I’m certainly not going to defend the spending under George W. Bush, but it took him 905 days to reach that figure.
By The Whistler on July 18, 2009 at 04:13 pm

I always knew that the idiot known as G. W. Bush was slow.

Heh

Oh lets hear the Leftards tell us how the debt is all GWB’s fault, and BarryO/Duhbama doesn’t bare any of the responsibility for the mess we are in, even though he has quadrupled the national debt.

Obama is guilty of child abuse since they will have to pay for this!

Kevin the Liberal don’t care if our children are suffering. Just listen to posters like DINO, they think they have it coming to them. If you listen to some of these people all you hear is their disdain for the successful, those evil rich people. Yeah when is the last time a poor person gave someone a job. The left can’t wait to sock it to the rich. I keep hearing that they need to pay their fair share. In reality there is never enough suffering by the rich to make the left happy. I believe that they leftwing wants to create a mess/catastrophe were more and more people are dependant on government.

We live in a screwed up world where selfish people think they are entitled to things that aren’t theirs. That doesn’t matter to the left because they think they will just take the rich people’s money to pay for other peoples social ills and benifits. The fact remains that there is no constitutional right to health care, a job, or a house.

1.Obama has yet to put a single budget into effect.

2. The debt would have to reach $44 trillion dollars to be quadrupled.

3. Obama has signed one spending bill that was a leftover from the previous budget.

4. The only addition Obama has made to the debt is the $700 billion for the stimulus.

5. Lying may feel good but it won’t improve your 401k values or bring your house values back. In both cases, you’re fucked.

6. I not only hope your children and grandchildren suffer for your support of conservatism, I hope their futures are as dim and difficult to the same degree as your dishonesty. I know they will be saddled with debt both personal and societal and they will experience a greatly diminished quality of life due to both.

Now that I am feeling good from thinking about the hell your progeny will inherit thanks to 30 years of pursuing conservatism, I’m going to go have a nice dinner and wine with my childless friends.

Three and a half years from now, as Barack and Michelle are packing up to move back to Chicago, Swish will still be braying witlessly about George W. Bush.

And so will Obama.

1.Obama has yet to put a single budget into effect.

2. The debt would have to reach $44 trillion dollars to be quadrupled.

3. Obama has signed one spending bill that was a leftover from the previous budget.

4. The only addition Obama has made to the debt is the $700 billion for the stimulus.

5. Lying may feel good but it won’t improve your 401k values or bring your house values back. In both cases, you’re fucked.

6. I not only hope your children and grandchildren suffer for your support of conservatism, I hope their futures are as dim and difficult to the same degree as your dishonesty. I know they will be saddled with debt both personal and societal and they will experience a greatly diminished quality of life due to both.

Now that I am feeling good from thinking about the hell your progeny will inherit thanks to 30 years of pursuing conservatism, I’m going to go have a nice dinner and wine with my childless friends.

The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again, The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again,The sockpuppet is wrong again

Results from sayanythingblog.com Obama Debt Clock Debate:

Goon via KO of Sock Puppet in 1rst round.

Goon via KO of Sock Puppet in 1rst round.

It’s not all that hard because DINO just keeps spewing the moveon.org lines.

Come on goon. You shouldn’t pick on mentally challenged people like dino.

1) Obama signed the 2009 budget. He’s been in favor of the entire spending program that has brought our deficit from 160 Billion to 1.7 Trillion or whatever it ends up being.

2) Bush was bad on the debt. Obama is many times worse.

3) See #1

4) See #1

5) Obama was in favor of everything that damaged the economy. He even used the CRA to sue a bank for ACORN.

6) There’s you agenda. Hate people with kids. Typical Democrat.

Quadrupled the deficit, not debt. It’s not unlikely he’ll have doubled the deficit when his single term is up but it won’t go 4 times, at least I hope.

OK, fine. Bush did sign off on some of the resolutions. I’ll agree with that.

Now can you admit that Obama through his position as Senator was responsible for sending the resolutions to GWB to be signed?

