Proof, Under Hannitized’s definition a 22 auto-loading squirrel gun is an assault weapon. You are wasting your time arguing with this idiot.

Hannie gets easily confused about the plastic parts on his “weapons”, but they do come in handy for letting him know exactly how much water is left in them!

There a link to the AWB article in this posting:
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/mexico_cant_control_drugs_but_guns_are_from_us/

It’s also on Drudge.

See AR? This will go on for a few more passes, with the added fun of claiming that changing the handgaurds makes it an “assault weapon”, and the dropping of the obligatory anti-gun activist reverse psychology psychout mumbojumbo, and then a miraculous transmorgrification and it will accuse you of wanting to ban guns and quash people’s rights and whatnot.

There, a nice run on sentence. That always gets sanni crying like a little beatch.

Might as well turn this into a gun thread.

Notice not one person responded to Buzz’s post and story. Not one!!

Not one Conservative could bring themselves to admit that auto-matic weapons can be bought in American, and are being smuggled across the Mexican border to arm drug lords and out arm the Mexican government.

Why?????????????

There are several lib posters that cut and paste prolifically on here.

It’s one thing to cut and paste an article that bolsters your position. Poor hapless Han-job cuts and pastes things that disprove his arguments and the poor sap is clueless to the fact.
It is fun to watch though! Heh.

My, my. Guess sanni doesn’t want to share. Oh, well.

A bit more eye candy.

Proof, blows it:

The Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool, who until very recently thought that the National Rifle Association was only for “rifle enthusiasts”, shows his utter and total ignorance regarding firearms once again. The so called “assault rifle” legislation never applied to true assault weapons, but only their semi-automatic lookalikes.

What we have here is a lot of hooey, by people who know nothing about rifles. First of all, Poofy, an “assault rifle” has little to do with it’s single fire, automatic or semiautomatic fire rates. The name comes from the term “storm rifle”.

The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally meaning “storm rifle”), “storm” used as a verb being synonymous with assault, as in “to storm the compound”. Sturmgewehr was coined by Adolf Hitler[1] to describe the Maschinenpistole 44, subsequently re-christened Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first true assault rifle that served to popularize the concept.

Further, you confuse the term Automatic rifle, as if semi-auto rifles, don’t qualify. Wrong again:

Automatic rifle is a term generally used to describe a self-loading rifle chambered for a rifle cartridge, capable of delivering both semi- and fully automatic fire. This “select-fire” capability, as well as the (general) use of magazine-fed rifle ammunition, differentiate it from other classes of automatic firearm such as the machine gun and submachine gun.

In many cases, however, it simply describes a rifle capable of self-loading, but not capable of automatic fire (i.e., semiautomatic). Depending on the expert and point in history, fully-automatic carbines and assault rifles are sometimes considered to be a type of automatic rifle, and at other times separated into their own categories.
As an example of the confusion, or at least differences in usage, there are books which feature a section for automatic rifles listing several semi-automatic self-loading rifles, but not a single fully automatic weapon. On the other hand, soldiers of the United States Army carrying the M249 SAW are designated automatic riflemen, and the weapon itself an automatic rifle — even though it is a fully automatic firearm, normally classified as a squad automatic weapon (SAW) or light machine gun.

Automatic, another word Proof doesn’t understand.

Automatic does not specify a specific rate of fire, only that the action be automatic.

Geez.

The Haole poseur Hannitized, who claims to have guns of his his own, and supported a presidential candidate that he knew would attempt to ban private ownership of at least certain guns, carelessly used an inaccurate term that plays into the hands of those who would take away the Second Amendment rights of Americans.
When a thoughtless twerp carelessly says “automatic weapons”, the common understanding of the words (like the understanding of the word “camp”) conveys a specific message.
No one who truly cares about the preservation of Second Amendment rights would be so careless or sloppy about something that effects them personally.
If Han-job is a gun owner, why is he drinking the Sarah Brady/HCI Kool-Aid® ?

A bit more eye candy.

