Obama Will “Rescue” This Economy No Matter How Much Further In Debt It Puts The Government

Obama’s been trying to pose himself as a fiscally conservative leader, but his true tax-and-spend identity is starting to bleed through as he claims that a government “rescue” of the economy (as if any such thing were even possible) is more important than budget deficits or the federal debt.

CHICAGO – The economy growing weaker, President-elect Barack Obama said Tuesday that recovery efforts will trump deficit concerns when he takes office in January. Yet he pledged a “page-by-page, line-by-line” budget review to root out unneeded spending.
The president-elect set no goals for reducing the federal deficit — now in record territory and headed ever higher — an obvious contrast to Monday’s announcement that he hopes to create a recession-busting 2.5 million jobs by 2010.
He spoke as he appointed Peter Orszag, currently head of the Congressional Budget Office, to be his own budget director.

Let’s remember our Reagan: Government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem.
Increasing government spending in a vain attempt to create jobs a la a resurrection of New Deal-esque policies (it didn’t work then either) without worrying about what that spending will do to budget deficits and the national debt is madness. Not only is government spending a terribly ineffectual way to create jobs (every government job is a burden on the taxpayers who actually produce things in the economy), it runs directly counter to the sort of policies that would actually create a lot of jobs and foment long-term economic stimulus.
Namely, lowering the tax burden and simplifying the tax code.
Rather than keeping tax burdens high, and the tax code needlessly complicated, we should reduce taxes and simplify the tax code so that businesses can focus the resources those things currently use up on expanding, hiring and turning profits.

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  • http://Array atease

    Be a man, not the weasel you people usually are. Take some responsibility for your side’s mismanagement and corrupt ineptness.

    On this, we agree. The fools on both sides of the isle have let the people of this country down and sold us out.

    atease

  • robert108

    Since I already know the truth, none of your ignorant bullshit makes any difference. You are just another arrogant, ignorant, lying leftie.

  • robert108

    SS is not an albatross. It and Medicare have reduced old age poverty from 80% to 20% in just a couple generations. The War on Poverty was never meant to eradicate poverty, we need poverty in a capitalist culture so that some can have billions more than they need. it did alleviate suffering for
    millions, setting a floor of support and helping millions move up the economic hierarchy.

    My apologies; I called you a moron, but you are really an idiot. SS is headed for bankruptcy because, as a pyramid scheme, it cannot sustain itself with smaller generations. This has been known since the Sixties, but you are too ignorant to know that.
    Your lie that it had any effect on poverty is simply a lie; the same money that the greedy govt has stolen from the earners, if invested modestly, would return roughly twice as much as the SS boondoggle, without draining the taxpayers. SS returns about 1.6%, while a modest investment yields at least 3-4%. Do the math, if you can.
    Only socialism requires a permanent underclass; it’s called “the proletariat”. Read your Marx, idiot, and find out how “the proletariat” gets treated.
    Another lie: The War on Poverty was specifically designed by LBJ to eliminate poverty; he said so publicly, so you again show your total ignorance.
    Govt programs never help anyone “move up”; only the free enterprise system can do that. Instead, like the way Dem welfare schemes ruined the inner cities, all your greedy govt programs do is to make everyone equally dependent on govt.
    You still have no idea what you are talking about.

  • Dino

    Social spending has gone nowhere except for the prescription drug benefit the republicans passed under extrordinary circumstances to win over the old folks. It is a disaster like all republican policies.

    If you read the links I posted you would have seen clear proof that the Community Reinvestment Act passed under Carter had nothing to do with the subprime mess. but I suspect you don’t know how to read much beyond posts by your fellow farm animals.

    I do find it HILARIOUS that you people are now reaching back to CARTER in your feeble attempts to deflect blame for what was cleartly the republicans’ fault. Like the last 30 years of republican dominance was all a dream.

    More like a nightmare. A nightmare that I’m glad your children will be living through as punishment for your ignorance.

    Now Robert, here’s your assignment. Go bakc, click on the linnks in my post and read them. If that’s too hard, find a nice liberal to read them to you.

    Then come back and try and debate in some semblance of intelligence.

  • robert108

    Nobody needs to be “bailed out”. What we are experiencing now is the consequence of bad govt economic and energy policies dating back to FDR. The mistaken idea that govt can, and should, be a player in the economy is the error, and until that is corrected, and the economy is turned back to the people who actually create wealth(the private sector), things will not improve. Until Obamunism is put to rest, it would be insane to participate in anything other than a cash economy, since the govt will manipulate the price of everything.
    This “bailout” is simply nationalization of our economy, with the inevitable stagnation and govt rationing that results.
    It’s time to clean house in DC in the next election, and get some real Americans in there, instead of the Eurosocialists we have there now.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    HJe was not only stupid, he was evil. A man much like bush who divided he people and did nothing but create resentment among the mouthbreathers.

    Yea, you’re a moron who will be ignored from here on out.

  • robert108

    By the way, exactly how do you regulate the world wide credit/derivatives market anyway?

    You have to kill the root by eliminating the affirmative action home loan mandates. I can’t believe they still haven’t done that. Had they done that first, the finance market would be in recovery already, without the “bailouts”(nationalization). Nothing is so expensive as economic ignorance.

  • Spartacus

    How about starting out slow, raise taxes only on those in favor of tax increases to begin with, if there’s a loud squealing noise stop immediately.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thekingscourt4u Gman

    We liberals live in shopping carts and elect leaders who will give me your money.

    FINALLY,

    Damned if I kNOw WRITES SOMETHING TRUE, EVEN IF IT IS IN A SATIRICAL VAIN.

  • T1M3K1LL3R

    Congress is the problem and at this point in time they have never been more dangerous no matter how bad things get the will still have the same living standards. That sets them apart from you and me regardless of your income the decisions they will soon be making and are making do not effect them which makes them ok in there eyes. Its going to get a lot worse then this and inflation will soon be catching up with us.

    Kongress ist das Problem und an diesem Zeitpunkt sie sind nie gefährlicher gewesen, egal wie schlechte Dinge das stille erhalten, wird die gleichen Lebensstandards haben. Das setzt sie außer Ihnen und mir ohne Rücksicht auf Ihr Einkommen die Entscheidungen die sie bald werden machen und machen sie, die sie macht, in dort Augen nicht bewirkt zustimmen. Seines geht zu erhält viel schlimmer dann dieses und Inflation bald werden einholen mit uns.

