mean and I mean what I say, that is absolutely true. I take that as a compliment, not as a mental illness(if you want to be so polite, why the smear?).
    Precisely due to the anonymity of blogs, I find it much more efficient to say what I say, and take others at their word. An occasional winky face does break things up a bit, and I am guilty of the occasional humorous remark with those who I already know, but I am not obligated to interpret your remarks, for any reason. Whether you realize it or not, that is asking me to take care of you, and that’s not my job. On this blog, we stand or fall by our words, and the burden of credibility is on the commenter, not everyone else. It’s just about being honest, or dishonest, as is the case with some commenters.
    Whether you are a man or a woman is irrelevant to me. I only care about your ideas. This is written text, after all.

  • realitybasedbob

    who was that masked bobo?

    WOW, I see it really riles up the poodles when fair criticism of the “fiscally responsible” gop make the news. Especially if it is from a congressionally approved federally funded oversight commission.

    Medicare

    Richard S. Foster, the government’s chief analyst of Medicare costs who was threatened with firing last year if he disclosed too much information to Congress, said last night that he believes the White House participated in the decision to withhold analyses that Medicare legislation President Bush sought would be far more expensive than lawmakers knew.

    DoD spending

    The Department of Defense, already infamous for spending $640 for a toilet seat, once again finds itself under intense scrutiny, only this time because it couldn’t account for more than a trillion dollars in financial transactions, not to mention dozens of tanks, missiles and planes.

    J. Paul Bremmer

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Nearly $9 billion of money spent on Iraqi reconstruction is unaccounted for because of inefficiencies and bad management, according to a watchdog report published Sunday.

    An inspector general’s report said the U.S.-led administration that ran Iraq until June 2004 is unable to account for the funds.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Nineteenth Century Marxist economic thinking. Inability to understand the real relationship between capital and labor. Oh, well!

    You sure about that one? That book is against the Federal Reserve Bank. You know,..that entity that is not federal, not a reserve, and not a bank? Too much central planning for my tastes.

  • robert108

    The terrorist savages threaten to wipe us out, and rbb is whining about misspending of taxpayer money. All Dem admins have misspent taxpayer money. Get on your soapbox about that, rbb! At least deal with the murdering terrorists. Be a man!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    likwid: That was great!

    Yeah? Well, I’m about to e-mail you something then. Check your inbox in a few.

  • robert108

    likwid: “According to an ABC TV special…”
    Truthfully, I watched it(and laughed my ass off) sixteen years ago, and it could have been PBS, but it was a major network, with all the bells and whistles, earnestly doubting that our smart weapons wouldn’t work, so we really shouldn’t go to war against Saddam in 1990, because he was a really bad dude, his army was battle hardened after fighting Iran for eight years….blah, blah, blah. We finished them off in less than a month, as I remember. That was my main point. You know how much I love “preliminary reports”.

  • http://www.infowars.com/ TruthSayer

    While this video was, to say the least, entertaining, it’s ALL a lie! 9-11 was an INSIDE JOB!!

    How is it that out of 19 “alleged” terrorists, more than 5 have showed up ALIVE elsewhere in the world?

    How is it that the “alleged” hijackers could fly airliners like professionals when they were novice pilots, at best?

    How is it that some guys with “boxcutters” took over a plane piloted by experienced, “ex-military” pilots who could take care of themselves in a fight due to REAL wartime experiences?

    WAKE UP AMERICA!

    America is run by a small “elite” of power brokers that, by the way, Bush is one. His friggin family knows the Bin Laden family intimately. They have known each others families for over a decade (or more). They’ve invited them to their home in Kennybunkport, Maine.

    Search out that info and you’ll find plenty of evidence on the NET to Substantiate this!

    This “administration” had written “war plans” with Iraq for approximately a year before the “alleged” attack by Islamist radicals ocurred.

    There’s an old saying people; “Believe none of what you see, and half of what you hear”!!

    Governments are tyrannical by nature and OURS is NO DIFFERENT! Look at history and see MANY tyrannical, dictatorial governments who tried to make slaves of their populations. First they start with FEAR. Fear of some unseen “terrorists”. Then, when they have the people seeking more security and safety, they institute “gun bans”, “martial law”, and then the concentration camps follow.

    Look at Hitler and Germany, for one EXCELLENT example of a dictator who used fear, conspiracies, deception, false flag operations, psy ops, etc.

    Again, WAKE THE HELL UP before it’s too late and we, here in America, lose our beloved country to Globals Cabals seeking world domination and a world government – aka “A New World Order”!!!

    9-11 was an inside job!! It was “controlled demolition”, people . They had a crime scene there and what did they do to it even before an investigation started? They hired “CDI” to clean up and ship off the wreckage to foreign countries (like China for one) never to be seen again. By the way, ya know who “CDI” is? “Controlled Demolition Incorporated” folks!

    Do your damn homework instead of simply believing all this crap about Jihad. Sure, the events continued an Islamic jihad (of sorts) but, Jihad was already underway. Look at The USS Cole. Look at flight 800. Remember the bombing of the marine barracks that killed many of our boys and Oklahoma’s A. P. Murrah building where it was said for months afterwards that there were middle eastern men involved but not caught! John Doe number 2??? He don’t look NOTHING like who they got, Terry Nichols!!!

    WAKE UP!!!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    the victory against Hitler meant very sad thing: it taught Stalin to kill in order to achieve the desirable.

    Is this your underhanded way of admitting that the “talk about peace” idea didn’t work?

    Beside, millions of innocent Japanese citizens were killed in the name of this victory. Besides, this “victory” taught America to…

    It wasn’t a victory? Why the scare quotes?

    The victory on Hitler gave to the world the wrong idea that evil can win evil.

    How is that the “wrong idea”? It worked.

    me: ‘You must kill them’ – means you must confirm their idea that you are Satin

    What?

    me: You never will kill ALL of them. But as more fiersfully you try to do that, as more hatred they will pass to their generation. Let say you killed ALMOST all of them, just a few people-refugees survived. They start a new colony, and after three generation will send nuclear-suicide bombers into suspecting nothing happy America, and it will be the last day for 90% americans, including your descendents.

    Oh! So that’s what happened in Japan after WW2.

    Oh wait,…that’s not what happened. How do you explain this discrepancy?

    me: Well, R, sorry to say, but we have SOOOOOOO many disagreements in SOOOOOOO many life aspects, that it makes it hard to continua discussion just through logic. Though I really like you and pity, that your ideology does not allow you neither accept any other point of view…

    Neither does yours. You have a crazy idea that disarming and talking would work with those who want us dead. One word describes that kind of thinking – naive.

  • http://joscafe.come/ Jo

    Ordered myself a copy yesterday.

  • USA

    Tell ya what, Lets send this guy to the Middle East and watch them cut his head off.

  • robert108

    “the victory against Hitler meant very sad thing: it taught Stalin to kill in order to achieve the desirable.”

    Small prob. Stalin killed because of his adherence to Marxist ideology. He also killed in the thirties, before Hitler started his mass killings, way before we killed Hitler. You lack the moral sense of right and wrong, good and evil. Freedom is good, slavery is evil. Get it? When we killed the evil Hitler and the evil Tojo, it was not the same as when they killed millions to gain control and influence over the world. If you can’t see that, you are truly a disadvantaged person. Typical flawed leftie equivalency/moral relativism.

  • robert108

    That should be: “….earnestly doubting that our smart weapons would work…”

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    It is true, IMO, that we do have to have a shell of govt on some levels; the less, the better, and if there were no military threats in the world, probably unnecessary, but the ability to mobilize quickly does require some central govt.

    That requires a central bank?

    I figured you would be against the unaccountability and possible simple manipulation of the market. Best to leave these sorts of things to the free market.

  • loya

    While this video was, to say the least, entertaining, it’s ALL a lie! 9-11 was an INSIDE JOB!!

    How is it that out of 19 “alleged” terrorists, more than 5 have showed up ALIVE elsewhere in the world?

    How is it that the “alleged” hijackers could fly airliners like professionals when they were novice pilots, at best?

    How is it that some guys with “boxcutters” took over a plane piloted by experienced, “ex-military” pilots who could take care of themselves in a fight due to REAL wartime experiences?

    WAKE UP AMERICA!

    America is run by a small “elite” of power brokers that, by the way, Bush is one. His friggin family knows the Bin Laden family intimately. They have known each others families for over a decade (or more). They’ve invited them to their home in Kennybunkport, Maine.

    Search out that info and you’ll find plenty of evidence on the NET to Substantiate this!

    This “administration” had written “war plans” with Iraq for approximately a year before the “alleged” attack by Islamist radicals ocurred.

    There’s an old saying people; “Believe none of what you see, and half of what you hear”!!

    Governments are tyrannical by nature and OURS is NO DIFFERENT! Look at history and see MANY tyrannical, dictatorial governments who tried to make slaves of their populations. First they start with FEAR. Fear of some unseen “terrorists”. Then, when they have the people seeking more security and safety, they institute “gun bans”, “martial law”, and then the concentration camps follow.

    Look at Hitler and Germany, for one EXCELLENT example of a dictator who used fear, conspiracies, deception, false flag operations, psy ops, etc.

    Again, WAKE THE HELL UP before it’s too late and we, here in America, lose our beloved country to Global Cabals seeking world domination and a world government – aka “A New World Order”!!!

    9-11 was an inside job!! It was “controlled demolition”, people . They had a crime scene there and what did they do to it even before an investigation started? They hired “CDI” to clean up and ship off the wreckage to foreign countries (like China for one) never to be seen again. By the way, ya know who “CDI” is? “Controlled Demolition Incorporated” folks!

    Do your damn homework instead of simply believing all this crap about Jihad. Sure, the events continued an Islamic jihad (of sorts) but, Jihad was already underway. Look at The USS Cole. Look at flight 800. Remember the bombing of the marine barracks that killed many of our boys and Oklahoma’s A. P. Murrah building where it was said for months afterwards that there were middle eastern men involved but not caught! John Doe number 2??? He don’t look NOTHING like who they got, Terry Nichols!!!

    WAKE UP!!!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    loya – be original and write your own comment. Any more copy and pastes will be considered spam and treated as such.

