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The leftie phony equivalence game at its finest.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Does the Rev. think we didn’t hear all the Sermon?  I have and I can tell you..his Context is clear, his hatred of America is Easy to understand ..there is no way we can put G..D..America in the beginning, end, or middle and COME OUT WITH ANYTHING EXCEPT HE EITHER HATES AMERICA OR IS THE SAME TYPE AS JACKSON, SHARPTON AND FARAKAHN..ALL PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR LIVING PREACHING HATE!

Now I know why the country is in the mess it is in.  Because this is the most ridiculous and dirty twisting of anyones words I have ever read.  YOU might think America is like Al Qaeda, but Rev. Wright does not. 

Try to watch the Obama interview on FOX with Chris Wallace.  It is, after all, ‘fair and balanced’.  Funny me saying that FOX is a better source of information than this crap on this blog on the internet.

Do you deliberately try to mislead people?  Or are you simply uneducated and unable to understand complex truths?

Funny me saying that FOX is a better source of
information than this crap on this blog on the internet.

Why is it “funny”?  Do you have some sort of prejudice against Fox News?  You reveal your bias.
There’s nothing “complex” about what Wright says; it’s obvious on its face.  It’s lying lefties like you who attempt to confuse the issue with your BS.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

YOU might think America is like Al Qaeda, but Rev. Wright does not.

Shamu: Are you even paying attention? Doesn’t seem like it! Did you read what the wrong “Reverend” Wright said? Is English your first language??

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

The question for Obama is: Why do you want to lead a country that is the same as al Qaeda?

Well, that is a question.  But it is a question that is unnecessary and irrelevant.

What Write is suggesting is that we are not better than Al Qaeda when we call on god to help us defeat our enemies.  Especially when there are innocent people who are going to die from that action.

We are better than that, and we should not call upon God.  That is what Wright is saying....take a peek.

[America is] the same as al-Qaeda, under a different color flag, calling on the name a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem!

It’s pretty simple really.

Also, this statement came from the “chickens are coming home to roost” speech.  I think you are confusing them.

And lastLy, I will leave you with this.  One of our most cherished American authors made this very point.  His name?  Mark Twain.

(Twain apparently dictated “The War Prayer” around 1904-05; it
was found after his death among his unpublished manuscripts.
The actual prayer is also sometimes seen in poem form.)

The War Prayer

It was a time of great and exalting excitement.  The
country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned
the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands
playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing
and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and
fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of
flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched
down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the
proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering
them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by;
nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot
oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and
which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of
applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the
churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and
invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause
in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.
It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash
spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt
upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry
warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank
out of sight and offended no more in that way.

Sunday morning came--next day the battalions would
leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were
there, their young faces alight with martial dreams--visions of the
stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the
flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping
smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!  Then home from the
war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden
seas of glory!  With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud,
happy, and envied by the neighbors and fiends who had no sons
and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for
the flag, or , failing, die the noblest of noble deaths.  The
service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was
read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst
that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose,
with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that
tremendous invocation

*God the all-terrible!  Thou who ordainest!
Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!*

Then came the “long” prayer.  None could remember the like of
it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language.
The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and
benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young
soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic
work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour
of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and
confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the
foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable
honor and glory--

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and
noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister,
his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head
bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his
shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to
ghastliness.  With all eyes following him and wondering, he
made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the
preacher’s side and stood there waiting.  With shut lids the
preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued with his
moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in
fervent appeal, “Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord
our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”

Continued..

The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside—which the startled minister did—and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said

“I come from the Throne-bearing a message from Almighty God!” The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. “He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd and grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import-that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of-except he pause and think.

“God’s servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two- one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of His Who hearth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this-keep it in mind. If you beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor’s crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

“You have heard your servant’s prayer-the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it-that part which the pastor, and also you in your hearts, fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: ‘Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!’ That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory-must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God the Father fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

“O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle-be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it-for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(After a pause)

“Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits.”