    Le congrès est le problème et à ce point dans le temps qu’ils n’ont jamais été de plus dangereux n’importe comment mauvaises chose obtiennent le calme aura les mêmes normes vivantes. Cela les règle en dehors des nous sans tenir compte de votre revenu les décisions ils feront bientôt et font n’effectuent pas les qui les font bien dans là les yeux. Son aller obtenir beaucoup pire alors ceci et l’inflation nous rattrapera bientôt.

    Congreso es el problema y en este punto en tiempo ellos nunca han sido más peligrosos por malo que cosas consigan el quieto tendrá el mismo nivel de vida. Eso los pone aparte de usted y mí a pesar de sus ingresos las decisiones ellos pronto estarán haciendo y haciendo no los realiza que hace ellos aprueban ahí adentro ojos. Su ir a consigue mucho peor entonces este y la inflación pronto nos estará alcanzando.

  • Spartacus

    ^ or panic and gun it, tax the snot out of the noise makers!

  • Dino

    Yes HG, you want the freedom to not pay your bills is what you want. You want a voluntary tax code so that the country can run on air. You know why? Because if they didn’t TAKE IT from you, you wouldn’t pay. In fact, none of the conservatives would pay.

    See, you people are like the guy who eats out with the group, orders the most expensive meal, has the most drinks and then hides in the bathroom until the check gets paid. I NEVER tire of using that one!

    But when you need help, WHOA! You’re the first in line and are filling your pockets taking your share and that of several others. It’s some sort of character (or lack of character) flaw. You people have never left that phase of childhood where everything you see you scream, “MINE!”

    Tell you what, HG. Go to your mortgage holder and tell them you want to voluntarily pay when and how you feel like it. (That might be bad example seeing as how so many shallow republicans are actually defaulting!) Go to the utility companies and tell them you’ll pay when you get good and ready. Stop off at the grocery store and walk out without paying telling them you just want to keep more fo whata you earn.

    YOU PEOPLE ARE DEADBEATS. You HATE PAYING FOR THE THINGS YOU USE.

    And before you pull the typical brainstem line about 99% of your taxes going to “welfare”, remember the earlier lessons from me where I told you to STFU ABOUT WELFARE. ALMOST NOTHING GOES TO WELFARE. LOOK IT UP, BRAINSTEMS.

    Now run along. You have some studying to do.

  • Dino

    Robert108,

    Some links to show you how you and your insane brethren of conservatives are chasing your tail in trying to blame the poor and the liberal for what was the fault of the greedy, rich, white and republican. Not that you’ll read them. You’re all too wrapped up in your little fantasy that liberals with no power whatsoever, created this mess. If these prove too challenging because Sean didn’t read them to you, take a course in reading comprehension.

    The definitive article on the CRA and why conservatives are deluded:

    Subprime Suspects

    More for your enjoyment:

    Edward Lotterman: Don’t believe the myth about the fiscal mess

    See if you can comprehend this one:
    Most subprime lenders weren’t subject to federal lending law

    This one might make your head explode:

    Misunderstanding Credit and Housing Crises: Blaming the CRA, GSEs

    This one requires a higher level of understanding. Kind of academic. Get a kind liberal to explain it to you:
    Fannie Freddie data

    And last but not least, the reason why reining in F&F didn’t happen:

    AP IMPACT: Mortgage firm arranged stealth campaign

    Not that it would have mattered. Less than 20% of bad loans had anything to do with F&F. F&F got involved in the mess because they were losing so much “business” to the shysters, most of whom were no doubt republicans out to make a quick buck and skate. but in conservatismland, any way you make a buck is cool as long as you don’t get caught, right?

    You know, most of the defaults and sob stories I saw in the past few years were about people in the middle and upper middle class who thought they needed to be like the top 1%. Overly large, luxurious, gauche lifestyles of the stupid and republican. “Look at me in my fabulous mansion with the great rooms, media rooms, granite counter tops, cherrywood cabinetry, and 4-car Hummer garage complete with boats and a jet ski for each of the kids! And to think, we only make $80K! I Just LOVE George Bush’s ownership society! Ronald Reagan was right. You CAN have it all!”

  • HG

    Yes HG, you want the freedom to not pay your bills is what you want. You want a voluntary tax code so that the country can run on air. You know why?

    Wow are you off on this one. Not surprising. I have no problem with involuntary or voluntary taxation. Taxes are necessary for government to do its job of securing natural rights. Do you really think that stating such an absurdity would work?

    Now let’s try this a fourth time Dino. Who does your wages belong to?

  • robert108

    If you read the links I posted you would have seen clear proof that the Community Reinvestment Act passed under Carter had nothing to do with the subprime mess. but I suspect you don’t know how to read much beyond posts by your fellow farm animals.

    I know the truth about economics, so I know your links were a bunch of self-serving lies. Again, moron, you can’t mandate bad business practices, for any reason, and avoid the bad consequences. We got the bill for thirty years of Dem social engineering, period.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thekingscourt4u Gman

    Progress is the opposite of Congress!


    And: Stressed is just Desserts spelled backwards.

    I see a large weight gain coming for many Americans who understand economics.

  • bill-tb

    I can see it now, people will want Bush back in six months.

    Obamunism is a train wreck waiting to happen. The problem with FDR New Deal socialism is the gubbermint make work jobs all have the same ending, the unemployment lines.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    I see we finally have a troll with an honesty in nicknaming standard…

    The touched one should note who the “low information” voters actually went for in the most recent election cycle…

  • robert108

    SS has been headed for bankruptcy since the program was started according to shitstains like you.

    Again, an idiotic statement from you. I clearly stated that it needed ever larger generations to make it work as constituted, and the post Boomer generation doomed it. Try to keep up. It would have been better as a real investment program, of course. Your desperate, angry teen language is noted.

    I’m about done with Robert.

    You never even started. All you do is spew ignorant hatred at those who know more than you do.

  • robert108

    Yeah, that’s what I thought. When faced with proof that Fannie & Freddie weren’t nearly the cause of our economic meltdown, just ignore it.

    I clearly stated that the Dem affirmative action home loan social engineering mandates are the cause. That started with Carter and was increased under Clinton. Learn to read, moron.

    The last 30 years has been dominated by republicans in the setting of the agenda and the conservative economic policies we’ve pursued.

