Here is some bad news for you young people. Obama scares the shit out of investors because his policies are anti-capitalism. Investment is the engine that drives capitalism and creates economic prosperity for all. The rising tide lifts all boats analogy is best for all. No country has ever taxed and spent its way into prosperity. Only an idiot would believe that. And Obama believes that.

This recession will last for Obama’s entire presidency. If you voted for Obama you helped screw yourself. It’s just that simple.

Here’s a little humor to lighten your day.

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel ” pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promised land”.

Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said, ” Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel, this is the promised land”.

Now Obama has stolen your shovel , taxed your asses, raised the price of camels, and mortgaged the promised land.

Too bad that Obama’s and his Dem buddies are such jerks that they made it illegal to hire those kids at a wage that they’re worth.

… unemployement will hit 11 to 12 percent in the next year.

It shouldn’t take nearly that long. With the pending Obama tax hikes, the “Cap ‘n’ Trade” tax, Health Care “Reform” tax, and the real impact of the Obama deficits yet to hit the economy full force, few if any businesses are willing to invest in new employees when there is little reason to believe they’ll be able to hang on to the experienced ones they have now.

The only thing keeping Obama in office is MSM lies. Soon to be over.

Kinda puts the old kibosh on that gal who was telling kids to get a job if they’re hungry.

Not really, any teen worth his weight in salt could easily get a job, if they were properly motivated. 75% of those that want jobs have them! You just have to beat out the bottom 25%, which given todays teens isn’t exactly difficult…

Another key constituency soon to be lost…

What about all those “green” jobs, picking lettuce and beans?

Don’t be deluded. The young blame bush and HATE republicans. Most everyone else does too.

Republicans should be held in CAGES.

Gen Dems: The Party’s Advantage Among Young Voters Widens

Trends in the opinions of America’s youngest voters are often a barometer of shifting political winds. And that appears to be the case in 2008. The current generation of young voters, who came of age during the George W. Bush years, is leading the way in giving the Democrats a wide advantage in party identification, just as the previous generation of young people who grew up in the Reagan years — Generation X — fueled the Republican surge of the mid-1990′s.

GOP Losses Span Nearly All Demographic Groups

The decline in Republican Party affiliation among Americans in recent years is well documented, but a Gallup analysis now shows that this movement away from the GOP has occurred among nearly every major demographic subgroup. Since the first year of George W. Bush’s presidency in 2001, the Republican Party has maintained its support only among frequent churchgoers, with conservatives and senior citizens showing minimal decline.

That’s too bad about kids having a hard time finding a job. I know that 3 of my cousin’s children are having trouble finding jobs because they are competing with out of work adults. I know it has been difficult for graduating college students who have student loans to pay. I hope they will be able to find jobs in the future.

We have been fortunate to be in this economy. My daughter is able to work at the state park for 9.50 an hour, and my son has a yard business.

I am glad the kids around here can get jobs if they want/need them.

Good to see you pointed out the obvious, historical, and predictable cause. The minimum wage screws marginal workers the most, because it is illegal to hire them at wages that clear the market. A majority of people have heard the lecture explaining this, but most people think “teens don’t really need jobs” and that this will “help the single parent struggling to get by”. It’s stupid if you think about it (and totally unjust), but people think they’re clever… we’ll see.

On another note, inflation will soon wipe out the minimum wage increase, which should put downward pressure on teen unemployment, if not total unemployment (which will continue slump — at least private employment, which is all that should count).

Not really, any teen worth his weight in salt could easily get a job, if they were properly motivated. 75% of those that want jobs have them! You just have to beat out the bottom 25%, which given todays teens isn’t exactly difficult…

The hell they can. I’ve hunted non-stop for new steadier employment for the last two months, with barely a bite (and I’ve had a year’s experience in the workforce).

Holding down a job, and finding a new job and/or getting into the job market are three completely different things.

