My professor once told me that’s the surest sign that your opponent knows he has lost the battle.

Physician, heal thy peevish, whiny, little bitch self!

This just shows how out of touch Obama and the left are.

Either that, or the aids are lying too! Young Mr. Obama is a product of the Democrat Party machine of Chicago, arguable one of the two largest, most corrupt city political organizations in the country. Presumptions of public “servant” integrity in Chicago are for grade-schoolers.

There it is.

I knew it wouldn’t take long for some complete dipshit

Wow … an ad hominem attack. And in the second sentence too. I must have struck a nerve. Are you that mad or are you suddenly realizing that you are completely bereft of ground to stand on so you need to resort to namecalling??

to tell us that Obama saying something exactly as he meant it was nothing more than a lie.

When someone behind closed doors says one thing. And then when they are in public they say another. Which version should one believe?? I know it might be hard to admit (you being an obvious Obama supporter) but could it be that your candidate just might be exposing his real views when he thinks noone is watching? That is the logical conclusion when comparing public and private pronouncements.

Because Right-wing knobs just know what is in someone’s heart and head. So it doesn’t really matter that there is a long, consistent pattern of thinking on this issue that has been stated by many Dems or Obama himself.

Been stated by them in public. His unguarded word choice in private revealed his disdain for those who are “beneath him”.

In their feeble, inept, idiotic minds they are just being lied to.

Wow… more ad hominem attacks. You must really be mad at having to defend Obama if you have to pound the table like this.

Republican knobs want to be lied to. Only not by Obama, but by their dishonest, ignorant and hateful preachers like Rob.They want someone to tell them how they have nothing to fear from someone like Obama because they are scared and can’t handle realty, so they create their own, denying all facts and evidence and by putting aside reason and replacing it with irrational thinking.

Rob relayed the message of Obama’s unguarded moment. Sorry my friend. The only one who is willing to put their head in the sand is you. Critical thinking is a must my friend, if you are ever going to realize that when someone says something nicely in public and then in private they reveal their true nature with insult after insult in one swipe, that they are not to be trusted when they tell you to only go by what they say in front of a camera.

You are a shining star of the mental disorder that is known as Conservatism.

Wow…and now we have a hat trick of ad hominem attacks. Way to go Hannitized!!! I knew you could pull another one out of you in a desperate attampt to make Obama look like he understands the common man. I kept waiting for it to arrive. I was thinking to myself… “Surely, he can’t leave the ad hominem attacks to only two can he?”. And there you go..a THIRD one. I’m SO PROUD OF YOU!!

Look… when you’re done pounding the table and whining about how Obama is being unfairly treated.

Stop…

pull yourself together…

and realize that your candidate just revealed how he feels about those of us in middle america when he was courting the hoi polloi in SF. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that when he says one thing in front of a camera and when he’s in private he says another, that one should believe that which was said when the speaker is confident there are “no witnesses” so-to-speak.

I’m hoping you can draw that distinction. I really am. But then again, I’m also used to Waiting for Godot and with your penchant for personal attacks and table pounding I believe you will not be able to do so.

John Fund is correct. Taken together, the miscues, misstatements, and mistakes of Barack and Michelle Obama constitute a cultural chasm of truly epic proportion.

At best, they are bewilderingly out of touch with the values and the cultural heritage of those he would govern. At worst, like their more virulent supporters, here and elsewhere, they betray a condescension and disdain that mark them as dangerously surreal in their arrogance.

Barack and Michelle Obama are the very epitome of “not ready for prime time.”

I’m clinging to arugula. It’s bitter.

I don’t think they’re “flaws” at all; they are his core beliefs, and have been for some time.
His “roots”:

Black liberation theology(black separatism)

Hatemonger Wright

Marxist organizer Saul Alinsky

You keep insisting Obama said something he didn’t and then build your house of cards on that shaky foundation. The problem with your tortured logic is that Obama didnt say what you think he said. You took and rand with a misinterpretation from a statement that at worst implied something.

Come on!! This doesn’t even pass the smell test.