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.

First part again...better format.

The War Prayer - Mark Twain

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and sputtering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spreads of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country and invoked the God of Battles, beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpouring of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.

It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

Sunday morning came-next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their faces alight with material dreams-visions of a stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!-then home from the war, bronzed heros, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation—“God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest, Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!”

Then came the “long” prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was that an ever--merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory -

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher’s side and stood there, waiting.

With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal,"Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”

And again...the money quote:

“O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle-be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it-for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(After a pause)

“Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits.”

He seems to have done quite well for himself in such a flawed country.

Just another purveyor of victimhood, hating America with his snout in the trough of her largesse.

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Now, I look forward to your abuse of Twain and lectures of how he is/was just another liberal.

Certainly nobody is going to be honest enough to admit the poignant message both Mark Twain and Jeremiah Wright brought to our attention.  More so will you fail to give Wright the credit for understanding Twain so thoroughly.

I am looking forward to all of the intelligent responses, because, you know, this is a blog and all.

it is a question that is unnecessary and irrelevant.

Two subjects you exemplify, Hannie!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Do you deliberately try to mislead people?  Or are you simply uneducated and unable to understand complex truths?

I believe he does try to mislead shano.  He is either a deliberate propagandist or he is unable to understand complex truths.  Most republicans aren’t able to do such. 

In their minds, they hear it as hating America.  But to you and I, we know it as loving America so much, that you want to protect it from this crazed abuse.

Barry has some splainin to do, seems that his minister has said some questionable stuff and it makes you really think honestly these things shouldn’t be in anyone’s sermon in any body’s church. This is blatant ant-American crap and there is no way to spin this to make it look better it is what it is.

I am watching that interview you talk of, seems to Obama isn’t doing all that well.

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I look forward to your abuse of Twain

Nonsense! Twain was an American Master. You, on the other hand, are an American Masturbater!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

But to you and I, we know it as loving America so much, that you want to protect it from this crazed
abuse.

Right out of 1984; love is hate.  Typical leftie bullshit propaganda.  Wright should have his tax exempt status pulled.  The American taxpayer shouldn’t be subsizing his little racist hate factory.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

BTW, If you can point me to the work where Twain said “God Damn America”, I’d be more surprised than obliged!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

This is blatant ant-American crap and there is no way to spin this to make it look better it is what it is.

You mean “UN-spin” what YOU call anti-American crap. 

Some Americans don’t want the goverment to wage war in Gods name.  Because that is what Al Qaida does and we are better than them.

Goon!

Wright should have his tax exempt status pulled.  The American taxpayer shouldn’t be subsizing his little racist hate factory.

I don’t see any contention where a pastor talks about God, or those who use God’s name....to wage war.  Especially, if were talking about false prophets.

God Told Me to Kill

More on Bush’s statement that God told him to kill. More precisely: “God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”

Some Americans don’t want the goverment (sic) to wage war in Gods name.

Straw man! I’d think even you could come up with something better than this twaddle!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

You mean “UN-spin” what YOU call anti-American crap. 

Some Americans don’t want the goverment to wage war in Gods name.  Because that is what Al Qaida does and we are better than them.

Thats because leftards like yourself think you can talk your way out of all kinds of issues. The only thing Al Qaida understands is to be slapped and violence and a lot of people like me think we should keep killing the terrorists.

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H: Can’t you ever stay on topic?  President Bush isn’t a preacher, and doesn’t run a church with tax-exempt status.  Your entire piece of bullshit is irrelevant here.  Wright spews racist hate from the pulpit.  Nothing in the Constitution entitles him to do that tax-free.  If he wants to use his racist hate to raise money, let him pay the taxes on his hate money.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

H: Can’t you ever stay on topic?