I realize that he wasn’t doing his job as a Senator, which is his fault. If he opposed something he could make it back for a vote. Even so I’ll give him credit if he spoke out against a 2009 budget resolution that passed the Democrat controlled Senate.

Tarp, Stimulus package, Mortgage bailout, 400 Billion dollar spending Bill………

Of course the economic crash was the fault of the liberals, fannie and freddie and the CRA. Didn’t Obama sue a bank under CRA for ACORN?

To the asses on the right that are braying:
Obama signed the 2010 budget on February 26th, 2009.
Obama signs 2010 budget.

To conclude the above short message, Dino is correct in what he said, Whistler is mistaken, Goon is being a sock puppet and is wrong again, Sourpotato does not know what he is talking about, Bat One is more concerned about making cheap partisan points than he is concerned with the truth, and Greg in Alabama: The verdict is still out on the “Dims”

The president recommends a budget…
The Whistler on July 19, 2009 at 06:19 am

When Dino said something like the above y’all were all over him.
I can still remember r180 (among others) calling Dino a liar
and insisting that all budgets originate in the Congress.

I am missing the dates…

That’s not all you’re missing! If Obama had stuck to the 2009 federal budget signed by President Bush then your argument might have some validity. But he hasn’t… and your argument doesn’t.

I seem to recall a $787 billion appropriation passed by the Democrats in Congress and signed into law by Obama (before anyone had a chance to read, digest, or discuss it!) that most certainly wasn’t in the official 2009 federal budget.

In fact, Obama’s so-called “stimulus” package, notwithstanding its economic ineffectiveness, was a blatant display of the brazen hypocrisy of Obama and the Democrats. During last year’s campaign, there was much criticism of President Bush for not including appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan in the regular budget. It was a specious argument. War appropriations have historically been handled outside the normal budget process, and certainly there was no lack of congressional inspection and debate over those spending measures i any case. But after all the criticism, the very first thing Obama does once in office, is exactly that which he criticized so loudly about his predecessor. Except that nobody had the chance to even read the so-called “stimulus” bill, and there was no meaningful debate nor any input at all from the opposition party.

Nor was the so-called “stimulus” bill, at $787 billion, the only additional expenditure Obama and the Democrats have advanced in the past 6 months. All together, they have spent nearly $1 trillion that was NOT included in the official 2009 budget signed by President Bush.

You are trying to score some partisan points on your own here, ellinas, with your specious argument about who owns the budget. But trying is about all it amounts to. You seem not to be clever enough, or knowledgeable enough, to pull it off. Pity!

In other words, you can’t have it both ways. The budget, as signed by President Bush into law, is his… until Obama and the Democrats added an additional $1 trillion in federal spending (in only 6 months in office!). Like it or not, its Obama’s budget now! Dishonesty, ineffectiveness, corruption, and all.

insisting that all budgets originate in the Congress.

They don’t?
Greg in Alabama on July 19, 2009 at 06:56 am

Whistler begs to differ:

The president recommends a budget…
The Whistler on July 19, 2009 at 06:19 am

What part of recommend is unclear. I brought this up with Dino. I recommend a budget that spends 7 bucks and you counter an pass a budget that spends 700 billion, what good was my recommendation?

Greg in Alabama on July 19, 2009 at 07:21 am

The seven buck budget originated with Greg in Alabama, I countered and passed a budget that spends $700 million.
You ask “what good was my recommendation?”

To that I say: It appears to me that your $7 buck budget was a ruse, since you knew I would raise it to $700 million.
If you were serious about your $7 buck budget you would have used your veto and the bully pulpit to tell the people the truth.

You’re such a liar Ellinas.
The Whistler on July 19, 2009 at 07:35 am

I am not a liar. I may be mistaken, But I do not lie to you or anyone else for that matter.
Here is part of the 2009 Budget that Bush signed

More on the way.

e,

Your “reasoning” here,

To that I say: It appears to me that your $7 buck budget was a ruse, since you knew I would raise it to $700 million. If you were serious about your $7 buck budget you would have used your veto and the bully pulpit to tell the people the truth.

reminds me of another, more famous bit of illogical nonsense.