He said;

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.“

Lets review his statements;

the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them

I wonder how Barack explains the nationwide unemployment rate which has hovered around 5% for over a decade.

antipathy to people who aren’t like them

You mean like Obama’s pastor and spiritual mentor (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright)’s racism and anti-Americanism? Its funny how he can demean millions of people he has never met while ascribing to them actions he has not seen. But bends over backwards to defend Wright as some “crazy uncle” that he cannot denounce even though he was a member of Wright’s church for decades and most assuredly heard many sermons like the ones I’ve linked to.

anti-immigrant sentiment

Right…those of us who want to enforce the law and just want people to come into the country legally are somehow transmogrified into xenophobes? It strains credulity.

anti-trade sentiment

You mean like his anti-NAFTA sentiments he has been espousing for months, but which really turn out to be a lie? Or his most recent anti-Colombia trade agreement stance?

To the well-heeled donors in SF… in a private meeting where he didn’t think his comments would get out…He described Middle America as a bunch of xenophobic, fundamentalist zealots who have no real views and morals but instead are reflexive amoebas who become “religious” or “gun nuts” because they lost their jobs.

And now you are telling me that isn’t what he said?? UN…REAL…

Obviously, there is a long-standing position on this issue that has been stated over and over. You willfully ignore this to cling to your desperate position that is based out of a gut reaction (hello emotion).

Willfully ignore?? Heck no. I know his public statements. I recognize that a politican needs to present himself in a certain light in public to get elected (even if he isn’t anything like that which he presents). But I also know about is private statements. But in his private moments is when we get to see what the candidate is really all about. It is YOU who are willfully ignoring the exposition of his true self.

Personally, I really don’t care if you are offended sunshine, your willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty is quite insulting on it’s own.

There we go…more attacks on me

My professor once told me that’s the surest sign that your opponent knows he has lost the battle. I’ll take that as your admission that you are standing in intellectual quicksand on this issue.

I have been making this argument for a few days, only to be validated by this video. It’s a clear cut victory.

Victory? Hardly. A pre-packaged “message” for a softball interview that his team carefully crafted for him is validation that his private and off-the-cuff remarks don’t reveal his true feelings about Middle america?? Again…I’m still waiting on you to draw the distinction between a message that is “packaged” for public consumption and the exposition in private of how the candidate really thinks. You’ll forgive me if I don’t hold my breath while I wait.

Then you come along and deny reason, and logic for the sake of clinging bitterly to your imagined characterization of a person you apparently are afraid of.

Again…the only one who is denying something is you my friend. I have calmly recognized both his public and private statements. I recognize exactly what was said in both. But you keep denying that what he said in private isn’t what he said. And I’ve shown that it is.

Let me give you some advice though…

For your next response…

and I know its gonna be SUPER difficult to do. But try to actually refrain from personal attacks. I know you can do it Hannitized!! I have faith in you!!

There is now video tape of Obama making this argument in 2004. Where he talks about the family values of Christians and 2nd amendment rights and how important it is to these middle Americans, but also that they don’t think they can trust government to fix the financial problems of the country.

This goes back to 2004. This is further evidence that Obama was merely lazy with his speech, that enabled the deceptive propagandists to distort his comments by purposefully looking to take the implication they wanted.

Pathteci.

Where he talks about the family values of Christians and 2nd amendment rights and how important it is to these middle Americans, but also that they don’t think they can trust government to fix the financial problems of the country.

Sounds to me like Mr. Obama is no more knowledgeable about those he would govern than he was 4 years ago… only more cynical.

Ok, here is a challenge for you.

I, rbb, will refrain from preemptive personal attacks from this day forward.
I reserve the right to return fire if attacked.

Who else here will take this pledge?

But the fact that his aides tell reporters he is privately bewildered that anybody took offense is even more remarkable.

This just shows how out of touch Obama and the left are.

…and the poorest people on earth…

joe,

This is, quite simply, crap! And all your prattle about cultural hegemony doesn’t change that fact. There are people on every continent and in every corner of the planet that would kill for nothing more than the opportunities available to the lowliest Americans. Why the hell do you think we have such an enormous problem of illegal immigration? And while you’re at it, tell me another country that has that problem.