  • Christ Message

    Hey, you sound just like one of those peace weenies right before WW2! You know the type, those people who were telling us that we couldn’t win a war against Hitler.
    How well did the “talk about peace” work back then?
    =========/
    the victory against Hitler meant very sad thing: it taught Stalin to kill in order to achieve the desirable. To kill without doubts. Millions were killed during the repressions, and Im not so sure, whether Hitler would kill more if he would win. Beside, millions of innocent Japanese citizens were killed in the name of this victory. Besides, this “victory” taught America to interfere to Belgrad, Irak, Vietnam, everywhere – what most likely would not happen, if Hitler would die by non-forced death as Stalin died. The victory on Hitler gave to the world the wrong idea that evil can win evil.
    ================================
    R: Message, did you get to watch and listen to that video? It basically follows my logic. How to you change someone who is convinced you are Satin and must be killed, it is their duty to kill us? You must kill them.
    me: ‘You must kill them’ – means you must confirm their idea that you are Satin
    R: Silly. So from your perspective it is better to let them first kill you, then they believe they killed Satin. Which is better? Better for them to be dead.
    R: Likewise, once they are dead, I don’t care anymore it the think Satin did it. That in fact is the only way for them to realize the truth – when they are dead, they will find they do not go to heaven. They will find Satin is really ready to welcome them
    me: You never will kill ALL of them. But as more fiersfully you try to do that, as more hatred they will pass to their generation. Let say you killed ALMOST all of them, just a few people-refugees survived. They start a new colony, and after three generation will send nuclear-suicide bombers into suspecting nothing happy America, and it will be the last day for 90% americans, including your descendents.
    R: You are wong. Civilization killed barbarians throughout history several times. The problem is the civilization has to come to grips with it, realize the problem, and deal with it. If France, Russia, etc, want to push peace, is it because they really want it or because they are afraid the oil will stop. Actually France and Russia are tainted because they want to get their investments into the oil. But what do they suffer? France now has had bombings, destruction, etc. We all need to get together and stop those that would stop at nothing to kill anyone that is different than islam
    me: Beside, after three generation American population will be almost 8-10 fold lower than now even without any suicide Muslim bombers because of the one-child-per-woman birthrate. While one survived soldier in Muslim world after American world attack will work day and night to conceive children from ALL survived women. And in 3 generation they will have 10^3 amount of new worriers per a male survivor.
    me: Do not say “France”, “Russia’ and etc. Say “France government”, “Russian government” etc. Aims of the governments were and are – the power and luxury, nothing to do with the aims and true feelings of the people, setteling their countries.
    R: k
    R: But sometimes the governments need to take actions in spite of popular belief to protect the public from themselves. Public wants no war = public gets annilated by many sneek bombs by terrorists. Government does an unpopular war against public desire but then keeps the war overseas, the enemy pinned down, and public lives happily but never understands how the government protected them by doing this
    me: Well, R, sorry to say, but we have SOOOOOOO many disagreements in SOOOOOOO many life aspects, that it makes it hard to continua discussion just through logic. Though I really like you and pity, that your ideology does not allow you neither accept any other point of view, neither even try to meet your opponent face to face to discuss it more often and in person – immediately when you feel that you MAY change your opinion, you say, that it is a Satan who tempts you and go away. I will not attempt to change yoru opinion through email, since I worked hard enough for 5 years to change somebody’s opinion through email and now I absolutely convinced, that without personal eye contact any email-discussion are the empty waste of time. You cannot convince anybody by email in anything, if his own life does not go through it.

  • Fr. Constantine J. Simones

    I can’t understand why this documentary is not shown on national television. I have known for a long time that our mortal enemy is radical Islam. Most Americans, on the other hand, are oblisious to the threat. We must wake up and marshal our forces to protect the Western world from Islamofacism. History is repeating itself. My father was part of the Greek army that liberated northern Greece from Islam in 1912. I am seventy-four years old and the old problem has reared its ugly head again.

    We must warn the world that we are in mortal danger of losing our heritage, our lives and our Judeo-Christian civilization.

    +Fr. Constantine J. Simones

  • http://iminsulted.blogspot.com/ bobocopy

    Realityboob is worried about misspending on defense, but do you think we could get him to criticize the $3 billion/day spending on MEdicare, Medicaid and Social Security? Spending that is growing at about 8% annually? Spending that is unsustainable and will eventually drag this country down?

    Oh no, he’s find [sic] with that sort of waste of tax payer dollars.

    Really? Where did he say that? Could you please cite the post or article where he said, “I’m fine with wasting money in the following ways…”

    The reality is that you are using what’s called a strawman argument. Again, Rob, you’re way smarter than to fall back on the debate tactics of middle schoolers and politicians.

    robert108 is also guilty of the same tactics. Saying that because rbb doesn’t want to spend money in the War on Terror he somehow condones terrorism is a fraudulent statement. (Likewise, claiming that because he supposedly doesn’t want to “deal with the murdering terrorists” he is somehow not a man is a middle school debate tactic.)

    Be reasonable. There is not a sane person in the world who condones terrorism. Conservatives, moderates, liberals, Republicans, Democrats, Christians, Jews, Muslims: in general, they don’t believe in terrorism.

    What people object to is sending off our greatest heroes (U.S. Troops) to fight a war that leads to us being the most hated nation in the world. What people object to is the lack of a preponderance of evidence for such a war. What people object to are the no-bid contracts that lead to the shell-games that rbb mentions above. What people object to is that we are being very selective of WHERE we fight this “War on Terror.” (Wouldn’t it make more sense for us to start with the terrorists who did the most damage? Saddam and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

    rbb’s objection is not to the War on Terror. He objects to fraud and mis-spent money. As a coincidence, the money is spent on a war he doesn’t believe in; that makes his argument no less valid.

    Puppies, Kittens and Liberal Love,
    bobocopy

  • robert108

    “R108 reacts like a poodle on linoleum running for the door when the mail is delivered.”

    Now, there’s a reply packed with substance. Nice refutation, rbb! Right up there with your usual stuff. When you have nothing, attack the other guy on a personal level.(or at least make a feeble attempt)

    “You and your ilk are fooling yourselves about this administrations capability to conduct foreign policy. They are failing miserably. Their policies are vulgar, disrespectful and day after day proven wrong.”

    Speaking of dreaming things up… What you really hate about today’s reality(and the reason you try to distract from it) is that we are succeeding, which protects your disloyal butt as well. Your ability to spew your lies on this blog comes from innumerable patriots shedding their blood for your right to speak out your ideas. Try saying that about the administration in Iran, or Venezuela, or on the Daily Kos. Just give it a try.

  • Christ Message

    S wrote:
    I grew up in India in a Hindu family, in a city with a predominantly Muslim culture, and did all my schooling in Catholic Schools, where the students were predominantly Hindus and Muslims. An attempt to learn to recite the Gita at a Hindu temple, brought some interesting insights into the minds of the so-called Hindu fanatics – they would make us say a prayer that was as follows:

    Om tatsad Sri Narayan tu, Purushottam Guru tu,
    Siddha Buddha tu, Skandha Vinayaka, Savita Pavak Tu,
    Brahma Mazda tu, Yehova Shakti tu, Isha-pita prabhu tu.
    Rudra Vishnu tu, Rama Krishna tu, Rahimta ho tu,
    Vasudeva go-vishwarupa tu, Chidananda Hari tu,
    Advitiya tu, Akala Nirbhaya, Atmaling Shiva tu.

    The essential message is one of the unity of God, irrespective of the systems of faith. I have underlined references to Buddha, Ahur-Mazda, Yehova, and the Lord the father of Christ, as well as Rahim. I found this quite contrary to my expectations of the people who were behind these classes, who I saw as intolerant custodians of Hinduism.

    Subsequently, I have had deep intimate relationships with Jews (she lives in Israel now), and Christians (my best-friend in India has found Christ) as well as other minor faiths as I have travelled around the world. In my experience, all faiths have indisputably provided the warmest and wonderful human beings in all domains of life. Through all the exposure at school, in the city, and India and the world in general, I met some of the most beautiful people. I count them among my dearest friends and my most treasured memories. I would not want any harm to come to them in the disguise of fanaticism of any kind.

    I was not religious when young and in later years thought that if I ever considered belonging to a formal religion it might be Buddhism. I do not subscribe to a single school of thought now, having realized the inadequacy of any single system of thought to address the human condition. So any attempt to find an explanation in faith systems for the differences in Human beings is I think futile. All systems of faith have different origins. Conditions of those times and places have clearly shaped their original structure. Further, these are living systems, adapting to and modified by history (Read Karen Armstrong and the History of God).

    People are smart enough to realize that as far as the human condition goes, the relationship to the spiritual does not address relationships to family, other people, nations, nature etc. And they have over time found answers that work, because a culture and a society based on negative traits is incapable of providing welfare and ensuring their own survival and growth. (Read Non-Zero for example).

    Islamic systems which are being criticized in this debate here, have evidence of incredibly successful societies, the originators of some early scientific and social advances, which we have adopted and forgotten. Those beautiful remnants of architecture that we see, for example, that speak of the creativity of a culture cannot originate from a society bent on destruction. Why are we surprised if the modern sytems of thought do not have any place for the early developments and contributions of other societies and cultures? There is proof for example of the debt of Greek thought to Indian and middle-eastern thought, purely through the commerce and interchange that happened in the courts of the Middle East. Of course many in the west would not want to think anything good or useful ever came from there. It is not to say all in the west are like that. What I want to bring your attention to, is that systems of Power exploit and manipulate in different ways, to distort our understanding of what really happened.

    So while these systems of thought, Islamic, Hindu, Christian, Jewish have provided a long and enduring source of answers to the Human relationship to the Spiritual world, in other domains people have adopted other worldviews to address situations they have encountered around the world and historically. Of course there have been people who have used religion to further their interests in power. One can then twist the meaning of anything to serve their own interest.

    Does Krishna’s message to Arjuna, to kill relatives who oppose him a justification to kill all opposition in a Dharmayuddha – a Sanskrit term that could loosely be interpreted by the vile-minded to mean something like jihad (in modern interpretation), justify war against non-believers?

    Interpretations are infinite, and are made to suit our current biases. Going beneath the superficial, and going behind the assumptions is the responsibility of those who want to bring about lasting change and truly solve wicked problems.

    The problem of terrorism is a wicked problem. It is intricate and has too many complications, not just of faith, but history, power, economics, politics and so on. As many texts as there are on Islamic terrorism, you will find an equal number on how there might be a case against the state of Israel, or that the state practices a form of apartheid against its Arab citizens and so on. And these are written by Jewish authors too. (do a Google search to begin). There are other horses from whose mouths other truths come.

    Before we label an entire culture terrorist, remember that the largest Muslim countries in the world are not in the Middle East – Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Think about the legacy of the British imperialist policies of divide and rule, and what it has done to the Indian sub-continent. Think about what they might have been thinking at the time of the Palestine partition. Think about the fallacy of blaming the Christians through history blaming the Jews for something that was done 2000 years ago. Think also of the argument for a homeland based on equally old texts. How is an Arab not a Palestinian but somebody from Hungary is an Israeli? Who in modern history inflicted utter horrors on Jews and what have they done to compensate and expiate their crimes against humanity? What gave someone the right to carve out someone’s homes from a land, even if they had been there for only a couple of generations, to fulfill some promise of antiquity? How can such states then deny others who use antiquated texts as justification for their actions?

    When the Berlin wall was still up, there was a graffiti there that said – “Those who build bunkers, throw bombs”…. I cannot help but think about the relevance of that statement in today’s context. We build walls to keep others out, real and imagined ones, and then complain how the others do not understand us. This is happening all over the world, I think.

    At the personal level, let us practice what Michael Beck suggested.

