Obama’s Flip-Flop On Gay Marriage Was Not Nearly The Historic Moment It’s Being Made Out To Be

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As someone who believes the government ought not be telling individuals who they can marry, and churches what sort of marriage ceremonies they can hold, I applaud President Obama for finally seeing the light on gay marriage whatever his motivations.

But can we cut out some of the gushing about the supposedly “historic” nature of Obama’s calculated political move? Let’s admit that Obama was only against gay marriage because certain important constituencies – most notably black voters – tend to skew toward opposition to the practice. And let’s further admit that Obama’s decision to change his position was about politics.

The President needs to keep the debate in this election away from his economic policies and fiscal management, and gay marriage is just the ticket. It’s a sort of variation on “god, guns and gays” political strategy in the past.

Again, I’m happy about the outcome, but let’s not pretend as though this was courage and not glinty-eyed, cynical political calculation intended to distract and divide.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • DopeyDem

    He’ll be against it next time there is a fund raiser at an NAACP meeting. Then he’ll be for it when there is a fund raiser at a LGBT meeting. Easy pattern to predict.

    • $8194357

      And he will “definatley” be against it when the Muslim Brotherhood
      comes to da house…

  • Gern Blanston

    Desperate political move. Along with the Romney H.S. hazing story.

    • $8194357

      A black hole of silence on little Barry Soretos bi sexual dope smoking past and Romneys “bullying” (so fffnn PC) from his school days a major news story?

      What kind of MSM propaganda favortism id that folks?

    • Awfulorv

      Romney is reported to have Color Crayoned, “Your Mother Wares Army Boots” on the Brick wall surrounding the campus ,and was chastened by the well known Liberal head master Mr. Chips.   Not for the defacement,  but for the spelling gaffe.

  • Jeff

    Democrats…..flip-flopping on an issue….for political gain…..no…that never happens. If Romney did this, the media would have a field day about how he is using the issue of gay marriage just to get elected.

    • Demosthenes

       Jeff let’s be careful here, this is a fault of all political candidates. regardless of party. It is rather laughable you bring Mittens up in opposition as some who doesn’t do this… Etcha Sketch moment?

      • Gern Blanston

        The gay flip-flop is being heralded as akin to the freeing of slaves. I don’t think the etch-a-sketch moment compares. I find it interesting that when Dems get caught on an issue like this, we are reminded that all politicians do it; when a Republican does it, it is a sign that they have sunk to new lows.

        • $8194357

          $40,000 a plate flip/flop that really wasn’t a flip/flop..

          • two_amber_lamps
          • $8194357

            Pie for everybody speech from a
            Mr. Truman from Minnisota, 1949.

            ODE TO THE WELFARE STATE

            Father, I must go to work?
            No, my lucky son.
            We’re living on Easy Street
            On dough from Washington.

            We’ve left it to Uncle Sam,
            So don’t get exercised
            Nobody has to give a damn–
            We’ve all been subsidized.

            But if Sam treats us all so well
            And feeds us milk and honey,
            But , please, daddy tell me what the hell
            He’s going to use for money?

            Don’t worry, bub, theres not a hitch
            In this noble plan–
            He simply soaks the filthy rich
            And helps the comman man.

            But, father, won’t there come a time
            When they run out of cash
            And we have left them not a dime
            When things will go to smash?

            My faith in you is shrinking son
            You nosey little brat;
            You do to damn much thinking, son.
            To be a Democrat.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            And you have more child molestation convictions than a Utah Mormon pastor.

          • Todd

             You mean a Catholic priest.

        • ellinas1

          The gay flip-flop is not, I repeat not being heralded as akin to the freeing of slaves. I do, I repeat I do think the etch-a-sketch moment compares. I find it interesting that when the repubs get caught on an issue like this, we are reminded that all politicians do it; when a republican does it, it is truly a sign that they have sunk to new lows.

      • Jeff

        When Obama goes from opposing gay marriage to being for it, he has evolved on the issue. When Romney goes from being pro choice to then being pro life, he is flip flopping. Hypocrisy from the media at its finest.