Most young people start out as liberals as that is so “cool” and then after 10-20 years or so, they get smarter and realize the adverse consequences of liberal policy.

And it has only just begun.

It shouldn’t take nearly that long. With the pending Obama tax hikes, the “Cap ‘n’ Trade” tax, Health Care “Reform” tax, and the real impact of the Obama deficits yet to hit the economy full force, few if any businesses are willing to invest in new employees when there is little reason to believe they’ll be able to hang on to the experienced ones they have now.

You’re right we are so screwed. OBAMA owns this mess I don’t care if sock puppets like Dino try to deflect the blame and say it’s all Bush’s fault.

Too bad the whole minimum wage argument doesn’t hold up. Minors can and are paid up to 85 cents less then full adults. And how do you judge minors to output less then an adult? I work harder and output much more then the adults at my work. It’s almost like its a per person thing.

I was going to respond to this, but then I thought better of it. I just want to add to my previous comments about a majority of the public hearing the lecture about the consequences of the minimum wage — there are also many people who hear the lecture who are too stupid to understand it.

Here is some bad news for you young people. Obama scares the shit out of investors because his policies are anti-capitalism.

So, because I’m young, I’m in the Obama camp?

Check your facts, and get back to me on that one.

and don’t have the work ethic to be worth paying $7.25 an hour.

If a business can’t afford to pay that little they’re not a viable business.

The hell they can. I’ve hunted non-stop for new steadier employment for the last two months, with barely a bite (and I’ve had a year’s experience in the workforce).

Holding down a job, and finding a new job and/or getting into the job market are three completely different things.

You haven’t looked that hard…I have yet to hear of you truly pounding the pavement. In fact you only put one application in to my understanding at my McDonald’s.

You have to apply at one or two places before you’ve “hunted non-stop”

If a business can’t afford to pay that little they’re not a viable business.

Did anyone in your family live? You can’t believe all of the stupid tired obnoxious shit that you sphew, its not possible.

If a business can’t afford labor they go out of business. They arne’t then viable as one.

A minimum wage does more helping then hurting, sure there might be a few businesses in the country that are doing bad and need to hire more people but can not afford to but that is too small a percentage to matter.

It is absurd to believe that businesses would buy fair wages without a minimum, my own work barely pays the minimum despite increases in profits during recent years. (Cheap food profits during a time when people are getting poorer, go figure.)

Even as a skilled employee at my job, skilled enough to now be a crew trainer (I know, real prestigious title) I make less then adults who are newly hired and have never worked in fast food again. Most of the teenagers employed at my McDonalds are harder workers then the adults and more stable. It actually makes sense, teenage years are for many people the time to blow of things and money isn’t of the utmost importance so those that have jobs clearly want or need them. Therefore it makes no sense to lower or remove a minimum wage.

Is Rez-Tick turning conservative?

I’ll be a conservative when I meet a conservative smarter enough to copy and paste my name if they can’t spell it.
Rezistick

A minimum wage does more helping then hurting…

Anything to back up this claim?

It is absurd to believe that businesses would buy fair wages without a minimum…

Spoken like a true Marxist. BTW, you don’t “buy” wages; they reflect the contribution the worker makes to the productivity of the business.
Take an econ course.

Anything to back up this claim?

lol troll forgot to read the rest of the post.

Spoken like a true Marxist. BTW, you don’t “buy” wages; they reflect the contribution the worker makes to the productivity of the business.
Take an econ course.

Because of 108 disagrees with an idea, it must be Marxism.

Take a class in social theory.

AND BTW

YOU DO BUY LABOR.

You pay wages to workers, this is buying their time and energy and hopefully skills.

In a time of recession with much job loss we are not exactly in an employees market, without a floor the employers would not pay fair wages.

It wouldn’t be in their interest. And yes, businesses work for their interest. That is the point.

By the way Rez-tick. If you’re underpaid by your current employer you find another one that recognizes your worth.