    At the social and political level let us not be naive, and take the time to get under the superficial. I do not know enough, but I know now that these problems are wickedly complicated. Every side has some justification. I also know that the problem cannot be solved by prejudice, by labeling an entire people as terrorist or prone to violence. You would then have sided with the people who find reason for ethnic hatred, enslaving others, Aryan-brotherhood, crusades etc, in other documents of faith. These labels come back to bite us. The first step to peace is to drop them from our own minds.

    I think if you truly believe in solving something, then you might want to consider selfless, desire-less listening. Some over here think highly of Gandhi. One Jewish proponent of peace considered him to be one of the best Jews to emulate. Gandhi himself has responded by saying I am a Hindu, a Muslim and Christian. One of his most popular prayers begins with “Allah tero naam….”, your name is Allah and so on. And he also said – “You must be the change you want to see in this world”. And that does not mean we have to put our lives on line in the Middle East to prove this.

    We can start with putting the right people in power to represent us everywhere, people who do not believe that the solution to all problems in the world lies in imposing their system of beliefs or in military solutions. People whose lives are not dependent on the growth of defense industry sales, who do not need to create a perpetual fear of terrorism for them to stay in power, who do not need an excuse to pollute so that the oil industry and the auto industry might flourish, who will not distort the legitimate rights of people by corrupting systems of power, just so they can have unlimited and unfair access to sources of energy and so on, who will give others a voice just as much as they give us a voice.

    Oh, well…. I have work to do myself.

    cheers
    S

  • robert108

    Here’s kitten site for you:

    Very cute!

    http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/

  • http://iminsulted.blogspot.com/ bobocopy

    bobocopy: You see, rbb isn’t worried about misspending on defense.

    Please cite a quote by rbb or provide further evidence.

    He is trying to sell the leftie lie that the war on terror isn’t really about terrorists(they don’t really exist, in his leftie world),

    As a leftie, I beg to differ. I have no problem with a hypothetical War on Terror. It is the methodology of this War on Terror with which I have a problem.

    it’s about “war for oil” or “war profiteering”.

    Do you not see how people could believe that those factors at least contributed to the war in Iraq?

    I’m not saying they were the sole reason for the war, but do you think we invaded because of WMDs? I won’t go so far as to say they don’t exist, but the evidence thus far suggests that at the time we invaded, our leaders were lying to us about how much evidence they had.

    Do you think we invaded because of Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda? I’m sure you know this, but Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The War on Terror and the the war in Iraq are competely separate entities.

    I will compeltely agree with you that I don’t think this thread was the place to bring up the misspending. I will also agree that rbb was using a common and unfair debate tactic: changing the subject.

  • USA Citizen

    Every American should at least see this and make up his mind. Its either then or us. I prefer us.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    According to an ABC TV special…

    ABC you say? Osama and Hussein are connected says ABC in 1999.

  • robert108

    bobocopy: You just don’t get it. In your lust(?) to defend rbb, you omit the most important fact: He brought up his whine about Republican misspending on a thread about murdering terrorists. Of all the replies he could have made, he chose to ignore the subject completely and to launch a completely irrelevant partisan attack. Rob and I called him on his distractive shite, as we should have. rbb is trying to distract attention from the obvious savagery and real threat of terrorism to attack a target more in his agenda. Talk about straw man tactics! RBB is the champ at that one, btw.

  • realitybasedbob

    R108 reacts like a poodle on linoleum running for the door when the mail is delivered.
    You and your ilk are fooling yourselves about this administrations capability to conduct foreign policy. They are failing miserably. Their policies are vulgar, disrespectful and day after day proven wrong.

    And just where did I say any of the things you just dreamed up, r?

  • robert108

    “I will also agree that rbb was using a common and unfair debate tactic: changing the subject.”

    “I agree with you.”

    A sliver of honesty from you, rbb. Congratulations! That was my entire point in the first place.

  • robert108

    bobocopy: You see, rbb isn’t worried about misspending on defense. He is trying to sell the leftie lie that the war on terror isn’t really about terrorists(they don’t really exist, in his leftie world), it’s about “war for oil” or “war profiteering”. You see, he has to distract from this video, because it reveals the truth about terrorists. He doesn’t want you to see that, he wants you to look somewhere else, anywhere else but at the truth. If you know the truth, he can no longer sell his partisan lies.

  • W.R. Marconda

    The uneducated people of the world look to leaders for instruction and tend to believe that a leader is all wise, has all knowledge and actually communicates with his God on a personal level unknown to the uninitiated. The left tends to believe that their is some special power granted only to the left that makes them all wise, all knowing. The educated left leads the uneducated into eventual oblivion. The educated left knows how to keep themselves from becoming a martyr however. You don’t see the Sheiks, Ayatollahs, Bin Ladens or Zarkawis “sticking thier necks out” for the sake of Allah. Instead they cower in tunnels (holes) in the earth, in religious buoildings and behind the bodies of women and children…all the while knowing that Christian westerner Christians would not slaughter innocents to simply get at the animals that call themselves Hezbullah. Hezbullah counts on this trait of Christians to stay effective and alive. They are nothing more than traitorous cowards, afraid to make it known just how cowardly they are.

    In my opinion and as far as I am concerned, every muslim is a potential target since every muslim swears unwavering allegiance to Allah and Allahs minions. They should NEVER be trusted and watched closely. Your muslim neighbor my also want to be your executioner.

  • robert108

    likwid: We do have a system based on free market activity, which is why I call the govt a “shell”. I’m not an idealist, and I like the free enterprise system because it doesn’t require ideological perfection to operate effectively. As a matter of fact, those who require ideological perfection are the enemy. Individualism is the opposite of perfectionism. Most of the govt structures are to our advantage, believe it or not. It always needs to be limited, but it is necessary.

  • Rockhard

    Excellent video – should be hsown on television and NOT necessarily on cable.

    Marian Panzer on July 31, 2006 at 3:33 PM

    Exelent Idea, It will never Happen. CBS,NBC, CNN and all the other are more concerned with Humiliateing a poor Murdering Terrorist by putting a pair off panties on his head. The Main Stream Media is on the side of the Muslims (Death Cult)

  • robert108

    I favor nukes, myself.

  • Tempermant

    We need to stop argueing with each other and start seeing what is happening in this world. All of this is in the bible, the end times. Read and see prophecy unfolding right before your eyes. This war started back in Abrahams day, when Isaac and Ishmael was born.(Gen 17:19) Isaac the father of Isreal and us, and Ishmael the father of the Palestinian people.
    This war is ancient and it will affect America, The bible states that there will be a one world government and a one world religion. This one world religion will cut off your head if you do not join and worship the beast. What does muslims do is you are not a muslim,,,,cut off your head!!!!!
    We need to be watchful and alert to what is happening around us…pray, put on the whole armour of God.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene Redlin

    There is a prophecy that says Nuclear war will begin in the middle east on Wednesday. Aug 2, 2006.

    Read about it here.

    I’m not staying up nights worrying about it. It will happen or not no matter what.

    But, it gives one cause to ponder.

  • robert108

    bobocopy: The last time I held hands with a guy was on a battlefield, and here’s a hint: I wasn’t the one who was dying. Don’t be so anxious about the handholding thing, if you get my drift.

  • http://www.infowars.com/ TruthSayer

    YOU ARE NOTHING BUT SHEEP IF YOU HAVE SUCH BLIND FAITH IN AN ADMINISTRATION THAT PROMISED TO LOWER TAXES AND DIDN’T(WHICH WE SHOULDN’T EVEN PAY – IT WAS NEVER RATIFIED IN CONGRESS).

    GO ONE WITH YOUR RHETORIC ABOUT NUKING THE WHOLE MIDDLE-EAST. THAT’S NOTHING BUT “FEAR” TALKIN, BUB! THE SAME FEAR I REFERRED TO IN AN EARLIER POST THAT YOU JUST CAN’T GET. SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE BLIND AS HELL. NOT UNLIKE THE GERMAN JEWS WHO THOUGHT THEY TOO WOULD BE SAFE DUE TO CITIZENSHIP.

    WAKE UP BEFORE YOU END UP IN A GAS CHAMBER LIKE THEY DID.

    NEVER GIVE UP YOUR GUNS!!!!!!!

  • realitybasedbob

    I will also agree that rbb was using a common and unfair debate tactic: changing the subject.

    I agree with you.

  • robert108

    CM: Trying to wade through you writing style is daunting, but I think I get a little bit of what you are trying to express; I just think it’s foolish, and a misinterpretation of the teachings of Christ. Even Mahatma Ghandi admitted in his biography that if he had tried what he did on anyone other than the British, he would have failed miserably. To have a civilized dialogue, you have to have civilized people on both sides, and that is not happening here. The savages who would strap bombs on children are not to be talked to, no matter how much you would like to avoid conflict with them.

  • Christ Message

    Please compare those two paragraphs, one sent to me by one of my opponents, and another – the paragraf from Koran, sent to me by another opponent. I do not see much difference between them. Do you? No. Both passionately want to kill people of another believe. So, we are not better than them! Why we are if we want to kill them same cruelly, wiping away even their children???Yes, they are wrong and do not have an excuse for killing, but same wrong we are and do not have an excuse for killing. And still we do, and interfere to the lands which are thousands miles away from us, and kill people NOT FOR OUR OWN DEFENCE, but to convert people to our believe, to our understanding of “justice”, by fear, by bombing, by very same Muslim approach – “if you do not accept our way of justice, we bomb you on your own land and we kill you” .


    me: you can’t kill them ALL. Each fallen soldier has 5 to 10 children who will dream to revenge for his father after they are adult. You do not invite to kill children, do you?
    he: our “softness” makes things worse. They are breed to hatred since birth. We must kill them ALL.
    me: oh, you do, sorry.
    ==========================================

    Koran 8:37
    In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
    The “All-Merciful Allah” is now specifically instructing all “peace-loving Muslims” to heap up a mountain of corpses of the non believers. Of course, in order to do this holy task for Allah, the Muslim must first go out and attack innocent Non-Muslims and massacre them so that Allah’s wishes are fulfilled. Allah seems to have an inexhaustible thirst for the blood of innocents. Note that the reason given to massacre non-believers is that “Allah may seperate the Impure from the Pure”. It has nothing to do with self-defense or protection as Muslims try to argue.

  • robert108

    “Federal Reserve: Fraud of the Century
    http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=108

    Nineteenth Century Marxist economic thinking. Inability to understand the real relationship between capital and labor. Oh, well!

  • http://iminsulted.blogspot.com/ bobocopy

    You’re a literalist, aren’t you? I don’t at all mean this as an insult; I just seel that maybe you suffer from something like Asperger’s syndrome that prevents you from understanding that not every word every person on the Internet says should be taken at face value all the time. Sometimes, strangers lie. Sometimes, people joke. Sometimes, there is a different semantic meaning than literal meaning to the words people use.

    When I asked what made you so sure I was a dude, I wasn’t witholding the fact that I was a male. I was simply making light of the Internet’s anonymity and the assumptions we make about the people we interact with.

    When I said that I was a wishy-washy liberal, I wasn’t witholding the fact that I was a male. I was simply making light of my fellow liberals with a light-hearted joke.

