Obama’s Flaws Are Becoming A Problem
Barack Obama’s San Francisco-Democrat comment last week – about how alienated working-class voters “cling to guns or religion” – is already famous. But the fact that his aides tell reporters he is privately bewildered that anybody took offense is even more remarkable.
Democrats have been worrying about defending Mr. Obama’s highly liberal voting record in a general election. Now they need to fret that he makes too many mistakes, from ignoring the Rev. Wright time bomb until the videotapes blew up in front of him, to his careless condescension towards salt-of-the-earth Democrats. Mr. Obama has a tendency to make such cultural miscues. Speaking to small-town voters in Iowa last year, he asked, “Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?”
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Tags: Asshats, Domestic Issues, Politics, The Loony Left
Physician, heal thy peevish, whiny, little bitch self!
Heck even MAUREEN DOWD thinks he’s an elitist…
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/opinion/16dowd.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Either that, or the aids are lying too! Young Mr. Obama is a product of the Democrat Party machine of Chicago, arguable one of the two largest, most corrupt city political organizations in the country. Presumptions of public “servant” integrity in Chicago are for grade-schoolers.
How can he lose now that he has been endorsed by ‘Ludacris’? HILARIOUS – http://nationalsquib.com/index.php/barack-obama-ludacris/
Wow … an ad hominem attack. And in the second sentence too. I must have struck a nerve. Are you that mad or are you suddenly realizing that you are completely bereft of ground to stand on so you need to resort to namecalling??
When someone behind closed doors says one thing. And then when they are in public they say another. Which version should one believe?? I know it might be hard to admit (you being an obvious Obama supporter) but could it be that your candidate just might be exposing his real views when he thinks noone is watching? That is the logical conclusion when comparing public and private pronouncements.
Been stated by them in public. His unguarded word choice in private revealed his disdain for those who are “beneath him”.
Wow… more ad hominem attacks. You must really be mad at having to defend Obama if you have to pound the table like this.
Rob relayed the message of Obama’s unguarded moment. Sorry my friend. The only one who is willing to put their head in the sand is you. Critical thinking is a must my friend, if you are ever going to realize that when someone says something nicely in public and then in private they reveal their true nature with insult after insult in one swipe, that they are not to be trusted when they tell you to only go by what they say in front of a camera.
Wow…and now we have a hat trick of ad hominem attacks. Way to go Hannitized!!! I knew you could pull another one out of you in a desperate attampt to make Obama look like he understands the common man. I kept waiting for it to arrive. I was thinking to myself… “Surely, he can’t leave the ad hominem attacks to only two can he?”. And there you go..a THIRD one. I’m SO PROUD OF YOU!!
Look… when you’re done pounding the table and whining about how Obama is being unfairly treated.
Stop…
pull yourself together…
and realize that your candidate just revealed how he feels about those of us in middle america when he was courting the hoi polloi in SF. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that when he says one thing in front of a camera and when he’s in private he says another, that one should believe that which was said when the speaker is confident there are “no witnesses” so-to-speak.
I’m hoping you can draw that distinction. I really am. But then again, I’m also used to Waiting for Godot and with your penchant for personal attacks and table pounding I believe you will not be able to do so.
Thai:
I don’t think so actually.
If he were forced to say exactly what he meant in clear terms, it would be an easy target, so he throws in the ad hominems and other forms of dishonest discourse as a distractor.
Nice commentary by the way. Welcome to the blog.
John Fund is correct. Taken together, the miscues, misstatements, and mistakes of Barack and Michelle Obama constitute a cultural chasm of truly epic proportion.
At best, they are bewilderingly out of touch with the values and the cultural heritage of those he would govern. At worst, like their more virulent supporters, here and elsewhere, they betray a condescension and disdain that mark them as dangerously surreal in their arrogance.
Barack and Michelle Obama are the very epitome of “not ready for prime time.”
Thai, first, nice blog name. Next, don’t expect much out of sannitized. It is a screeching leftard, nothing more. It wants socialism, hold the compassion, and thats all it wants. It hares off on semantic arguments in every single thread it toddles into. Then it spins around a few times, screeches about everyone else lying and propagandizing, then it will veer back across the subject, then claim that it meant what the article writer meant and that writer is a heinous liar because all its evidence simply proves the original point of the subject post.
DAMN!! Only 52 words in that sentence. I really thought that explanation of sannitized’s SOP would take longer.
I’m clinging to arugula. It’s bitter.
Bubba, if you have to be validated by a video, then you ain’t shit!
I don’t think they’re “flaws” at all; they are his core beliefs, and have been for some time.
