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Hey Wright.....

Whatsamatta you? Do Moden Italian people didna even exist back den.

Every time I hear something from Rev. Wright, I expect that this time, maybe this time, the MSM will actually go, “Hey, you know what? That Rev. Wright is a crackpot racist. Maybe we need to ask Obama more pointed questions...”

Then I wake up and realize it will never happen.

You eat the sandwich. The fact that it screams while you’re doing so only bothers you a little bit...

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Open mouth.
Remove first foot.
Insert second.
Repeat.

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* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Foot, proof?  This guy is nibbling on his kneecaps.

I thought that my misspent youth had given me quite a range of ethnic slurs to avoid using.  While that’s entirely true, I must thankfully concede that Rev. Wright knows better than I.

And from the pulpit.  Yeesh!

Rob,

As an American of Italian heritage, as a Christian who knows full well the Roman culpability in the killing of Christ, and as an intelligent person who has witnessed your slander of numerious ethnic and racial groups, I have to ask that you save your pearl clutching and faux outrage.

Please.

Wing Chung:

Fongool.

As an American of Italian heritage, as a Christian who knows full well the Roman culpability in the killing of Christ, and as an intelligent person…

Two out of three, maybe?
So, you equate “Roman” with “Italian”? That would come as quite a surprise to many Romans, I’m afraid!

The Apostle Paul (of Tarsus), for example, was a Roman citizen.  Perhaps as “an intelligent person”, you would be so kind as to tell us exactly which part of Italy Tarsus is in?

Faux outrage trumps faux intelligence any day of the week!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof-

Good to see you’re conceding that Rob’s outrage is faux.

I’m certainly privledged to defend my ancestry on a thread where the first post is a freaking caricature. But what the hell, you seem to be a particularly ignorant person, and informing you on aspects of the tribe that gave you the alphabet you struggle with could be my good deed for the day.

I’ve read Cicero, Virgil, and Levy; I’ve been to the Colloseo and the Pantheon and walked in the footsteps of my ancestors. Proof, they happened to be in Rome. I might be mistaken, but I seemed to remember Rome being in Italy.

As for your Paul of Tarsus diversion, I’d be happy to direct your attention to Gibbon; he does a good job of explaining the nuances of Roman citizenship and the Latin Right and the castes of ancient Roma. But then, you’d have to be more intellectually curious and honest than you actually are, so I’ll leave you with this very apt metaphor in the form of a question:

Proof, you are aware that folks born in Puerto Rico are American citizens, right?

So tell me, Proof, what works of antiquity are you familiar with? Did you go to the Olive Garden for some hospitaliano, and now you’re a professor of classical studies? Did you watch season two of Everybody Loves Raymond and now you are a certified ethnologist and geneologist?

Then you would know that Italian as a national identity is really a pretty modern phenomenon, wouldn’t you, *, to the point that when Italy won the World Cup, it was the first time many of her citizens knew what their flag looked like?

Right?

Personally, I’m at a loss to say where our gracious host may have slandered any ethnic group.  Perhaps you should provide some evidence.

At the very least, it doesn’t rise to the level of what Rev. Wright is doing.

BB-

“Italian” as an ethnicity is “modern” in precisely the same way “German” is an ethnicity that is “modern.” Sure there were Teuts, Saxons, Engles, etc back in the day, but you ask any Bavarian or Prussian how they feel about being the only nationality not colonized and subjugated by a certain Italian tribe back in the day, they certainly revel in a certain national pride. At least the Germans and German-American’s I’ve asked feel that way.

Unanimously.

Perhaps you and Proof can go meet in your local liberry and pull a few books about antiquity. Perhaps a discussion which particular peninsula granted automatic Roman citizenship to those born to free citizens on that peninsula.

Now, if Italy hadn’t already won the world cup in 1934, 1938, & 1982, you might have a point (whatever the hell that is), about the flag being ‘new’ to ‘Italians.’

Speaking of world cup, maybe you can go on the googles and perhaps learn why their team color isn’t on their flag. Here’s a hint: it is from an Italian royal family, whose historical roots are tied to principalities not completely inside Italy anymore.

Does that mean the House of Savoy is not Italian? By using the same ‘logic’ you and Proof are implying here about Rome, the answer is no.

You may be asking yourself, “Well then, why does Italy wear azure as a team color?”

The answer lies in the fact that Italians are not as ignorant about their history as you two are.

As for evidence of slander? Geez. I’m not opening that door. I’ve got certain, um reservations about that.

Get it?

No?

Look at the ITALIcized words for a clue.

Some communities don’t like it when Rob speaks for them, whether they’re from Federal Hill or Turtle Mountain.

Good to see you’re conceding that Rob’s outrage is faux.