Nice RPK 2H9. I owned a few Saigas in .223 and .308, I enjoyed them a lot. I’m a big AR nut now, I doubt that will change. The accuracy of my AR’s is very handy when I go hunting, plus I love the look and feel of them. My bolt and lever guns don’t see the outside of my gun safe to much anymore.
If I get a chance I’ll post a pic or two on here of them.

Oh, and most recent? Coyote, standing in grass between 12 and 16 inches high, with SMLE running a 150gr Speer BTHP. A friend loaded me 50 rds, I been having trouble finding any .303 in loads lighter than 180gr. Its nice to have friends!

No, but they were STILL…..AUTOMATIC.

No dunce, they weren’t. See if there are any knowledgeable adults hanging around the kiddie pool and ask them! They were semi- automatic. And if you can’t tell the difference, then you ought not to be discussing these things with adults who do!

You guys assumed when I used the word automatic, I meant machine gun or full-auto.

Yeah. Just like when you said that “camp” was short for “campaign”, you misused the word and then expected everyone else to read your mind!
The term “automatic weapon” or “automatic rifle” refers to a weapon that can be fired full auto. It’s a rookie mistake, but then, we expect such nonsense from an obvious neophyte like yourself!

You misused the word Han-job. I don’t expect for you to admit it, since your poor frail ego seems incapable of ever admitting to error.

You guys are the ones who bit off more than you could chew.

In arguing with an ignorant and infantile egotist incapable of learning anything or admitting to his mistakes? Possibly!

No, but they were STILL…..AUTOMATIC.

No dunce, they weren’t. See if there are any knowledgeable adults hanging around the kiddie pool and ask them! They were semi- automatic. And if you can’t tell the difference, then you ought not to be discussing these things with adults who do!

Proof shows us his ignorance. Do you know what the author never used the word automatic to describe assault rifles and machine guns? Because it is stupid.

The word automatic describes an action, an action that is either full, or semi. But either way, they are both AUTOMATIC actions.

You just aren’t up to date on your terminology brother. Don’t blame me for your ignorance.

The term “automatic weapon” or “automatic rifle” refers to a weapon that can be fired full auto. It’s a rookie mistake, but then, we expect such nonsense from an obvious neophyte like yourself!

Quit referring to an ACTION, that you mistake for a type of rifle or gun.

An automatic firearm is a firearm that fires, automatically extracts the used cartridge case from the barrel and ejects it, then loads a new case into the barrel; generally by harnessing the recoil of the cartridge’s explosion. The term can be used to refer to semi-automatic firearms, which fire one shot per pull of the trigger, or fully automatic firearms, which will continue to load and fire ammunition until the trigger (or other activating device) is released or until the ammunition is exhausted.

You dunces just don’t understand words.

Automatic describes an action. What action? Again: An action that automatically extracts the used cartridge case from the barrel and ejects it, then loads a new case into the barrel; generally by harnessing the recoil of the cartridge’s explosion.

Dumbasses.

An “assault weapon” is any object used in the commission of an assault.

Proof stumbles again:

There is a very definite difference between automatic and semi automatic weapons.

Yes, but none of those differences stop either from being classified as an AUTOMATIC weapon. I never used any other word than AUTOMATIC weapon, you dolt.

Can you please show me any information that shows a semi-auto from a full-auto that changes one from NOT being an automatic weapon?

No.

You are too dishonest to admit you made an error. Admit it and show the audience you can be trusted.

And by the way, here is the laws on banning MACHINE GUNS….which is different from the term you are using, “Automatic rifles” and “Assault Rifles”.

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of “reasonable necessity,” and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant “would be consistent with public safety.” The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant’s residence.

Since the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act’s passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

Machine guns, sub-machine guns, assault rifles, automatic rifles are all terms you stupid fucks are unfamiliar with.

You have no idea the depth of knowledge I have on firearms. You really thought you had me, didn’t you?

Hilarious.

I thought Proof figured out not to fuck with me on this level anymore…..I like putting him back in his place. He is the easiest to set up.