        • two_amber_lamps

           Depends on who you talk to… some might say Obama devolved… 

          • ellinas1

            Hello, baby doll! How are you today?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Brit Hume said it best. “Obama didn’t evolve, he revolved.”  He’s now back to the position he started with back in the 90’s.

        • ellinas1

          When Romney goes from 
           …you fill the blanks.., he has evolved on the issue. When Obama goes from being …you fill the blanks.., he is flip flopping. Hypocrisy from the right wing at its finest.

    • Oswaldo

      The media IS having a field day about how Obama is using the issue of gay marriage just to get elected

  • Jay

    Obama knew it was win-win to support gay marriage. Blacks are one of the groups most vehemently opposed to gay marriage, yet they’ll vote overwhelmingly Dem even while voting for ridiculous marriage amendments like the one in North Carolina. (See the 2006 Virginia Senate race, where blacks, while voting for a similar amendment, overwhelmingly backed Jim Webb, who opposed it.) At the same time, most non-blacks opposed to gay marriage are already lined up behind Romney. There was no courage for Obama to take this position because the issue itself is likely a wash. I doubt it’s pandering since Obama probably genuinely does support gay marriage. He just felt compelled to be himself and disavow his early pandering position when faced with the posdibility of losing campaign dollars from the gay lobby.

    • ellinas1

      You must admit. He is a calculating and shrewd politician.

      • A Citizen

          Good morning E, hope you are well.

        It seems Obama took this stance on a personal level, not a political
        one. Do you think this stance will become a plank in the dem party, or
        viewed more as his personal position as he stated?

        • ellinas1

          Shalom citizen. I am well and wish the best for you and yours.
          Who knows? We’ll have to wait and see. 
          It is a good strategy on his part, for it generates a lot of $$$$$ campaign contributions.
          Cn he turn that support into votes? I truly cannot say.

  • Asdf

    How did you determine what his motivations were?

    • sbark

      by the money he got last nite at G.Clooneys…….and the money the LGBT’s were withholding from his campaign coffers………..big money

      his motivations were monetary……….as always

      • $8194357

        Frank Davis helped form Barys Larry Sinclair
        evolved stance on “sexuallity” so long ago, IMO..

    • ellinas1

      He assumed! 

  • Neiman

    Isn’t absolutely everything historic after it is a fact? I find it fascinating to say something is historical as if most other things that have happened are not nor never could be a part of history at all, falling into some chasm of “never was” – yes quite fascinating.

    This incident does have historical significance being, the Roman and Greek Empires before their fall into the ash heaps, had given way to gross sexual immorality, the openness of homosexual conduct being a last stage symptom of moral decay/cancer* that appears just before death. We have closely followed the course of these two great empires in our short history and our rejection of God, embrace of moral dissolution and as a last gasp before we implode our acceptance of the idolatrous, sexually debased homosexual lifestyle are just the same.

    This is also further proof, though not really needed, that old Robbo was on a rare occasion right, Obama is an atheist, a player on the world stage not of Christian values or even Muslim for that matter, but of antichrist. It saddens me that so many here are rejoicing at our moral and consequent economic implosion, looking forward to their legal drugs and unrestrained sexual debauchery, the full license given to their Libertine lusts. Notice that is what the Liberal Party and Liberalism mean – Libertine, licentiousness and death. Lastly, make no mistake Rob, Jay and others here are true Libertines (One who acts without moral restraint; a dissolute person. One who defies established religious precepts; a freethinker. Morally unrestrained; dissolute).

    Great day for these folks, a short season left to enjoy their lusts, then Judgment and everlasting conscious punishing, a stiff price to pay for getting high and acting like rutting pigs fora short time.

     

  • Robert

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/

    In 1996, as he ran for Illinois state Senate, Chicago’s Outlines gay newspaper asked candidates to fill out a questionnaire. Tracy Baim, the co-founder and publisher of Outlines, dug up a copy of the questionnaire in 2009, cataloging the president-elect’s shift. He had written on the 1996 questionnaire, “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.”

    • Asdf

      Yes. He has long been an advocate for ending discrimination of gay people.