    When I said we could all go back to being friends and holding hands, I wasn’t suggesting that people who hold hands should not be allowed to do so, nor was I suggesting that we should literally hold hands. I was simply making light of the fact that this blog is rife with people hurling insults at one another, so to have a moment where people aren’t (angrily and anonymously) saying rude things to one another was a relief.

    To say that someone is scared of his masculinity because he doesn’t start every post with, “BY THE WAY I’M A MAN” is a bit of a stretch. (And before you criticize, I’m using hyperbole here to illustrate a point; I’m not actually implying that you literally suggested I do that.)

    (Absolutely all kidding aside: if you are truly a veteran, as you claim to be [I believe you], I wish you all the best. There is not a greater hero in this country than a person who is willing to lay down his life to stand for what the country was founded on. Sincerely, I salute you.)

    Let’s not be angry. I truly respect what you have to say. I didn’t come here to insult you or your beliefs. I came here for a real discussion and to deal in honest debate tactics. So far that’s what I’ve gotten, today. If it’s all the same to you, I’d really rather not sling personal insults or call into question the masculinity of others. Sound good?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Listen to this robert108. It’s just a small MP3 file I uploaded the other day.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    “Christ Message” continues to vomit in this comment thread, What do those people go through now – is this very same kind of psychotic disease – mass psychosis. Which is a very infectious disease, and its danger increases tremendously in time of total despair.

    Let’s kill it!

    You cant heal it by weapon, this only aggravates it.

    Sure you can. Dead is dead dude.

    Can you imagine the crazy woman standing on the 5-th floor open window with her children on her arms?

    To be really analogous, the crazy bitch’s kids would have bombs strapped onto them and she would be telling them to walk to me.

    Would you talk to her with a gun in your hands or with the soothing softness?

    Blow that crazy bitch away!

    If you can’t talk with them, why do not you ask Indian people? They have much longer history of accommodating to different religions.

    Yeah,..how are those Muslims treating the Indians? Not so well, are they? Kind of blows your message away, doesn’t it?

    Now answer honestly, “Christ Message”.

  • Christ Message

    savages who would strap bombs on children are not to be talked to,
    =====
    but be saved WITH their children, not be killed WITH their children.
    ———-/
    Did not you heard from psychiatrists that very often the mother of young children (America, European Christian does not matter) – being in psychotic state close to suicide (left or mistreated by her husband or lover for example) first kills her children?
    Sounds terrible, ea? Disgusting. But that is what some people do independently on their believe, if they are on despair. What do those people go through now – is this very same kind of psychotic disease – mass psychosis. Which is a very infectious disease, and its danger increases tremendously in time of total despair. You cant heal it by weapon, this only aggravates it. Can you imagine the crazy woman standing on the 5-th floor open window with her children on her arms? Would you talk to her with a gun in your hands or with the soothing softness?
    If you can’t talk with them, why do not you ask Indian people? They have much longer history of accommodating to different religions.

  • Christ Message

    To be a “Christian” is to never help anybody with military “interenference into foreign countries”.

    Thanks for the new definition.
    =================================/
    You welcome
    ————-

    Care to explain how you came up with this new definition?
    =======================

    1/At Jesus’ birth, the angels sang: “Glory to God in the highest and on earth PEACE, GOOD WILL toward men (Luke 2:14).
    2/He told Peter who cut off the ear of the high priest’s servant, “Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword” (Matt 26:52).
    3. while dying He prayed for those who mocked and crucified Him: “Father forgive them for they know not what the do!” (Luke 13:34).
    4.You have heard that it was said (By Moses and Jewish God-CM), “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.” But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    ===========================/
    So, do you want it or not, if you consider yourself Christian, you must protect a sufferer or help free a slave BY DISARMED HANDS (if you can), otherwise your are not Christian.
    You may think that killing one in order to save 100 is good, – then you may be right or not right, – but you are CERTAINLY NOT CHRISTIAN. So, choosing for blood and bombing you must honestly announce in front of the whole world that you withdraw yourself from Christianity, before you started the war

  • robert108

    likwid: That was great! I remember hearing all kinds of stuff like this during the nineties, but Clinton never acted on it. It’s good to get the precise facts, as usual. I have always known the lefties were lying about the “no connection” BS.

  • gilbyguy

    Gee thanx for the rosey outlook for the week Gene … does this mean I should max out my credit card?

  • http://iminsulted.blogspot.com/ bobocopy

    Great! Now we can all go back to holding hands, being friends and talking about our feelings.

  • bill

    Where can I get a copy of this video?

  • robert108

    Gene: If this is true, then advantage us. We have the best arsenal and the best delivery systems.

  • Paul D.

    Since these extremists only have courage to fight when they are using innocent civilians as human shields (by firing their rockets from within their own communities)(surrounded by people who are predominately similarly brainwashed) – or – by inflicting their wrath on unarmed civilians – there are those that would (somewhat convincingly) argue that the only way to combat this threat is to “nuke’em all & let God sort them out”…

    Sadly, even this won’t work. Although, it does have its merits…

    This video should be required homework for all network executives. Perhaps one of them might have the cahones to shrug off the politically correct suits they’re all wearing and give the rest of the nation the info we need to properly understand and combat this malignantly cancerous human “growth”..

  • dalco

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003911

    (WALL STREET JOURNAL)

    REVIEW & OUTLOOK

    The New Ground Zero
    What’s that about no link between Saddam and terrorism?
    Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT

  • Danmo43

    All I know is I’ve had this funny feeling for the past few months and have been loading up on guns and ammo. I don’t know exactly what’s coming, but this ‘funny feeling’ tells me it’s not going to be good and it’s going to be right here. For a while I thought it might come from the illegal aliens, but I’m not quite positive that’s it.

    Get ready, folks. America is not a country someone can take over by taking Wahington, DC. It’s each individual they will have to defeat.

    Well, except for the liberals. They’re gone anyway.

    GOD bless America!

  • Christ Message

    Hindu wrote:
    Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:33:37 -0500
    From: “M” To: “r”
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Important

    I would rate this video a 3/10. Very very poorly orchestrated and more of a propaganda tool than a well-balanced documentary.

    It doesnt present any original, objective views based on an indepth original research and analysis, but a very shallow ideologically biased set of opinions of some pompous middle-eastern “experts”. The “daughter of a shaheed” and the “former PLO terrorist” both look like Hirsi Ali wannabes to me.

    This video provokes a feeling of disbelief in me, since I cannot comprehend the amount of ignorance of these so-called experts shown there… none of them can barely pronounce an Arabic, Persian or Urdu word (atleast one of the three languages are spoken by around 1 billion or 90% of total muslim population in the world) and yet, claim “expertise” in the diverse muslim world’s cultural mileu and hand out lofty judgements based on some of the videos they show on Arab TV ??

    The language used by Hassan Nasrallah maybe a bit incisive, but not much different from the rants of Rush Limbaugh or Pat Robertson.

    When Rev. Robertson calls for the assassination of Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, how is it any different from the assassination rants of Al-Zarqawi of Ariel Sharon ?

    Both sides are not too different here and have their own disturbing brand of extremsists.

    And the harsh truth is– the so-called “Radical Islam” is nothing but a tool which world powers have always used to manipulate each other since the creation of Israel after WW-II.

    US has earlier used radical islam as a tool to beat soviets by supplying sophisticated arms and equipment to jihadists, who later became Talibaan.

    Now Russia is trying to warm up to Iran along with China, to pay back to US in the same coin.

    I just hope fewer babies are murdered by both sides in this so-called this “War on Terror” against “radical Islam” or whatever. After witnessing the Qana or Beslan massacres, its hard to justify actions of one side or the other openly anyway.

    I’m just too cynical about this whole fight against terrorism, because no side has the right to claim “moral supremacy” here as both of them are guilty of doing some very heinous things for quite a while now.

    thanks,
    H

  • dalco

    Christ message (which by the way I question the depth, meaning, use, context and sincerity of your name):

    You go first.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    See a a pattern?

    The pattern: blame America.

  • Tim Caso

    To bobcopy –

    Your argument that our prosecuting the war in Iraq has made us the most hated nation in the worls is fallicious at best. You assume that our actions have spawned their hatred and, hence, their terrorist acts. How do you then explain terrorist acts before our invasion? Terrorist acts were rampant during Clinton’s appeasement years. Remember – he had Yassir Arafat to the White House more times than almost any other foreign leader. Radical Islam existed long before our invasion of Iraq. They simply see “The West” as their enemy and seek to destroy us any way possible.
    Your assertion that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 attempts to shift the argument and misses the point entirely – perhaps deliberately. Iraq was exporting terrorism, had acquired weapons of mass destruction (read General Georges Sada’s book if you doubt that), and had a number of terrorist training camp dotting its landscape. This doesn’t take into account the pervasive rape and mass murder that took place during Hussein’s reign. Obviously, we needed to take out this threat. Incidentally, we did not need an “excuse” to invade Iraq as their repeated violations of the UN resolutions after the first Gulf War (i.e., shooting at our aircraft) was enough to justify another invasion. Too bad you libs don’t know your history. Or do you just ignore it?

  • juggernaught

    Cancer needs to be erradicated prior to it killing you! Islamic fundamentalists are a cancer that need to be removed from this earth, else they will devour us. It is impossible to fight an enemy that is willing to kill itself, without us being united. This is not about Republican spending or Democrats getting BJ’s. This is about the way we live our lives in the west. Our European “allies” are in serious problems with over 30m muslims living in their communities. If the estimate on the show is correct (15% are fundamentalist) then there are close to 5m fundamentalists in Europe – so Europe can kiss its ass goodbye. Again, Amercia will have to bail Europe out, but lets ensure that at home we are unified to fight this cancer!!

  • http://www.ds-sd.com/ Ed Galicki

    I am grateful to see this posting about radical Islam – I have followed the progress of these lunatics for many years through Zola Levitt Presents, a show that has revealed this information for about the last 20 years, telling the truth where the ‘media’ has refused and refused. This is most convenient to forward around for more people to see, which is probably the only way many people will become aware of the danger we now face. I wish there were a way to force the media to reveal things they refuse to reveal – or hold them responsible for deaths and destruction that comes about due to their irresponsible and treasonous behavior.

  • http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org/ Joe

    You can’t win those who dream to die in the war against America. You cant by any violent weapon. As more you fight them, as more hatred you get.

    That’s just great. Tell that to the religious social workers who went in to Iraq with an “understanding” of the insurgents and terrorists and who ended up being taken hostage or killed themselves!

    The naivitae of the anti-war movement is stunning and, unfortunately, also very dangerous to the well-being of the Western world.

    Let us hope that this contingent never achieves political power in this country (via majority rule of Congress or winning the White House).

    The Israeli’s tried a more pacifist approach by turning to Ehud Olmert who offered land for peace. In return he saw attacks launched against Israel by Hezbollah and Hamas.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    “Christ Message” bastardizes the message, So you choose whether you bomb Khirosima/Nagasaki/Belgrad/Vietnam/Iraq – then you believe in Juish destructive God, which is not better than islamic God AT ALL,
    or you vote AGAINST military interenference into foreign countries – and then, only then you are Christian

    So to be a “Christian” is to sit back and watch evil regimes run supreme over their subjects. To be a “Christian” is to never help free a slave from his chains. To be a “Christian” is to never help anybody with military “interenference into foreign countries”.

