Obamacare Will Bankrupt the Health Care Industry

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One thing that hasn’t been reported on is just how much of a fantasy the costs are that are being assumed as the Democrats push through the Health Care Takeover.
The Democrats are planning that they will pay the providers the same rates plus five percent that they’re paying for services performed by Medicare.

Rep. Earl Pomeroy, D-N.D., said Wednesday that he will vote against the health care reform bill when it comes before the House Ways and Means Committee Thursday because it would tie the payment schedule for a new public option insurance plan to existing Medicare payments.
Hospitals and other health care providers in North Dakota are seriously under-reimbursed by Medicare, he said, and “there is no way we would sustain existing levels of care,” including access to hospitals and specialists, with a public insurance option linked to Medicare payment schedules.
Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota pays providers at about 150 percent of Medicare rates, Pomeroy said, and the insurance giant has estimated that a third of its business moving to a public option would result in an annual hit of $131 million to hospitals and the rest of the state’s health care industry.

Medicare is not paying what it costs to provide the services that seniors need. Right now the providers are shifting the cost on people with private plans. While that works for them it’s quite unfair that you and I are paying a tax for seniors while having to overpay for our own coverage.
Of course this is a major reason why the cost of health care has gone up for the working person. Of course that results in less people that can afford to buy coverage which means more uninsurred. The government is creating the problem they want to solve (by making it much worse.)
Let’s figure out how much this change in reimbursements could cost the health care industry. First let’s assume that Medicare and private health plans each have a 50-50 share of patients (and value of care) at a medical facility which has revenues of $100 million. Both Medicare and the private insurers should be paying $50 million apiece. However going by the reimbursement rate given by Congressman Pomeroy we would calculate that Medicare would be paying $40 million and the private insurance would be paying $60 million.
Enter Obama who is going to do his best to eliminate private insurance and get everyone on his public plan. Rather than the private insurer paying $60 million Obama care would only pay $42 million.
That means your hospital, which is probably struggling financially already due to Medicare will be losing $18 million dollars in revenue.
Can everyone say” Layoffs and not being able to find a nurse?” Can everyone say “No money to build expanded facilities so you can’t get into the hospital when you need to?” Can everyone say, “No new up to date lifesaving equipment?” This is evil. This is going to cost lives.
This is going to be terrible for people on Medicare and private insurance both. We’re all going to suffer so that Obama can be the man that “made everyone healthy.”
Now you can see why they had to slip in that provision that while people on a plan don’t have to leave it (while it exists) that the private plans can’t sign up anyone new. If this came about health care providers all over the country would be opting out of the public plans. They’d exist to give care to people willing to pay what it costs. (And really if we were only paying that and not subsidizing Medicare it would be cheaper for us.)
The two tiered system would show just how bankrupt the national health care plan. The same reasons are evident in the fact that no state has been successful in setting up a viable state run health care plan. There is plenty of will in a number of states to do just that. However public health just doesn’t work. It doesn’t work well for Medicare (needing to tax everyone and still can’t pay it’s way), the Indian Health Service or any state wide programs where it’s been tried.
The problem with Health Care is too much government. Let the people buy the coverage they want and the problems will go away for all that care about their health.

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  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    You mean like he’s bankrupting the entire country? It’s what he does.

    Good point. I really think Obama IS that dumb and doesn’t realize that there isn’t a magic pot of money out there.

  • wayne

    Dr. James David Manning proposes a great healthcare plan
    (you are going love this guy)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iO-lwamKgc

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    As to subsidies for COBRA, isn’t that ridiculous? wink

    Well it is very expensive. I have less of a problem helping someone who was legitimately laid off than someone who never bothered getting a job or is here illegally.

    On the other hand, I have a relatic who lost their job (because of their fault) and announced that they’re taking the summer off. Sleeps past noon and complains that they have no money.

    TFB.

  • robert108

    You mean like he’s bankrupting the entire country? It’s what he does.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    1) You’re old employer can only charge you what it costs him to provide the insurance PLUS 2%. It may be expensive but it’s not overpriced.

    Just recently I believe the Dems have added in a Cobra subsidy for people that can’t afford it. I’m not wild about it, but it does fix some problems.

