i haven’t heard of that. do you have a link to it? who said that? was it the fascist obama or the fascist bush? or did you make it all up in your seriousally corroded, fascistic, lying brain?

You don’t buy that Obama is ignoring the troop request? Who’s being partisan now? McCrystal and our NATO allies are BEGGING him to go ahead and approve the additional 40,000 troops that McCryrstal has asked for. Why do you back McCrystal when he backs a program you like but suddenly his request for more troops becomes a “Republican” argument..

Hannitized:

And of course, he is never correct in his history, and seldom understands what he is talking about.

LOL. Self-referential statement if I’ve ever seen one.

Do the commanders on the ground want this? Got proof of that, lyingcourt?

Have you ever known a commander who did not want every tool they could get?
But as a matter of fact I do. From a CNN article http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/28/afghanistan.taliban.pay/index.html:

"Most of the fighters we see in Afghanistan are Afghans, some with [a] foreign cadre with them," said Gen. Stanley McChrystal in a July 28 Los Angeles Times interview. Most are not ideologically or even politically motivated, he said in the interview. "Most are operating for pay; some are under a commanders charismatic leadership; some are frustrated with local leaders."

you are right – This is something he knows about. Maybe we should yeild to his judgement and expertise on this. Chicago is as corrupt as Afghanistan.

You watching the roller coaster? People are going to be losing their minds before this week is over. http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/marketsummary/

No, hioney. You supporting Muslim terrorists against real humans in creating a never ending cycle. But you know that.

Poor little socialist, now it is a poser, too. Cry us a river. Surrender, why is that your first option, socialist ass?

As for veteran and active duty funerals, been involved since the 1980s. Surrender to America’s enemies is exactly what all those American soldiers want, right? Tell us about how groveling on our knees will bring peace with Muslim terrorists. We love laughing at morons like you.

Ah, ain’t that cute? e thinks it has an opinion. She must have finally got her tampon to stop leaking.

Whats wrong, honey? Did you forget you were using your suckpuppet in this thread?

No, dumbass, “a” General wants it. Others do not. You really are a stupid liar, you should work on those skills, if you ever want to be a lawyer, dumbass.

i agree that we should send more troops into afghanistan. that way we could run more taiban into pakistan to create more trouble there. then when pakistan falls we could invade them for “national security” sake. that is, unless the pakinstani military secret service, the ISI, don’t take over the government. the ISI happened to like the taliban. i wonder what they’ll do with their nuclear missiles?

but i like war with pakistan. we’re bombing them already. let’s add a 100,000 more troops over there. i say war in pankistan! i don’t care how many of our troops die. i am PATRIOTIC!!!! i don’t care how much worthless money we have to print. i am PATRIOTIC!!!!

you left something out. And you do understand that fascism, socialism, Marxism, communism, AND CAPITALISM are all the same thing. You just switch words back and forth, alter definitions, rewrite history to support… i mean if your going to alter definitions, why not go for the gusto?
why either bother with definitions when you can made them up. why, you’re a genius!!!

you a republican, aren’t you? this from “The Reality of Red-State Fascism”.

“In short, what we have alive in the US is an updated and Americanized fascism. Why fascist? Because it is not leftist in the sense of egalitarian or redistributionist. It has no real beef with business. It doesn’t sympathize with the downtrodden, labor, or the poor. It is for all the core institutions of bourgeois life in America: family, faith, and flag. But it sees the state as the central organizing principle of society, views public institutions as the most essential means by which all these institutions are protected and advanced, and adores the head of state as a godlike figure who knows better than anyone else what the country and world’s needs, and has a special connection to the Creator that permits him to discern the best means to bring it about.

The American right today has managed to be solidly anti-leftist while adopting an ideology – even without knowing it or being entirely conscious of the change – that is also frighteningly anti-liberty. This reality turns out to be very difficult for libertarians to understand or accept. For a long time, we’ve tended to see the primary threat to liberty as coming from the left, from the socialists who sought to control the economy from the center. But we must also remember that the sweep of history shows that there are two main dangers to liberty, one that comes from the left and the other that comes from the right. ”

you can read it her.–> http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/red-state-fascism.html

all i could say about individual liberty is the Patriot Act.

i didn’t give you too much to read, did i? i don’t want to give you a headache, you little fascist.

