Carter didn’t fail. Either will Obama.

Yeah, that gas rationing worked great.

Denial.

Oh, lookie. Dino trots out another gadget from the leftie bag of tricks: just keep repeating falsehoods and unsubstantiated “factoids” until the weak-minded sheeple believe it as truth. Added points if you say them real loud in your fit of sanctimony. It doesn’t matter that what you say has no factual basis… just say it over and over again and the sheeple will eventually fall for it.

In the first 150 years of US history, conservatism built the greatest country in the history of the world. Then liberalism started creeping in. And so it has been for the last 80+ years. 30 years of conservative upswing certainly isn’t going to be enough to correct everything you lefties screwed up. To think that it would be is comparable to trying to save a plane spiraling out of control by pulling back on the control stick for just a few moments; the damage is too great, and truly corrective measures haven’t been applied long enough.

BTW… another toy from the leftie bag of tricks: ignoring that with which you don’t like, regardless of what is truth.

Also, big business may actually be more corrupt and bureaucratic than big govt.

While business has to give you something in return for your money, and can’t force you to buy anything from them, govt just reaches into your paycheck and confiscates your earnings before you receive them.
Business has accountability, govt does not.

You couldn’t be more wrong.

HG,

I believe that the Obama 10-year budget projected a 4% GDP growth rate and an inflation rate of less than 2%, both for the entire period. Now that’s comedy… in spades.

I checked Treasury and BLS and couldn’t find a single 5-year period with sustained 4% GDP growth and 2% or less inflation.

Gore had vision that would advance this country in ways the cons can not comprehend.

Little H: “Returning” to windmills and stone age technology isn’t “advancing” anything. You’re flat wrong, as usual.

We use all of our intellect,

LOL! If that’s you using all your intellect, I’ll pity you (just as soon as I can stop laughing!)Heh.

I knew libs would never admit failure.

You mean the downturn that started when the Democrats including Obama took the Congress?

its so great that we quickly passed that emergency stimulus bill four months ago without even reading the bill. that was money well spent wasn’t it. I remember democrats wagging their fingers red faced telling us of the calamities that would befall us if we didn’t “do this thing”. of course some of us warned that the bill was not about stimulus at all, and had more to do with political payoffs to unions, government workers, and pork for ALL!.

to throw even more cold water on todays numbers, read this review which goes into a bit of detail, drilllng down a bit and comparing where we’re at now to prior recessions. It ain’t pretty.
http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/payroll-data-in-perspective.html

Since nothing Obama is doing does anything to facilitate economic growth in the private sector, where most Americans are employed, this is to be expected. In fact, what Obama is doing, in terms of economic policy, is guaranteed to destroy the ability of the private sector to generate both jobs and prosperity.
The private sector pays for everything, including Obama’s wagyu steaks and his thermostat set to “Hawaii”, while real Americans are losing their jobs.

Shooting your wad, pissing on people, come on dino leave your fag-play stuff out of the comments. Gross.

But (get your mind out of the gutter, dino), I agree, conservatism is much easier to sell: you get to entice people with all those government programs, letting them know that daddy government will take care of them no matter what. And, who cares about personal responsibility and accomplishing your goals without some bureaucrat “leveling” the playing-field. Freedom is for suckers, the warm embrace of having central planning decide everything for you is so much more comforting. You know, all the base instincts of thinking you deserve what others have worked for, being a parasite on society,…..never mind.

Wasn’t it Roger Daltry that said you can’t get fooled again?

Yup, and that’s what’s dooming Uhbama to becoming a one-termer. Then the circle of similarities between Jimmy “Misery Index” Carter and Dear Leader will be complete.

This isn’t the 70s and Obama isn’t Carter.

Then why do their economic messes look so much alike?

“Jimmy was right.” About what? Why is Dumbo infatuated with the word “stems”? He seems to get all excited when he says it, so could it have some sexual meaning to him? Na….

But really, how willing are you to watch your children and grandchildren suffer by wishing for further declines out of bitterness that your guys failed so miserably?

You mistake your own and other liberal’s desperation for economic disaster throughout the Bush years for our concern. Our economy is slipping, and we know why. Conservatives want prosperity, you complain about this all the time, but we know the policies and direction the President is moving us will mean further declines. We don’t want this, it’s just we’ve seen it before.

I would welcome Obama’s efforts to encourage prosperity and expand liberty, but our President is clearly heading in the opposite direction. Now, when his policies fail, and they will, what will you liberals say then? In all likelihood you’ll never admit failure. Just like you still won’t with Carter.

Gee Bob, go easy on me. I was an early 20-something year old from a con family in the Midwest. I’m glad I was able to escape conservatism at all!

And Lance? Most elections are close as far as the popular vote goes which Gore did win.

Conservatism is an easier sell. It appeals to the base insincts, far more powerful motivators of greed, selfishness and fear. We liberals have always known that but also know that the point of the arrow, the part that leads, is always smaller. Our ideas endure like the New Deal and Great Society programs.Yours are reviled as supply-side, deregulation and free markets are becoming.

Oh, and Greg? Yes, having the world in ruins was an advantage. But if cons ruled after WW2 the prosperity would have been narrowly focused on the top 5% as it was during the Depression until FDR forced them to share or die in a revolution.

Bush really left a mess behind when he left. We should have elected Gore.

Gore had vision that would advance this country in ways the cons can not comprehend.

The first gas lines occurred in 1973, 4 YEARS before Carter took office.

You probably would rather forget that Carter was preceded by Nixon, a republican forced to resign in disgrace (VP did too!) who had very deep back-to-back recessions in his terms. In 74 the stock market lost HALF its value. Inflation was through the roof.