    2) If you have insurance you can switch to another plan without losing anything. You aren’t tied to a job with their insurance.

    3) I agree we need reform here.

    4) This is related to #2. However if you have coverage at one group plan and move to another you don’t have to worry about preexisting coverage.

    The Preexisting thing is necessary because without it people would go without and only buy insurance AFTER they get sick. The insurance market wouldn’t work.

    Now if you’re talking about someone with say high blood pressure having to struggle to find insurance OR pay an higher premium that’s a problem without a good answer. If you have health risks (whether they are self imposed or not) how much should someone healthier have to subsidize your insurance. I don’t think someone 21 years old should be paying the same rate as a 65 year old, for example.

    All insurance is about spreading out the risk though. I think some kind of compromise between the parties can be reached. One thing that would help a lot is to rely more on catestrophic coverage (say over $5000 or $100000.) The 21 year old would rarely get into that at all, whereas the older person would expect more out of pocket.

    5) Patch ‘em up and ship ‘em home.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Obama being POTUS will bankrupt the entire Nation. BUT I believe that is the idea behind Commie Socialism. The more people demand from Big Gov creates corruption and dependance. That feeling of entitlement of Healthcare, housing, cel phones, etc and the idea that these things are Rights and not a Responsibility is what the Obamites and Dems believe they want. Someday when unemployment has sky rocketed and corporations move over seas and inflation is out of sight and small businesses have gone from main street people will take the blinders off and they will see how wrong they have been?

  • tim

    So what is your alternate proposal?

    Scrap all government involvement in health care, and leave health care strictly up to private for-profit health insurance plans, whose goal is to delay and deny coverage for contracted services when ever feasible? (Remember the reason businesses are in business is to make a profit, and you can’t do that if you continually pay out claims.)

    And if you can’t afford health insurance or health care, and get sick e.g. contract cancer, you should start getting your affairs in order and just plan on dying? (I think they call that compassionate conservatism.)

    Or just maintain the status quo, and continuing to burden US business with the health care responsibility, so they become less competitive with businesses around the world, who aren’t burdened with that responsibility, forcing them to either shut down or move operations overseas, creating a never ending spiral, until no one can afford health care in the US.

    What seems to have been lost in translation, and what Obama and his administration have done a poor job of explaining, is the difference between what government would be spending on health care, under the reforms he is proposing, and what we, i.e. individuals, businesses and government, are already spending on health care.

    What the US is spending on health care (% of GDP) won’t change under any plan presented now, but it will shift more of the burden on to the government, in order to cover the millions of uninsured, and away from those (individuals & businesses) who pay inflated health insurance premiums and health care costs to cover all the uncompensated care.

    So yeah your taxes may go up, but your health insurance premiums will go down, benefitting individuals who pay for their own health care/insurance, or for the businesses that provide insurance to their employees, making those businesses more competitive and profitable, and enabling them to expand, and hire more employees.

    It will mostly benefit the health care providers, who will no longer have to provide uncompensated care providing a more predictable income stream, which will enable them to hire more doctors and nurses, and purchase better diagnostic equipment, greatly improving the quality of care.

    It will also help reduce costs, because health care providers will no longer have to encourage unnecessary tests, and procedures in order to cover the uncompensated care, further improving the quality of care in the US.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    (Remember the reason businesses are in business is to make a profit, and you can’t do that if you continually pay out claims.)

    My health insurance company is a non-profit who compete against for profit health insurance companies.

    And if you can’t afford health insurance or health care, and get sick e.g. contract cancer, you should start getting your affairs in order and just plan on dying?

    I would say you should make provisions and plans for your care. That being said if a person is unable to work (and doesn’t NOT want to work) then there are already programs for that.

    What the US is spending on health care (% of GDP) won’t change under any plan presented now, but it will shift more of the burden on to the government, in order to cover the millions of uninsured, and away from those (individuals & businesses)

    Right because if we GIVE it away we won’t have more people coming to use it. In fact Obama plans on giving it to illegal aliens so we can count on getting even more of them in here for nose jobs and the like.

    As if these businesses aren’t going to be paying higher and higher taxes to cover people that don’t work for them. The current plan on the table is basically instituting a small business tax on the owners so they pay more. Of course Obama hates small businesses so that’s ok.

    who pay inflated health insurance premiums and health care costs to cover all the uncompensated care.