I like where I work, I am not paid enough but I enjoy the people that work there and there is room for advancement, besides that they offer benefits that makes it possible to get slightly better jobs down the road which will help me through college.

Sure, your argument would work perfectly in a different job market, if I was a college graduate with skills then demanding fair wages from my boss would make sense, however it hurts the employees when employers fail to pay good wages and in McJob market where it doesn’t take much skill and you can be replaced by anyone it is difficult to demand decent wages. This is why we elect a government to represent us.

If you’re underpaid by your current employer…

What is the factual basis for your claim of being underpaid? Have you examined your employer’s books to see how much overhead he has to pay to provide you with a job opportunity? Do you know what his operating expenses are? Do you know how much it costs him to service his debt? Do you have any idea how much you actually contribute to his operation, in money terms? Are there others willing to take your job for less money?
If you don’t know the answer to all the above questions, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Really?

And do all employees perform work of equal quality and value?

A poor workman can, and often does, reduce the value of a product.

A good workman can, and often does, improve the value of a product.

Should both be paid the same?

No, Rodney that is my point. But both should be given the opportunity and both should start at the same wage. Remember, minimum wage jobs aren’t skilled jobs, it doesn’t take much to do them so setting a fair minimum is needed.

What is the factual basis for your claim of being underpaid? Have you examined your employer’s books to see how much overhead he has to pay to provide you with a job opportunity? Do you know what his operating expenses are? Do you know how much it costs him to service his debt? Do you have any idea how much you actually contribute to his operation, in money terms? Are there others willing to take your job for less money?
If you don’t know the answer to all the above questions, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Yes I have seen my bosses books for our store, and I have even seen books for similar stores. To provide me for a job opportunity? Are you serious? You act like I am indebted to him for allowing me to work there, at his ever so prestigious McDonalds. I have saved them thousands of dollars by helping them better manage their workers and materials. Pointing out people who steal and doing extra work when other employees would not. Not to mention I have designed business cards near pro bono for the execs of my franchise which saved them money as well as lead to new business opportunities.

It is quite simple. They have no work ethic. Their “parents” have taught them not to work.
Their parents do not work. They mooch off the taxpayers who work. I saw this “ethic” while teaching public school for 29 years. About 90% were unmotivated except to steal, take drugs and force sex on underaged girls and some boys.

In my day, you worked if you wanted money. I took just about any legal job available and still do.

Simply disgusting what this country has come to. The pioneers of the West led the way and others took a different route.

Rezistik says, “Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.”

It is obvious Rezistik is a Marxist, both in economic theory and his religion is the opiate of the masses belief system.

This is a no brainer: One need only look at the former Soviet Union, Cuba and any place at any time in history wherein socialism has been in force in a nation; and productivity and quality of products and services goes down the toilet, they cannot compete, until and unless they are forced to by police state threats or as in China when a semi-capitalist system has been permitted. It is either capitalism or force, and even with force they can only compete with lower prices based on slave wages and the poverty of their workers that live in fear of the state.

If a business can’t afford to pay that little they’re not a viable business.

What a stupid comeback. That’s most small businesses. And it’s not the business that suffers…it’s the teens.

Thanks for proving again that you give a damn about no one, fascist.

cause it is a minimum wage job. Minimum wage means minimum training needed. For instance a McDonalds, does a college degree really help them for a crew person? So why should a teenager be paid less automatically without any review of his skill level at that job.

Except that most college grads aren’t beating down McDonald’s door to flip burgers. You originally said that adults make more money than teens. I pointed out what a stupid stat that was.

No one is saying “We need college grads to flip our burgers! We’ll pay them more!” They might say “We need college grads to be higher up positions tho.

So those people are fired. The same is to be true of adults.

So this prices people out of the market who otherwize wouldn’t be. You admit it, then dismiss it. That’s fucking stupid Rez.