If you are a “slave to this bullshit system” that fact is the result of your own choices and decisions, and the only one responsible for changing it is you. The rest of us have no moral, legal, economic, or social responsibility to “do a damn thing” for the people like you. It’s entirely on your shoulders.

Now…is that enough freedom for you?

Hmmm! Maybe he needs parking validation? His tricycle is double parked at the kiddie pool!

I think Rachel Maddow had a great take on the whole “controversy.”

“Can I say briefly that to a certain extent I think we‘re commenting on the caricature of his comments. If you look at what he said, what he said was not that these values of small town America and rural America and working class white America are the product of economic hardships. He‘s saying that those folks in America do not believe they‘re going to get any economic help from Washington and so they don‘t vote their economic interests when they vote. They instead vote these other things.

He‘s not connecting religion and guns and bigotry. He‘s giving a list of things on which people vote on their economic interest. They go from things that I think he has spoken very positively of, on faith, to and bigotry and antipathy to people who are different than yourself. He just gives a list of things that aren‘t your economic interests. The whole context of the remarks is being ignored and we‘re talking instead about how his political opponents are attacking him.

We‘re not actually taking that on as a political issue and debating whether or not that‘s right or wrong. We‘re debating the damage of the caricature of his comments. It‘s become this meta-narrative about how he‘s been described, rather than actually taking on the meat of what he argued. I think it‘s pretty unfair.

Ultimately, though, you have got three senators running against each other. Two of them are fixtures in Washington. One of them is an outsider. It‘s John Sidney McCain III vs. Hillary “$109 million” Rodham Clinton.

And they‘re going to try to portray Mr. Single Mom as the elitist here.”

The Dem Party is the Party of skin-color racism.

He‘s saying that those folks in America do not believe they‘re going to get any economic help from Washington…

Rightfully so; the govt can’t “help” the economy; all it can do is to keep out of the way, by lowering tax rates which confiscate money from working Americans, and by eliminating restrictive regulations that prevent businesses from prospering, thus losing jobs and incomes for working Americans.
What Obama wants is “Big Mommy govt”, with himself as the “Head Mommy”. America has a better system than that, but Obama is bitter that average Americans want no part of his Marxist “big govt” crap.

And now you are telling me that isn’t what he said?? UN…REAL

…

Dude, howz the RedBull working for you?

You didn’t make any sort of argument, you merely challenged him in a way that doesn’t address the central issue; that you guys are accusing him of saying they cling to those things “because” they are bitter. He said no such thing.

What is your point? You are convoluting the debate.

But I also know about is private statements. But in his private moments is when we get to see what the candidate is really all about. It is YOU who are willfully ignoring the exposition of his true self.

Ok then, I challenge you to show me what you think he said. You wont, because you cant, because you are merely taking him out of context. Then, you cling to your distortions as a way to explain your emotions about what you “think” Obama feels and set aside all facts and reason to the contrary. It’s almost scary.

There we go…more attacks on me

My professor once told me that’s the surest sign that your opponent knows he has lost the battle. I’ll take that as your admission that you are standing in intellectual quicksand on this issue.

I have spent far too much time on this blog with people who are pretending to have a debate. There is no possible way to ever get anyone from this site to change their mind or open it, once they have made it up. This story is but one perfect example of this fact.

You guys keep thinking you have scored a point when someone goes off track with insults. Why bother? I laid out my case, and what I get from you is that you aren’t going to change your mind because you “know” how Obama “really feels”…and that he is only lying to you when he attempts to put his vague statement in proper context.

Further, we support his request with evidence of him, from FOUR years ago saying the same thing in proper context, and you refuse to accept it.

Sorry dude, I am tired of pretending to be having a serious “debate”. There is no point. There is no intellectual honesty on this site. If there was, things would be different. But it seems every conservative is action emotional on this issue.

Victory? Hardly. A pre-packaged “message” for a softball interview that his team carefully crafted for him is validation that his private and off-the-cuff remarks don’t reveal his true feelings about Middle america??