I think his problem is more basic than that. I don’t think he can figure out what most of the topics are!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

robert108.  You are correct.  This is yet another “hands off” PC policy that needs to be addressed.  If the Rev. Wright endorses a candidate for President or some other office from the pulpit, then his church should be investigated for violation of tax free status.  This has been in “other” churches for a lot less.

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robert108.  You are correct.  This is yet another “hands off” PC policy that needs to be addressed.  If the Rev. Wright endorses a candidate for President or some other office from the pulpit, then his church should be investigated for violation of tax free status.  This has been in “other” churches for a lot less.

Very well said Chief. Addressing this stuff is not out of bounds and should not be deemed to be out of bounds. I am betting that Wright has endorsed Obama so it makes it even more important of an issue.

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Chief: I have also noticed over the years that if a Republican is in any way affiliated with a church, it’s big “church/state separation” in the MSM, but it’s not even mentioned when Dem politicians speak in a church, use a church for fund-raising(Al Gore) or have churches involved in their political campaigns.  Big double standard there.
For the record, IMO, the “separation of church and state” doesn’t appear in the Constitution, and keeping the State out of the church was the original intent of that part of the First Amendment.  It’s about protecting Religion from the State, not keeping religion out of politics.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

It’s leftie apoligists like han and shano that give power to posers like Wright and Obama.

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

Some Americans don’t want the goverment to wage war in Gods name.  Because that is what Al Qaida does and we are better than them.

And in our “god waged war” we have freed 2 countries and millions of people. We are shedding our blood, spending our money, and fighting their battles to try and save innocent people.

In al Quida’s “god waged war”, they have deliberately targeted civilians to start a civil war that they hoped would kill millions.

So, even if the motivation is IDENTICAL (it’s not), everything else is different.

That’s like saying, “Two men want a Ferrari. One works his ass off and saves so he can buy one. The second guy convinces him to stop on his way out of the lot, shoots him dead and steals his car. Both men wanted a Ferrari...therefore their actions are equal.”

Every thinking person looks at you with contempt after such an analogy, and rejects the comparison.

It boggles my mind that you guys find this man is worthy of any attention at all. If Trent Lott, for example, had been buddies with a klansman 20 years ago and had disavowed him now, I wouldn’t have any problem with it. I would judge him based on his record. I have heard rumors that there are some in this country who are determined to steal the election from Obama based on racial animosity. Supposedly the people who are playing a part in this
conspiracy are both black and white. Remember, this is only a rumor.
As far as separation of church and state, I think that tax exempt status should be taken away from all churches. They stick their feet into politics anyway.
Just think of all the riches we would have in our treasury. Then we would not have to borrow money from our enemies to pay our bills.

Just think of all the riches we would have in our treasury. Then we would not have to borrow money from our enemies to pay our bills.

You’re confused and ignorant, w; taxes only go to feed the govt, they are only a negative influence on the economy.  You have swallowed the leftie KoolAid in great quantities, apparently.

As a matter of fact, Trent Lott has come under fire for his past associations, but Obama’s “association” with the racist hatemonger Wright is current, so stop lying, OK?

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

The only thing Al Qaida understands is to be slapped and violence and a lot of people like me think we should keep killing the terrorists.

And of course, you missed the point Goon.

You can kill the terrorists all you like, I will even encourage you.  All I am asking is that you don’t wage war, where innocent civilians are killed, in Gods name. 

Some day you might get it, but I doubt that day will be anytime soon.

And in our “god waged war” we have freed 2 countries and millions of people. We are shedding our blood, spending our money, and fighting their battles to try and save innocent people.

And this result would have been achieved without Bush having to invoke God’s name into the matter. 

You too, miss the point Kenny.  Why am I not surprised?

So, even if the motivation is IDENTICAL (it’s not), everything else is different.

Somehow in your feeble mind you managed to equate the morality of AQs actions and the US’s.  Nobody is talking about that, were talking about WAR.....being waged.....in God’s name.