His “roots”:
Black liberation theology(black separatism)
Hatemonger Wright
Marxist organizer Saul Alinsky
Hannitized: If you were born yesterday and came here as an honest debater, someone might believe you, here is an example of your inherent dishonesty:
Rob commented on something Ted Nugent said about the Second Amendment. YOU called him a hypocrite for endorsing Nugent for things Rob never endorsed. In fact, after a cursory examination, it came to light that Rob had criticized Nugent for exactly the things you said Rob was endorsing! It was pointed out then, that you were either mind numbing stupid or mind numbingly dishonest (or both).
You haven’t changed! Except that now, you self proclaim your honesty ad nauseum, you denigrate your opponents ad nauseum and whine and prattle on about how dishonest Rob is and how a dishonest, peevish, whiny little bitch like yourself is trying to have an honest debate to no avail. Wah! You’re projecting Han-job,pure and simple! You have a long history as a dishonest troll here at SA. Take your sad sob story somewhere where they’ve lost enough brain cells for you to have credibility. It ain’t here!
Come on!! This doesn’t even pass the smell test.
He said;
Lets review his statements;
the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them
I wonder how Barack explains the nationwide unemployment rate which has hovered around 5% for over a decade.
antipathy to people who aren’t like them
You mean like Obama’s pastor and spiritual mentor (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright)’s racism and anti-Americanism? Its funny how he can demean millions of people he has never met while ascribing to them actions he has not seen. But bends over backwards to defend Wright as some “crazy uncle” that he cannot denounce even though he was a member of Wright’s church for decades and most assuredly heard many sermons like the ones I’ve linked to.
anti-immigrant sentiment
Right…those of us who want to enforce the law and just want people to come into the country legally are somehow transmogrified into xenophobes? It strains credulity.
anti-trade sentiment
You mean like his anti-NAFTA sentiments he has been espousing for months, but which really turn out to be a lie? Or his most recent anti-Colombia trade agreement stance?
To the well-heeled donors in SF… in a private meeting where he didn’t think his comments would get out…He described Middle America as a bunch of xenophobic, fundamentalist zealots who have no real views and morals but instead are reflexive amoebas who become “religious” or “gun nuts” because they lost their jobs.
And now you are telling me that isn’t what he said?? UN…REAL…
Willfully ignore?? Heck no. I know his public statements. I recognize that a politican needs to present himself in a certain light in public to get elected (even if he isn’t anything like that which he presents). But I also know about is private statements. But in his private moments is when we get to see what the candidate is really all about. It is YOU who are willfully ignoring the exposition of his true self.
There we go…more attacks on me
My professor once told me that’s the surest sign that your opponent knows he has lost the battle. I’ll take that as your admission that you are standing in intellectual quicksand on this issue.
Victory? Hardly. A pre-packaged “message” for a softball interview that his team carefully crafted for him is validation that his private and off-the-cuff remarks don’t reveal his true feelings about Middle america?? Again…I’m still waiting on you to draw the distinction between a message that is “packaged” for public consumption and the exposition in private of how the candidate really thinks. You’ll forgive me if I don’t hold my breath while I wait.
Again…the only one who is denying something is you my friend. I have calmly recognized both his public and private statements. I recognize exactly what was said in both. But you keep denying that what he said in private isn’t what he said. And I’ve shown that it is.
Let me give you some advice though…
For your next response…
and I know its gonna be SUPER difficult to do. But try to actually refrain from personal attacks. I know you can do it Hannitized!! I have faith in you!!
Thai: That’s all he’s got! Calling other people names, accusing other people of name calling, accusing other people of intellectual dishonesty…it’s all projection on his part!
There is now video tape of Obama making this argument in 2004. Where he talks about the family values of Christians and 2nd amendment rights and how important it is to these middle Americans, but also that they don’t think they can trust government to fix the financial problems of the country.
This goes back to 2004. This is further evidence that Obama was merely lazy with his speech, that enabled the deceptive propagandists to distort his comments by purposefully looking to take the implication they wanted.
Pathteci.
This is almost too funny. He is shocked people took offense? What a moron. Only one thing makes me doubt that he is totally ruined; the short attention span of voters. We’re still a week from Pennsylvania and he had almost closed the gap on Clinton in polls until this latest gaff. NC is what, 2 weeks after PA? The naive voters have a bad case of ADHD. I worry that if he manages to stop shooting himself in the foot every week or so he will actually win the nomination.
Sounds to me like Mr. Obama is no more knowledgeable about those he would govern than he was 4 years ago… only more cynical.
What are you going to say now Rob?