No, I merely stated faux outrage trumps faux intelligence. I said nothing at all about Rob! Real intelligence would have caught that too, buffoon! But, then, your habit is to ass-ume what you don’t know and what you don’t know would fill volumes!

ass-terisk: Your insulting diatribe is beneath my contempt. Full of too many unwarranted ass-umptions! And do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Or her brother, your dad?
As for you:

...and the horse you rode in on!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof, I’m sorry if my knowledge and pride in my roots force your profound insecurities to bubble to the surface.

I offer my apologies, as you seem either ignorant or embarrassed of your own heritage. Which is tragic, particularly for a boy such as yourself.

Thank goodness he didn’t mention Etruscans.

and as an intelligent person who has witnessed your slander of numerious ethnic and racial groups

First, I’ve slandered “numerious” ethnic and racial groups?  To my knowledge I’ve only once invoked the wrath of Indian tribe, so certainly the “numerious” claim is a lie. 

Second, what I did to get kicked off that reservation was simply write a column where I spoke the truth.  I said that conditions were bad on the Indian reservation (which they are, you needn’t take my word for that simply look at any tribal application for things like housing/health care assistance) and called for an end to the reservation system, which I pointed out correctly isn’t doing the Indians themselves any great service.

Third, if I had lied in that column it would have been libel.  Slander is spoken.  Libel is written.

So aside from spelling your name right on your comment (presuming your name is, in fact, a punctuation mark that bears an uncanny resemblance to a sphincter) you’re right about exactly nothing.

But thanks for commenting.  It certainly is entertaining!

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

Rob,

I’m touched you feel the need to step in and speak out for us folks with vowels at the end of the name. Particularly given your site’s record of defending the ‘other’ Latin-Americans.

I read your Turtle Mountain article, I read your subsequent defenses. I’ve been to reservations out here, and sure, there are many problems, some of which need to be addressed within their respective communities and their leadership.

But guess what: you and I are both outsiders, reaping the dividends that these communities had to pay at gunpoint. Addressing the ills of other’s communities may be our First Ammendment right, but it is not our perogative.

In short: You can’t point a finger at a community and call it a good-faith argument.

Given the positions you’ve staked in the past, please enlighten me: how can Americans of Italian descent not construe your Obama-cum-Wright bashing as patronizing?

Feel free to throw in a few grammatical definitions if you feel they bolster your argument.

Regards,
*

But guess what: you and I are both outsiders, reaping the dividends that these communities had to pay at gunpoint.

What dividends would those be?

In short: You can’t point a finger at a community and call it a good-faith argument.

Sure you can.

Rob
This would’ve been an opportune post to link to my recent ‘public service announcement from 1670’. just a thought. similar themes.

What dividends would those be?

Take a good look at the stuff below your shoes and tell us what you see.

Take a good look at the stuff below your shoes and tell us what you see.

Oh, so the earth itself.

Using that logic, they are also reaping the dividends.

I’m sorry if my knowledge and pride

Pride? Or condescending arrogance?

(Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.)

as you seem either ignorant or embarrassed of your own heritage

Wrong! But thanks for playing! Newsflash! Your gift isn’t discernment!

a boy such as yourself.

I have tried to instruct others here about making ass-umptions of things they know nothing about. You would do well to restrict yourself to things you do know well. Which in your case, appears to be words of sound and fury...signifying nothing!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Yo, Vinnie the Asterisk -

If you are going to quote Cicero, the Latin nominitive neuter fot the popular name of the Flavian Amphitheatre is “Colosseum” - I think you got the Esperanto version in there - it ain’t Italian.

1870 and the Franco-Prussian War - look it up.

Also - it is “vaffanculo”, not “fangool” unless you are just some poseur from Bensonhurst. Actually I suspect you are a poseur who got his “Italian heritage” from one too many Super Mario games, but I digress.

just some poseur from Bensonhurst?

I think he has Season 1 of The Sopranos on DVD!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

*,

Don’t let the ad-hominem slow you down.  That’s all they’ve got.

And, you’ve got Proof summed up perfectly.  Please continue.

H

you’ve got Proof summed up perfectly

Abbott has found his Costello!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

More apt: Tweedledum has found his Tweedledumber!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Every sinful human being that has ever lived is responsible for the death of Christ. Anyone who claims to be a Christian would know that simple fact. I am as culpable for the death of my savior as anyone who ever walked and breathed. I wonder if Reverend (not a scriptural title) Wright has bothered to open the book itself, or just watched the really bad Jesus of Nazareth movies from the sixties.

As long as you’re leaving us Calabrese out of it, go ahead have your dung throwing party.

I’m just amused that a supposedly educated man like the the Rev Wright can’t do any better than ‘garlic noses’.