You only think I guessed wrong! That’s what’s so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

Granted, Vizzini was a Sicilian, while you are merely Greek, but even at that there is a certain spurious compliment here.

Bat One. Greeks, Sicilians…they are all the same.
In some places in Sicily they still speak Greek.
You forget the fact that Sicily was a Greek colony.
As a matter of fact older Sicilians still say: “Griegi e Siciliani, una fatsa una ratsa” (Same face same race).
Vizzini was not Greek. You are correct.
You are wrong to say my reasoning is illogical based on what a non Greek Sicilian said.

My statement holds true no matter what you say:
Veto and bully pulpit.
Any president not using the above agrees with everything that congress sends his way.

PS: Nice attempt at a cheap partisan point. It didn’t work because it was based on faulty assumptions.

Um, Budgets come from Congress. Dems got control of congress two and a half years ago. Guess when the economy started to fall apart? Last year, after a year and a half of democrats in charge. Just wait until the minimum wage increase happens; more jobs will be lost next month as small business owners hunker down and decide who to fire to support the wage increases of the others? Some one will have to be fired. So expect job loss to jump to double digits after next month thanks to democrat policies. The amrket crash was because of Frank and Dobbs and Freddie and Fannie. Democrats have been engineering this recession for years. Bush tried to prevent it repeatedly but Dems like slobbering Barney amd Chris “I got a VIP mortgage” Dodd fought any and every attempt to fix it before it broke.
And then the threat of Cap and Trade has already driven 4 trillion dollars out of the american markets. The DOW dropped from over 14,000 last summer to under 9000 now. That represents money fleeing the oppressive taxation before it begins. That money is already working overseas developing marktets and growing economies. It will not come back here until the leftists give up their taxation schemes to strip the productive job-makers.

The conservatives here gloss over the fact that for at least 6 horrible years, years where the debt doubled from $5 trillion to nearly $11 trillion, republicans were in control of the entire budget-making process. Did some democrats vote for those budgets? Of course. Did some democrats approve of the huge tax cuts, the huge war spending, the keeping of war costs off the budget? Maybe. But just because one democrat is still serving in the republican Congress doesn’t mean you can blame the direction of the country on him. How many times has your workplace done something you think is stupid that turns out bad? Do you quit or did you stay and work with the leadership?

What Whistler and others are trying to do is shift the blame for this mess onto someone who had no power over the creation of the mess. They then lie and make ridiculous claims that someone who took office less than a year ago, who hasn’t passed one budget, has spent a trillion dollars. More ridiculous are those totally brainless people who say he’s spent $33 trillion, or as they say, “quadrupled the debt”.

It’s also disingenuous to say the early actions of this Obama guy have been a disaster because the stimulus hasn’t “fixed” the worst economic crisis in a century in a very short time.

This meltdown claimed several big players of the financial sector, firms like Bear and Lehman that had been around for almost a CENTURY (due to their malfeasance and greed). The economy doesn’t have a cold, it has cancer. And that cancer is due to the things that were done over the last 30 years of conservative fiscal policy dominance, greatly accelerated in the period when those policies had little impedence to being implemented, that when the republicans ruled unilaterally.

Back to my point: No matter who took office you’d be fucked. If you get the country back you’ll be fucked. If your side manages to stop everything the dems try to do (you won’t be able to) you’ll be fucked.

Lying about the past, lying about what is being done now, deflecting blame, is all because you lost an election.

There’s a good number of people who think that only republicans can be legitimately elected. That attitude is particularly pronounced in the military and ex-military types. That’s ridiculous and destructive.

Make no mistake, your kids will suffer but not because of anything I’ve done. It’s all due to your support for the policies that have given the country economic cancer and if things get worse (as you hope they do) due to the republicans’ mindless, destructive obstruction. That’s why they deserve to suffer and face a grim future, because you created that and are continuing to support keeping us on a downward path so you can win again. That’s sabotage. Very bitter, short-sighted and guaranteed to make the lives of your families and especially your children much harder.

I don’t have any.