If a business can’t afford labor they go out of business. They arne’t then viable as one.
A minimum wage does more helping then hurting, sure there might be a few businesses in the country that are doing bad and need to hire more people but can not afford to but that is too small a percentage to matter.

Tell that to the people priced out of a job. Tell that to the people who had their hours cut back to make the budget. Tell that to the millions of people who see the prices of goods go up because of minimum wage increases, while their own salaries don’t go up. Tell that to the businesses that go under.

For a fairy tale benefit that goes to people who don’t need it (teens, who are dependants), lots of real world people are hurt. Teen unemployment went up about 2% in the 6 months after the raise enacted. That’s no small number of teens getting screwed cause “they deserve better pay”.

Liberals never care about the effects of the policies they enact.

Don’t attempt to lecture when you fail to even read an entire post.

It only seems like a lecture to you because I’m telling you things you don’t know. I read your entire post; when your premise is false, the rest is also false. GIGO.
Again, take a basic econ course, if you want to know what you’re talking about.

Minimum wage means minimum training needed.

Not true at all; wages reflect the value of what the employee contributes to the business; the bottom line, again, is this: things and labor are worth what someone is willing to pay for them. You can’t mandate that a certain job is worth a certain amount of money, as the unemployment figures indicate very clearly in Obama’s economic disaster.

And Chief I thought you believed in majority rules. If the majority of workers want a union in the workplace then I suppose you can go work someplace else. You are not entitled to work where you want.

If a person is unable to perform at 7 bucks an hour then they get fired, they don’t deserve to work. 7 bucks isn’t a huge amount for an hour of work.

That depends entirely on their value to whoever is paying them.
If you could absorb this basic principle, you might learn something. There is no fixed value for a person’s work; to some extent, it depends on how much capital equipment they can use. Labor without capital is subsistence only. Would you prefer to make your own clothes and shoes, or have capital and labor cooperate to produce them for you?

Yes, but if the owner does not want gangs in his workplace, he will either sell, move, or hire others who will work without being coerced. He, not you, nor any workers can force anyone to pay for work. That would be slavery in reverse. If the workers think they are so valuable, they can buy the workplace and work it themselves, or create their own business.

Normally, they will not do this because they behave as children, not adults.

During the 1930s, even FDR found this out. It is a game to them, but reality to honest people.

Repeating this question to Eddie the hated because I don’t want it to get lost in the shuffle and I really am curious.

However, don’t tell me that because I’m underage, I’m not capable of working as hard as an adult, in a field in which I am equally qualified.

I’m curious, in what fields are teens equally qualified to work as adults?

As usual from little parrot, no facts, just bad language.

Chief RZ… I can only hope that you meant something different than your comment on child labor laws sounds like.

Please, Neiman, tell us your true feeling about other men who wore the uniform. John Kerry, JFK, McGovern, Jimmy Carter.

Perhaps I might just take offense.

Chief is dung.

He knows why.

Jesus knows why.

The only reason there is a “child” labor law is to protect union members from competition. They know young inspired people can outperform them all day long.

Ya know Chief, for a piece of dung, you really are a piece of dung.

Even an uninspired piece of dung can outwork boob on a good day.

I had to be harassed for an entire day to score as low as 167 and attended gifted classes and even founded one. It doesn’t change anything unless you understand their mentality. The people you look down on rule this world and their social structures and their sensibilities and their instincts rule the day, not yours.

lol the internet genius. I invented physics and you just play the game lollll

I too had to score low for the foolish minds of others to handle my IQ, originally I scored 200 points in puzzle solving. What can I say I am beast. So I can totally and completely sympathize.

It is quite simple. They have no work ethic. Their “parents” have taught them not to work.Their parents do not work. They mooch off the taxpayers who work. I saw this “ethic” while teaching public school for 29 years. About 90% were unmotivated except to steal, take drugs and force sex on underaged girls and some boys.
Chief RZ on July 4, 2009 at 11:58 am

Chief. Identify and name who “they” and “their” are.
This way Neiman and the rest of us will truly know what you mean.