      • $8194357

        FUNNY
        SO HAVE ALL THESE MARXIST COMMUNISTS

        (a revision of the marxist concept of false consciousness)

        and has very real similarities with policies made by the communists in the eastern bloc in order to silence dissent.

        (The western variant originated in the “critical theory” )

        Refusing to take any responsibility for their own beliefsystem
        and present their agenda in a direct and comprehensible manner
        ,they found themselves content with

        igniting the conflicts within capitalist societies
        in order to weaken them.

        Promoting hedonism and making enemies of every thinkable grouping within the free world, they kept authorities comfortably busy on the homefront.

        Blacks and whites, husbands and wives, young and old, gay and straight etc.

        race baiting radical femminist, gay activist haters of America with

        “false moral talking points”

        to destroy a moral western culture from within…

        You dead on right in your assesment…

        He has been a marxist “cause advocate” all his life……….

    • JustRuss

      And he has been against it and for it and against it again in the 4 years since,  I believe he is genuinely for it, I also believe the timing was for the money and not out of any great moral courage. 

      It is currently convenient for his campaign coffers to be for it. He has been against in the past, I believe he was pandering then, and now he doesn’t have anything to lose and a lot of money to gain by telling how he really feels.

      He came out of the closet, for the money, don’t try and use one bit of evidence from 2009 to define his past, his past is full of flip flops on the issue. 

      • Davoarid

        How is it convenient for his campaign to support gay marriage rights?

        • Econwarrior

          Nice try at framing it as “convenient”, but it is the strategy of this incarnation of the Dem Party to play class warfare and to divide Americans into  squabbling groups.  obama is just following his fascist nature and is trying to make a “bundle” of all his minority special interest groups, while he tries to throw the majority of Americans under the bus with his facile lies.

          • Davoarid

            Conservatives aren’t doing the same thing when they talk about the need to ban gay marriage? 

            Didn’t like 14 states add amendments like that to the ballot back in ’04? Wasn’t that a politically calculated move?

          • ‘Tom Crawford

            I believe that was the whole point in many arguments is that the Federal Government should not be involved and it should be left to the States to decide.

          • Econwarrior

            There’s no need to “ban” something that doesn’t exist, except by big govt fiat.  We are simply affirming the existence of real marriage and protecting it from the attacks of special interest groups.

        • JustRuss

          Because of the timing, all that money sitting on the sidelines because he wouldn’t just say it. Meanwhile most of the votes that he won’t get because he supports it were votes he wouldn’t have gotten anyway.

          Now is a convenient time for him to state his actual belief.

          For what it is worth, I think Obama is a wonderful husband and father and I hope that he is an example to black men everywhere. The more he tells the truth about his actual beliefs and sticks to them, the more respect he will get from me even if I disagree with him.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        It must be an outrage for you to watch a liberal coming out in favor of gay marriage, yeah?  Wwhat a conspiracy!  I mean, it’s so sly and tricky.

        Say, you came out to note all the pretending Romney is doing, right JustRusss?

  • mickey_moussaoui

    It’s no big trick to figure out obama. Don’t listen to what he says, watch what he does.

    obama is all about diversion

    • Awfulorv

      And I say it’s high time he were to inspect the Garrison Diversion project, in a leaky boat…

    • two_amber_lamps

       diversion + division = Bamster

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      Yeah, for his next diversion he will be all about tricking the American public with the one thing they would never expect from a liberal, balancing the deficit by eliminating the bush tax gift.  I mean, who would think that was coming?

      Or maybe he will trick everyone by supporting an automatic weapons ban?  Who would believe a liberal would try that?

      • Guest

         How often do you clean your semi automatic weapons, and who are you planning to kill?

      • JustRuss

        Please show us the math. There isn’t enough money sitting in that tax cut to come near balancing the budget. There have to be cuts, to everything but most especially to non-discretionary spending.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    I have to admit that it is funny how obama suckerd the suckers out of their money without making any laws to back up his evolutionary confession.

