Billions is slotted for federal “decorating” projects on federal buildings.
Will making federal buildings more energy efficient considered to be pork? What happens if the money savings eventually pays for the money put into it over a period of time?
Hannitized
Your BDS is noted. It does not change the facts that Clinton responded to the first World Trade Center bombing with lawyers and that he was given OBL on a silver platter and refused.
So it is BDS to factually lay out evidence that shows Bush and Condi ignored Clarke’s memo and to argue that GWB did not take terrorism any more seriously than Clinton until after we were attacked on our soil? Wrong.
In fact, one can argue that Clinton took AQ more seriously that Bush pre 9/11 and further that even if you believe what you wrote above than you must accept that Bush took it less seriously than a police matter. For he (Bush) did nothing.
bush is a republican, that’s just what they do.
Double the debt, grow the government and give us recessions.
Raygun did it. Poppa Bush did it.
The bullshit war thing is new though, gotta give him that.
chris
If Obama’s plan will put money in our pockets, create jobs, promote energy independence, support education, and improve the country’s infrastructure, then I’m all for it. I would even allow for the 1% pet projects.
Hannitized
But for all of Dino’s bloviating, public debt hasn’t changed much since 1990, in spite of two major wars since then.
I suppose you could look at it that way if you deliberately ignore the pattern of debt reduction that was continuing under Clinton.
Apparently Bush couldn’t handle that success of Clinton and quickly and sharply reversed the trend of a reduced debt.
http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin
How much does John Allen Plaulos’ wacky hairstyle cost?
Do explain why all that budgeting mastery by republicans was lost on them once bush took office.
Conservatism is not congenital…like many of the afflictions that you seem to bear! It was not the same Republican Congress under Bush that it was under the Contract With America. More’s the pity!
The fact that Congress did not exercise the same restraint under Bush does not prove that they didn’t under Clinton.
If you want to pursue that logical fallacy in a punchbowl, despite all the facts, you’re welcome to it!
Dems…rhymes with “stems”. Coincidence? I don’t think so!
robert108
So, Obama’s pork spending bill is good, but defending our country by killing the terrorists was bad? On what planet?
chris
it’s scarce, far too expensive, and shitty.
Again, you’re only thinking for today and not tomorrow. The sun and wind are not scarce and they won’t go away anytime soon. Technological advancements will eventually prove them to be effective and cheep, as what my link explains.
So it is BDS to factually lay out evidence that shows Bush and Condi ignored Clarke’s memo and to argue that GWB did not take terrorism any more seriously than Clinton
No, it’s BDS to talk about “Bill Clinton’s plan to invade Afghanistan to get Bin Laden”. Please cite the specific passages in the memo that advocates “invading Afghanistan” that you are trying to use to change the subject away from your own abysmal ignorance?
Is that why Clinton left the office with almost no deficit and almost a decade of strong economy?
Clinton left with NO deficits. But good point.
It’ll be lost on the stems, though.
carrick
Dinodemstem:
Clinton left with NO deficits.
Again Dinodemstem is a fucking retard.
Clinton’s last budget was the 2001 budget (which technically starts in October 2000).
Care to look at the 2001 budget deficit then retract this obvious bogosity.?
But for all of Dino’s bloviating, public debt hasn’t changed much since 1990, in spite of two major wars since then.
docdave
Again, you’re only thinking for today and not tomorrow. The sun and wind are not scarce and they won’t go away anytime soon. Technological advancements will eventually prove them to be effective and cheep, as what my link explains
. Just when do you think that these alternate energy sources will be abundant and cheap enough to replace our current energy resources? Probably not in the foreseeable future so we sacrifice today for what might happen tomorrow whenever it is. Sounds like a shitty plan.
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe
WOOF – G W Bush took the national debt from
$5.7 to $10 trillion, in only 8 years.
Oh, I wasn’t aware that this G W Bush guy was responsible for all of those “New Deal” and “Great Society” programs and their built in spending increases!
Tax receipts went up 1/5 of what they would have been without the cuts.
Not only do you have a different reality, but you can also see the future! WOW WOOF! You’re friggin’ awesome, man!
There is no free lunch.
There’s a rip in the time warp continuum! A DEMOCRAT is saying that there is no free lunch!
http://www.sayanythingblog.com/ electnixon
If Obama’s plan will put money in our pockets,
Only if you’re on welfare, and only then after taking it from someone else’s pocket
create jobs,
create a few, kill a lot
promote energy independence,
hell no – building windmills and killing coal only drives up the cost of domestic energy.
support education,
we already know that throwing money at education only makes it worse
and improve the country’s infrastructure,
At what cost?
chris, you haven’t been paying taxes for long, have you?
chris
What those on the Left don’t know about the economy would fill a book
Is that why Clinton left the office with almost no deficit and almost a decade of strong economy?
chris
Only if you’re on welfare
This comment is obviously laced with partisan-driven dishonesty. If you studied the proposal, you would see that it mostly targets the middle class, but it also includes businesses.