    Thanks for the new definition.

    Care to explain how you came up with this new definition?

  • http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org/ Joe

    So, we are not better than them!

    Christ: You obviously do not see yourself better than them given your rationales and explanations as to why we should surrender to the forces of Islamic terrorism.

    Neville Chamberlain would certainly be proud of you!

  • TruthSayer

    What’s the matter? Too damn lazy – eh! I thought so. Yer probably too damn stupid to know how to copy-n-paste em – eh, Moron!!

    edit from likwidshoe – No, I am quite aware on how to copy and paste. Please tone down your attitude.

  • Maria

    Great job done on this video. We are at danger of being taken over by these radical Islamics. However, I blame the government a lot. Why arent they doing more about this. Why arent Americans and others not being told/educated about this? That makes me more angry than these terrorists? Very well said about the west coast in regards to all those in Hollywood that cant see beyond their nose….IF and only IF the west coast had been terrorized like the east coast was on 9/11, would they get their head out of their asses and be against these terrorist and want the government to do something about …….not blame Bush for it. This government is suppose to be for US the people…..we should have imput on all this as a nation.

  • robert108

    bobocopy: So far, we haven’t had any semantic misunderstandings. You seem to be a bit of a “literalist” yourself, btw. To my way of thinking, we have had differences in our way of thinking, not semantic differences at all. To me, it seems disingenuous to imply that someone is suffering from a mental illness because they speak the truth as they know it, and I wonder what you were trying to accomplish by your statement. I don’t use any such debate tactics, and won’t, no matter what ones you might use. By trying to label me so, you distracted from giving a substantive response, which is very poor debate, unless you don’t have a substantive response; then it’s understandable. I run into this tactic from lefties all the time. They try to substitute smear and personal attack for substantive argument. If you differ with me on the facts of any matter, please say so, but personal attacks will avail you nothing with me.

    No, I won’t loan you a dollar, no matter how you ask me. ;-)

  • robert108

    According to an ABC TV special at the time, we couldn’t beat Saddam in 1990, either. According to them, our smart weapons wouldn’t work. Nice. See, lefties are fear-based, and Conservatives aren’t. Lefties are anticipating a loss, Conservatives want to win.

  • Maria

    Who and why is the video being yanked from this website? And thanks for the tip on where to order it!

  • louisenae

    Excellent job on the movie comparing Islam Radicals to Nazi Germany. I think though the movie at this time only preaches to the choir. I can’t understand why more people don’t see the threat to America and non-muslims. Michael Moore sure doesn’t see it.
    But I do. And I will stand tall against it. God Bless America!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Generally Lik doesn’t mince words so it’s perhaps unwise to translate his stuff.

    Oh no, that was me. I was letting “TruthSayer” there know that I do know how to copy and paste and really didn’t appreciate that comment in response to my helpful suggestion.

    You think he got the point?

  • http://www.prisonplanet.com/ TruthSayer
  • realitybasedbob

    With all due respect Rube, please show me where I have ever written that we should not fight terrorist.

  • Maria

    One more thing…….these extremist groups should NOT be allowed to burn our flag on our soil and chant “Death to America” and “America has a loop hole in its law, the freedom of speech” they should be arrested and sent back to where they came from and NEVER be allowed to come back.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Make clickable links man!

    Good grief.

  • http://iminsulted.blogspot.comi/ bobocopy

    Yeah, that kitten link is one of my favorites. Great find. I just finished showing it to my wife.

    Just so you know, I really didn’t mean to insult you at all. I don’t consider a mental illness to be the fault of the person suffering from it, and most of the people I’ve met with Asperger’s (my two brothers, plus many others) are very literal-minded. I give you kudos for saying exactly what you mean, and I apologize for offending you.

    You say:

    but I am not obligated to interpret your remarks, for any reason.

    Begging to differ. By the Rules of Conversation (part of the set of rules debate is built on), you really are required to attempt to interpret the semantic meaning of what I say. If I’m being unreasonable (it happens very often) and I say you’ve ludicrously misinterpreted what I’ve said, then we have a miscommunication. If you haven’t even tried to look at the semantic meaning of what I’ve said, you’re at fault. If I say something ridiculous or hard to interpret, I’m completely at fault. So, if you have a hard time interpreting what I say (I wander a lot and mis-use parenthetical phrases [like this]), you have the right to ask, and I don’t get to treat you poorly for trying to interpret what I’m saying. Rules of Conversation, yo.

    Whether you realize it or not, that is asking me to take care of you, and that’s not my job.

    And so we approach the precipice of the slippery slope. Asking you to at least try to interpret meaning in what I say before you criticize my words is not unreasonable.

    Ex: I’m from MN. Out here, people say, “Will you borrow me a dollar?” when they mean, “Will you lend me a dollar.” It would be ridiculous if every time I heard someone ask me to “borrow” them something, I assumed they wanted to borrow something from me. Having a real context for the mis-use, I could ask them what they really meant or I could infer that their semantic meaning was that they wanted me to lend them a dollar.

    Good retort, on your part. I hope this helps us better understand one another.

  • W.R. Marconda

    I would point out to those of you that claim to be christians and advocate the use of kindness and consideration for the enemies of Christianity even in the face of eminent destruction that God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit do not advocate such actions. God kills!…on purpose…and tells us to fear him!! Jericho comes to mind right off the bat. Joshua was charged to have his men tramp around the walls of Jericho which he did and the walls “came tumbling down” and Joshuas army won the day…not with flowers and offerings of monetary help and understanding but with death and destruction. You folks had better wise up real quick or you are going to become a statistic amongst the tortured/murdered in the worls. Islam is a dangerous religion regardless of who is practicing it and Christians and other “infidels” are the target of it destructive powers. Beware.

  • Christ Message

    God was destructive BEFORE Christ
    This is a Juish God. Revengeous and bloody.
    Christ came to change the rool “dent for dent eye for eye” and to declare peace and love to your enemy.
    So you choose whether you bomb Khirosima/Nagasaki/Belgrad/Vietnam/Iraq – then you believe in Juish destructive God, which is not better than islamic God AT ALL,
    or you vote AGAINST military interenference into foreign countries – and then, only then you are Christian

  • Maria

    Ok, this is the thing. According the readings in the Bible, God was a jealous and vengeful God. He destroyed those that did wrong or were against His “people”. Christ, His son was the total opposite; he taught love, kindness and patience. He never hurt anyone; he healed the sick and helped the poor. Loved the children! MORE SO, Christ came to preach God’s word which was to SPREAD the Gospel so that everyone would know it, accept (maybe) and turn to God and be Christ like. The only negative thing was that if you did not accept God’s word, you would not go to heaven in the life after;that would be the punishment You would not be killed, murdered or slaughtered. Now with Allah and the teaching of the Koran; if you are not a believer, you are in “infidel” they are taught to HATE YOU, not convert you. Killing the infidels is the way to go with these extremist. So, is religion to blame? Is God to blame for giving Israel land? Because that has always been a fight.

    These extremist have infiltrated out country and soon will wage war on us HERE on our land. 911 will be nothing when they start attacking us in numerous cities throughout our country. Who is to say that this current attack/war is an excuse to begin things here.

    Why don’t we just go over, carpet bomb their asses and eliminate them like cockroaches? Will that solve the problem? And we can take over the oil too. How does that sound? Sound harsh? Do you think if the US was not the super power it is said to be, they would not have done that already to us? If not, think again.

  • realitybasedbob

    What the war on terror is really about…part two

    BAGHDAD — The U.S. agency in charge of $1.4 billion in reconstruction money in Iraq used an accounting shell game to hide cost overruns on its projects in Iraq and knowingly withheld information on schedule delays from Congress, a federal audit has found.

  • robert108

    Yeah, like the “War On Poverty” started by LBJ(the peace candidate). It’s trillions and counting, and no discernable reduction in poverty. Nice cherry-picking, rbb. He’s not partisan; oh, no!

  • Mark

    I believe this is an extremly well done documentry on what is happening around and to us. This should be made avalible to the public through television, maybe PBS will present it, oh yeah, never mind.
    Anyway I will forward this to everybody I know and hope it will stir some feelings to do what we can to stop these radicals. M

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    “realitybased”bob spits, What the war on terror is really about…part two

    It’s “really about” fraud? Did you miss the teams of Muslims who blow themselves up in public?

    WOW, I see it really riles up the poodles when fair criticism of the “fiscally responsible” gop make the news.

    Don’t be an idiot. What we “poodles” object to is the moonbat position that this war is about fraud.

    You and your ilk are fooling yourselves about this administrations capability to conduct foreign policy. They are failing miserably. Their policies are vulgar, disrespectful and day after day proven wrong.

    Then make an argument for once.

    bobocopy says, What people object to is sending off our greatest heroes (U.S. Troops) to fight a war that leads to us being the most hated nation in the world. What people object to is the lack of a preponderance of evidence for such a war.

    How much evidence do you need?

    I’m not saying they were the sole reason for the war, but do you think we invaded because of WMDs?

    That was one of many reasons.

    I’m sure you know this, but Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

    If true, who cares? It’s a war against terrorism and is not limited to a war against those who committed 9/11.

    The War on Terror and the the war in Iraq are competely separate entities.

    And now I know that you’re not an honest person. How could anybody look at Saddam Hussein and say that he wasn’t running a terrorist state? How could anybody look at Saddam Hussein and say that he wasn’t enabling and sponsoring terrorism?

  • robert108

    bobocopy: As far as levity is concerned, I did give you the kitten link, didn’t I? You did mention kittens and puppies, or something like that, didn’t you?

  • search

    Link doesn’t function.

  • Maria

    CORRECTION: 2nd paragraph: OUR country not OUT

  • Christ Message

    You can’t win those who dream to die in the war against America. You cant by any violent weapon. As more you fight them, as more hatred you get.
    The only way to peace goes through disarmed communication. America needs to stop any military interference in the world, and we also need volunteers who will want to go to Muslim world and talk to their people. Volunteers, who will be same ready to die, as THEY, but without any weapon in their hands. Many of them will die. But their words will be heard and respected. This is the only way to change the terrorist ideology. There is no way to change it by weapon. May be USA government must redirect all finances, which go now to the war, to the families of those volunteers who dare to go to Muslim countries and talk about peace and love with bare hands and no body-guards.

  • http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org/ Joe

    Powerful video! I sent on to my peers at Move America Forward so this can be shared with our member/supporter base.

    Thank you very much for posting this.

  • robert108

    AW: Very good stuff. Keep it coming. Inquiring minds want to know.

  • realitybasedbob

    … Maliki’s … connects the dots between Saddam, 9/11 and world terrorism, as well as the war in Iraq. A lot of us knew it from the beginning, but some are slower than others…

    We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th.

    President Bush

    Maliki, just another moonbat bush hater.