    • JustRuss

      Right?  The Gay Lobby seems to be touting this as law, history changing, in reality all it is, is a few words uttered by a man. President yes, but not dictator.

      yet

      • two_amber_lamps

         … not dictator…  not just yet anyways.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Obama will be historic. He will be remembered as the liberal failure that tried to socialize America and destroy our energy system

    • Awfulorv

      And , by coincidence no doubt, another in an endless line of black leaders who were found wanting. Hopefully, like most of his brethren, he wont have the opportunity to imprison, starve, work us to death, hang, shoot, impale babies heads onto spiked trees etc., like the rest of the communist states do to their populace.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        bush practically destroyed the country as well as the global economy, Obama stabilized it and you think you are making a point about black vs white leaders?

        OMG, you just don’t stop with these idiotic hit’s of yours.

        • Todd

           Ya gotta love all those shovel ready jobs that weren’t really shovel ready. Solyndra was a great success along with Beacon and SunPower. And ya just have love the average of over 365,000 people filing for unemployment every week.Yup, really stabilizing.

  • $8194357

    All Dems have John Kerry nuanced moments of being for it before they were against if..

    Depends on which way the wind is blowing..

  • Neiman

    A sign of the end, debauchery on display using children to elect Obama:

  • LastBestHope

    Obama lost the election with this gambit. (And yes, we can forever thank Biden)

    It was an amateur ploy, born of panic. But then, The One was always been “The Amateur”

    btw…move previously in play NC to solid RED

    • Todd

       Am amateur American, a professional Marxist hell bent on killing the country.

    • Awfulorv

      I feel there’s a heavyweight secret, of a sexual nature, involving a Hollywood  Actress initials L.L., to be revealed in the next few months. He hasn’t been using Dem planes to, as Bill said, “Deliver Coffee”. The “Manhattan Medium” agrees…

  • Bat One

    The people who are gushing with pride over Obama’s “evolving… historic” moment were going to vote for Obama anyway, so all this really does is help with Obama’s fundraising.

    OTOH, Mr. Romney is weakest with the social conservatives, the very folks who will likely see this as another reason, and a strong one,  to get out on election day and vote against Obama, rather than staying at home.

    • $8194357

      I wonder if Barry will “evolve” with the “brotherhood” on “sharia”?

      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/05/another-muslim-gang-busted-in-second-child-sex-ring-of-young-non-muslim-girls-.html

      THE RELIGION OF PEACE AND TOLERANCE GROWING STRONGER IN THE UK……

      QUOTE:

      Another Muslim Gang Busted in “Second Child Sex Ring” of young non-Muslim girls

      Unremitting. Unreal. More Muslims Jailed for Raping, Grooming Tween girls, 40 More Sought

      British Judge:
      “Targeted because they were not part of your community or religion”:
      Judge blasts sex gang

      UK

      Child Sex Trafficking Trial:

      Nine Muslim men guilty of exploiting non-Muslim schoolgirls for sex and prostitution after plying them with vodka and drugs

      Forcing non-Muslim girls to become prostitutes and sex slaves is in the sharia.

      They think that non-Muslim (race has nothing to do with this) teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought.

      Islam is not a race, and framing the issue this way is just another accommodation to Islam.

      This reinforces the special status that Muslims have under the sharia, which denies non-Muslims basic human rights.

      Of course, the requisite ‘backlashophobia” is a main concern of the Muslim community in the UK, which does nothing about the sexploitation of young non-Muslim girls

      .Police uncover ‘second child sex ring’ in Rochdale after woman says she was abused over six years

      Daily Mail

      Nine men have been arrested in what officers are treating as separate from that of the group of men jailed this week for similar offences

      The alleged victim is thought to be one of 47 girls questioned in relation to the original child sex ring
      Men arrested in latest inquiry are not thought to have known members from other grooming trial

      Arrests come as police continue to hunt other suspected members of original case
      Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk believes sexual exploitation is a ‘wider problem’ in the area

      By Lyle Brennan and David Baker
      Daily Mail

      Nine men have been arrested by detectives investigating a second suspected child grooming ring in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, just days after a group of men when were jailed for a similar offences in the same town.
      It is understood that inquiries began after one of the 47 girls questioned in relation to the earlier sex racket led officers to what could be another exploitation ring based in the same area.