    Another lie from you. In fact, the only “conservative economic policies” we have “followed” are some modest tax rate reductions. The social spending has gone through the roof, which is the Dem way of doing things since FDR, with the predictable results. Social spending is almost totally a waste of money, with high cost and very small benefit.
    You are ignorant and ill-informed, which causes you to say the stupid things you say, and which has led to you being arrogant in your ignorance. You are a fool.

  • GiGi-Louisiana

    I believe that the big 3 automakers DO NOT need bailed out. The American Paople NEED to be biled out!!!! If you take the millions upon millions of dollars that will be given to Ford, GM and Chrystler, and give it to the American People, they will more than likely bail the big 3 out themselves. People will go out and buycars, pay off credit, pay mortgages, credit card debt, etc. All the government thinks of is hlping out the big people. They got themselves into this mess, and just like everyone else in thiscountry, they should file for Bankruptcy, fix the problems, and open back up with the intent on not messing up again. I don’t see the government taking away my credit card debt, or taking away student loans for people who are bettering themselves. WHO CARES ABOUT THE BIG 3? Let them stop making cars right now, sell the ones they have on the lot, and they won’t go further into debt.

    Let me know what you think I want to get a petition and have as many people sign it as possible. We need the money more than they do. They are paying benefits, pension plans, and retirement with the funds they will get from the government. I DO NOT think it is my responsibility to pay for other people’s retirement, because I pay into Social Security and will NEVER see that. Giveme my Social Security and let me help my situation and the economy with the money that I have already had taken out of my checks since I have been working 15 years ago. I know I will do better things with it besides letting the government invest MY money into something that I know NOTHING about.

    Let’s get them money where we need it most!!! In the hands of all American people is where it should go, not to the big companies. The became big, and they can get small, let them eat rocks for a while like the rest of us and see how it feels not to have people just hand you money to fix your situation. Hand us money to fix US!!!

  • I’m touched

    I’m touched, and fascinated, by your sudden change of heart regarding the national debt.

    From 1776-2001, the federal government wracked up 5.5 trillion in debt. It should be noted that during this time, our country fought (and won) two wars for its very existance, a civil war, two world wars (and a cold war), built the Eisenhower Interstate System, tamed the Colorado River, put a man in space and on the moon, brought power to hundreds of thousands of rural communities, laid the infrastructure to the Internet, and had the prestige of being the foremost enlightened nation upholding individual liberties which was admired around the world.

    From 2001 to present, that debt has essentially doubled under this clown from Connecticut. 10 trillion+ in debt, and now we hear a different tune from our host.

    I defy any of you to point to a single contribution made during the last seven years that comes remotely close to what was accomplished in the preceding 225 that was worth the price tag. I’m serious, name one. Did the “Do not call list” cost 5+ trillion?

    Go ahead, blame Pelosi, FDR, some dude who hasn’t been sworn in, whatever.

    Movement conservatism is now a corpse, thanks in part to its very rationale. Hopefully conservatism doesn’t take America with it.

  • atease

    You’re going to long for a lot of things

    One will be to see you and your socialist marxist leaders nothing but a distant memory. But that will come in a few years. I am a patient sonofagun.

    My kids wonder why a democrat was elected. Probably because they were no indoctrinated by our public schools.

    atease

  • Dino

    That’s true. I do hate America. With a passion. But only since the conservative revolution has destroyed it.

    How can we take pride in this cesspool of greed, indifference, shallow materialism and ignorance?

    But let me ask: You self-reliant, bootstraps types really think “the country” has nourished you and housed you? I thought it was all rugged individualism, your own hard work and nothing else? Where do you draw the line between “country” and “government”?

    Bonus Question: Are you insane?

  • HG

    See there Dino, that is what conservatives want. Civil liberty. Freedom. Freedom to do with my wages, earnings, wealth, what I see fit (minus the taxes necessary for government to carry out justice of course).

  • robert108

    Social spending has gone nowhere except for the prescription drug benefit…

    Another ignorant lie from you. FDR’s commie New Deal prolonged the Recession of ’29 into the Great Depression; his “Social Security” pyramid scheme has become a huge financial albatross around all our necks, and Johnson’s “War on Poverty” has stolen trillions from the private sector with no reduction in poverty at all. And again, the Dems being buttbuddies with the environazis since Carter have cost us untold amounts of money by hobbling our energy development.
    You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • Dino

    Buddy, you can blame the republicans for socialism. This bailout is the deathknell for capitalism! Don’t you get it? FREE-MARKET CAPITALISM IS DEAD! The government is buying EVERYTHING and Obama never even took the oath yet! He won’t have to institute communism, your guys ALREADY DID! Can you read the papers?

    LOL, sometimes I wonder how you people remember to breathe.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Rob,

    Love the graphic from the front page on this one.

  • robert108

    The ongoing lie by the lying lefties is that any of this is due to conservatism; it’s due to a lack of conservatism. Equating the Republican Party with conservatism is idiotic. The Dems are Marxists, and the Republicans are populists. The only reason conservatives are mostly Republicans is that we cannot stand the Marxism of the Dem Party and have to settle for the Republican Party. We have had one conservative President, who rescued us from the Carter debacle, and yet these leftie idiots would blame everything on conservatism. FDR did more damage to this country than anyone until the current Obamunist, by taking individually independent Americans and trying to turn us into dependent children.

  • HG

    Dino,

    Look up civil liberty. Here, I’ll do it for you:

    Civil liberty, is the liberty of men in a state of society, or natural liberty, so far only abridged and restrained, as is necessary and expedient for the safety and interest of the society, state or nation. A restraint of natural liberty, not necessary or expedient for the public, is tyranny or oppression. Civil liberty is an exemption from the arbitrary will of others, which exemption is secured by established laws, which restrain every man from injuring or controlling another. Hence the restraints of law are essential to civil liberty.

  • robert108

    You hate government. You people prefer a free-for-all, no rules, no regulations, no one telling you how to make money
    or to not make money.

    Another lie from a lying idiot. The Constitution and founding principles set out a limited govt, formed to serve the people, not your leftie slave version where “the proletariat” are cash cows for the ruling elite.

    What’s the point of government then?

    If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it. Again, read the Constitution; it answers that question, idiot.