You may disagree, but my god would not participate in the dropping of a bomb that accidentally kills a 2 year old.  Our military can manage and achieve our success on its own, without the need to invoke Gods name.

AQ manages to kill innocent civilians in the name of Allah, striking our economic and military symbols (or “good targets”, hello Rumsfeld).  We manage to strike good targets (in the name of God) and kill innocent civilians on accident.  The end result is no different to the dead civilian, is it? 

God should not be involved in that process and this is the point of Writes message.

It’s leftie apoligists like han and shano that give power to posers like Wright and Obama.

Actually, its the politicans like Bush, who invoke God’s name for the sake of war and his party followers who upset and give justification to Writes words and Obamas eagerness to make this CHANGE.  Get used to that word, because a change is a comin.

By coincidence, I found this link immediately after posting that comment.  It happened to match my last statement.

A CHANGE IS A COMIN.  Better get used to it fellas.

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=2dd76d67-20ef-4e0b-98dc-a9bdb8cd7988

H: Wright and his fellow black liberationists have been preaching their racist hate for over twenty years, and you blame President Bush?  You must be a complete moron!
In the first place, adults are responsible for their own actions, and using someone else to justify your own violence is simply something children do.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

You too, miss the point Kenny. Why am I not surprised?

No, you missed the point when you tried to shift this thread from the hatemonger Wright to anyone else.  Wright’s words convict him, despite your desperate attempts at distraction.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

and you blame President Bush?  You must be a complete moron!

Topic:

calling on the name a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem!

Counter to topic:

I don’t see any contention where a pastor talks about God, or those who use God’s name....to wage war.  Especially, if were talking about false prophets.

God Told Me to Kill

More on Bush’s statement that God told him to kill. More precisely: “God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”

Tell me again, oh brilliant one, how I am off topic again.  My girlfriend needs a second laugh at your response.

It boggles my mind that you guys find this man is worthy of any attention at all. If Trent Lott, for example, had been buddies with a klansman 20 years ago and had disavowed him now, I wouldn’t have any problem with it.

If Trent Lott had had 20 years of contact with a klansman and just recently distanced himself (Barack never denounced Wright), the Leftists would be right in calling for his resignation. Same deal here.

Somehow in your feeble mind you managed to equate the morality of AQs actions and the US’s.  Nobody is talking about that, were talking about WAR.....being waged.....in God’s name.

No, were talking about someone equating the two. And don’t even insult my intelligence by claiming he was only talking about the God part. We both know he was fully equating the two. It’s downright dishonest...oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to.

Tell me again, oh brilliant one, how I am off topic again.

If you don’t know by now, little dude, don’t mess with it.

The topic here is Wright’s making any sort of equivalence between the US and Al Qaeda, which is totally false.  He attempted to do it on the basis of his own fantasy(and yours, apparently) that defending our country and the rest of the free world against terrorism is the same as committing terrorism.  This is a common meme of the hate-filled left, so his mistake is an obvious one.
You attempt to make his erroneous case for him(like you have done over and over again on this blog) that our President saying he was defending us against the perpetrators of terrorism was saying that “God told him to kill"(which he never said, even according to your cherry-picked “quote"), and that was the same as the terrorists, whose religion calls on them to slaughter/subjugate anyone who doesn’t worship their god in the approved manner.  You are defending terror ism.  Shame on you!

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

H: I know in your eagerness to support terrorism and racial hatred, you failed to make the simplest of analyses of what Wright said.  An English lesson for you:

All forms of the verb “to be"(in this case, “is”, as in “America is the same as Al Qaeda") are simply an expression of equality, as in “one plus one is two”.  One can substitute an = for the verb “to be”, which makes Wright’s statement: America equals Al Qaeda.  Even you can understand that is a false statement, as uttered.  You have had an English class, haven’t you?

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

You have had an English class, haven’t you?

r108: Careful! You’re implying facts not in evidence! Heh.

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

No, were talking about someone equating the two. And don’t even insult my intelligence by claiming he was only talking about the God part. We both know he was fully equating the two. It’s downright dishonest...oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to.