      Greater Manchester Police said the men arrested in the latest inquiry are not thought to have known each other.
      The first Oldham scandal:
      Eight of the nine men who were jailed this week following an investigation into what police say appears to be an entirely separate sex grooming ring. The ninth man cannot be identified for legal reasons

      The fresh inquiry comes just days after nine Asian men were jailed for a total of 77 years for raping and abusing up to 47 girls – some as young as 13 – after plying them with alcohol and luring them to takeaways.

      More…
      Asian grooming gang detectives hunt for FORTY more men who may have had sex with underage girls

      Police fears of being (branded racist)
      ‘left grooming gang free to abuse teenage girls for two years,’
      says former Labour MP

      SPECIAL INVESTIGATION:

      The girl, 15, handed to her abusers on a plate to be raped by a sex gang after care home staff let her run away 19 times

      The judge in that trial said they treated their five white victims ‘as though they were worthless and beyond any respect’.

      Liverpool Crown Court heard how five girls – aged between 13 and 15 –
      were given alcohol, food and money in return for sex and that on some occasions the men even used violence.

      Those offences happened in and around Rochdale in 2008 and 2009.

      END QUOTE

      BARRY SAYS RESPECT IT….
      COMING WITH THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TO AMERICAN SHORES….
      Real soon….

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      Yes, when the bigots realize that gays might not be looked at as scourge, and not just regular people, the bigoted conservatives will come out of their closets in droves and do their best to ensure they continue to be assholes to these poor folks who are just trying to find a slice of happiness and make their way in the world without being hated. 

      Good job, nutters.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        Sounds like you are getting ready to come out of the closet.

        Go for it

        • Guest

           He’s been out of the closet for a while. He’s the talk of the office around the water cooler.

      • Awfulorv

        There it is, the crux of the problem, the “Not just regular people” bit. You, and your partner, have your picket fenced love nest overlooking upper Castro, and you think that makes you eligible to marry, “Just like regular people”, is that it?  But you’re unlike the regulars in one very important respect.  You, or rather your actions, are the primary cause of the deadly AIDS virus.  Were you to Remain with that partner, and be faithful to same, for, say ten years, without “Straying, the incidence of HIV would plunge. But you don’t do that, in the heat of the moment, you just can’t resist that hot Steward from a Canadian Airline, which is how Aids is thought to have started, BTW. Your partner is also doing the same, out of sight across the room, or in the bar next door. You, and he have, on average, hundreds of assignations during your lifetimes, all the while purporting to be chaste, each one providing the opportunity for contracting the HIV virus. And then, after all the warnings, and your, it seems,  disinterest in elemental protection, you become afflicted with Aids. And you, your President, and the politicians from the  S.F.Bay, want we taxpayers to  underwrite this enormously expensive lifestyle. The pure audacity of it all astounds most Heterosexuals. Tell ya what I would support. A medical insurance policy, designed for, and to protect Homosexuals only. This insurance,  financed totally by gays, and Lesbians, with absolutely no co-mingling with regular insurance companies, would  of necessity be very expensive. You and your friends might just have thought of such a policy, but figured, what the hey, why not let John, and Jane, America, and their family, pay for my old in, and out, pastime, never doubt, Gays had a big hand in Obamacare.  Tell ya also, you come up with such insurance coverage, as I’ve described, and we “Regular People” might just throw in an inexpensive wedding for you, and your partner. Hows about them apples???

  • Neiman

    Is Obama the first Gay President? Newsweek and Sullivan think so, also Obama’s Messiah halo is back, this time in rainbow colors, so are they saying he is the first Gay-Messiah-President?

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/13/Newsweek-Obama-first-gay-prez

     

  • mickey_moussaoui

    from the very talented BigFurHat of IOTW

    ya gotta love it……………..

    To quote Fur: “It’s a leftard dilemma,a black guy hanging himself.They don’t know whether to charge the dead guy with a hate crime or not.”

    hahahahaha

  • Spartacus

    African-American Church Leaders Condemn Obama For Gay Marriage Support

    Are they racists or homophobes?

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/05/13/same-sex-marriage-supporters-opponents-gear-up-for-november-ballot/

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