  • Dino

    I gotta hand it to you people. Ya got hutzpah to be predicting an Obama train wreck when we’re in the midst of an economic meltdown brought on by decades of republican rule. it’s like you people fell asleep in 1980 and woke up yesterday.

    Here, let me fill you in. Starting around 1980, the republicans took control in what is now known as “the conservative revolution”. they set about cutting taxes (for the rich) and spending like fools, turning taking us from the biggest creditor to the biggest debtor nation. Then they took total control and doubled the debt in only 8 years.

    Throughout the entire 30 years they promoted a culture of greed, debt and shallow, grubby materialism. “You can have it all” was their rallying cry. Just charge it like the republican government did! The people responded accordingly because they all wanted to be just like the rich whose lives were oh-so-much-better what with their McMansions, BMW SUVs, granite countertops and enormous TeeVees!

    In that same 30 years the republicans deregulated the financial markets allowing the creation of exotic financial instruments, turning Wall Street into Vegas! Their motto became “get as much as you can, all that you can and don’t give a second thought to the legality or ethics of how you did it”.

    Now we;re seeing the result. And just how much has it cost us already? Well here, this should give you some perspective.

    If we add in the Citi bailout, the total cost of the bailout now exceeds $4.6165 trillion dollars.

    People have a hard time conceptualizing very large numbers, so let’s give this some context. The current Credit Crisis bailout is now the largest outlay In American history.

    Crunching the inflation adjusted numbers, we find the bailout has cost more than all of these big budget government expenditures — combined:

    • Marshall Plan: Cost: $12.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $115.3 billion
    • Louisiana Purchase: Cost: $15 million, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $217 billion
    • Race to the Moon: Cost: $36.4 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $237 billion
    • S&L Crisis: Cost: $153 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $256 billion
    • Korean War: Cost: $54 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $454 billion
    • The New Deal: Cost: $32 billion (Est), Inflation Adjusted Cost: $500 billion (Est)
    • Invasion of Iraq: Cost: $551b, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $597 billion
    • Vietnam War: Cost: $111 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $698 billion
    • NASA: Cost: $416.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $851.2 billion

    TOTAL: $3.92 trillion

    Yes, folks, the republicans who bragged for decades about how this was a conservative country and that they controlled it all, destroyed the country. Oh sure, they’ll try and weasel out of it spinning wildly to blame Barney Frank or some shit. But the smart people (read “not the republicans”) know who did it.

    Now if I was Obama, I would start Jan 21st with a campaign of demonizing republicans, whipping the people into a vindictive frenzy of hate against anything and everything conservative. Then I’d sit back and watch the carnage.

    Alas, I probably won’t get that. But seeing this country brought to its KNEES for voting republican over my lifetime is well worth it as a consolation prize. Just knowing that republicans will be suffering, that their children face a dim future of rising poverty and South American Style society is enough to make me giddy with joy. If this economic debacle rips the country to pieces it’s simply icing on the cake.

  • Dino

    WHy do you want a giovernment? You hate government. You people prefer a free-for-all, no rules, no regulations, no one telling you how to make money or to not make money.

    What’s the point of government then? To provide a military? You people are simply savages who can’t seem to fit into a modern, civilized culture. That’s the probleme here. Your wholes lives are built around a tantrum that you have to follow rules of cilivized, fair and honest culture. Like I said before, you’re like ham-fisted little toddlers who haven’t been taught yet that shitting in the middle of the kitchen floor during Thanksgiving dinner is not cool.

  • robert108

    There is only one way to create wealth and economic growth in the long term: applying capital to both labor and raw materials in the private sector. In the short term, you can use “pirate economics” like the ones in Somalia or like Obamunism, by plundering wealth from others and redistributing it, but without the private re-investment cycle, that comes to an end fairly soon. If Obama wants results, real results, he will have to follow the conservative, free market agenda. If the US abandons the free enterprise system, the country that implements it will be the next world power.

  • HG

    but I suspect you don’t know how to read much beyond posts by your fellow farm animals

    Careful there with that “farm animal” thing given your defense and appreciation for homosexuality. Some might call that a bit ironic or maybe even hypocrisy.

  • di butler

    Oh boy, the most learned scholar Dinosore is back. You do know he said here that no Republican has ever outsmarted him yet. So, ya’ll just hang it up, he knows all.

  • Dino

    Geezus Whistler, do I have to post all those refutations about Fannie/Freddie again? I will I have to but you wouldn’t read much less understand them.

    But listen to yourself. The democrats, out of power for most of the last 30 years, certainly for the time period of the bubble, 2000-2007, overruled by a republican majority that rammed anything it wanted down democrat throats, were to blame?

    REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED EVERYTHING. They could have done ANYTHING THEY WANTED. THEY DID NOT.

    Be a man, not the weasel you people usually are. Take some responsibility for your side’s mismanagement and corrupt ineptness. You’re like children blaming the bogeyman.

  • T1M3K1LL3R

    Both parties have lost there way and both must fall before we can heal both must fall before they do any more damage to our country. It may already be to late but if we don’t know one else will..

  • HG

    So Gay pride is demonstrated in public nudity, vulgarity, and simulated as well as real homosexual acts?

    Dino,

    Who does your wealth belong to?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Hmmm?

    Reagan. President.

    Congress. Democrats.

    Reagan never did have a Carte Blanche to do what he wanted. US-based Leftards in Congress fought him tooth and nail. It wasn’t until 1994 that good things started to happen.

    The Republicans were able to win a majority in the House in 1994 for the first time in forty years, and then keep that majority in 1996 for the first time since 1928, because we were close students of Reagan.

    and when you think about it, Congress is the one that makes up the budgets, although the President can veto it, but then Congress can override his veto with sufficient votes.

    Congress has the “Power of the Purse.” The Constitution grants Congress the power of the purse. Under Article 1 [section 8], the Congress is given the power to tax and impose tariffs, duties, and other measures to collect revenue for the U.S. Treasury. It is also given the authority to borrow money on credit on behalf of the United States. Article 1 [section 9, clause 7] of the U.S. Constitution, states no money can be appropriated [spent] out of the U.S. Treasury except by Act of Congress. This means that governmental agencies and departments may not spend any money for their operations and programs that Congress has not appropriated nor use any federal money for any purpose that Congress has not expressly authorized.

    Isn’t it like a Leftist to create the damage, then blame someone else?