    A problem caused by a government mandate.

    So yeah your taxes may go up, but your health insurance premiums will go down, benefitting individuals who pay for their own health care/insurance, or for the businesses that provide insurance to their employees,

    First of all the quality of care will nosedive due to government controls. It happens in all nationalized plans.

    I greatly doubt that businesses are going to gain from government takeover of the health care industry. More likely they’ll be hit harder and harder with taxes.

    It will mostly benefit the health care providers, who will no longer have to provide uncompensated care providing a more predictable income stream, which will enable them to hire more doctors and nurses, and purchase better diagnostic equipment, greatly improving the quality of care.

    Fantasy. I just showed how price controls are going to bankrupt health care providers who are going to have NO money to expand for need or buy new machines. You don’t have to believe me. Check out other countries who have communized their health care systems. They fall behind us in every measure.

    It will also help reduce costs, because health care providers will no longer have to encourage unnecessary tests, and procedures in order to cover the uncompensated care

    You seem worried about uncompensated care. If a person doesn’t care about their health enough to make plans to protect it, why should we make enormous sacrifices to give him cutting edge care?

    That doesn’t mean people that aren’t able to work. That means people who aren’t willing or have other priorities.

    We have the greatest health care system in the world. Obama wants to take it over and wreck it.

  • http://Verizon.com/ ND in MD

    “…and get sick e.g. contract cancer, you should start getting your affairs in order and just plan on dying? (I think they call that compassionate conservatism…”

    Well, Tim, under Obummer’s government rationed healthcare that is precisely what will happen if some government clerk decides the cost to cure you exceeds what they want to pay or if you are too sick to spend money on. According too Obummer Care, if Grandma contracts cancer and since she is old will dies within the next few year anyway, the greedy goverment will not pay for her treatment. All her working life Grandma probably paid all types of taxes to various governemnts and when she is old and get sick, they want to get rid of her – Probably because she doesn’t work anymore and doesn’t pay taxes. This is how Obama, leftwinger and liberal Democrats define compasion, is that how you do?

  • http://www.rabidamerican.net/ Rabid American

    These actions by the Marxists are SUPPOSED TO BANKRUPT HEALTH CARE!

    It is a staged, over emphasized, issue to coerce the people to demand that “Someone Do Something”!

    The trap was set by government bureaucracy, hyped by the pacifist media, and sold to the sheep as an impending tragedy….. to allow the government to take over another American industry.

    THIS ISSUE IS NOT BEING PURSUED OUT OF BENEVOLENCE!

    Ya wanna “fix” health care coverage?

    (1) Kill COBRA – It’s overpriced and ineffective; If you lose your job, how the #$%% can you afford COBRA?

    (2) Require portability – Stop enslaving an employee by virtue of health insurance

    (3) Tort Reform – Weed out the ambulance chasers and get the lawyers off of the backs of the doctors

    (4) Remove denial of coverage due to “preexisting conditions”

    (5) ENSURE ILLEGAL ALIENS CAN ONLY GET EMERGENCY CARE! If they show up in emergency rooms with a general non-life-threatening health issue band-aid, aspirin, and DEPORT THEM!

    These action items would do more toward making health care more affordable, available, and more manageable than the water-head that this regime is attempting to shove up our bank-account…..

  • http://www.rabidamerican.net/ Rabid American

    Whistler,

    Thanks for the follow-up!

    Well put expansions on my thoughts!

    As to subsidies for COBRA, isn’t that ridiculous? ;-)

    It’s an acknowledgment of the extreme over pricing for COBRA eligible people.

    We should have some REAL governmental review, but we know that this issue is not about “helping” anyone except the politicians and special-interests.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    One reason why private health care is so expensive is because of the way government distorts the market. When you pay your bill, you aren’t just paying for your care. You’re also partially paying for those getting Medicare and Medicaid.

    And your high prescription costs are subsidizing the lower, government-mandated costs in places like Canada and Great Britain.

    If the government would do less on health care we’d be better off. The problem is convincing the politicians that they aren’t the solution.

    Most of them don’t have the modesty for that.

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