Um, Budgets come from Congress.
Steve on July 19, 2009 at 08:29 am

Whistler begs to differ:

The president recommends a budget…
The Whistler on July 19, 2009 at 06:19 am

So do I. I am with Whistler on this one

… six horrible years…

is nothing more than your opinion, Dino, which you routinely assume must be fact because you think it.

Ok, doubling the debt was a great achievment. Creating the worst economic downturn in a century was brilliant statesmanship.

Your kids and grandkids face a grim future. Oh sure, some will escape the mess but many will be trapped in it. The unrealized potential, the debt hardships for education, health care, loss of government services due to the republican imperative to destroy government. Those will all hand the next generations a reduced quality of life.

All thanks to your loyal support of conservatism.

Have a nice Sunday!

Of course Dino is right, because none of you could counter his argument with facts, so you personally attack him.

is nothing more than your opinion, Dino, which you routinely assume must be fact because you think it.

Well of course it is fact PP……from his perspective, from your it is not. The majority of Americans voted that he is right and you are wrong, during the last election.

Actually, the word “fact” comes from the Latin “factum”, which means “deed”. In other words, facts are not matters of opinion; they are either true or not, and that can be determined. Little dino is parroting the same non fact-based opinions over and over again, trying to use volume of spew in place of truth.
He has been refuted countless times by many people. He has no facts, only propaganda.

Big 180:

…In other words, facts are not matters of opinion; they are either true or not, and that can be determined…

The more I investigate McCain, the more firmly I am convinced that I cannot vote for him, as a matter of principle. He’s a shit sandwich I just refuse to eat.

By robert108 on June 22, 2008 at 03:50 pm

I voted for him…

robert108 on November 7, 2008 at 08:41 am

…The facts don’t lie.

By robert108 on April 8, 2009 at 07:00

OOhh, R180 caught factually voting for McCain, who he said he would not vote for.

Which 180 are we to believe?

I voted for Sarah, as even the cherry-picked statement affirms.

Nice try to distract from your many factual errors with an off topic personal attack and lie, though, little H. It’s all you have.

You can’t vote for only Sarah, that can be verified as fact.

If you have a signed ballot that proves that, I’ll send the FBI over to pick it up.
Nice try to use this old, irrelevant chestnut to distract from Obama’s fiscal insanity(which is the topic of this thread), but you have nothing, as usual, but feeble attempts at personal attack.
If Sarah had won the election, we would be in recovery already, and Americans would be getting their retirement accounts restored by a rising market and an economy with positive economic growth. Obama’s economic crime has been to attack the private sector, where all wealth is created.

My statement holds true no matter what you say:
Veto and bully pulpit.
Any president not using the above agrees with everything that congress sends his way.

That’s ridiculous. Presidents don’t agree with 100% of what’s in the budget when their own party is in control.

Compromise is absolutely neccessary to ge your agenda passed.

Good point, Kenny; in addition, the President doesn’t have a line item veto, due to the Separation of Powers. The Legislative Branch is supposed to do the legislating.
Our Constitution puts the President in a “take it or leave it” position on budgets.
When Clinton refused to sign the some budgets from the Republican Congress, his propaganda machine blamed Congress for a “Govt shutdown”. Of course, Dem Presidents always try to expand their power over other branches of govt.

the election was not a referendum on the 6 years of Republican control, but instead on the current situation, as based on media reporting of the housing bust as the Republicans fault.

The MSM??? Hardly. It was when McCain said the fundamentals of our economy were strong, when they were collapsing and his lack of a well thought out solution in response to the crisis.

The lead before the election jockeyed between Obama and McCain. Saying McCain led until the crash makes little sense since the crash had started far before even McCain was the candidate. Bear Stearn’s collapse in Mar 2008 was accompanied by lots of other financial crises, bank failures etc. The meltdown accelerated fast last fall but began much earlier.

Trying to blame things on a one vote majority democratic Congress WITH a republican president is ludicrous. Even the dumbest among you knows that economic effects of the magnitude we’ve experienced don’t develop quickly but are the result of much longer term policy effects. Dems made little, if any policy from Jan 2007 to the meltdown.