You must have a hell of a cleanex bill, all that crying you do when your Muslim terrorists heroes get the sh%t stomped out of them. Now, screech some more, its always good for a laugh.

BTW, moron; fascism is State control of private enterprise. Only Obama is trying to turn the US into a fascist country with his takeovers of parts of the private sector.

Try to get an education.

“The Reality of Red-State Fascism”

More socialist screeching. Let us know when you wake up and get a clue, socialist screecher.

This would allow the commanders on the ground to use a discretionary fund for this purpose. It would be their decision in their AOR.

Why would you not want them to have all the tools they can at their disposal?

Lets see, didn’t the Guantanimo Inmates who were released say they would never resume fighting and weren’t they recaptured in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Weren’t the opium poppy farmers paid to grow other crops and didn’t they take the money and keep growing opium poppies, so do you think the Taliban will just take the money and quit fighting? Has former President Bush restored the tradition of Democracy to Iraq after finding the Weapons of Mass Destruction?
It will not work! Save the TAXPAYERS money!

The Sunnis are a religious sect; the Taliban are a terrorist group.
False equivalence.

So we just pay them forever?

Do you plan on being in Afghanistan forever? Well, I know it is not you personally, we both know what you think about military service.

You pay them for as long as we are there. They defend their villages and you take away a resource from the Taliban fairly inexpensively.

You than mount operations to go after the more hard corps cadre of the Taliban.

They are not paying the high level leaders of the Taliban. They are paying the disaffected youth who is their recruiting base. The military commanders in Afghanistan want this authority, why are you opposed? What do you know that they don”t?

winston:

why don’t you smack me with the truth about how its wasn’t done with george bush even though he had a congressional and a senate majority in 2003 or so. you remember that don’t you?

Very narrow senate majority in 2003.

The Democrats are riding on nearly veto proof.

Apples to oranges comparison.

that goes for 2hotel9, too. it no wonder how the libs portray us as dumbasses.

Taliban answers Bambi on his offer: “ask your wife for a key to the safe with your testicles”. That’s a loose translation. The more precise one reads: Taliban consider the U.S. measure “a sign of weakness and complete despondency of the enemy.
More waffles Bambi?

Our field commanders want to use the strategy, their leaders don’t want us to try the strategy.

Why are you siding with the Taliban?

If I could decipher your incoherent ramblings, winston, I would smack you with the truth, but I really don’t understand, with the missing words and the egregious misspelling, what you are on about.

Your list is one that describes what conservatives want to reform, and have been trying to reform, since at least 1964. You commie Dems have blocked any resolution of any of those troubled areas and have, in fact, increased their size and expense, thus making all of them worse.

Again, I can only guess at your meaning, due to your incoherence.

You’re the intolerant fascist here, winston. Stop your lying.

Two has called you on your lies, and has smacked you with the truth. As a leftie, it’s time for you to cut and run, just like you want us to cut and run from the terrorists.

Poor sanni, all that meth and alcohol withdrawl is making him cry. Don’t worry! Your ACCESS card should be monied up by Tuesday, and you can party your live away again. At least till you empty that welfare account again.

And had a terrible situation today that reminded me of you! I have finally marked that BAR down as NDG. First rifle in a long time I couldn’t square away. Damned shame.

Good Question – Ask Obama the same thing – The Ditherer in Chief hates the thought of a US military victory. What if freedom broke out.

I’m not Jewish.

And yet you skip over what else they have to say. Nice pickin’!

For you, since you are so myopic, Afghanistan is different from Iraq. Many Afghanis take up arms simply because someone, anyone, nationality irregardless, from outside their tribal area is in their tribal area. That includes people from the other side of the mountain or the world, religion is merely window dressing. And giving them money does not buy their loyalty, and little of their cooperation.