AR, we have had many very entertaining “conversations” about firearms with sanni. Just wait, its going to 180 in the next couple of comments, and claim it never meant what it actually said. Bet on it.

From the National Firearms Act

http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/nfa.htm

(b) Machinegun. — The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

We are all playing games with semantics here, for the purposes of the National Firearms Act, any weapon that can load and fire automatically with one pull of the trigger is considered a “machine gun”. That means shot guns, pistols, machine pistols, sub machine guns and rifles. Any weapon that can fire automatically is banned and thus a “machine gun”.

If one truly understands the history of the “automatic rifle”, you would know that the first made their appearance in WWI. And would today be classified as semi-auto.

Wrong, that is why BAR is an acronym for Browning Automatic Rifle. The BAR was developed to provide infantry on the assault a portable machine gun. Machine guns during WWI were water cooled and bulky and not very portable.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/mgun_bar.htm

It was loaded via a 20-round detachable box magazine (which could be rapidly changed in theory in 2-4 seconds; 6-8 seconds in practice). The BAR weighed a little over 8kg and had a cyclic firing rate of 550 rounds per minute at 600 yards. It could be used in either semi- or fully-automatic mode.

http://www.jodavidsmeyer.com/combat/military/weapons-BAR.html

The Browning Automatic Rifle is .30 caliber, gas operated, and air-cooled. It may be fired from the shoulder or from the hip. It is 47 inches long, weight 15.5 pounds, and can fire 450 shots per minute. Besides being used from the shoulder or the hips, it may be mounted on a bipod. This weapon can be adjusted to fire semi-automatically, which is much slower than automatic firing, but more accurate, and does not heat the weapon as will automatic firing. When used automatically, the Browning M 1918 is fired in short bursts.

http://www.ww2gyrene.org/rifle_squad.htm

The term automatic rifle traces its roots to the BAR which was wielded by the Automatic Rifleman. What made the auto rifleman different from a rifleman? A rifleman carried a M-1 Springfield (WWI bolt action) or a M-1 Garand (WW II semi-automatic), the automatic rifleman could, on order from his squad leader, switch his weapon from semi-automatic to fully automatic because he had an “automatic rifle”.

Today, the WWI and WWII BAR would be classified as a “machine gun” and banned by the National Firearms Act. In the military it would be classed as an individual weapon. “Machine guns” like all guns in the military, are crew served. That’s why you get in trouble for calling an M-16 a gun, because its an individual weapon.

The BAR that Browning sells today, is available as a semi-automatic because the National Firearms Act will not allow it to be sold with the automatic option.

Here,this is PA’s version. Check it out, then go find your state’s version. This one was defeated in committee, the author is resubmitting it this session, and similar legislation was defeated in Congress each time it is brought forward, that is why they are no pushing it in state Legislatures. And doing it quietly so citizens will have no opportunity to say no.

han is a person in love with his own intellect.

Give me a break Doc. I simply started off with one accurate statement, and every factually challenged Republican tried to lecture me on the facts that they, themselves were completely ignorant of.

That doesn’t make me in love with my intellect, it makes them arrogantly stupid, and me shocked that people are functional members of society with their limited ability to have an adult conversation.

Here in PA we can’t use semi-auto for hunting, bolt, lever, pump and single shot only.

I’m a Garand shooter, always been a .30 man. Here is a fixer upper I picked up a few years ago.

A Mark III that someone butchered the stock on. Had to use a piece of stainless steel strap to stabilize the barrel, now she is quite accurate. Though being light it kicks like hell!

This is the legendary 5.45 wz. 88 Tantal from Poland, the Polish version of the AK-74. It is chambered in the Soviet 5.45×39 cartridge, and accepts metal and polymer magazines. It has several unique features not found on the Russian or Bulgarian AK-74. Interarms / High Standard is proud to introduce the US-assembled semi-automatic version of this wonderful rifle to the US market.They have Grade A + FIT & FINISH and are factory assembled in the USA on a fully heat treated high quality receiver with the original military chrome lined barrel & flash hider.