Now that I have demonstrated that Obamas remarks proceeded Webs by two years and that they not only match Webbs, but Obamas remarks the days after Pennsylvania, Rob will obfuscate, and cry that he heard what Obama said….even though in Robs head, he merely took it out of context.
Obama being interviewed by Charlie Rose back on Nov. 23, 20041 and he gives a fuller description of what he was trying to get at in his Pennsylvania remarks:
Again, youve been acting like an idiot on this issue Rob. And I took great pleasure proving it.
Ok, here is a challenge for you.
I, rbb, will refrain from preemptive personal attacks from this day forward.
I reserve the right to return fire if attacked.
Who else here will take this pledge?
There it is.
I knew it wouldn’t take long for some complete dipshit to tell us that Obama saying something exactly as he meant it was nothing more than a lie.
Because Right-wing knobs just know what is in someone’s heart and head. So it doesn’t really matter that there is a long, consistent pattern of thinking on this issue that has been stated by many Dems or Obama himself.
In their feeble, inept, idiotic minds they are just being lied to.
So here is the reality folks. You are seeing this real time.
Republican knobs want to be lied to. Only not by Obama, but by their dishonest, ignorant and hateful preachers like Rob. They want someone to tell them how they have nothing to fear from someone like Obama because they are scared and can’t handle realty, so they create their own, denying all facts and evidence and by putting aside reason and replacing it with irrational thinking.
You are a shining star of the mental disorder that is known as Conservatism.
Nice Job Thai.
This just shows how out of touch Obama and the left are.
Ok, here you go dipshits. (apply where appropriate)
Here is Obama saying the same thing IN 2004, that you claim he was only saying as damage control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a88wMPAWc90&feature=related
You are being ridiculous with this. When you see the video of Obama talking about this very same thing in 2004, in the proper context you are going to look even more stupid, if it is possible. But you will ignore and dismiss this as well. Because on top of being stupid, you will be dishonest and claim he didn’t mean what he said…..clearly…..in 2004.
joe,
This is, quite simply, crap! And all your prattle about cultural hegemony doesn’t change that fact. There are people on every continent and in every corner of the planet that would kill for nothing more than the opportunities available to the lowliest Americans. Why the hell do you think we have such an enormous problem of illegal immigration? And while you’re at it, tell me another country that has that problem.
If you are a “slave to this bullshit system” that fact is the result of your own choices and decisions, and the only one responsible for changing it is you. The rest of us have no moral, legal, economic, or social responsibility to “do a damn thing” for the people like you. It’s entirely on your shoulders.
Now…is that enough freedom for you?
I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their caricature….
Hmmm! Maybe he needs parking validation? His tricycle is double parked at the kiddie pool!
And thanks 2Hotel9, Carrick and Proof for your remarks. They are much appreciated!
I think Rachel Maddow had a great take on the whole “controversy.”
america is just a country of some of the richest people on earth like bush and obama and the poorest people on earth and everybody else in between that are fed hegemonic ideas aka lies that benefit the elite that the elite dont really see or comprehend yet serve to oppress all of the non elites or the ‘other’ of society. obviously the whole hardworking im an american religious gun totin thing is a cultural constructed hegemony but really if your not an elite like obama you dont have control over that type of stuff because breaking out of the norms has dire consequences and obama is just a fake and should know bettar but we should know bettar as well and stop electing elite morons who dont do a damn thing for the people like myself who are slaves to this bullshit system….and something about stereotypes as well ill just roll my eyes
The Dem Party is the Party of skin-color racism.
Hannitized – this proves nothing. All it tells me is that when in front of a camera and when he KNOWS he will be recorded (Charlie Rose), he displays one face and says it in very “couching” language.
When in an unguarded moment, where he does not expect that anyone will record him (speaking to rich SF donors)… he displays yet another face and exposes his limousine liberalism and his disdain for the “little people”.
Rightfully so; the govt can’t “help” the economy; all it can do is to keep out of the way, by lowering tax rates which confiscate money from working Americans, and by eliminating restrictive regulations that prevent businesses from prospering, thus losing jobs and incomes for working Americans.
What Obama wants is “Big Mommy govt”, with himself as the “Head Mommy”. America has a better system than that, but Obama is bitter that average Americans want no part of his Marxist “big govt” crap.
nutters crack me up
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Dude, howz the RedBull working for you?
You didn’t make any sort of argument, you merely challenged him in a way that doesn’t address the central issue; that you guys are accusing him of saying they cling to those things “because” they are bitter. He said no such thing.
What is your point? You are convoluting the debate.
Ok then, I challenge you to show me what you think he said. You wont, because you cant, because you are merely taking him out of context. Then, you cling to your distortions as a way to explain your emotions about what you “think” Obama feels and set aside all facts and reason to the contrary. It’s almost scary.