Wow.  You guys really can’t understand complex arguments.

Why does it insult your intelligence to focus the comparison on the specific charge Wright used as an example?

[America is] the same as al-Qaeda, under a different color flag, calling on the name a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem!

I don’t see any other comparison there, other than the God comparison.  Is he or is he not, in that sentence, only comparing us on our ability to wage war in the name of God?

And also, I don’t see anywhere where Wright says anything close to your conclusion that in every-way we are exactly like AQ.  That is simply dishonest to suggest he had.

Actually, let me provide the full quote, because Rob dishonestly cut it out..AND ADDED WORDS THAT WERE NOT THERE!!!

Why did you do that Rob?  I demand that you change your post considering the circumstances.  I betcha wont.  Will you?

-- “We cannot see how what we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag,” he said of America’s involvement in Iraq. “Calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem.”

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=27639

It is simply dishonest to claim he didn’t say what he said.  He said: “America is the same as Al Qaeda...”

I guess you don’t know enough about English to understand what he said, but “is” means equivalence, exact equivalence.  He said it, but you desperately try to sling enough bullshit to obscure the truth here.

Al Qaeda’s terrorist chickens have come home to roost, and that’s why we’re killing them.  They made themselves our enemy by slaughtering our civilians, and now they are paying for it.
War is not murder, but terrorism is, and that’s a difference you are apparently too stupid to grasp.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

All forms of the verb “to be"(in this case, “is”, as in “America is the same as Al Qaeda") are simply an expression of equality, as in “one plus one is two”.

First, that was not what Wright said.  And second, even with Rob intentionally lying and distorting the sentence, the proper context could be found, if you weren’t a blind partisan trying to burn the witch.

They made themselves our enemy by slaughtering our civilians, and now they are paying for it.

Nobody in Iraq, killed our civilians.  So why are they paying for it?

Why does George Bush invoke God name and claim to be a false prophet when he says God told him to strike Iraq??

Now, not only did Rob......LIE....but he also left out context....(DISTORTING)......in an effort to mischaracterize what Wright said.....(PROPAGANDA).

Now if you don’t mind, if you don’t mind, I’m going to hang out here, homiletically for just a little while, and then I’m going to let you go home. I have got to pause here, however, as a pastor, because a lot of people still confused 2,000 years later. They still confuse God with their government. Now see, we can see clearly the confusion in the mind of a few Muslims, and please notice, I did not say all Muslims, I said a few Muslims, who see Allah as condoning killing, and killing any and all who don’t believe what they believe. They call it jihad. We can see clearly the confusion in their minds, but we cannot see clearly what it is that we do. We call it crusade when we turn right around and say that our God condones the killing of innocent civilians as a necessary means to an end. We say that God understands collateral damage. We say that God knows how to forgive friendly fire. We say that God will bless the shock and awe as we take over, unilaterally, another country, calling it a coalition government, we’ve got three guys from Australia, going against the United Nations, going against the majority of Christians, Muslims and Jews throughout the world, making a preemptive strike in the name of God. We cannot see, however, what we are doing is the same thing al Qaeda is doing under a different colored flag, calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem.

So not only was Wright specifically talking about God (Kenny), he didn’t even say what Rob distorted and lied about. 

Therefore, no matter how much you try and spin yourself away from your own lies.....you can’t play english teacher on me by claiming he said what he said.  (Robert)

Rob is a LYING, DISTORTING, PROPAGANDIST.  And now there is no way you can deny this.

Nobody in Iraq, killed our civilians. So why are they paying for it?  Typical leftie bullshit; Wright equivalenced us to Al Qaeda, and I spoke of Al Qaeda, and now you want to change the subject.

Why does George Bush invoke God name and claim to be a false prophet when he says God told him to strike Iraq??