Stopping the Taliban and Al Queda from perpetuating their lies that Americans are in Afghanistan to steal their country from them is the primary goal, and the best way to do that is killing all Al Queda and Taliban leadership. And killing all mullahs these groups have installed in the rural provinces. You do understand that is how they operate, right? Hello? McFly? Anyone home?

Just handing out money will do nothing.

“Some people really take themselves too seriously.”

Spoken like a true narcissist.

This site is about two star grades higher than bathroom wall ramblings.

Some people really take themselves too seriously. What a joke.

And what do you think happens when we leave Afghanistan genius?

If we’re smart we do what we promised in the late 80s and 90s and help them with economic development.

Why do you oppose this if the commanders want this authority?

The funds come from a commanders discretionalry funds for projects like infrastructure development. You could make a principled argument that you believe that these payments do not do as much good as developing infrastructure. But that does not appear to be your argument. You simply use the mantra that we shouldn’t pay terrorist. But that is not what we are doing. We are paying very young men to not become Taliban. I don’t know if this will work, but I am willing to let the experts make the decision. The commanders on the ground want this and the civilian leadership in Washington seem willing to give it to them.

Your objections seem totally partisan.

Dumbass – the generals want more troops to win. Dems always want to spend more money.
Throwing more money into the moneypit is not always the answer.

Afghanistan is the poorest country on the face of the earth. The money should be spent on the people that are willing to help defeat the Taliban/islamo fascists. Al Qaeda and the Taliban will be laughing all the way to the bank if we move forward with this moronic plan. The joke will be on them if the dollar maintains current pace. Obama can just print as much as needed.

We’re paying the Sunni’s .
Wonder who did that

Oh, and it is a 1918A3 SLR repro. I have shot several others, love them. This b@tch just ain’t right.

A commander wants this, others don’t. It is all dependent on the AO. A point you are too stupid to get, obviously.

Ever heard of “Danegeld”, dumbass?

i like your comments. i will look them up. no telling me i’m a socialist nut job, just facts as you see them. :O)

The Sunnis are a religious sect; the Taliban are a terrorist group.

The big question Robert is why don’t you want to give the commanders on the ground this ability to make this decision?

No, because we are not their to take it from the Afghanis. Or are you going to screech that America is an evil, imperialist empire?

This was reported a couple of weeks ago, never heard about it again. Basically it will be a part of getting local villagers to side with Afghani government forces, and it will only work in some areas, in other they will take the cash and still support the Taliwackers.

Read this y’all. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102603394.html?wpisrc=newsletter

Valley-ism. An excellent way to say it.

Taliban answers Bambi on his offer: “ask your wife for a key to the safe with your testicles”. That’s a loose translation. The more precise one reads: Taliban consider the U.S. measure “a sign of weakness and complete despondency of the enemy.
More waffles Bambi?

we should leave afghastan alone.

Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.

~A pirate, from St. Augustine’s “City of God”

And you just can’t walk away from it. Got to keep screeching your socialist lies. Self destructive masochism. You got it bad.

Oh, and since you, e, are already in this, provide that list of the thousands and thousands of American citizens persecuted under the Patriot Act. Or are you going to continue to pretend you are “winston smith”? Ride that busted flush down in flames, sweety.

I will admit, Robert can spell, and his words are put together correctly, but all they ever say is:

Typical commie, leftie spin. I will smack you with the truth. You lie again.

And of course, he is never correct in his history, and seldom understands what he is talking about.

You just exposed the problem – ‘If we are smart’. obviously not refering the the current President and Congressional leadership. Democrats have not been right on a Defense issue since the Cuban missle crisis. Hell, JFK would be considered a right winger by today’s standards. The smart thing to do is to let the generals win the war. Bribery and corruption are favorite Dem/Lib tactics and tools but only temporary solutions. Any Kindness is viewed as weakness in that part of the world. Win the War, dictate terms for peace and regain the respect that has been lost by the paper tiger Democrats (Carter, Clinton and now Obama).

“And you do understand that fascism, socialism, Marxism, communism, AND CAPITALISM are all the same thing.”