Chief is dung.

He knows why.

Jesus knows why.

We were talking about Chief comrade ribby, not anyone else, stop the liberal obfuscations please. I honor Chief and his service to our c ountry and by his comments at SAB, I believe I know of his exceptional character and honor.

You have no relationship to Jesus whatsoever, why do you blaspheme, He had nothing to do with this post or comments!

Ah, ain’t that cute!?!? e falls back on her usual, pretend she does not understand, bullshit. Next she will cry&wail; that English is her second language and she just needs it explained, again. And again. And again. And again.

Enforced, extended childhood is destructive. It has and is being used to drag people down to the level of the least mentally capable amongst us. The political left, all the shining examples of it that comment here brilliantly illustrating this point, drags everybody DOWN to its mental level. To the lowest common denominator. Never up. Look at public schools and at colleges. The standards continually go downward. A person who graduates after 4 years of college today has an education that is vastly inferior to a High School graduate of 100 years ago.

And the political left calls this progress. Because a tiny fraction of the populace is incapable of rising above a certain level, mentally and morally, those “superior” intellects on the left drags everyone they can down to that level. And they call it “equality”.

Look at dino, woofie, sannitized, buzzed, imagine, elinas, et al. All they screech&wail; about is how those who are successful and able to excel in life must be punished, because a tiny fraction of humans are incapable of success and entirely unable to excel.

Now, let the wailing&gnashing; of teeth commence! Lets us see if any of you leftarded fucking morons can even compose a coherent sentence in defense of destroying 99% of the population in order to raise the “self esteem” of your 1%.

Enforced, extended childhood is destructive.

Which was a lot of the reason Dewey and Roosevelt starting the public schools, and redefining childhood up. And it’s the reason Dems want manditory college and manditory “volunteerism”, constantly defining up the age of childhood. Until we’re talking about 40 year old children…2 years away from retirement.

Infantalize the populous and you can pass anything you want.

eddie: Adultism is the arrogant belief that young people are smarter than experienced adults. Dig yourself.

How many pills do you have to pop before you believe the insane dribble you spew each day?

Look in the mirror and ask that ? Rez.

You are not lazy because you are young, you are lazy simply because you are inferior. Clear the shit out of your head and you just might get over yourself and be someone someday.

You’ll never get unanimous opinions from a group of economists. I can find even more economists who think the conservative agenda was a disaster.

We wouldn’t be talking about what direction is the right one to rescue us if the conservative agenda hadn’t failed so miserably.

You’ll never get unanimous opinions from a group of economists.

The truth does not require either unanimity or consensus; it just needs to be true. Since little dino knows nothing about economics, he is unable to separate the wheat from the chaff, and so just parrots his commie lies.
Fiscal conservatism(living within your means) always works, every time it’s put into practice.

And that minimum wage increase is going to hit several other small businesses too,Dont be fooled,unemployement will hit 11 to 12 percent in the next year.

Eddie:

My argument holds, despite your ageism. A year in the workforce is work experience. Employers want an employee who’s held a job before, therefore, logically speaking, it should be easier for me to get a job than somebody with no work experience. This isn’t the case.

Oooh, predictably dismissive with a big word. I love when people use words ending in -ism that they don’t actually understand because it was practically yesterday that they were worrying about getting laid for the first time.

“Employers want an employee who’s held a job before,”

No, they want someone who gives them the impression they will actually show up, follow orders, and do the job with as close to zero disruption and maximum efficiency and output as possible.

The world is full of people who have held jobs before but are walking warning alarms for the hiring manager’s spider sense as it were.

“therefore, logically speaking, it should be easier for me to get a job than somebody with no work experience.”

Simple logic generally not worthy of rebuttal but we’ll work with you here.

Refer back to what I said above.