If he ain’t a walking talking cullie joke, I don’t know what is.

reverend 1428, “worthy of respect,” from M.Fr. reverend, from L. reverendus “(he who is) to be respected,” gerundive of revereri (see reverence). As a form of address for clergymen, it is attested from 1485; earlier reverent (c.1380 in this sense). Abbreviation Rev. is attested from 1721, earlier Revd. (1693). Very Reverend is used of deans, Right Reverend of bishops, Most Reverend of archbishops.

Manufactured by men to indicate respect for one that speaks of God’s Word, and in recent years is really a shorthand title meaning a Christian minister. So, Wrught can claim it as a Church Of Christ minister, but to many of us it does not indicate much respect.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

That’s ‘mullie’, not ‘cullie’.
typo.
so shoot me.

mullie ?

Luke 20:
45While all the people were listening, Jesus said to his disciples, 46"Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely.”

Matthew 7:
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Please do not mistake the Church of Christ with Rev. Wright’s UNITED Church of Christ. The two are about as far apart as Hindus and Quakers.

Gino-

Ron Paul?!? Ron Paul?!?

I’m sorry, you’re a bigger embarrassment to the community than Joe Pesci and Rick Pitino’s suits put together. Get your $hit together, man.

Eingang-

I said American of Italian descent, so that’s fongool you, too, if you desire my attention. Or va’a fare in culo, for your mad google skills. Either way, sit and spin.

1853 and the Crimean War, look it up.

And while you’re googling your intellectual plumage, it’s Colosseo, foro, San Petro, etc.; but please, have another breadstick and tell me all about Italy. I’m all ears.

I hear when you’re at Olive Garden, you’re family.

These comments are far removed from a very crucial point - that is, how can we Americans even CONSIDER electing someone who has clearly endorsed this grotesque and ignorant promoter of racism as our President???

I have noticed a sharp uptick of Obama-nation(s) on various conserv. blogs seeking with the sowing of faux outrage and scatter-shot recriminations to promote the dis-unity of those who would critcally, and w/logic review the “Obamanation” of those who shaped and molded the racial vision of B.O. and there-by divide those who would peel the warning bells, or even lamp the steeples with the aim of religating those Revere_d Sirs to ineffectiveness.

I like not the odor of that.

- martin.musculus

Hi, MartinM:  Um, I think your posts would be more informative and enjoyable if you used less convoluted language: sentence structure, grammar, syntax.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on March 27, 2008 at 06:27 am

Thanks, pparets! Searching on your name here yields instances of illumination that cheer me—the mental nats haven’t taken over the world… yet ;-p

Actually if the comment is as “clear as mud” then I have achieved my desires. ;-} It is a comment, not on the subject at hand, but most of the posting following it.  I thought it might amuse while underlining the quality of those “you aint really a pizan” posts.  I also felt it was a classier method than screaming & pulling out the 3 remaining hairs on my head.

Despite the limitations of PDA’s interface, I carefully crafted that statement - parallelisms & all.

Though obtuse and overloaded with florals, I did make a valid point.  The libs are using paid operatives to muddy the blogs and sow dissent, mistrust, and anger amongst the flavors of conservatism.  We need to keep our arguments to the point.  This “you got to walk in my shoes to understand/comment on my actions” is the worst sort of gamesmanship because its only purpose is to shut down discussion.  I’ve never eaten a pound of cyanide hydrocl., but I know its a stupid thing to do…

Mankind’s intellect specifically allows each of us to put ourselves in “another’s shoes” mentally.  I realize this presupposes that one possesses said mental faculities originally.

I do really apologize and crave pardon of all those - such as Your August Self - who are actually adults and provide constructive crit.

- martin.musculus

MartinM:  In my view, you would be a welcome addition to the SAB. Please register!  Nothing to it…

...pulling out the 3 remaining hairs on my head…

Hahaha!  Good stuff!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Wing Chung:
Fongool.

*,

For the record, my family comes from Vittorio Veneto, in the Northeast of the Italian peninsula.

So I reserve the right to make jokes about my people the same way Crhis Rock uses the N-Word.

So back at you!

Not too many folks in the USA have roots from that region.

I smell B.S.

Regardless, does your “family” know you’re using a Chris Rock skit to justify denigrating your “people” to outsiders?

You’re either lying or a fool.

You’re either lying or a fool.

Yet more evidence that ass-terisk either isn’t a Christian, or at least, not a very good one!

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgement. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Have a nice day, *!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Not too many folks in the USA have roots from that region.

Depends on what Italian neighborhood you go to. There are quite a few Italians from the Veneto region in and around New Haven Connecticut, where most of my relatives remain, not so many in New York City.

But that’s beside the point, nothing I said can be remotely construed as denigration. If you think my little jest is Slanderous against Italians, you muct really hate Rosemary Clooney and Dean Martin for the libelous Mambo Italiano.

Get a sense of humor!