  • dalco

    http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/geostrategy-direct/wnd.html

    Iraq-al-Qaida links go back decade
    CIA reports show nearly 100 examples of cooperation

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/2395416?source=Evening%20Standard

    Yossef Bodansky, author of “The High Cost of Peace,” says joint preparations by Hussein, Yasser Arafat and al-Qaida for a new wave of anti-U.S. terror began last spring. The model for the terrorism campaign is Arafat’s Black September Organization of the 1970s.

  • adam

    Great video, kinda shows what ruling by fear really is…..

  • dalco

    Judge Awards Iraqi Assets to Families of Sept. 11 Victims by Robert Siegel (All Things Considered, May 7, 2003): http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1254725

    Note: This allows you to listen to the original broadcast.

    9-11 panel discovers Saddam-Osama link
    Documents show Iraqi possibly plotted attacks on U.S. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39061

    In ’99, Clarke saw
    Iraq-al-Qaida link
    But Bush critic told ’60 Minutes’ Sunday there was ‘absolutely’ no evidence ‘ever’
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37704

  • phil

    Yes Europe is screwed but then again so are we. The government says no profiling we I do and will remain doing it. These zealots will be the end of us all unless we stop them.

  • robert108

    rbb: Your own words, please! Stop this cowardly use of mouthpieces. You cherry-pick, and masquerade as giving real information, when all you do is selectively quote others to try to prop up your sagging agenda.

  • robert108

    dalco: Thanks for the facts.

  • Christ Message

    docdave: the son of the Jewish God was not a pacifist so you’re barking
    =======================/
    To whom are you talking, docdave? People do not bark. Dogs do. But dogs hardly can discuss whether Christ was a pacifist or not. Of course barbarian who talk with people like with dogs, certainly did not heard about Christ’s pacifism. So, just for you a bit more knowledge about Christ is below. If you have patience enough to read it to the end, you probably will stop treating people like dogs.
    ======================
    A CHRISTIAN RESPONSE TO ISLAM (by Ibrahim Mansoor, Ph.D., Cambridge)
    Christ is rightly called “THE PRINCE OF PEACE” (Is 9:6), because he offers us PEACE WITH GOD by bearing the penalty of our sins, PEACE WITH OURSELVES by offering us the power to overcome sin in our life, and PEACE WITH PEOPLE by granting us the capacity to love even those who hate us. He told Peter who cut off the ear of the high priest’s servant, “Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword” (Matt 26:52).
    At Jesus’ birth, the angels sang: “Glory to God in the highest and on earth PEACE, GOOD WILL toward men (Luke 2:14). Thirty three years later while dying He prayed for those who mocked and crucified Him: “Father forgive them for they know not what the do!” (Luke 13:34). And to all who trust in Him and accept His gracious provision of salvation, Christ promises: “My PEACE I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid” (John 14:27).

    What contributions can Christians make toward a resolution of the threat of terrorism, sponsored by Muslim organizations? It is naive to think that anyone can offer a magic solution to the complex conflict between Islam and Christianity that has been going on for the past 14 centuries? The most we can hope to accomplish is to start a thinking process leading toward a solution. With this in mind I am submitting three suggestions:
    1) Christians Need to Understand the Root of Terrorism To resolve the problem of terrorism, which is causing a paralyzing fear in the American society and many Western countries, besides costing billions of dollars to the international community of nations, it is vitally important to understand that the root of Muslim terrorism is theological, not merely political or territorial. By this I mean that the acts of terrorism we are witnessing daily are inspired, not merely by the desire to get a larger share of the land controlled by Israel, but by the clear teaching of the Koran “to fight and slay” the infidels until the whole world is under Islam’s rule.
    Keep in mind that 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands are controlled by Muslim countries today. Only one-tenth of one percent is controlled by Israel. The Muslims, whose original homeland is Saudi Arabia, have succeeded through the centuries to systematically subdued all the countries of the Middle East, by practically uprooting all the Christians and Jews living there.
    What this means is that the Arabs are not satisfied with the 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands they have occupied. They are fighting for the one-tenth of one percent of the landmass which is controlled by Israel. Will territorial concessions on the part of Israel bring about a lasting peace? Absolutely not, even if Palestinian received all the land they claims as theirs! Why? Simply because history teaches us that no matter how much territory the Muslims conquered, they still wanted more. What has been true in the past, is still true today. The want all the land of Israel.
    Am I suggesting that Palestine does not belong to the Palestinians? There is no question that the Palestinian have the right to a homeland in Palestine, but they can hardly claim that historically Palestine has been their own country, governed by the Palestinians, with a distinct Palestinian culture and language. The fact is that Palestinians are Arabs who have occupied what in Bible times was known as the land of Canaan. They are indistinguishable from Jordanians, Syrians, Saudies, Lebanese, Iraquis, Iranians, etc.
    Prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland. The territories that Israel captured during the Six-Day War, did not belong to Yasser Arafat or the Palestinian Authorities, but to Jordan’s King Hussein. It is only after Israel won the war that these Arabs discovered their national identity as Palestinians.
    The truth is that term “Palestine” was coined, not by native Arabs to designate their homeland, but by the Romans after they captured Judea in 70 A. D. After committing genocide against the Jews and smashing the Temple, the Romans decided that Judea would no longer exist as the land of the Jews. To add insult to injury they changed the name from Judea to Palestine, a name derived from the Philistines– tribal people living in the southern costal region and conquered by the Jews at the time of David.
    Palestine as a State Never Existed
    What this means is that Palestine as a state with its own language and culture, has never existed. Its territory has been ruled alternatively by the Romans, Islamic and Christian crusaders, the Ottoman Empire, and briefly by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.
    From a historical perspective, the Jews have a 4,000-year-old birthright to Palestine. It is the land of their religious, ethnic, and historical roots. The fact that in the past they were expelled from their homeland by Romans, Christians, and Muslims, does not mean that they should be forced out of their homeland again today! After all, they have no other land which they can rightfully claim as their homeland.
    This is not the case with the Palestinians. From a historical perspective they can legitimately claim several Arab countries as their homeland, because that is where are found their religious, cultural, ethnic, and linguistic roots.
    Some try to prove the Muslim’s roots in Palestine by appealing to the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, which are popularly regarded as Islam’s third most holy sites. In my reading I found that the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca and Medina countless times, but never mentions Jerusalem. In fact there are no historical evidences to suggest Muhammad ever visited Jerusalem.
    How then did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Largely as a result of a gratuitous interpretation of a vague passage found in the seventeenth chapter (sura) of the Koran, entitled “The Night Journey.” It relates that in a dream Muhammed was carried by night “from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs….”
    In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the “temple that is most remote” as being the Mosque in Jerusalem. It is hard to believe that Muhammad would be carried away in a dream to the Mosque in Jerusalem that did not yet exist at the time of his death in 632 A. D. By contrast, the Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham (Gen 14:18).
    Recently Arab leaders met in Beirut to find a solution to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. They adopted the proposal of the Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to persuade Israel to return certain territories to the Palestinians in exchange for granting to the State of Israel the right to exist.
    Why Arab Leaders Do Not Give Some of the Land to Palestinians?
    What I find difficult to understand is why all these Arab leaders who control 99.9 percent of the vast landmass of the Middle East, and have incredible financial resources from oil exports to the West, do not open the doors of their countries to the relatively small Palestinian population of only 2,895,683 people, according to the 1997 census ? After all the Palestinians are their own Arab brethren. They share the same religious, ethnic, cultural, and linguistic heritage.
    Why do Arab leaders prefer to finance refugee camps in the West Banks rather than inviting Palestinians to settle in their own countries? Why Arab countries don’t follow the example of America who has given asylum to persecuted people of all races and creeds, including many Arabs? Why are Arab leaders more interested to take away some land from Israel–an extremely small country– than give some of their own land to their Palestinian Muslim brethren?
    I believe that answer is to be found in the call of the Koran “to fight and slay” the infidels until the whole world is under Islam’s rule. For Arab leaders to offer asylum to their Palestinian brethren, would mean to stop the ongoing conflict with Israel–an enemy of Islam that must be ultimately driven out of the land. By fueling the present conflict, especially with financial subsidies to the families of suicide bombers, they hope to achieve their objectives. What is at stake, then, is not more land for the Palestinian, but total Muslim control of the Middle East.
    Some may feel that I am not fair to the Muslims. Let me repeat the issue is not the Muslims people as such, most of whom are peace-loving people whom I love and respect. Rather, the issue is the teachings of the Koran which call for the suppression and extermination of those who practice a different religion. This is the root of the problem that needs to be addressed by Christians and the international community of nations.
    Suicide bombers are inspired by the teaching of the Koran. Muslim religious leaders indoctrinate young Arab men and women to become martyrs by killing the enemies of Islam. They are told that the Koran guarantees them the forgiveness of their sins and admission into the pleasure of paradise. Such an appalling, immoral, and senseless teaching is firing up poor young Muslim men and women to become suicide bombers. By killing the enemies of Islam, whether it be at the World Trade Towers in New York City or in the shopping centers in Israel, they become immortalized as martyrs for the cause of Islam who have gained admission into the pleasure of Paradise.
    2) Christians Need to Expose the Immorality of the Koran’s Teachings on the Use of Violence To deal with the root problem of Muslim terrorism, it is imperative to embark in a worldwide educational program designed to expose the immorality of the teachings the Koran which calls for the suppression and extermination of those who practice a different religion.
    This strategy of exposing the immorality of the Koran’s teachings on the use of violence to advance the cause of Islam, may not be politically correct. It can alienate moderate Moslems living in the USA and overseas. But I am persuaded that the truth that “hurts” is better than a lie that “soothes.”
    To minimize a backlash it is important to distinguish between the teachings of Koran about the exterminations of the “infidels,” and the Moslem people themselves who ignore or openly reject such teachings. The same principle applies to any religion. For example, most Catholics know very little about the historical teachings of their church regarding he suppression of the heretics.
    Most Catholics would be appalled to read what Thomas Aquinas, the most influential Catholic theologian, teaches in his Summa Theologica about the extermination of the “heretics.” He wrote: “With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side, the other, on the side of the church. On their own side there is a sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports the temporal life. Wherefore, if forger of money and other evildoers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death” (Question 11, Article 3).
    This fundamental Catholic teachings that “heretics,” if they do not recant, must be not only excommunicated but also exterminated, is found in numerous documents of the Inquisition. When the immorality of such teachings are exposed, most Catholics openly reject them, choosing instead to accept the teachings of the Gospel to “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”
    What is true for the Catholics is also true for the Muslims. We need to help our Muslim friends understand that the teachings of the Koran on the use of violence to advance the cause of Islam, are immoral and to be condemned by all peace-loving people. We need to help them understand that the sword of itself never brings peace to the world. Above all, we need to help them discover the beauty and power of the message of the Gospel–which is a message of love and forgiveness, a message of peace through internal transformation, rather than through external suppression of enemies and territorial expansion.
    3) Christians Need to Become Involved in Meeting the Needs of Suffering Muslims Exposing the immorality of the teachings of the Koran on the use of violence, is not enough. Actions speak louder than words. Christian relief organizations need to become actively involved in relieving the pain and suffering of Muslims living in desperate situations.
    Christian relief centers need to be established where Muslims are suffering today. Muslims need to see Christian love in action. This should happen not only in the Palestinian refugee camps, but also in Afghanistan–a country which has been devastated by 22 years of fighting, three years of famine, and five years of Taliban rule. Christian relief and assistance in Afghanistan cannot stop at the end of the military operations. The presence of dedicated Christian doctors, nurses, social workers, teachers, and technicians involved in developments programs, can go long way in giving credibility to the Christian witness.
    Ultimately the most compelling example of the difference between the teaching of the Koran and that of the Bible on the use of violence, is the unselfish and compassionate service offered by dedicated Christians even to Muslim terrorists. The manifestation of Christian love in action, has the potential for changing the Muslim world today as it did change the Roman world twenty centuries ago.