  • Kidtransport

    Nothing wrong with going back to the root of the problem. Carter/FDR whatever. After all a very pervasive weed Leafy Spurge being less than 2 feet tall can have roots 40 feet deep into the ground. And by the way “spurge” crowds out all other productive plants.

  • Dino

    Once again, brainstems, read the links. Get out more. You’re living in this little echo chamber.

    SS is not an albatross. It and Medicare have reduced old age poverty from 80% to 20% in just a couple generations. The War on Poverty was never meant to eradicate poverty, we need poverty in a capitalist culture so that some can have billions more than they need. it did alleviate suffering for millions, setting a floor of support and helping millions move up the economic hierarchy.

    Using your logic, we should have scrapped capitalism decades ago since 90% of all new capitalist enterprises fail.

    It’s easy to be like a spoiled teen and dismiss all the programs and policies that have benefited you and yours over the years. None of you has any idea what the alternative would look like. You’re so used to Mom & Dad getting their huge health bills covered by Medicare you never experienced the panic of not having it. That’s how the republicans got control of the country. Democrats fell victim to their own success. Stupid, selfish, non-intellectuals like you people started to believe that all the playing field leveling was a product of the free market when in fact, most of you would still be using outdoor plumbing if not for the socialist policies put in place over the last century. Things have deteriorated since we allowed the republicans to institute their backwards policies but being the brainstems that you are, you still hold on to the notions that a tax-free culture will still provide you all the perks of a first rate society.

    Just so you know, poverty is increasing again thanks to the neglect of republican rule. Oh, but that’s right. No matter how much power you wield, no matter how many political offices republicans hold, it’s STILL always someone else’s fault when you FAIL. And FAIL you did. BIG TIME. That’s why you LOST all that power in the last TWO nationwide elections and why you’ll be OUT for generations.

    As for farm animals and homosexuality goes, your wife/girlfriend has sex with you and you’re a (assumedly) man. You have sex with your woman. Is she a farm animal? Are you?
    Remember, all sex is gross unless you’re the one having it. That’s why it’s a private act.

  • HG

    Dino,

    Who does your wealth belong to?

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    How about starting out slow, raise taxes only on those in favor of tax increases to begin with, if there’s a loud squealing noise stop immediately.

    I think it is a great ideal those if favor of raising taxes on the rich and other should be taxed first.

  • I’m touched

    You have been strongly in favor of an administration that has been printing money for its failed policies.

    The simple fact that you ignore the very partisan problem of Republican borrow-and-spend fiscal policies, while simultaneously whinging the unborn policies of a man who will be inheriting a bankrupt government with a broken financial system and decimated manufacturing base comes up pretty short.

    With or without your graph. Wow, yeah, a very slight trend, never even coming close to breaking even. Since your divining a paper thing correlation based on your graph, perhaps you can tell me what happened between 2000 and 2001 that resulted in that blue line dipping below the orange one. I’m at a loss.

    While you’re at it, care to help me figure out what benefits our society has reaped by the Republican policies?

  • Dino

    Inflation was high throughout the 70s, under NIXON/FORD. We had a couple DEEP recessions in the 70s, one in 74 was particularly bad. Carter was elected in 76. Times were not as bad as before him. Unemployment was 7% when Carter left office and rose to 11% in 82, two years into reagan’s first term. Reagan started this ball rolling. You’re seeing the results of all that bad conservatism now. The last 8 years make Reagan look like Roosevelt.

    Hope your kids love you for being a good republican voter. They’re the ones who will suffer for it.

  • Dino

    The Senate was republican for 6 of the 8 Reagan years.

    Reagan was a disaster, a time bomb whose policies finally went off this year.

    HJe was not only stupid, he was evil. A man much like bush who divided he people and did nothing but create resentment among the mouthbreathers.

    Watch for my big Fannie/Freddie ruin-your-day-if-you-can-read post.

  • atease

    flintstone pet, I will only say this once, so pay attention

    they set about cutting taxes (for the rich)

    In 1980 I was a H.S. senior when we elected Reagan. Unemployment was very high and so was inflation. Entering college I had no idea what was about to happen because of the past decade of anti Americanism, the end of V.M., and Nixon. Hostages were held for 444 days in Iran while we sat and watched an idiot of a president fumble away any hope we had of pride with our military laying dead in a rescue attempt. And you want to talk about Reagan cutting taxes?

    What was the outcome of those tax cuts?

    Jobs and income to the federal government. But you know what, you are such an ass, I don’t feel the desire for any further education.

    And by the way, the socialism you desire will do more damage to the future of this country that it will take another 3 generations of conservative leadership to fix what your folks screw up in a few years.

    atease

  • robert108

    Where do you draw the line between “country” and “government”?

    The only govt worth a shit is the one that’s “for the people and by the people”; your leftie version of “people by and for the govt” is pure crap, and is responsible for great damage.
    Your ongoing lie about conservatism, which has only had one President, is ridiculous and ignorant.
    The Constitution and the founding principles have nourished us by providing equal opportunity and the ability to be rewarded for our efforts rather than be doled out a govt allowance, while the ruling elite live high on the taxpayer.
    The only greed and indifference I see is from you totalitarian lefties.
    The Constitution and the founding principles protect you from getting what you deserve from real Americans when you spew your hate.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Actually Gman, my friend, we didn’t even have that.

    While the Time and Newsweek diagrams indicated GOP control of Congress, the likes of Jeffords (remember him?) McCain and his Gang of 14 RINO’s gave Dims stealth control of Congress.

    I also remember some 900 FBI files that the Clintons diverted over to their war room. Personnel files of influential members of Congress whose votes might have been swayed by threats of ‘outing’ whatever skeletons they had revealed in confidence to the FBI.

    Not many people remember the depth of corruption or the length of the Clinton Dead Enemies list — folks who conveniently got found in Fort Marcy Park, in the wreckage of an aircraft in Yugoslavia after turning state’s evidence, or conveniently having heart attacks at opportune times, and so on, and so forth.

    No, the numbers might say Republicans had control, but they forget what was going on with the WHO DB and other efforts by the Clinton War Room / RINOs in Congress.

    Oh, BTW, Ann Rules!

  • Dino

    Poor GMAN’s kids. They can still escape the ignorance of an abusive republican home.

    Read my links if you can read.

  • Dino

    Yeah yeah. Like I said, when conservatives fail they’re not real conservatives.

