As a federal Senator from Illinois there is no reason that he should be calling for his resignation. Even as a President he shouldn’t be calling on his resignation.

It would really be a violation of Federalism.

In the past, people merely accused of a crime were forced to at least take leaves of absence until their trial. Yes, this person should be and IS innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

BTW
A bleeding-heart judge let kwame take off his tracking anklet.
A new judge just ruled that he HAS to wear the tether.
Evidently,they’re thinking this guy doesn’t respect the Law enough to be on personal recog.
Is this judge racist for wanting Justice served?
Or is it racist wanting him to wear a tracking collar?

So now nutters think it’s ok for a national political figure to comment on an ongoing trial?

My friends, that’s not a flip flop we can believe in.

I agree with RZ.

Fine, if there’s such a difference between French whites and American whites, let’s take a look somewhere a little more American.

It doesn’t get much more American than New-York does it?

Hundreds of Borough Park residents rushed the 66th precinct station house chanting “No justice, no peace” to protest what witnesses say was the rough treatment of a…business-owner by police.
Two garbage fires were set during the melee, which stretched for several blocks and closed numerous streets. Police, however, were able to contain the crowd by 9:30 p.m. and no injuries were reported.
Police sources say the protest was sparked after officers approached 75-year-old…who was talking on his cell phone while double-parked in front of his family-owned bakery on 16th Avenue at around 6:30 p.m.
When police attempted to handcuff Schick, two other men tried to step in. A crowd then formed, and the scene quickly grew unruly.
Protesters threw garbage and hundreds of residents blocked the street around Bakery.

They set fire to old magazines, fruit boxes and other trash up and down the avenue.
Firefighters raced to put out at least seven blazes and water down the streets.
Demonstrators smashed the windows of one police cruiser and torched another by throwing a gasoline-soaked rag into its backseat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/nyregion/05protest.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Now, let me make sure you’ve taken note of something. This wasn’t some rowdy bunch of skinhead freaks. These weren’t punk-rock protesters “sticking it to the man”

These were Orthodox Hasidic Jews! Like, like, like

Like Matisyahu Jewish! And they were rioting because of a routine arrest!

How’s that for white Americans rioting over law enforcement?

“If he condemns his actions he is declaring him guilty without a trial.

Is that the American way?”
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Some things don’t need a lengthy trial.
But, the brothers will stick together, right?
Remember marion barry?

I agree with RZ

…. let me write that down…

I won’t move the goalpost as you have bolstered your angle well.
However, I was more into the call for riots, ala Cali style.
The leaders on the tv warning of chaos in the streets if they don’t get their way.
Perhaps another debate for another day.

It’s not a race issue, and I resent you trying to implicate that. Kwame, while holding a strong disapproval rating in the southeast Michigan area, still has a very strong voterbase in Detroit, a voter base very likely to vote for the candidate who gets on well with Kwame.

Yet, when the governor talked about removing him, the mostly black council told her “they didn’t want some white lady removing their black governor”. He is largely in power because of the black constiuency.

The largest unified group of Pastors in Detroit (all black, might I add) has called for Kwame to resign for the good of the city.

Except…they didn’t. This group of pastors came out and STRONGLY said…he should consider it. That’s it? Consider it? You’re kidding. What a joke.

Your racially inflammatory remarks don’t have a place in level-headed discussion.

You linked rising crime to race riots. And you didn’t link to the hispanic one.

Like Matisyahu Jewish! And they were rioting because of a routine arrest!
How’s that for white Americans rioting over law enforcement?

Except they weren’t rioting over a traffic stop. They were rioting over perceived police brutality. They were mad because the police supposedly threw an elderly man down and slamming him into his car after pulling him over.

Bud, you have completely misrepresented some of your links, and it’s hard to take you seriously afterwards.

However, I think it’s a little alarmist to imply that blacks will rise up in the streets at every opportunity to chuck some bottles.

But that’s not what he’s saying. While I won’t deny the propensity to violence in the (illegal) Hispanic community, the idea that rioting is a right IS uniquely black. The calls to violence from the black pulpit are not as rare as many of us would like to pretend. And there is no other community in America that pretends that getting prosecuted for a crime is a racist plot against them.

I think honestly, the unifying factor in most cases is socioeconomic status. Race, may play a part in some of it, but I mean, what do the wealthiest African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans and other minorities in the country have to riot about? They’re treated well because of their affluent status, and have no need to riot.

It’s a culture of victimhood. “You are being held down, and will never get ahead because of the white man.” You’re getting it backwards. It’s not that blacks buy into that perception because theyre poor. It’s that blacks who buy into that perception make themselves poor. My cousins cam home one day spouting that bullshit that they couldn’t make it. And my uncle slapped the stupid out of both of their mouths. “I didn’t bust my ass for you little ungrateful n-s to say how bad you got it. You have a roof over your head that we OWN, you have good food, homemade, on the table every night. You may not always like it, but you always have it. You have nice clothes on your backs. We let you hang out with your retarded little friends. I didn’t get here by whining. I busted my ass and got what I worked for. I have white friends, white family, and your mom is white. You determine where you get in life. Not some faceless “white man”.” The cousin who listened got ahead in life (til he got divorced). The one who told my uncle he was a house n— now has 5 kids by 4 different women and is constantly broke.