  • http://mac.com/ Mac

    Man, we got the nutcases here again!

    Well, this was my first visit but I can tell you that from what I can see they were always here.

    It’s great that you guys can sit around agreeing with each other, then using information which has been repeatedly debunked to back each other up and send any dissenters packing.

    I mean, you guys still think Saddam and Osama are buddies?!? Outside America that’s akin to thinking the earth is flat. Poor North Dakota.

  • Bat One

    WOOF,

    The fact that one is awakw enough to recognize the lack of a pattern in one set of instances does not excuse the somnambulent stupidity of not recognizing a rather obvious pattern in another set of instances.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Christ Message said, You can’t win those who dream to die in the war against America. You cant by any violent weapon. As more you fight them, as more hatred you get.
    The only way to peace goes through disarmed communication.

    Hey, you sound just like one of those peace weenies right before WW2! You know the type, those people who were telling us that we couldn’t win a war against Hitler.

    How well did the “talk about peace” work back then?

  • Christ Message

    4.”You have heard that it was said (By Moses and Jewish God-CM), “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.” But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?Matthew 5.43-48

  • Johnny Running water

    WILL THE LAST MAN STANDING BRING THE FLAG
    Wii Agi ( Running water )

  • Maria

    CORRECTION: 3rd paragraph: OUR country not OUT

  • Maria

    CHRIST: you have to remember that GOD shed a lot of blood too for “his” people? Is that right? How do we know if God really exists anyhow? Has anyone seen Him?

    Anyhow, if you ask me it is THEM OR ME, and certainly I dont want it to be me bombed or dead for their belief. So, are we goign to act like good little christians and allow them to do what they do or are we going to try and defend ourselves? So, in order to be christian, we need to allow them to slaughter us? Does that make us martyrs for the christian belief? They believe they are martyrs when the blow themselves up? So are we the same as them so to speak? Should we allow this terrorism on our country to be good christians? I say NOT!

    Please CHRIST dont tell others that they are NOT Christians for thsi or that reason. Are you one? No one knows the inside of a person to make that judgement.

  • Nick

    THIS should be shown on TV….PRIMETIME so everybody can see it.
    Some folks don’t even realize there is a problem

  • 419buster

    Please make this video available again. Many more people should view it. Yes, it should be televised by some TV network, but which one would have the guts to do it? Even Fox would be hesitant. CNN will probably show the opposite view and only that view.

    Pacifism is simply undisguised cowardice.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    “Christ Message” continues to bastardize the message, So, do you want it or not, if you consider yourself Christian, you must protect a sufferer or help free a slave BY DISARMED HANDS (if you can), otherwise your are not Christian.
    You may think that killing one in order to save 100 is good, – then you may be right or not right, – but you are CERTAINLY NOT CHRISTIAN. So, choosing for blood and bombing you must honestly announce in front of the whole world that you withdraw yourself from Christianity, before you started the war

    I’m an agnostic, so you can piss off with your self righteous talk that doesn’t make sense to begin with.

    But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

    Screw that. I got a better one for you: fuck my Muslim enemies and may they burn in Hell. I will not pray for the wicked. Instead, I advocate killing them.

    You can sit there and bastardize Christianity under the protection of strong men. I will sit here and support the strong men who grant you the freedom to spout off your insanities.

  • Awakened Warrior

    Liberal left wing social scientists (like reality based bob and bobocopy)-strawmen themselves- attribute Jihadi terrorism as a product of “labeling” and social causes including economic deprivation and interference of non-Islamic countries. They romanticize Jihadi terrorists as involved in protest against social injustice. In their eagerness to promote the irrational doctrine of “political correctness”, left wing armchair speculators see Jihadi terrorists as victims of reactionary, reductionist “conspiracy theories” that make the terrorists the real victim of unjust society. For phony, left wing, liberal social scientists, suicide bombing, mass murder, riots, arson and public beheading of non-Muslims by Jihadi terrorists are the negotiated product of formal responses to political injustice.
    Awakened Warrior

  • robert108

    Besides, if you read Maliki’s speech to our Congress, he connects the dots between Saddam, 9/11 and world terrorism, as well as the war in Iraq. A lot of us knew it from the beginning, but some are slower than others…

  • Christ Message

    Keep patience.
    I’ll be here soon.

  • Awakened Warrior

    Here’s a simple test for liberal, apeasement minded folks. It’s multiple choice to make it esaier for them to understand and complete with a passing grade (on a curve-like in middle-school bobocopy):

    1. In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:

    a. Superman

    b. Jay Lenno

    c. Harry Potter

    d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

    2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

    a. Olga Corbett

    b. Sitting Bull

    c. Arnold Schwarzenegger

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

    a. Lost Norwegians

    b. Elvis

    c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    4.During the 1980′s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

    a. John Dillinger

    b. The King of Sweden

    c. The Boy Scouts

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

    a. A pizza delivery boy

    b. Pee Wee Herman

    c. Geraldo Rivera

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

    a. The Smurfs

    b. Davy Jones

    c. The Little Mermaid

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

    a. Captain Kidd

    b. Charles Lindberg

    c. Mother Teresa

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

    a. Scooby Doo

    b. The Tooth Fairy

    c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

    a. Richard Simmons

    b. Grandma Moses

    c. Michael Jordan

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

    a. Mr. Rogers

    b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’ s women
    problems

    c. The World Wrestling Federation

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:

    a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd

    b. The Supreme Court of Florida

    c. Mr. Bean

    d Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

    a. Enron

    b. The Lutheran Church

    c. The NFL

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

    a. Bonnie and Clyde

    b. Captain Kangaroo

    c. Billy Graham

    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
    Nope, …..I really don’t see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

    What did you think of th

  • Marian Panzer

    Excellent video – should be hsown on television and NOT necessarily on cable.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    I mean, you guys still think Saddam and Osama are buddies?!?

    Who has claimed that? I’m sure you’ll have no problem telling us.

  • Maria

    Well said Awakened Warrior and likwidshoe!

  • WOOF

    John Kennedy, George Wallace ,Ronald Reagan, 168 persons Muir Bldg Oklahoma City, Gerald Ford.

    See a a pattern?

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    Peace-at-any-cost-Christians——

    As much as some “peace- at -any –cost” folks would like it to be true, it is not possible to stand aside, to sit by the fire enjoying its warmth while Muslims maim and kill. It’s not enough to be content to aimlessly wander through lush green valleys smelling the pretty flowers as the birdies sing and the bumble bees dart from blossom to blossom.

    It’s not enough just to participate in insipid “Kum Ba Yah” revivals, candle-light vigils and prayer meetings in a planet full of murderous fanatics bent on global jihad and the complete destruction of what we hold dear.

    It’s naïve to believe that we can survive in this world simply by adhering to misinterpreted tenets of a transmogrified supernatural ideology that promises an illusory state of happiness.

    When we do nothing we are strongly affecting (and directing) the course of history

    Our world will go to pieces much more rapidly by taking this course of inaction.

    We are presented with hard choices and are sometimes compelled to make certain decisions about forceful intervention that we otherwise would not have considered.

    Awakened Warrior

  • Bat One

    Screw that. I got a better one for you: fuck my Muslim enemies and may they burn in Hell. I will not pray for the wicked. Instead, I advocate killing them.

    Lik,

    This is no time to allow yourself to be goaded into becoming so emotional and distraught as to start thinking within the confines set for you by liberal apologists for terror. Stop it!!!

    This is not an “either/or” type question. Nor is this the sort of issue that must be thought of in terms of black and white. To limit yourself in such a manner is to fall into the trap set for you by leftists. Think nuance. Think broad picture. Think in terms of an array of options.

    Kill them! Kill every jihadi motherf***ing one of them! Then pray for them once they’re dead!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    The link to the video doesn’t work.

    I just fixed it Broncodriver. Thank you for the alert.

  • robert108

    Nice setup for the terrorists. Compliant victims. Great propaganda. The truth is, we can and will wipe them out, if they don’t relent. Whether or not the terrorist nations survive another ten years is up to them. They must grow up and join the rest of the world. It’s either that or mass destruction.

  • Broncodriver

    The link to the video doesn’t work. I can’t watch the video. Fix the link so it can be viewed by people who are interested in seeing it.

  • Maria

    Awakened Warrior, Yes I am aware of what goes on in the universities as well. Thanks for putting all that into light, because not too many know about that.

    Like Robert108 said, “Very good stuff. Keep it coming. Inquiring minds want to know.”

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    Aside from reliance on feelings, how else can one explain a person who believes, let alone proudly announces on a bumper sticker, that “War is not the answer”? I know of no comparable bumper sticker that is so demonstrably false and morally ignorant. Almost every great evil has been solved by war — from slavery in America to the Holocaust in Europe. Auschwitz was liberated by soldiers making war, not by pacifists who would have allowed the Nazis to murder every Jew in Europe”

    War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

    Awakened Warrior

  • TwoHotel9

    Pacifist liar christ message, tote your ass to Iran,Syria,Bekaa Valley or any terrorist hotspot you choose and tell them about love and peace. We will all be sure to watch the video of them cutting off your head, and the best part will be we will never have to listen to your lying shit ever again. Need a plane ticket? I am sure we can take up a collection and get you there.

  • http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org/ Joe

    Man, we got the nutcases here again!

    How many times do the bogus conspiracies of people like TruthSayer have to be disproved?

    On Flight 800 they tell us to watch a radar echo of a supposed missile, but wait the missile moves AWAY from the Flight 800 beacon on the radar screen before the plane exploded. Well, NEVER MIND THE DETAILS they tell us!

    Forget that not one single person involved in this coverup ever came forward to report the truth. You know how easy it is to get thousands of people to toe the government line without speaking out, it happens well… never.

    They say that there was no plane that hit the Pentagon. Oh wait, thousands of people saw the plane hit the Pentagon. Then we see video tapes showing it hit the Pentagon.

    Oh well, NEVER MIND THOSE DETAILS EITHER!

    You know, it’s not hard to see why certain members of Congress and the news media do not realize we are at war with jihadists when you realize that some of those individuals are probably not much different from the mentality of TruthSayer. Gullibility apparently knows no bounds!