I’m guessing that he’s telling his truth, since, unlike his predecessor, President Bush is a truthful man.  After Clinton facilitated Al Qaeda during the Nineties, culminating in 9/11, we elected a real leader, who has taken the fight to the enemy.
Nowhere has he claimed to be “a false prophet”, so you lie there.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

What I find most amazing about you, H, is that instead of justifying Wright’s hatespew against America(which you did in the first place), now you have shifted into denial mode, trying to claim he never said it, even after you quoted him yourself!  You lefties never stop lying!
Of course, I already knew that.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Robert,

Are you going to ignore the fact that Rob lied about what Wright said?  Are you going to admit he changed the word so that he could build a strawman, then knock him down?  Are you going to admit NOW, that I was right from the start?

No.  You will not admit that Rob, the dishonest propagandist changed the words.  It is all he has left.

Prophet: In religion, a prophet (or prophetess) is a person who has encountered the supernatural or the divine and serves as an intermediary with humanity.

Now when Bush claimed God spoke to him and instructed him to strike Iraq, (who did not attack us as you claimed)....that is serving as an intermediary on behalf of Americans.  I do not appreciate him doing that, or lying about God instructing him to do so.

now you have shifted into denial mode, trying to claim he never said it, even after you quoted him yourself!  You lefties never stop lying!
Of course, I already knew that.

What I find most amazing about you Robert, is what a deceptive liar you are and how far you will go to deny Rob’s hate post.

Not only are you stuck with having to deny that Wright never said “America is the same”.....but now you have to deny that Wright was specifically talking about calling on God to wage war in his name.

The bonus is now, not only do I get to watch you squirm away from your english teacher argument, but you will squirm away from the fact that Iraq never attacked us.  You will squirm away from the fact that Rob is lying and you will squirm away from the fact that WRIGHT was right.

People can not see how when we call on God to support are war, we are doing the same as our enemies.  Wright is right.

(who did not attack us as you claimed)....

I claimed no such thing, liar.  The facts; after the Clinton-enabled attack on our soil on 9/11, we rightly targeted Al Qaeda, and after determining that they were now in Afghanistan.  We went after them there, and liberated the Afghani people from the Taliban in the process; after 14 months, we went after them in Iraq, along with terrorism sponsor and supporter(and murdering dictator Saddam Hussein).  Al Qaeda and all the other Islamic terror groups poured into Iraq to try to kill us, but we killed them, while they used most of their resources to kill Iraqis in the attempt to intimidate them to support Islamic terrorism.  They failed, the Iraqi people have had three real elections, and are well on the way to self-determination.  This was not done in God’s Name, as you wrongly assert, but in the name of freedom and self-determination, as well as teaching the terrorists(including Al Qaeda) what happens when they strike at us.  They get killed.

Rob told the truth; you and Wright and Obama lie.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Robert,

Are you going to ignore the fact that Rob lied about what Wright said?  Are you going to admit he changed the word so that he could build a strawman, then knock him down?  Are you going to admit NOW, that I was right from the start?

I am beginning to think that Hannitized has a man crush on Rob. :(

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....They made themselves our enemy by slaughtering our civilians, and now they are paying for it.- Robert

That is what you said.  I replied with:

Nobody in Iraq, killed our civilians. So why are they paying for it? -Hannitized

So when I brought up the fact that Iraqis didin’t attack us on 9/11...you say:

Typical leftie bullshit; - Robert

So when you say it is bullshit....about Iraqi’s not attacking us on 9/11...you are saying that they attacked us.

I can not help what you said Robert.  You said it.  How does it feel to be quoted on your own words and to be held to them?

I am beginning to think that Hannitized has a man crush on Rob. :(

Typical response from a rightie when they are loosing the debate.

Goon, do you think it was right for Rob to change the words Wright used....and also to remove context so that he could feed his sheep the crapseed you both like to devour?

I can not help what you said Robert.  You said it.  How does it feel to be quoted on your own words and to be held to them?