I have spent far too much time on this blog with people who are pretending to have a debate. There is no possible way to ever get anyone from this site to change their mind or open it, once they have made it up. This story is but one perfect example of this fact.
You guys keep thinking you have scored a point when someone goes off track with insults. Why bother? I laid out my case, and what I get from you is that you aren’t going to change your mind because you “know” how Obama “really feels”…and that he is only lying to you when he attempts to put his vague statement in proper context.
Further, we support his request with evidence of him, from FOUR years ago saying the same thing in proper context, and you refuse to accept it.
Sorry dude, I am tired of pretending to be having a serious “debate”. There is no point. There is no intellectual honesty on this site. If there was, things would be different. But it seems every conservative is action emotional on this issue.
That is one of the most paranoid statements I could expect to see regarding this mater. And you wonder why I don’t “debate” with you? Why would I? There is no reasoning with people like you dude. You have got to be kidding me.
Quit pretending that you are looking for an honest debate. You’re not!
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You didnt do ANYTHING of the sort. Instead you obfuscated. Post his comments and show a logical argument that demonstrates that he said what you think he said. You merely took issue with the statements, not Obama’s meaning.
LMAO.
Me, too! That’s why you and Hannitized are a laugh riot!
I was looking for that thread where Hannitized posted about 14 of the first 30 comments, and every other comment was an insult thrown at Rob or an excrement reference or both.
Let’s find that one and we’ll figure out who knows he’s lost the battle! (Along with his peevish, whiny, little bitch mind!)
All the while Jon McCain sits by while the dems blow each other up. This has to be good for the GOP…
Proof and reality based…
It obviously appears to be difficult for him to respond without hurling insults given that as of that posting he had conducted ad hominem attacks in each of his posts to me. Show me where I insulted him and called him names such as he did to me and you’ll find your mea culpa. Until then…observing that he cannot refrain from personal attacks is not an insult. Its called comprehensive reading…
He said … and I quote;
His words not mine…
I’ve already done this repeatedly. I won’t repeat myself merely because you apparently have difficulty with reading comprehension. Go back and re-read my posts where I included what he said and what he meant with the words he chose.
I’m surprised that you continue to fail to make a distinction between someone’s public “face” when they know they will be recorded and the interview widely disseminated and their “private” face when they think they are “safe” in a “closed room”. This is politics my friend. Your clinging to his public comments displays a naive grasp of American politics. Which is ok I guess. But if you’d like to remain naive then be my guest.
I’m not interested in scoring points… I’m interested in honest debate. Instead, I get insults from you. Its hard not to see that my opponent is in trouble when they keep “pounding the table”.
Again – you seem to still be having a hard time understanding that people act differently in public than they do in private. Charlie Rose was a public interview. The SF donor meeting was a private meeting. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that one is more apt to let their guard down when they are in “friendly territory”. And it doesn’t take an Einstein to realize that when they go out in public they need to “watch what they say” and couch their statements in nicer language. Now… for politicians this situation is exponentially magnified. Again… I’m sorry you cannot draw this distinction. But that is your problem, not mine.
I gave you his own words he uttered in a private meeting with people like them (he and the donors). as he spoke about people that were not like them (middle america). I’ve shown what those statements mean and demonstrated that a politican can say one thing in public but believe another in private (but did I REALLY have to say that? You really didn’t understand this fact of life?? Incredible!!). I’ve done everything you keep asking me to do. Again, its not my problem if you aren’t reading as thoroughly and thinking as critically as you should.
Thanks for making it through a post without an insult though. See I knew you could do it!!
-Thai
Sorry brother, but I tired of having deal politely with people like you who are being willfully ignorant. You keep insisting Obama said something he didn’t and then build your house of cards on that shaky foundation. The problem with your tortured logic is that Obama didnt say what you think he said. You took and rand with a misinterpretation from a statement that at worst implied something. Obviously, there is a long-standing position on this issue that has been stated over and over. You willfully ignore this to cling to your desperate position that is based out of a gut reaction (hello emotion).
Personally, I really don’t care if you are offended sunshine, your willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty is quite insulting on it’s own. I have been making this argument for a few days, only to be validated by this video. It’s a clear cut victory. Then you come along and deny reason, and logic for the sake of clinging bitterly to your imagined characterization of a person you apparently are afraid of.
Thia,
I see you prefer baptism by fire, welcome to SAB.
By the way, well done.
I haven’t seen him do anything but flame people since he started posting.
Thai, welcome to Say Anything. Stick around for a bit. We get entertaining trolls like Hannitized in here all the time.