But, if it makes you feel better to blame Obama, great. You’re still fucked, your kids are still fucked, and your retirements and home values are still fucked.

Taking precedence as an indicator, returning the country to the republicans will only make things worse as it was their policies that brought us here.

So remain resolute in your blind opposition, encourage your republican leaders to sabotage, roadblock, destroy and obstruct. You’re only hurting yourselves and making it worse for your progeny. But if indulging your bitterness over losing the election is worth that, go for it. At least the biggest victims of that strategy will be those closest to you.

I will be fine as an educated, white, childless male whose elderly relatives are all gone. That’s for certain.

Do enjoy!

Kenny. It is not ridiculous. If you are against waste, fraud, earmarks, “unnecesary social spending” you veto the damn things.

When you have priorities that have to be met (funding the troops so they have basic necessities), you compromise. Other examples are Reagan agreeing to more social spending in order to get his massive tax cuts.

No President agrees with 100% of the budget. That’s why attaching pet projects to must pass bills is so popular. To shoot down some “measely” project, the President, or majority, must kill their own bill.

Politics 101.

The MSM??? Hardly. It was when McCain said the fundamentals of our economy were strong, when they were collapsing and his lack of a well thought out solution in response to the crisis.

Neither candidate had a good solution. Let’s not play games. The choice was between absolutely awful and completely abhorrant.

It was the endless drumbeat of “this is Bush’s fault” and “McCain is Bush 3″ that was McCain’s undoing.

Because Obama has been for all of the spending and wants to spend even more. He’s a major part of the problem and not at ALL part of the solution.

And which presidents was spending like Obama and cared not about deficits in spite of rhetoric?
I will give you a hint: Reagan was one.

As for the deficit: The majority of the federal deficit, indeed of all government debt including the states, is due to the drastic drop in revenue collection due to the drastic drop in economic activity that began before Obama was even a candidate.

A lie is a lie no matter how many times it’s repeated.

Whistler grabs at straws.

OK, whistler. It’s all because of Fannie, Freddie and the CRA.

Why didn’t republicans repeal the CRA when they had control of the Congress and the White House from 2001 to 2007?

Why didn’t they regulate Fannie & Freddie when they controlled Congress from 1995 to 2006, again with a republican president from 2001 to 2007?

Please list the “liberals” who were in control and that the power to legislate from 1995 to 2007.

I know how disappointing it must be to see your ideology rule for half a lifetime only to reward you with 30-50% loss on your retirement and personal savings, a declining value for your home and an uncertain, debt-filled, difficult future for your progeny.

On the other hand, people who supported liberals post WW2 were richly rewarded. Our ideology worked. My state university education cost $5000. My union father made good money. My mother could stay at home and raise us. We lived well for a blue collar family.

Conservatism has been a huge disappointment and will definitely cause much hardship for your children and grandchildren. For you too.

In short, you’re fucked.

Little dino: It’s very simple: No CRA, no bad loans, no housing bubble, no bundled securities, no massive increase in debt instruments, no massive expansion of Fannie and Freddie, no meltdown.
It’s called cause and effect reasoning. Intelligent, educated people use it all the time.

Think about that when you look at your 401k statement or find out your house is appraised for much less than you thought. If you bought since 2005 you may NEVER see it worth what you paid for again.

My house is worth more than I paid for it. Appreciated in value last year and this year.

Why do you have so much hate for people Dino? Seriously…please no nastiness, as it is an honest question. I don’t have hate for you, or anybody else, nor do I find glee in people suffering, no matter their political persuasion or “category” in life.

My union father made good money. My mother could stay at home and raise us. We lived well for a blue collar family

We are also a “blue collar” family, and I stay home with my children, leaving a career, because we make financial choices and sacrifices, as millions of families do, of all political views in this country. That isn’t confined to one political view

Enjoy your Sunday while I drive back to Portland from my weekend getaway, not a care in the world since I don’t have childrens’ future to fret over.