The Tantal has several unique features not found on the more common Soviet or Bulgarian AK-74 rifles:

1. The gas tube is floated between the gas block and the rear sight support. It does not touch the handguard. The handguard is supported by an extended lower handguard flange and the rear sight support.

2. The muzzle brake has been modified to also function as a grenade launcher.

3. The Tantal comes with a side-folding stock that mounts just like a fixed buttstock. It does not require a different rear trunnion, but mounts on a standard trunnion in the normal fashion. It can be quickly and easily interchanged with a fixed stock. Most military sidefolding stocks are build on dedicated receivers, and cannot be converted to fixed stocks.

4. The gas block has been modified to accept a bipod. Standard NATO bipods will fit this version.

The Interarms wz. 88 Tantal is finished in beautiful military grade Parkerizing for a long-lived surface with excellent corrosion resistance. All internal parts interchange with standard AK-74 rifles. The trigger group uses a double-hook G2 trigger for extremely smooth pull and crisp let-off and no trigger slap.

There are very limited numbers of the sets of parts to build these rifles in the US, and with the recent ban on importing barrels, these sets will soon be gone. These rifles were built with the best-quality sets ever imported, so don’t miss your change to have a true piece of military history. Comes with 1- 30 round poly or metal mag & features the original left side selector switch & original Polish chrome lined barrel & military spec parkerized finish unlike the rifles built by Century Arms .

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You have to remember — the proponents of the so-called Assault Weapons Ban, knew very little about guns technically.

You might recall how they repeatedly referred to 30-round capacity magazines as clips.

Your Drill Instructor or Drill Sergeant would have you on your face for that bit of stupidity.

They just knew they hated scary-looking guns and in their incremental approach to their assault on the Constitution they would demonize and vilify one class of firearms at a time in hopes of getting popular support for banning of weapons, one class at a time.

The demonization and misdirection was a form of propaganda — not truth.

If they wanted to be truthful about Assault Rifles, they would have been truthful and just attacked possession of the Class III, NFA fully-automatic military-based firearms — that is, those equipped with a fully-automatic sear. You could hold the trigger down and it would empty a large- capacity magazine going rat-tat-tat.

It was all, of course, a huge lie. Fully automatic weapons came under close government control due to the gangsters of the 1920′s and 1930′s and has maintained that control since.

Semi-automatic weapons have been with us since they were invented. Incidentally, up until that passage of the mis-named Assault Weapons Ban, only a tiny proportion of any crime was committed using semi-automatic military-looking rifles. Most crime was committed with handguns, and a vast majority of those, stolen, or obtained through third parties — and certainly not purchased over the counter after filling out the state and federal paperwork.

They would also target handguns — calling them Saturday Night Specials (and forgetting their true origin name which was Saturday Night Niggertown Specials).

They would target bolt action rifles, calling them Sniper Rifles, and ammunition, calling it Cop Killer Bullets.

Do you recognize the pattern?

It is based on lies and inflammatory propaganda.

So continue to regurgitate the lies and propaganda put out by Handgun Control, Inc. and the Violence Policy Center. It shows how little you really know about firearms and our Constitutional right to keep and bear them.

HCI’s and VPC’s efforts to overthrow the Constitution are by means of the gnawing of rats and termites, rather than an honest, direct assault on an enumerated Constitutional Amendment.

That would be truthful and would never work for the Left.

Can any of you get anything right?

You’re the only one here with your head up the dark, brown tunnel of ignorance.

The 1994 “assault weapons ban” banned the sale and possession of newly manufactured semi-automatic riles that had a certain number of or combination of cosmetic features (pistol grips, detachable magazines, folding stocks, barrel shrouds, bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, etc.), but that functioned NO DIFFERENTLY than many commonly used sporting and hunting rifles.

I’ll type this next line slowly, so you might understand it better this time around.

The ’94 AWB, which expired in 2004 after Congress (not the President) voted not to renew it, had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with automatic weapons (aka: machine guns).

NOTHING.