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    To: “Christ Message”,

    Your radically misinterpreted views of Christian Doctrine have nothing to do with what Jesus taught and are more closely akin to Marxist ideology.
    Here’s some food for thought (if you have that ability)

    (Friends–please bear with me for a few seconds while I instruct “Christ Message”):

    “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.”

    Matthew 10:34-36

    “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three…”

    Luke 12:51-52

    Jesus elsewhere acknowledges the legitimate use of force, telling the apostles, “let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one” (Luke 22:36).

    Peace is the goal, but when it cannot be achieved without force, force must be used.

  • dalco

    You can’t win those who dream to die in the war against America.

    Instead facilitate their immediate meeting with Allah.

    You cant by any violent weapon. As more you fight them, as more hatred you get.

    How can they hate us more? “Convert or die” they say. They have declared jihad. An Arabic phrase which means “My Struggle”. Sound familiar. Thats “Mein Kampf” in German. The leader of Iran denies the holocaust. He says the real holocaust is happening because Israel is exterminating the Palestinians. Lies. Say them loud enough, over and over, and people believe them. They teach their kids to kill in the name of God. There will be peace when THAT stops happening.

    The only way to peace goes through disarmed communication.

    I disagree. History is replete with examples of peace obtained through violent means. A moral and just nation does that only as a last resort. Look no farther back than how WW2 ended!

    America needs to stop any military interference in the world,

    I agree. Lets stop keeping the peace elsewhere. Lets also stop the grants and loans to other nations. In addition lets fix the trade deficit. Also let enforce the laws made by Congress, protect our borders and require the income tax system to be applied fairly to all, both citizens and foreign (undocumented) workers (AKA illegal immigrants). So are we done fantasizing yet? I feel good about all of these things JUST AS A START!

    and we also need volunteers who will want to go to Muslim world and talk to their people. Volunteers, who will be same ready to die, as THEY, but without any weapon in their hands.

    This is already happening. Where have you been?

    Many of them will die.

    Again, already happening: on Arabic TV with their throats cut. You know, journalists.

    But their words will be heard and respected.

    Where then is the Muslim outrage?

    This is the only way to change the terrorist ideology.

    I disagree. It hasn’t changed in centuries. 1000-man armies have moved into regions and converted or killed peoples since the time of Muhammed. Can you say genocide, boys and girls?

    There is no way to change it by weapon.

    I disagree. Indeed there may be no way to change it without better weapons (or better use of weapons) than we have so far.

    May be USA government must redirect all finances, which go now to the war, to the families of those volunteers who dare to go to Muslim countries and talk about peace and love with bare hands and no body-guards.

    Would you like that? In who’s name do you call for this? You call yourself Christ Message. But like the mullahs who call for suicide bombers methinks you find writing to inspire others to go forth easy and safe. And deceptively dangerous for those who listen.

  • Christ Message

    To: Awakened Worrier “Jesus elsewhere acknowledges the legitimate use of force, telling the apostles,…”
    ===================
    Thank you for a good question. Im sorry a year ago I had no time to answer in details, since was leaving USA, and now Im writing from an opposite part of the world
    ========================
    “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.”Matthew 10:34-36 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three…”Luke 12:51-52
    ===========================
    OF course. Look our discussion above. We are one family. Yet we are fighting and divided. However, I do not want to kill you and hopefully you do not want to kill me. The subject about which we passionately disagree is how to make our enemy to behave. And this is what Christ predicted and foresaw saying “members in one household will be divided”
    =================================
    “let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one” (Luke 22:36).
    ==============================
    To understand this, read a few more verses around this one:
    ————-
    35: then Jesus asked them: “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”
    “nothing” they answered
    36: he said “but now IF YOU HAVE A PURSE, and also a bag… sell it and buy a sword”
    —————
    So, Jesus knew that NOT EVERYONE of his disciples had a valuable to sell, since he himself asked them to NOT HAVE valuables. Then, this means, Jesus did not ask EVERYONE to have a sword, he asked ALL together to unite their scarce valuables and find something to sell in order to get AT LEAST one sword for all. Verse 38 confirms this my statement: “…here are two swords” – “that’s enough” he replied
    But let’s read the most important verse 37, which explains everything:
    ———-
    37: it is written “and he was numbered with the transgressors”…
    ————
    So, Jesus COMPLAINS that they equalize him with bloody aggressors
    ————–
    …and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment
    —————-
    so, he refers their taking now a bloody weapon as a TOP if his service, which finally MUST BE FULFILLED. But WHAT??????? What exactly must be fulfilled???????? Whether you did not understand it yet, knowing the verse “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.” (Matt 26;52) Whether you still did not understand WHAT WAS THE TOP of his teaching to prove which he asked the disciples to get a sword, just one sword for all??????

    The top of his teaching is coming clear from these five verses, as a sunny day:
    be strong, but not violent and never use your power to execute your enemy. The evidence of this central point of Christ’s teaching was about to be fulfilled when he asked to get a sword. He invited to take a sword TO SHOW THE PRECISE POINT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND TRANSGRESSORS. The difference with transgressors IS NOT IN HIS BEING WEAK while transgressors being strong. The difference is in HIS NOT USING HIS STRENGTH TO HARM THE ENEMY BUT TO LOVE THEM while being same or more strong as the enemy. If he would not have a sword the moment they arrested him, he would sound weak, and so his teaching would sound the teaching for weaks. This is why he sends for a sword: he wants to tell to everybody, that his non-violence IS NOT a sign of weakness, but a revelation of loving strength. Love your enemy!!!! That is what he wanted to say to everybody: do not fear you enemy (as it would be if the enemy has a sword but Jesus has not) BUT LOVE HIM!!!! Be strong as him or even stronger than him BUT LOVE HIM AND DO NOT EXECUTE HIM even if you can. This is why Jesus allowed to Peter to wound one of eth soldiers and then completely healed him. Yes, to demonstrate this healing, this love to teh enemy, but not fear, Jesus needed a sword. Just one sword for all. When he healed the soldier, he said to throw the sword away: he did not need it anymore, the sword played the role Jesus supposed it to play and was not needed any longer.

  • http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org/ Joe

    Umm, are we supposed to be impressed that multiple users posted the exact same 9/11 conspiracy nonsense?

    Loya and TruthSayer should get together at the next MoveOn.org house party.

    Sometimes I wonder if some of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists aren’t themselves adherents to the Islamic jihad cause of militant terrorism, seeking to undermine U.S. public support for confronting the threat posed by Islamic extremist terrorists.

  • http://mickhughes.awakenedwarrior.com/ Awakened Warrior

    Re: Mac
    Perhaps we could all chip in to fly in a team of psychiatrists from Vienna to help folks like Mac deal with their denial of reality. After all, it may not be entirely their fault. It takes years and years of hard work (intervention by family members and friends) to reprogram a mind that has been so completely indoctrinated from pre-K all the way through college.
    Most of these people don’t recover until they’re in their 30′s.
    But Mac, the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. If you are painstaking about this phase of your development, you will be amazed before you are half way through. You will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in your fellow Americans. Your whole attitude and outlook upon life will change.
    We’re here to help.

    I think everyone will agree with the following sentiments:
    We love you man! We’re here for you and we feel your pain. We want to be your friend.
    Hopefully, like the Prodigal Son, one day you will come home and take your rightful place beside your American brothers and sisters.

    Where did this problem start and how (&WHY) is it so deeply entrenched in the minds of people like Al Franken and Michael Moore and guys like bobocopy and mac?

    Much of the empty nonsensical rhetoric that we hear today from misguided, illogical social justice appeasers (communist/socialist university professors, ignorant, Hollywood celebrities, harebrained movie producers, radical left-wing politicians, anti-war protesters, childish, uninformed college kids) was born in the deconstructionist, humanist, philosophy that became existentially popular in the 1960′s.
    You know-the radical hippies that are now running our universities.

    Two of its most prominent proselytizing proponents are Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn; who happen to be the architects and gurus of the present day viewpoint and belief that democracy, capitalism, and American values and culture are exclusively responsible for all the world’s ills.

    This errant school of thought is a major contributor to the severe abuses of academic freedom that are prevalent in a huge percentage of our universities. It’s the “poisonous fodder” used by power hungry politicians to appease dim-witted constituents,(like mac and bobocopy) and is the source of ceaseless propaganda offered by fame seeking, “unbiased” reporters who wish to appear “compassionate” before their audiences in order to increase their market share.
    It’s this faulty reasoning that allows idiots like Michael Moore to re-characterize murdering terrorists as freedom fighting minutemen. It’s this defective reckoning that’s the basis of the erroneous belief that “homicidal fanatics” can be reasoned with in sit-down negotiations.

    It goes something like this:

    There is no absolute truth. My truth is my truth and your truth is your truth. Truth is relative and the application of ethics is situational. In fact there may be an infinite number of probable realities (truths).

    Therefore, no one can ever be held accountable to any sort of principled standard of behavior.

    In fact, the deconstructionists/humanists would even argue that it’s morally reprehensible for anybody to “perpetrate” a belief in the ethical superiority of one system of thought over another.

    By their way of thinking, any system of thought is just as viable, honorable, and permissible as any other. Perhaps the color blue could be redefined as purple, orange or green. It’s like arguing that, since there are many ways to get from Florida to New York, a traveler doesn’t need the use of a road map.

    Saying that there is no absolute truth is a very convenient way to avoid responsibility for our actions. If we say that there’s no absolute truth, it means that truth is relative.

    What you think is true is possibly quite different from what I think is true. This means that no-one has the right to say that their version of truth, right and wrong is any better than other people’s.

    While this might sound nice in theory, (as it does to all liberals) it’s disastrous in its application!!
    If everyone actually lived according to this, life would be chaos. Joseph Stalin would no longer be one of the world’s worst serial killers, but just a man who believed in what he was doing. Similarly, those who flew planes into the World Trade Center on September 11th would not be terrorists, but just a group of freedom fighters who were living in harmony with their beliefs. Such a thought is no doubt ridiculous and abhorrent, yet this is exactly where we would be if there was no absolute truth.

  • Christ Message

    hello

  • robert108

    Many recently translated Iraqi documents reveal that OBL and Saddam were partners in terrorism.

  • Ada Wakeman

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Realityboob is worried about misspending on defense, but do you think we could get him to criticize the $3 billion/day spending on MEdicare, Medicaid and Social Security? Spending that is growing at about 8% annually? Spending that is unsustainable and will eventually drag this country down?

    Oh no, he’s find with that sort of waste of tax payer dollars. Which isn’t to suggest that misappropriating defense funds is a good thing. It isn’t, but let’s keep some perspective.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Your mocking of the war on terror indicates that you aren’t in favor of fighting terrorists.

    To this you’ll reply that the war in Iraq is not a part of the war on terror, to which I’ll respond that you’re a misguided fool who can’t see beyond the end of his own partisan nose.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Rube…that’s a nice one realityboob. I am a rube. Backwoods, redneck, North Dakota rube.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    A government agency misused taxpayer dollars. Shocking.

    And, of course, realityboob thinks this is a reason to not fight terrorists.

    Right.

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