You’re only looking at a small percentage of the total proposal and then saying that’s all he’s doing. Shameful.
create a few, kill a lot
Where are your stats on this? What’s your authority?
building windmills and killing coal only drives up the cost of domestic energy.
This is a classic liberal vs conservative argument, but you’ll eventually see that alternative energy like solar is the future. It’s like arguing in the 1800s that horse buggies will always dominate the roads, and automobiles would never become reality.
we already know that throwing money at education only makes it worse
So grants for college scholerships will make things worse? If we can’t throw money on it, what’s the alternative?
docdave
You can be very generous with someone elses money.
Mickey
The US economy was worse in 1974 and in 1982. Recessions usually take a few years to run their course. This economic stimulus bill is a bomb. It is loaded with pork that will not benefit the economy. Billions is slotted for federal “decorating” projects on federal buildings.
All Republicans should NOT vote in favor of this bill. Let the Democrats take the full blame for the deficit that will follow.
Barry “Carter” Obama owns this mess and he can be held responsible.
Hannitized
You are exactly right Proof, despite changing the subject. Bush ignored Bill Clinton’s plan to invade Afghanistan to get Bin Laden in favor of giving them money to grow something other than poppy plants.
Apparently, the war on drugs was more important than the war on terror.
chris
Only if you’re on welfare
This comment is obviously laced with partisan-driven dishonesty. If you studied the proposal, you would see that it mostly targets the middle class, but it also includes businesses.
You’re only looking at a small percentage of the total proposal and then saying that’s all he’s doing. Shameful.
create a few, kill a lot
Where are your stats on this?
building windmills and killing coal only drives up the cost of domestic energy.
This is a classic liberal vs conservative argument, but you’ll eventually see that alternative energy like solar is the future. It’s like arguing in the 1800s that horse buggies will always dominate the roads, and automobiles would never become reality.
we already know that throwing money at education only makes it worse
So grants for college scholerships will make things worse? If we can’t throw money on it, what’s the alternative?
Bat One
The US economy was worse in 1974 and in 1982. Recessions usually take a few years to run their course. This economic stimulus bill is a bomb.
Mickey,
What those on the Left don’t know about the economy would fill a book… and Free To Choose would be a most appropriate title!
The idea of leading and trailing indicators would mean no less to a liberal if it was written in Urdu or Sanskrit.
Mickey
When they start taking 50% of my income for taxes, I won’t work, I WILL live of the land!!
Everyone will do the same. Pass the government cheese please.
(except dino, he’s already a leach)
SHADY
bush is a republican, that’s just what they do.
Double the debt, grow the government and give us recessions.
He may have did that while growing the economy. WAIT till barry-bin-laden gets done. He’ll have everyone in chains at our $5 per hour GREEN jobs, squeezing every tax dollar out of us. When we get too old to work and give the giant barry money machine, he’ll just have us shot!!
When they start taking 50% of my income for taxes, I won’t work, I WILL live of the land!!
Yes, dear stem, we’ve been over that! And the legislative branch actually writes the budget…which was balanced…unlike the one submitted to them by President Bubba!
I admire your tenacity in wanting to lose this discussion all over again!
That was Clarke’s memo. Here is the story behind it, and the lies that the RNC touts to keep its head firmly buried in the sand;
The crux of the issue is a January 25, 2001, memo on al-Qaeda from counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, the first terrorism strategy paper of the Bush administration. The document was central to the debate over pre-9/11 Bush administration policy on terrorism and figured prominently in the 9/11 hearings held in 2004. A declassified copy of the Clarke memo was first posted on the Web by the National Security Archive in February 2005.
Clarke’s memo, described below, “urgently” requested a high-level National Security Council review on al-Qaeda and included two attachments: a declassified December 2000 “Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects” and the September 1998 “Pol-Mil Plan for al-Qida,” the so-called Delenda Plan, which remains classified.
robert108
chris: Depending on so-called “alternative energy” for our energy needs is like having only Kopi Luwak coffee: it’s scarce, far too expensive, and shitty.
Remove all subsidies, and see how practical it is.
carrick
A c student Yale MBA gop president
No worse than a failed c student Yale DNC candidate who goes around perpetrating alarmist hoaxes.
Is that why Clinton left the office with almost no deficit
The Contract With America filled Congress with Republicans who forced a balanced budget on him. Oh, and welfare reform at the same time! It’s a wonder what controlling entitlements can do for the economy!
Bush ignored Bill Clinton’s plan to invade Afghanistan to get Bin Laden
It’s very easy to ignore the non-existent! Much like we ignore your “logic” here!
Clinton was offered OBL on a silver platter and he turned it down. I’ve heard the audio from Clinton’s own lips. Clinton had no such plan to do anything other than lawyer OBL to death.
I admire your tenacity in wanting to lose this discussion all over again!