Even if they wanted someone with work experience you must consider what experience is considered to be by the one doing the hiring. Is it the attitude, the carriage of the person, or simple numbers on paper?

I’ve been working since I was six years old. What matters is if I give them that impression.

“This isn’t the case.”

A thousand years of work cannot change the outward impression that you’ve never changed under the effect of it if you will not give that affectation to it.

Eddie:

However, don’t tell me that because I’m underage, I’m not capable of working as hard as an adult, in a field in which I am equally qualified.

If he won’t, I will.

What was it that made you so full of yourself? Getting all the exams right without studying? Correcting the teachers in their subject matter? The IQ tests?

I had to be harassed for an entire day to score as low as 167 and attended gifted classes and even founded one. It doesn’t change anything unless you understand their mentality. The people you look down on rule this world and their social structures and their sensibilities and their instincts rule the day, not yours.

It doesn’t matter how smart you are if you can’t pass for one of them.

That’s why you’re having problems.

I know, you’ll have all sorts of rebuttals and all that crap and will be in your late twenties still saying the job market was impossible and it wasn’t your fault.

Or you can learn and accept why so many of the world’s movers and shakers are almost textbook sociopaths.

Spartacus:

I’m curious, in what fields are teens equally qualified to work as adults?

If they are female, porn.

Eddie:

When did being confident in your work ethic become being full of yourself? Nice-straw man though. I never brought up my education or my success in school. Nice straw-man though. Back on topic:

Eddie:

Where did I ever stake the claim that I’m smarter than those around me? Or are you assuming, because it’s easier to pass me off as an ignorant little kid if you smear me with a purported elitist attitude?

It’s you affectations Eddie.

You look down on everyone else and tell yourself that you’re not doing so because the if you accepted that you did, you’d feel the need to prove to yourself a right to that attitude based on the old yardstick society has yet implied to you at your age, which is success which you’ve already admitted eludes you yet.

So you accept what is before you hoping to find the little weakness that will allow your intellect purchase and to finally come out on top, giving you the success you think you desire.

In doing so, you internalize the superficial affectations of others, such as repeating statements as if you’re hearing yourself speak them in your head, and using lines you’ve heard others make such as the repetitive “straw man” phrase, and R108′s pet word “smear”.

You think you’re paying attention so that you will ultimately get to the front of the pack and lead the moment, but in reality all you’re doing is displaying a deep internalization of what you’ve taken from that interface between the individual and society, the realm of deduction and implication, which men sometimes call learning, and you’ve really learned to be like everyone else.

That is what everyone deep down really wants after all. They all want to belong and be part of the group. Yet they want their individuality and they want to be in charge. Ultimately, they don’t get to be in charge, their individuality is nothing more than the group reflected from themselves, and they gain attachment and social place by what is in their minds surrender to conformity and they never really do get past the usual stages of shock, anger and denial and jump past acceptance.

Neither wil you unless you give up right now.

You won’t though.

Eddie:

The job market is shit, no question about it, but the point where you begin to deceive is where you make the assumption that I’m blaming some sort of failure on my part on the job market. I never claimed that there was some failure on my part to secure a job. On top of that, I’m college bound, and set on entrepreneurship. If I fail to succeed,it’s nobody’s fault but mine, and that’s just the way I like it.

I’ve got a job, and I work damn hard at it, and y’know why? Because if I don’t, there’s a string of unemployed people my age who would love to be doing the shit work I do.[/quit]

I produce an image, you respond, you attempt anticipation, and you feint to the wrong direction.

We’ll see how long and well you can maintain that alleged attitude, but seeing what you’ve said so far, I don’t believe that you believe it for one second, only that you believe naively that I did.

I’ll give you this. Niether Jung nor Skinner nor Freud are entirely to blame or to explain but as with other humans so full of their own needs they centered on an element as the entirety of the truth. From every point of view the entirety can be seen but the entirety is not contained within any of the points of view. Didn’t you ever read A Wrinkle in Time?