That is one of the most paranoid statements I could expect to see regarding this mater. And you wonder why I don’t “debate” with you? Why would I? There is no reasoning with people like you dude. You have got to be kidding me.

Quit pretending that you are looking for an honest debate. You’re not!

A

gain…the only one who is denying something is you my friend. I have calmly recognized both his public and private statements. I recognize exactly what was said in both. But you keep denying that what he said in private isn’t what he said. And I’ve shown that it is.

You didnt do ANYTHING of the sort. Instead you obfuscated. Post his comments and show a logical argument that demonstrates that he said what you think he said. You merely took issue with the statements, not Obama’s meaning.

nutters crack me up

Me, too! That’s why you and Hannitized are a laugh riot!

I was looking for that thread where Hannitized posted about 14 of the first 30 comments, and every other comment was an insult thrown at Rob or an excrement reference or both.

Let’s find that one and we’ll figure out who knows he’s lost the battle! (Along with his peevish, whiny, little bitch mind!)

Proof and reality based…

…I know its gonna be SUPER difficult to do. But try to actually refrain from personal attacks….

Physician, heal thy peevish, whiny, little bitch self!

It obviously appears to be difficult for him to respond without hurling insults given that as of that posting he had conducted ad hominem attacks in each of his posts to me. Show me where I insulted him and called him names such as he did to me and you’ll find your mea culpa. Until then…observing that he cannot refrain from personal attacks is not an insult. Its called comprehensive reading…

you guys are accusing him of saying they cling to those things “because” they are bitter. He said no such thing.

He said … and I quote;

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations

His words not mine…

Ok then, I challenge you to show me what you think he said. You wont, because you cant, because you are merely taking him out of context. Then, you cling to your distortions as a way to explain your emotions about what you “think” Obama feels and set aside all facts and reason to the contrary. It’s almost scary

I’ve already done this repeatedly. I won’t repeat myself merely because you apparently have difficulty with reading comprehension. Go back and re-read my posts where I included what he said and what he meant with the words he chose.

I’m surprised that you continue to fail to make a distinction between someone’s public “face” when they know they will be recorded and the interview widely disseminated and their “private” face when they think they are “safe” in a “closed room”. This is politics my friend. Your clinging to his public comments displays a naive grasp of American politics. Which is ok I guess. But if you’d like to remain naive then be my guest.

You guys keep thinking you have scored a point when someone goes off track with insults.

I’m not interested in scoring points… I’m interested in honest debate. Instead, I get insults from you. Its hard not to see that my opponent is in trouble when they keep “pounding the table”.

Why bother? I laid out my case, and what I get from you is that you aren’t going to change your mind because you “know” how Obama “really feels”…and that he is only lying to you when he attempts to put his vague statement in proper context.
Further, we support his request with evidence of him, from FOUR years ago saying the same thing in proper context, and you refuse to accept it.

Again – you seem to still be having a hard time understanding that people act differently in public than they do in private. Charlie Rose was a public interview. The SF donor meeting was a private meeting. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that one is more apt to let their guard down when they are in “friendly territory”. And it doesn’t take an Einstein to realize that when they go out in public they need to “watch what they say” and couch their statements in nicer language. Now… for politicians this situation is exponentially magnified. Again… I’m sorry you cannot draw this distinction. But that is your problem, not mine.

You didnt do ANYTHING of the sort. Instead you obfuscated. Post his comments and show a logical argument that demonstrates that he said what you think he said. You merely took issue with the statements, not Obama’s meaning

I gave you his own words he uttered in a private meeting with people like them (he and the donors). as he spoke about people that were not like them (middle america). I’ve shown what those statements mean and demonstrated that a politican can say one thing in public but believe another in private (but did I REALLY have to say that? You really didn’t understand this fact of life?? Incredible!!). I’ve done everything you keep asking me to do. Again, its not my problem if you aren’t reading as thoroughly and thinking as critically as you should.

Thanks for making it through a post without an insult though. See I knew you could do it!!

-Thai

Thia,

I see you prefer baptism by fire, welcome to SAB.

By the way, well done.

Thai, welcome to Say Anything. Stick around for a bit. We get entertaining trolls like Hannitized in here all the time.