    You probably don’t remember when Reagan was attacked at the end of his term for not being a “real” conservative.

    This conservatism you imagine is some figment of your deluded, ignorance-laden mindset. A perfect ideology that relies on self-reliance, gumption, ME ME ME, not having to pay to live in a society, all wrapped up in a Utopian world where everyone has lots of STUFF and spends their whole lives golfing with not a care in the world. Damn it, if the conservative leaders we elect who call themselves conservatives would just magically create this mythical world of wonder, we can claim that conservatism is the Way and the Light and all attempts to supplant it with something more humane will disappear.

    And then the little boy woke up and conservatism had once again given the people an coarse culture of greed, corruption and misery. But the little boy Robert went back to sleep knowing that someday, someday very magical, in a place far, far away, the “real” conservatives would resurface and everyone would live happily ever after.

    THE END!

  • robert108

    How disingenuous! Where were you brainstems for the last 8 years?

    Complaining about it, idiot! Conservatives don’t like Dem-style spending, no matter who does it. Could you be any more partisan and ignorant?

    BTW, idiot, this is an open forum. If you don’t like it, tough shitski.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Obama sounds like the Vietnam era cliche that we had to burn this village in order to save it.

    By the way Dino, the Democrats were the ones that created the subprime/Fannie/Freddie mess that triggered this crisis.

    And the Democrats were able to block reform of that mess as well.

  • HG

    And I don’t do quizzes from the likes of you!

    You don’t do a lot of things like honesty, context, liberty, women… and apparently a simple question is to much reality for you to face.

  • Dino

    The question was directed to me, Robbie. There are no talking points.

    I just realized too, that the topic of this thread is hand-wringing over an increase of the debt. This coming from members of a party and devotees of a President who DOUBLED THE DEBT in 8 shot years.

    How disingenuous! Where were you brainstems for the last 8 years?

  • robert108

    As for your question: I’d have to know more about the motivation behind it.

    In other words, you refuse to answer, or you don’t have an answer. I guess you’ll have to wait for the talking point, then.

  • HG

    Dino,

    Who does your wages belong to?

  • Dino

    As for your question: I’d have to know more about the motivation behind it. This isn’t a Hannity or O’Reilly show where you ask someone, “Do you want America destroyed by terrorists?” over and over when you can’t find any other way to push your point.

  • sc

    For years Social Security was kept separate from the general fund. But a guy named Lyndon Johnson, a democrat and President, broke open the lock box to take money to run the Veit Nam War. I wonder how Dino will explain this?

  • Dino

    HG, I used to do women. Even fathered a child. I’ve seen both sides of the street and just prefer to stay on one of them.

    Now, maybe your criticisms of my sex life will carry validity when you try crossing the street.

  • Dino

    I don’t have wages. I am on welfare like all the liberals.

    And I don’t do quizzes from the likes of you!

    But do keep asking!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    By the way, exactly how do you regulate the world wide credit/derivatives market anyway?

  • robert108

    BTW, the free market doesn’t “level the playing field”, nor is it designed to. It rewards achievement, and it rewards those who achieve more with more. It’s called incentive.
    The Dem social engineering schemes that claim to “level the playing field” always screw things up, like the affirmative action home loan mandates screwed up the finance market.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    And I don’t do quizzes from the likes of you!

    Or simple questions that test your intelligence.

    It’s sad to say, I heard more intelligence when I worked for the school for the mentally retarded.

  • RebTex

    I don’t have wages. I am on welfare like all the liberals.

    That don’t jibe with your other statement on a different thread.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    The democrats, out of power for most of the last 30 years,

    Bill Clinton used a Carter era law to pressure banks into giving out bad loans. He then used Fannie and Freddie to underwrite those bad loans.

    The Bush administration tried to fix the Fannie and Freddie situation but the Democrats in Congress blocked it.

    It’s really not that hard to understand.

    By the way, how have things been going since the Democrats took Congress in 2006?

  • robert108

    Now, maybe your criticisms of my sex life will carry validity when you try crossing the street.

    It’s not necessary to actually “try” poison to know that you don’t want to drink it.

    Your confusion is noted.

  • robert108

    The Dem “victory” in ’06 is responsible for a lot of what is happening right now. Their restrictive energy policies have cost us untold billions in revenue, hundreds of thousands of jobs and have killed economic growth. A lot of blame goes right on arrogant Pelosi.

  • robert108

    When the hate-filled leftie idiots rail against what they think is conservatism, they illustrate their ignorance. American conservatism is the Constitution and the founding principles. When you hate conservatism, you are hating America. You are hating the country that has nourished you, housed you, and has given you the opportunity to vent your insane hatred of our Constitution and founding principles without receiving the punishment you deserve for your actions.
    Without us, you would be dead.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    WHy do you want a giovernment (sic)? You hate government. You people prefer a free-for-all, no rules, no regulations, no one telling you how to make money or to not make money.

    What’s the point of government then? To provide a military? You people are simply savages who can’t seem to fit into a modern, civilized culture. That’s the probleme (sic)here. Your wholes (sic)lives are built around a tantrum that you have to follow rules of cilivized, fair and honest culture.

    Dim-o: You really are a complete horse’s ass, so before I go back to ignoring you, what you are describing is not conservatism, but anarchism, a position, incidentally, favored more by the left than the right. But, continue to be your insulting, mindless, obnoxious self and give us some more childish insults. It’s what we’ve come to expect from you!

  • Dino

    Yeah, that’s what I thought. When faced with proof that Fannie & Freddie weren’t nearly the cause of our economic meltdown, just ignore it.

    Robert thinks it’s good to stay ignorant and ill-informed. That explains 99% of the republicans’ success!

    The last 30 years has been dominated by republicans in the setting of the agenda and the conservative economic policies we’ve pursued. Policies that are now destroying the country. Ironic, huh? But NOT a coinicidence.

  • robert108

    …refutations about Fannie/Freddie…

    You can’t refute the truth, moron. No matter how many lies you tell, the root of the problem was the Dem affirmative action social engineering home loan mandates. Without them, Fannie and Freddie wouldn’t have become so bloated with bad paper, no derivatives market, and no home value inflation.
    Educate yourself.

  • Dino

    SS has been headed for bankruptcy since the program was started according to shitstains like you. Selfish, ignorant people like you have predicting its demise since the beginning. There’s just some of you who are defective, probably missing a gene or group of genes that make one more human.