Granted, there are people of every race who are lazy. But if you’re white and you don’t make it, no one pretends that you have some faceless entity keeping you down.

Yet, when the governor talked about removing him, the mostly black council told her “they didn’t want some white lady removing their black governor”. He is largely in power because of the black constiuency.

I never once said Kilpatrick’s relationship with his constituents wasn’t racially charged. I said Obama’s failure to condemn Kilpatrick wasn’t racially charged. I see the tie to be far more political than racial.

Except…they didn’t. This group of pastors came out and STRONGLY said…he should consider it. That’s it? Consider it? You’re kidding. What a joke.

It was politically correct, but the intent is clear. They want Kwame gone. I could mince words as much as they do, but does that consequentially put me on the high ground? If they didn’t want him out, they’d stay quiet like the rest of Detroit. Do you have any idea the balls it takes to come out against Kilpatrick and his constituents?

You linked rising crime to race riots. And you didn’t link to the hispanic one.

Not race riots in the traditional sense. There was no direct oppressor/aggressor relationship in any of my examples, but if you’re saying that they were committed by people of a unifying race or culture, then yes, they were all race riots. That was the point. You responded to my accusation of RebTex making negative comments about an entire race of people, I don’t see how my comments are in the same league.

Sorry for not posting the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C._riot_of_1991

My research provided me with the incorrect date. It was 91, not this year. There’s an entire article on a hispanic riot.

Except they weren’t rioting over a traffic stop. They were rioting over perceived police brutality. They were mad because the police supposedly threw an elderly man down and slamming him into his car after pulling him over.

“Perceived” is the operative word there Kenny.

Many African Americans in Detroit believe fully the lies Kwame has spun for them. They’re not angry because he did something wrong. They’re angry because they feel like a black man is being treated unfairly in the justice system.

On to the Hasidic riots in New-York, perception is still everything. Nobody stopped to ask a law-enforcement officer for details, nobody called an official channel to raise a legitimate concern. People let mob psychology and a percieved racial threat guide their actions.

They began rioting on a handful of men’s misinterpreted situation, and the hearsay that ensued. It’s no different than the race riots of certain parts of America in the 60s. A misunderstanding in a California drunk and disorderly arrest lead to massive city-wide race riots that culminated in the deployment of the National Guard.

Bud, you have completely misrepresented some of your links, and it’s hard to take you seriously afterwards.

My intent isn’t to misrepresent. I’m making an educated statement based on the information and life-experiences presented to me. I don’t have a bone to pick with RebTex, and quite frankly, don’t have a bone to pick with you either. I would like to know where you feel I’ve misconstrued the situations I presented to you.

I think honestly, the unifying factor in most cases is socioeconomic status. Race, may play a part in some of it, but I mean, what do the wealthiest African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans and other minorities in the country have to riot about? They’re treated well because of their affluent status, and have no need to riot.

It’s Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. If a person feels they are all met satisfactorily, there’s not much to spaz out about.

Apologies for the run-on posts. I’m posting as I develop my rebuttal.

I never once said Kilpatrick’s relationship with his constituents wasn’t racially charged. I said Obama’s failure to condemn Kilpatrick wasn’t racially charged. I see the tie to be far more political than racial.

Ah, I misunderstood you. However, I still feel you’re wrong. I just don’t think he’ll be stupid enough to say “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community” again.

It was politically correct, but the intent is clear. They want Kwame gone. I could mince words as much as they do, but does that consequentially put me on the high ground? If they didn’t want him out, they’d stay quiet like the rest of Detroit. Do you have any idea the balls it takes to come out against Kilpatrick and his constituents?

Though the way they said it also shows that they’re not happy about it. They don’t really want him gone, but he IS hurting the party. It’s kind of an Old Yeller situation. No one really wants to do it, but it’s becoming quite clear it has to be done. It’s hard to pretend that these people who have, by their own words, stood by him through everything, are doing the right thing here. He’s killing the party and he’s killing all their little pet projects.

Do you realize how bad things are that these guys are coming out against him?

You responded to my accusation of RebTex making negative comments about an entire race of people, I don’t see how my comments are in the same league.

Well, linking rising crime on reservations to race riots is insane in my mind. Standing by that is further out there.

On to the Hasidic riots in New-York, perception is still everything. Nobody stopped to ask a law-enforcement officer for details, nobody called an official channel to raise a legitimate concern. People let mob psychology and a percieved racial threat guide their actions.

There was no perceived racial threat though. Those who protested were all from the same neighborhood. They knew each other. They were protesting the mistreatment of a man they all knew. Whether or not it went down like the men said…we’ll never know. That’s he said, she said. However, there were multiple witnesses (two of whom got arrested, who corroborated the story. The police never denied it. But in all accounts, this was simply a protest. They burned cardboard in two bonfires. And SOMEONE set a police car on fire. To say this was a riot is ridiculous. Bonfires are a riot? THIS is why I said you’re being dishonest. When asked by the riot control to disperse…they did. It was hardly some violent looting spree. Claiming this was a riot is no different than calling rough sex rape.