Carter got in but the people were not satisfied and finally gave in to the seductive song of reagan and his “you can have it all and pay no taxes!” routine. I should know as I fell for it too. Last time I voted republican. Now I wouldn’t piss on one if he/she was on fire.

What followed was a disaster 30 years in the making.

Carter failed miserably, and Bungler Obama is failing even more miserably.

You got that right.

HAHAHAAA

Raygun fooled you into voting for him!!!

HAHAHA

oh…sorry about that

hee hee

Things would have been much worse without the stimulus. That’s the reason the decline has slowed.

Usually, it is those on the Left who relish the opportunity to try and get conservatives to prove the negative. But in this case…

Okay, Dino, if you think things would have been so much worse without the stimulus… prove it!!! Document how much worse, and why.

Here’s the problem. The New York Times reported just last month that less than 6% of the $787 billion in “stimulus” money that was appropriated has actually been spent. Less than 6%!

So either it ain’t the stimulus that has slowed the recession at all, or Obama and the Democrats have allocated way, way too much money for their so-called “stimulus” programs.

And maybe… just maybe… the recession wasn’t nearly so bad as those on the tax and spend Left have been telling us. After all, wasn’t it a Democrat Pooh-Bah (from Chicago, too!) who said something about not letting a good crisis go to waste?

Come on, Dino! Let’s see you try to prove your contention about Obama’s “stimulus” spending.

Congratulations! You’ve discovered the basic difference between cons and libs.

We EVOLVE over time, you do not and must be dragged kicking and screaming towards human progress.

It’s that whole stem thing. We use all of our intellect, you do not. You prefer the status quo even if it no longer applies or works. Change scares you.

As I said earlier, I voted for reagan the first time. Then, as my intellect developed and I became educated I wised up.

Dino’s too friggin’ stupid to understand that only about 6% of the “stimulus” money has even been spent so far. It hasn’t stimulated anything, and the economy is still sinking though a bit slower than before. The stimulus package was never going to stimulate anything anyway except for the federal budget deficit which will rise by a minimum of 300% just this year alone. And yes Dino, the increase in the budget deficit is Obama’s fault, and he will take the blame for it.

Herpetized still insists that Bush left a mess without putting any proof, causal reasoning, and most likely a BS resource or a resource that will eventually disprove him.

There is an advantage to being a liberal convert Dino, and as always, Bush said it most succinctly:

“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

Carter didn’t fail. Either will Obama.

More fairytale nonsense from little dino; Carter failed miserably, and Bungler Obama is failing even more miserably. Lucky for us, we can always institute fiscal conservatism and save the country.

Wrong again, little H! Gore understands how to milk the AGW alarmism for big profits, while contributing nothing to the world.
We are in a mess due to the Dem social engineering policies of the past thirty years, combined with Obama’s bungling of our economy, destroying record amounts of American wealth, bankrupting the car business and piling up record debt obligations.
You continue in your ignorance of reality.

The fastest growth and most egalitarian period of widespread, shared prosperity in our history was post WWII when the playing field was leveled by unions and steeply progressive tax policy.

If you have to reach back 150 (!!!LOL!!!) years to try and find a successful period of conservatism, that’s pretty weak if you can even PROVE that conservatism was dominant. You can’t.

The last period of conservatism in modern times was the 30 years (sound familiar?) preceding the Great Depression when the republicans ruled supreme and greed, corruption and Wall Street ran roughshod giving us a meltdown then too. The parallels are uncanny.

Prior to that it’s difficult to categorize ideologies in today’s terms. But suffice to say that the ideas this country was founded on are definitely LIBERAL; freedom, equality and opportunity. If it were up to conservatives we would have remained a monarchy or gone feudal.

Cons worship power and wealth, it’s in their genes. In fact, the revolutionary war was also a civil war with the ideological ancestors to today’s cons siding with the throne.

No surprise there.

Why is Dumbo infatuated with the word “stems”?

According to Dino, he’s using all his intellect, so be gentle with him! He has nothing in reserve!

Gore had vision that would advance this country in ways the cons can not comprehend.

I think “Hell in a handbasket” is something we could comprehend.

Thank God the Goreacle lost!

The fastest growth and most egalitarian period of widespread, shared prosperity in our history was post WWII when the playing field was leveled by unions and steeply progressive tax policy.

Are you kidding? It was the fastest growth ever because Europe and much of Asia was in ruins after the and we were helping them rebuild.

RBB, I have to admit that I fell for the whole free-market, supply-side arguments for a while. They had such pretty graphs and mathematical models!

And results, and logic, and more results, and basic reasoning skills.

And no-one like big-govt bureaucracy either.
But the practice didn’t match the theory (but we now understand why the theory is flawed).

By all means, explain the flaws. I will wait.

Also, big business may actually be more corrupt and bureaucratic than big govt.

It takes gall to point out that businesses buy lobbiests to influence government as CORRUPTION, when the government put them in the place to lobby to begin with. And heavily subsidizes them. Etc.

Back to the topic, it is a shame that Obama’s stimulus is too little, too late. Millions will become unemployed because of this.

The stimulus is directly responsible for the uptick in unemployment. He’s following Hoover/FDR’s playbook and it’s tanking.

This is a rather insightful look at liberal economic policy. They project a full 1.5% lower unemployment rate with the stimulus. I’m guessing they’re going to be off by a good 3% at some point, maybe more. They’ll blame Bush of course.

Hey, you think Bush should get the credit for no terrorist attacks in America since Obama took office?

Dino demonstrates his idiocy by contradicting the Congressional Budget Office and their crack team of professional accountants wheras Dino is on a team of professional cracks.

Any other idiocy you want to spout Dino? Granted, that would by definition be anything you say, but we can always dream.

Now if only we can get Dino to block everyone else, he’ll be all alone.