    I’m about done with Robert. It’s not worth my time to provide education to people who are unwilling to move beyond their tantrum of conservative ignorance. He throws tantrums but then he still wants to enjoy the perks provided him by the programs he hates. Behavior much like a spoiled teenager with an unformed brain. Or a toddler flaiing his grubby little fists in a fit of primitive anger.

  • ew

    “rescue?” Does the leftist illuminati really think that there is any sort of rescue?

    Can we please get a peseudo long-term thinker in here?

  • Dino

    Why yes, of course. When conservatives fail they weren’t “real” conservatives.

    That way conservatism never fails!

    Give it to them HARD, touched. Tell them how we’re about to hit record deficits of perhaps one TRILLION.

    Oh, and receipts ALWAYS go up as our economy grows. But they went up faster and more when Clinton RAISED taxes than when bush lowered them.

    You people! Ho boy!

    PS. You’ve never been to a gay pride parade, HG. And I hae no wealth. We liberals live in shopping carts and elect leaders who will give me your money.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    No, the numbers might say Republicans had control, but they forget what was going on with the WHO DB and other efforts by the Clinton War Room / RINOs in Congress.

    No one even needs to look at the RINOs. We had our best years under Republican control of Congress, and even better ones with a Republican Congress AND Republican President.

    And the idea that Democrats haven’t had control is idiotic on it’s face.

  • HG

    Bounder,

    I’ve never heard of a heterosexual pride parade.

  • HG

    Remember, all sex is gross unless you’re the one having it. That’s why it’s a private act.

    Then why all the gay pride parades? Why force your sexuality on all of society. For whatever reason homosexuals just can’t keep it a private act.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    But listen to yourself. The democrats, out of power for most of the last 30 years, certainly for the time period of the bubble, 2000-2007, overruled by a republican majority that rammed anything it wanted down democrat throats, were to blame?

    Oh please. Reagan had a Democrat congress for 6 of his 8 years. Bush Sr had a Dem congress all 4 years. in 1993, Clinton took over the white house and had a Dem congress for two years. Republicans took over Congress soon after and held it for six years. In 2000, Republicans lost the Senate but retained the house, splitting Congress.

    It’s beyond historical revisionism to say Democrats have not had control in the past 30 years.

    And it’s a massive lie to say Democrats were passive on the sidelines. Under Bush, the Democrats became the most powerful minority party in our country’s history as Bush tried to reach out to them.

    Honesty, a three syllable word liberals don’t understand.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Republicans set the tone, the agenda and held the power for most of the last 3 decades

    Dim-o: Do you even know how long a decade is? When you say “held power”, you can’t possibly be talking about Congress! Unless you have problems figuring out which medal you won at last year’s Special Olympics, you should be able to figure out that the Democrats have controlled Congress for most of the last 30 years.

    Republican filth.

    You know, if you weren’t perpetually stuck on stupid, some of us might actually be offended by that! Heh.
    Go play in traffic!

    Or, you could try educating yourself:

    The middle of the 20th century saw the service of one of the most influential Speakers in history, Democrat Sam Rayburn.[5] Rayburn was the longest serving Speaker in history, holding office from 1940 to 1947, 1949 to 1953, and 1955 to 1961.

    …Rayburn’s successor, Democrat John William McCormack (served 1962–1971), was a somewhat less influential Speaker, particularly because of dissent from younger members of the Democratic Party. During the mid-1970s, the power of the Speakership once again grew under Democrat Carl Albert.

    …Albert’s successor, Democrat Tip O’Neill, was a prominent Speaker because of his public opposition to the policies of President Ronald Reagan. O’Neill is the longest-serving Speaker without a break (1977 through 1987). He challenged Reagan on domestic programs and on defense expenditures. Republicans made O’Neill the target of their election campaigns in 1980 and 1982; nevertheless, Democrats managed to retain their majorities in both years.

    The roles of the parties were reversed in 1994, when the Republicans regained control of the House after spending forty years in the minority. Republican Speaker Newt Gingrich regularly clashed with Democratic President Bill Clinton; in particular, Gingrich’s “Contract with America” was a source of contention. Gingrich was ousted in 1998 when the Republican Party fared poorly in the congressional elections–although retaining a small majority–his successor, Dennis Hastert, played a much less prominent role.

    In the 2006 midterm elections, the Democrats won majority of the House. -wiki

    Democrat Tip O’Neill ’77-’87 (10 years)
    Democrats Jim Wright & Tom Foley ’88-’95 (7 years)
    Republicans ’95-2006 (12 years)
    Democrat Nancy Pelosi 2006- 2008 (2 years)

    Have someone add up the number of years the Democrats controlled the House for you. I’d ask you to do it, but it amounts to double digits and I’m sure that level of math is beyond you! Then have them divide that number by 30. See if it’s more than or less than half. (You know! Like on Sesame Streetâ„¢ where “One of these things is not like the other”!)

    Or do you just have the same kind of problem with the word “most” that rbb has with the word “reality”? (and what it represents!) I guess you boys are just in the same “camp”! Heh.

    BTW, Why stop at three decades? Go back fifty years and you’ll still see Democrats screwed up controlled Congress most of those years.

    That’s why we say:

    Progress is the opposite of Congress!

  • http://www.myspace.com/thekingscourt4u Gman

    REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED EVERYTHING. They could have done ANYTHING THEY WANTED. THEY DID NOT.

    The first 4 years of Bush, post 9/11 He had control of the Congress and Senate, but also had the Hell of a terrorist mess left him by Clinton to clean up. I admit, He messed up big time by not pushing harder to get out from under Fannie, Freddie, the Social Security mess, and then pushed through the SCREWED UP Medicare D system, but I still love him just the same.

    Who among us thought that he would reach the end of 2 terms without another attack on American soil????

    Not I.

    So Dino,

    Another day, another lie, and another lie, and another lie, and Another, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER,and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER,and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER,and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, and ANOTHER,

    Get the idea.

    You are a lying Communist POS, and my kids will never vote Democrat. In fact, when someone makes a stupid comment, my 13 year old says, ‘That was a very Democrat thing to say”.
    and,
    “Be careful where you walk in the pasture, you might step in a Democrat.”
    And best of all
    “Watch out when the flock of geese flies over, a Democrat might hit you in the head.”