Do explain why all that budgeting mastery by republicans was lost on them once bush took office. How did the debt double with a masterful republican Congress and President?
Congratulations on backing yourself into that corner.
Apparently Bush couldn’t handle that “success” of Clinton’s Lawyer’s War Against Global Terror and quickly and sharply reversed the trend after 9/11/01.
Bat One
WOOF,
Try again! We’ve had this discussion before (here). This time, try actually reading the Clifton study… including the references to the 1997 Cap Gains tax rate cuts under Clinton and the subsequent increases in revenues collected over and above what CBO and JCT had projected before the cuts.
docdave
poodle, I’m sure that your savior will set a new record. Gee, aren’t you democrats always harping about balancing the budget?
chris
Energy production of solar, wind, etc. per unit time is not remotely competitive with nuclear or fossil fuels and you know it or would had you done the studying
You’re way too short-sighted. We’re more advanced in regards to solar power than in the 70s, and the advancements are increasing exponentially. This is the nature of technology today. We can currently produce solar energy at $4 per watt and should eventually produce six cents per kWh by 2020:
The sun and wind are not scarce and they won’t go away anytime soon.
Funny that you mention wind! I keep driving by hundreds, if not thousands of windmills, two or three times a week now, that are still standing idle, waiting for enough breeze to turn them.
Hannie: Your BDS is noted. It does not change the facts that Clinton responded to the first World Trade Center bombing with lawyers and that he was given OBL on a silver platter and refused.
Any “memos” he left behind were vague rumors of bad things. Gee…ya think?
WOOFX
that drove up tax receipts and closed the federal budget deficit.
Tax receipts went up 1/5 of what they would have been without the cuts.
The deficit almost doubled.
There is no free lunch.
WOOFX
the same Peter Orzag
http://sayanythingblog.com robport
G W Bush took the national debt from
$5.7 to $10 trillion, in only 8 years.
But that’s not the whole story. While Bush’s record on spending wasn’t great, his tax cuts (among other factors) spurred economic expansion that drove up tax receipts and closed the federal budget deficit.
I know that you’re economically illiterate, poodle, but do try to get the facts straight.
Of course, if we’re going to fix this problem we’ve got to stop spending. And just today Obama signed into law a massive health care entitlement expansion.
How are we going to pay for that? Higher taxes? We can ill-afford that in the current economy.
More debt? We can’t afford that either.
The Democrats, laughably, claim they’ll pay for it with tobacco taxes.
Who voted for these idiots?
http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808
chris:
This is a classic liberal vs conservative argument, but you’ll eventually see that alternative energy like solar is the future. It’s like arguing in the 1800s that horse buggies will always dominate the roads, and automobiles would never become reality.
Uh, no, sorry, not remotely true. Energy production of solar, wind, etc. per unit time is not remotely competitive with nuclear or fossil fuels and you know it or would had you done the studying. I wanted badly to believe in these things in the 70s myself, did the math, did it again to make sure I wasn’t wrong, and then did it a third time to double check the double check and no, it won’t work.
FWIW, even solar in orbit is so inefficient that at current technological levels it would be many trillions of dollars to build just one station, and then you have to deal with the beaming of the energy back to Earth which to avoid cooking anything below means a wide beam sent to a collector across many thousands of acres and you have to deal with atmospheric losses, transmission conversion losses, etc.
We’ve known how to build nuclear fission reactors that are nearly impossible to melt down for decades but the left goes bonkers when you mention it, and keep agitating for living simply that others may simply live, which tells you where the mindset of the alleged Earth friendly people really is: imposition of tyranny of a view of ascetic suffering for everyone, with some suffering more than others. A reprehensible mentality that would see the entire third world permanently consigned to poverty, pestilence, and tribal primitivism.
Between the realization that’s what the econuts really wanted when I was studying solar engineering, and the inefficiencies and expensive difficulties involved without nanotechnology and totally different space launch technology, I couldn’t stomach it any more.
WOOFX
G W Bush took the national debt from
$5.7 to $10 trillion, in only 8 years.
WOOFX
I don’t know that anyone can “save” us.
Somethings reach their tipping point and must fall.
http://sayanythingblog.com robport
Tax receipts went up 1/5 of what they would have been without the cuts.
Uh, right. Because you say so.
And no, there is no free lunch. So i’m sure you’ll be joining us conservatives in the battle against the Democrats and their “stimulus” spending and endless attempts to expand entitlements?
Right?
Or are you like Obama? Just words?
http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808
The 82 recession was a result of Carter’s policies not Reagan’s. Nice try Dino.
WOOFX
CBO, Bat
WOOF,
What’s your authority for this, please?
The Congressional Budget Office, the Treasury Department, the Joint Committee on Taxation, the White House’s Council of Economic Advisers and a former Bush administration economist all say that tax cuts lead to revenues that are lower than they otherwise would have been — even if they spur some economic growth.
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