You couldn’t be more wrong, moron. In the first place, what we have in the US is the free enterprise system, not “capitalism”. The free enterprise system is founded in free people making free choices, which is the exact opposite of the central control of socialism/fascism/communism.

Of course, since you just an ignorant shouter, you know nothing about the facts here.

Perhaps you would like to show us were America has claimed Afghanistan as its territory? Got any proof of that, socialist liar?

Can one of you conservatives who love to expound about how you support the troops explain to me why this bill allowing the commanders in the field to use their discretionary funds for this? It is the commanders on the ground who will make the determination if it is beneficial to their mission.

Why do you want to deny them this tool? It has worked before.

The military is a FIGHTING force not bankers the last time I checked. As much as you libs like to pretend you know everything you don’t so go get on the short bus and be quite like a nice little boy.

Now for my two cents:
The commanders on the ground had a very different plan than the presidents. They wanted troops not more money. Throwing money at terrorist is asking for them to come and kill you. These people live in a harsh society were physical strength is valued most, this action will be seen as a sign of weakness instead of power.

Do you suppose the military was consulted about this? I highly doubt it. We thought the Carter administration were a bunch of chicken shits. This one has him beat, hands down.

Ah, ain’t that cute? e thinks it has an opinion. She must have finally got her tampon to stop leaking.

Whats wrong, honey? Did you forget you were using your suckpuppet in this thread?

Ah, ain’t that cute? hotel thinks he made a point and has an opinion. She must have finally got her tampon to stop leaking.

Whats wrong, honey? Did you forget you were using your suckpuppet in this thread?

Loading the cash with enough polonium to kill someone would cost about ten million bucks a pop. I’m with 108 here; they’ll just get a few more crates of 7.62 Kalishnikov and a few more rpgs with the money.

Who is going to loan them money for this? Iran?

Which model is the B.A.R.?

You’re the intolerant fascist here, winston. Stop your lying.

Two has called you on your lies, and has smacked you with the truth. As a leftie, it’s time for you to cut and run, just like you want us to cut and run from the terrorists.

The above quote from robert180 who has famously asserted:

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

Link please to McChrystal being in favor of it. I certainly don’t believe you.

But you can’t have it both ways. If this is all good because McChrystal is in board then why do you give Obama a pass for ignoring the troop requests? And ignoring McChrystal for the most part in general?

Because you’re a partisan hack that’s why.

And you do understand that fascism, socialism, Marxism, communism are all the same thing. You just switch words back and forth, alter definitions, rewrite history to support your anti-American sh%t.

Now, explain for the class how being against government encroachment into private industry and individual liberty is fascism. This drivel ought to be funny as hell.

We do understand and have known for years, that fascism, socialism, Marxism, communism are all the similar. You just switch words back and forth, alter definitions, rewrite history to support your fascist sh%t.

Now, explain for the class who is being for government encroachment into private industry and individual liberty you fascist pig. This drivel ought to be funny as hell.

There were several models produced. Which one were you working on?
M1918, ………

2hotel9 :

Perhaps you would like to show us were America has claimed Afghanistan as its territory? Got any proof of that, socialist liar?

Perhaps you would like to show us which American has claimed, that some American claimed that Afghanistan is its territory? Got any proof of that, drunk liar?

blockquote> I certainly don’t believe you.

And why you don’t believe him? The info is readily available for the not lazy.

You are drunk again. This is too easy.
You have to remember, when you are commenting whilst drunk in a thread you have to keep straight trying to convince us that you are not. Now go change that leaky tampon, and come back and post when you are not drunk. That’s an order soldier.

2hotel9

Where is all that proof that America has claimed Afghanistan as its territory?

Where is your proof that an American has claimed Afghanistan as its territory?
You moron.

Oh, and it is a 1918A3 SLR repro. I have shot several others, love them. This b@tch just ain’t right.

Nice of you to try to repair it. Some things though are to be thrown away.
I shot one in the past, I was impressed.

I would loved to been a fly on the wall at this meeting where they came up with this idea…Do they like pound their heads on the table first to see if anything intelligent falls out. All I see is lots more poppy fields…