    At least he knows which end of the Donkey, the Democrats come from.

  • atease

    We will long for the good ole Bush days of lower taxes. But he never was a fiscal conservative either.

    atease

  • robert108

    Correct! The govt drones are exempt from the effects of their policies.

  • robert108

    Heterosexuality is normal.

  • atease

    Unemployment was 7% when Carter left office and rose to 11% in 82, two years into reagan’s first term. Reagan started this ball rolling.

    What was the inflation and unemployment rates when he left office in 1989? What was the increase in receipts to the fed from when he entered office until he left? What did the military look like before and after? And all that was done with a donkey House that he had to go to the people to go over and get things accomplished.

    Don’t even try to come here and say Reagan was not one of the best presidents ever. You show your bad side while making your presentation.

    atease

  • Dino

    Make up your mind people. You used to crow about the iron grip you had on power, the “New Republican Century”, a “Permanent Republican Majority” were a couple of the phrases thrown around.

    Republicans set the tone, the agenda and held the power for most of the last 3 decades. It was free-market, supply-side all the way baby. Now that it’s gone to hell and the results of the greedfest are upon us, you were little meek children being pushed around by the mean, playground bully democrats all those years. Awwww. Never thought I’d see the day when conservatives would brag about being wusses!

    The last 2 years could have been better but the republicans broke all records for filibusters and obstructive maneuvers. Check it out. They broke their old record for frequency of filibuster they had from the early 90s. They would rather watch the country implode than give democrats any policy victories in an election year. That’s the kind of people you are. You’d rather KILL the country than let someone else run it when you FAILED to do so.

    Such patriotism. Such good citizens. Republican filth.

  • Dino

    You’re going to long for a lot of things you’re about to lose. You’re going to wish you never, ever voted republican. Your kids will hate you for voting republican.

    Trust me.

  • I’m touched

    Incidentally Rob, I noticed your top song is Baba O’riley.

    Apropos that, you may want to listen to the Roger Daultry refrain; because when it comes to movement conservatism, the vast majority of voters (other than those struggling for a post-hoc rationale for their voting for this depraved blue-blooded brahmin repackaged as a “Texan” for the low-information voters among us) are thinking “We won’t get fooled again”

    The only question we now face is, is it too late to reverse the damage movement conservatism has done to the country? I can only hope not.

  • robert108

    BTW, it would take at least twenty years of real conservative Presidents and Congresses to undo all the damage done to this country by you lying lefties; that would be against the founding principles of America, though. One-party rule is the wrong way to go; witness the damage done by the forty years of Dem rule in the House. We have yet to recover from that, and Pelosi is adding fresh damage every day.

  • Mickey

    The bailout is now projected to be around 7 trillion dollars and I haven’t heard one word from Obama or the Democrats to reduce this number. Don’t kid yourself if you think there will be a reduction in spending in this new administration. By the end of Obama’s first term he will double the national deficit. Obama is no different than Bush. He is already back peddling on his campaign promises calling them “goals” with new spin on the rhetoric.

    There is nothing special about Obama. New wrapper on an old package.

  • Bounder

    Hey HG, ever been to New Orleans during Carnival? There’s a lot of heterosexual nudity, vulgarity and real heterosexual acts going on. Oh, bout that’s acceptable, after all you get a necklace of beads as payment.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Does this cheesedisk realize what has happened in the past few election cycles?

    Republican voters have not supported the Republicans who they sent to Congress and proceeded to become part of the problem.

    What the Left crows as a victory for America voting to become liberal is in reality, Conservative voters demanding accountability of those they send to Congress.

    The margins that Leftard candidates won by represents the Conservative-staying-home vote.

    No, Conservatives don’t condone Republicans who spend like Democrats and the election results prove this.

    The Left however, have a much lower threshhold of accountability. Their job, once in power, is to take wealth created by workers and transfer it to societies’ parasites, who will in turn vote for those who promise to give them more of other people’s money.

    Pretty simple really and why the Founders chose not to set us up as a Democracy, but as a Constitutional Republic.

  • Dino

    Ah yes. HG, another walking brainstem who refuses to read the links that totally prove the mess was not due to Fannie & Freddie. Cling to that quote you’re so proud of you use as your signature. Cling to your ignorance like a cloak of stupid.

    But you know, if you keep repeating the same lie over and over it becomes the truth. Too bad only you “30 percenters”, the hardcore idiots who would follow conservatism to end up living in caves, believe it.

    Gay Pride parades were originally to celebrate our lifestyle and end the shame and hiding in the closet. It gave us safety in numbers. You’ll never understand because you are a compassionless person.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Why yes, of course. When conservatives fail they weren’t “real” conservatives.

    That way conservatism never fails!

    Well I’d actually accuse the proponents of things like nationalized health care and socialism in general of the same thing. Point out that Canada’s health care sucks? Well they’re just not doing it right. Point out that Russia’s socialist revolution begot Stalin? Well, they just didn’t do it right.

    But with conservatives, it’s worth noting that Republicans weren’t actually doing it right. They were corrupt (DeLay) scandal-plagued (Foley) and not actually limiting government (it grew by leaps and bounds during the 8 years of the Bush administration).

    I know that reality probably doesn’t matter to you, but the simple fact is that Republicans were being conservative. Thus, you can’t exactly blame their losses on conservatism.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I don’t have wages. I am on welfare like all the liberals.

    Well at least you’re honest, unlike the other liberals.
    ;-)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    10 trillion+ in debt, and now we hear a different tune from our host.

    I’d actually challenge you to find anything I’ve ever written which indicates that I am in favor of a national debt.

    I’ve pointed out that the budget deficits under Bush actually shrank as tax receipts grew after his tax cuts, and that’s absolutely true. Here’s a chart:

    Image and video hosting by TinyPic

    Note the growth in tax receipts after the Bush tax cuts, and a dwindling of receipts after Democrats took over in 2006.

    Unfortunately, spending outpaced growth in receipts throughout that time span which, frankly, is the fault of both Democrats and Republicans.

    So I’m not sure what your problem with me is. I don’t like budget deficits. I don’t like the national debt. I criticize Republicans and Democrats over this problem.

    If you think this is a partisan problem, you’re kidding yourself.

  • WOOFX

    Ah, the Bush agenda lowering the tax burden.

  • WOOFX

    But he never was a fiscal conservative either.

    But he played one on TV.

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