I am glad you enjoyed your weekend…Portland is a beautiful city and I hope to be able to visit it again, but we had all better hope there are many more children born in this country, as we need more taxpayers to pay for all of these programs, whether you agree with them or not. I choose not to fret over my children’s future, because I believe in the people of this country, Liberal, Conservative, libertarian and Independent. It may take a generation or more to pay get our house in order, but I believe that will happen. Being concerned about policies that will affect my children is not a bad thing, and not the same as feeling hopeless for their future.

6. I not only hope your children and grandchildren suffer for your support of conservatism, I hope their futures are as dim and difficult to the same degree as your dishonesty. I know they will be saddled with debt both personal and societal and they will experience a greatly diminished quality of life due to both.

Now that I am feeling good from thinking about the hell your progeny will inherit thanks to 30 years of pursuing conservatism, I’m going to go have a nice dinner and wine with my childless friends.

You may hate children, or you may not, but I do not understand why you want the very people that need to grow up and be taxpayers to support programs and pay off the debt, to suffer. I realize you are childless as are your friends, but I assume you do not live in a bubble, and while you may not have any elderly relatives to care about, surely you have nieces or nephews or friends/family with children? Do you take glee in their suffering as well?

I am not a Republican, so I don’t know what category of deserving suffering I would fall into, but I am not taking glee in anybody’s economic problems. I have every kind of political persuasion in my family than you can imagine, yet I don’t sit there and think “I hope that *you*, suffer because of your political views, but you, I hate that you are suffering, because I agree with your views”

You had much to offer conversation wise in my first jump into a post on this board about don’t ask, don’t tell, but now…. Are you not interested at all in trying to have dialogue with those you don’t agree with to come to at least an understanding, ala Hannitized’s sig quote?

I don’t mean to pick, I just wonder where that don’t ask don’t tell conversation person went. You are not totally at fault with the nastiness of these threads of course, I just wonder……

Why didn’t republicans repeal the CRA when they had control of the Congress and the White House from 2001 to 2007?

The Clinton recession, plus the Clinton-enabled 9/11, took our attention from 2001-2003, then fighting terrorism while fighting the defeatist Dems took the rest of the time.
This is typical 20/20 hindsight quibbling by lefties who have nothing besides “blame Bush” for all the disaster they have caused with their social engineering/tax and spend economic nonsense.

A Citizen. Shalom friend.

Don’t patronize the stems, Ellinas.

Hate to burst your bubble, Swish, but to patronize someone, in the sense which you’ve used the word, requires a certain initial level of superiority. And you clearly ain’t got that!

1. It’s not hard to have an intellectual edge on people who think it possible to spend $33 trillion dollars in 6 months without having one budget put into effect.

2. It’s not hard to feel superior to people who think they can ignore 30 years of bad conservative fiscal policy and blame a Depression on someone who took office over a year after it started.

Citizen weighs in on the way to his father’s third funeral.

Dino is a troll attempt, and is two or maybe three different people.

You’d all be better off using the script or at the very least not replying and not quoting. At the very best it tosses you softballs and you hit homers, but it’s not playing the field so it doesn’t matter. You will be replying to the trolls for all eternity because that is their entire reason for posting: to get you to waste time on it.

Neither Dem’s nor Repubs are doing anything to really uncover what happened… Shame on us, and fuck those motherfuckers.
ellinas on July 19, 2009 at 04:14 pm

Well put “E”

Shalom

After 30 years of pursuing conservative economic policies…

The policies that made it possible for someone with ambition and drive able to achieve and accomplish their goals. To provide for their families, to enjoy everything that is available to anyone who is determined to stand on their own two feet. And now, Dino, on a daily basis confirms that Obama’s new policies will not work and will create suffering for future generations. Future generations of DEMS, REPUBS, INDEPENDENTS and LIBS. He can keep spewing his daily rant, but he doesn’t have to convince us that Obama is a fuck up and is destroying the country, we can see it for ourselves. We can also see that Dino will soon be without health care due to his high-risk life style. How long can Dino suck his own shit from the cocks that fuck him before it all catches up with him.