You didn’t quote me, you misquoted me.  I correctly pointed out your changing the subject from Al Qaeda(what I and Wright said) and Iraq(what you said).
You can’t seem to stop lying.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

To quote you:

[America is] the same as al-Qaeda, under a different color flag, calling on the name a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem!

I don’t see any other comparison there, other than the God comparison.  Is he or is he not, in that sentence, only comparing us on our ability to wage war in the name of God?

And also, I don’t see anywhere where Wright says anything close to your conclusion that in every-way we are exactly like AQ.  That is simply dishonest to suggest he had.
Hannitized on April 28, 2008 at 11:50 am

You print the quote, then deny that he said it.  You are just another lying leftie scumbag, H.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

You didn’t quote me, you misquoted me.

The difference between Rob and myself is I used your exact words.  That is honest and truthful. 

I cant help it if you say stupid things.

You print the quote, then deny that he said it.  You are just another lying leftie scumbag, H.

I “pasted” the quote (not printed) Rob distorted and changed.  Even under his distortion, the quote reads accurate that he is talking about calling on God to wage war.

-- “We cannot see how what we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag,” he said of America’s involvement in Iraq. “Calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem.” - Wright

I used your exact words.

No you didn’t; I said “Al Qaeda”, and you changed it to “Iraqis”.  You lied, again and again.

We are killing Al Qaeda because they killed our civilians in a cowardly sneak attack.  When they went into Iraq, we killed them there.  The terrorists killed the Iraqi citizens, so you lie there, too.
Finally, war may be mayhem(especially for the terrorists), but it’s not murder to kill the terrorists who are out to kill you.
Another lie from you and Wright.
We also didn’t wage war on terrorism in the Name of God, like you said, so you lied again, as did Wright.

Doesn’t it bother you that all your ideology depends on lies?

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

this is the point of Writes message

Typical response from a rightie when they are loosing (sic) the debate

Is he or is he not, in that sentence, only comparing us on our ability to wage war in the name of God?

No. He falsely compares the US to Al Qaeda. Your spin attempts won’t change that!

Now, not only did Rob......LIE (RPDS)....but he also left out context....(DISTORTING)......in an effort to mischaracterize what Wright said.....(PROPAGANDA[)/b].

Thanks to your carelessness, the whole thread from this point on is in “bold”. I’ve called upon one of the adults at this site to clean up after you! You’re welcome!

[America is] the same as al-Qaeda, under a different color flag, calling on the name a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem!

Hannie: Do you believe that the members of our military are murderers? Rev. Wright seems to think so. Or is his speech in a “Logic Free Zone” where words don’t mean what they otherwise would?
Wright’s words are either facile or evil or both.
Do you endorse what he is saying?
Hannie: Do you hate America as much as “Reverend” Wright does?

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

So, it’s exactly as I said.

Wright said America and al Quida are the same thing, with different names, flags, and words for God. Both kill innocent civilians in the name of the lord claiming he blessed them.

So, it’s exactly what we said.

It takes an awful lot of chutzpah to post the quote, and then deny what was said, claiming it means something completely different.

You’re a stupid lil kid H. No matter how much we tell you the truth, you go “uh uh” and claim yourself the winner.

Kenny,

You fricking fool.  That is not what Wright said.  Rob misquoted him on purpose and changed the words…

Here is what Wright said.  You complete idiot.

-- “We cannot see how what we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag,” he said of America’s involvement in Iraq. “Calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem.”

And for the truly complete idiot, let’s break the sentence down and see if he understands it:

what we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag, Calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem. We cannot see how.

Why do you and Rev. Wright hate the US, Hannie?

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

How did Rob misquote him, moron?

When he removed the words Wright actually used and replaced them with his own.  That would be misquoting, by any stretch of the imagination.

by any stretch of the imagination.

Dullard! You have no imagination to stretch! Back to the Kiddie Pool, Cretin Kahuna. You have no business amongst honest adults in conversation!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.