ZIP.

ZILCH.

NADA.

ZEEEEEEERO.

The sole purpose of the legislation can best be summed up using the words of the Violence Prevention Center, one of the gun control [read: civilian disarmament] groups that helped draft the legislation:

The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons–anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun–can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.

Please let me know if you had any trouble with some of the more complicated words I used there, like “had” and “with”.

Make no mistake America! These so called “assault weapons” are simply civilian semi-automatic firearms with a military look. They shoot 100% identically to many hunting rifles and average target shooting long arms. They do not and never will spray bullets that could take out multiple targets with one sweep. They are meant for taking well-placed shots, not for combat. These types of firearms have absolutely nothing to do with the crimes taking place on the Mexican boarder. You’d have to be one heck of a salesman to smuggle guns into Mexico and then try to convince the drug cartels that your semi-automatic “assault rifles” are superior to their fully automatic machine guns and explosives. If Mexicans were armed with these semi-automatic civilian arms, we wouldn’t have this boarder problem because the fight would be over in no time or there wouldn’t be a fight at all. Statistics show that since the original assault weapons ban expired in ’04, these readily available firearms are used in a fraction of 1% of all violent crimes in the US. It’s all just another excuse for the government to strip our rights out from under us. How can they even think up such nonsense while our country is in economic turmoil?! Everyone that takes pride in their Constitution which is the foundation of our great nation, please do something about this and join the NRA today before it’s too late! They need us and we definitely need them. They are our best hope to victory.

Besides this, I heard they wanted to run something through that would raise permit fees for firearms. The fee would then be so high that working class could not afford it. I forgot the bill but this to me is very scary.

Rosey O’Donnel and the elite will be the ones who can pay, but not a regular law abiding citizens. Outrageous

“If guns protect important places like bars, then there good enough to protect my family” ~ Homer Simpson.

Right. Because all those Mexican drug smugglers would hear Obama’s decree and stop their illegal activities immediately. Because we all know how much respect criminals have for the law.

It was not about “stopping crime”; it was about stopping automatic weapons getting in the hands of the drug smugglers who are better armed than law enforcement in Mexico.

You really need to start getting the facts right Rob.

Pathetic.

I’m skipping ahead in the thread here cause reading sanni’s is making my eyes bleed, what a douche.

Let me cut to the chase, sanni is attempting to claim that all weapons which are not bolt action, lever action, pump or single shot hand loaded are automatic weapons, he is trying to squeeril this through on the thin ice of auto loading pistols being called automatics.

The playing of semantical circlejerks is another favorite of sanni’s.

ar, han is a person in love with his own intellect. Complete waste of time and energy debating with him.

Proof ignores the point of his own cut and paste:

To reiterate and emphasize, please note that civilian “assault rifles” were never full auto or select fire sub machine guns,

No, but they were STILL…..AUTOMATIC.

What a surprise, Proof doesn’t have the courage to admit he doesn’t know what an Automatic weapon is, a machine gun and an Assault rifle because he is uneducated on the Assault Weapons Ban law and the definitions that define them.

Thanks. Shoot a lot of groundhogs, keeps the eye sharp.

Just got into shooting prairie dogs two years ago. I couldn’t believe how fun it was/is. If I could get Obama on a dogtown in june with an AR-15 and about 500 rnds or 52 grn bthp’s the man would be lifetime NRA the next day and against any AWB. Am I wrong?

The Poseur Proof thinks that the term Automatic weapon applies to only Machine guns, not semi autos

Tiki Troll: I’ve been shooting since before you were even a stain on your father’s tightie whiteys!
There is a difference between automatic and semi-automatic weapons. Ask your kindergarten teacher if you can go online and Google some more. Maybe you’ll learn something? Nah!

You are truly a pathetic jackass H.

True that!

It was not about “stopping crime”; it was about stopping automatic weapons getting in the hands of the drug smugglers who are better armed than law enforcement in Mexico.

Fail.

Of course.  Have you ever crowned your own barrel?  Have you ever made your own “moderator”?  Have you ever fired a gun in total darkness with laser IR illumination increasing brightness gain for either the ocular lens or a objective lens? 

Is 350mw laser illuminator considered eye safe?

Let me guess, you can shoot out the xring @ 500 yds with your 10/22 as well. You must be the next Carlos Hathcock.
Shove all that tech shit up your ass Hanni. What in your opinion is the most amazing shot you ever made? With what caliber and type of rifle?

Make no mistake America! These so called “assault weapons” are simply civilian semi-automatic firearms with a military look. They shoot 100% identically to many hunting rifles and average target shooting long arms. They do not and never will spray bullets that could take out multiple targets with one sweep. They are meant for taking well-placed shots, not for combat. These types of firearms have absolutely nothing to do with the crimes taking place on the Mexican boarder. You’d have to be one heck of a salesman to smuggle guns into Mexico and then try to convince the drug cartels that your semi-automatic “assault rifles” are superior to their fully automatic machine guns and explosives. If Mexicans were armed with these semi-automatic civilian arms, we wouldn’t have this boarder problem because the fight would be over in no time or there wouldn’t be a fight at all. Statistics show that since the original assault weapons ban expired in ’04, these readily available firearms are used in a fraction of 1% of all violent crimes in the US. It’s all just another excuse for the government to strip our rights out from under us. How can they even think up such nonsense while our country is in economic turmoil?! Everyone that takes pride in their Constitution which is the foundation of our great nation, please do something about this and join the NRA today before it’s too late! They need us and we definitely need them. They are our best hope to victory.

Told you guys to buy ammo.

Automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons are not the same thing. Period.

Greg,

Here is something your video did not discuss.

For most self defense situations a person is likely to encounter, a long barreled rifle is not the weapon of choice. Intended primarily as an offensive armament, its greatest drawback in a defensive situation is the fact that it may be too long and too bulky to quickly deploy and maneuver in a close quarter, cluttered, or confined environment. A rifle is designed to produce long, accurate shots. Hence, it may pose a threat to innocent people from over penetration or excessive range.

AND..

A short barreled rifle such as an AR-15 by Colt or one of its various derivatives or clones by other quality manufacturers, a Mini-14 by Ruger, or an autoloading or lever action carbine is preferred for personal protection.

What is good for defense, is good for offense. Collapsable butt stocks make them even more user friendly, and of course the video discussed none of those things.

^ only problem with the SKS is the stock was cut for a ChiCom to use, most Americans look like Quasimoto when shouldering them…like an ape humping a football.

Not one Conservative could bring themselves to admit that auto-matic (sic) weapons can be bought in American,(sic)

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

Do you know what the word “reinstate” means? How about the word “expired”? How about the words “reinstate the ban that EXPIRED in 2004″????

The Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool, who until very recently thought that the National Rifle Association was only for “rifle enthusiasts”, shows his utter and total ignorance regarding firearms once again. The so called “assault rifle” legislation never applied to true assault weapons, but only their semi-automatic lookalikes.

So, the specious argument that “automatic” weapons were being sold across the border to Mexico was false, because the weapons in question were semi-automatics.

The legislation covering fully automatic weapons has not expired, and is still applicable. You can purchase fully automatic weapons in America, with a Federal Firearms License. They are quite expensive (due to supply and demand) and highly regulated. Most of the people I know personally who have FFL’s (do you know anyone with an FFL, Han-job?) would not risk losing their investment, their prized firearms or their freedom by selling guns or even parts of guns illegally.

You would do well to write about things you know about, young Han-job: How to get sand out of various bodily orifices. How to get sand in to various bodily orifices.

BTW, if Holder calls it an “Assault Weapon” Ban, he is either lying or ignorant (or both). (I can see why you admire the man, Han-job!)

To quote from Hannitized’s “great” article:

To reiterate and emphasize, please note that civilian “assault rifles” were never full auto or select fire sub machine guns, a category of firearm already subject to considerable federal oversight and regulation. In terms of its operation, the semi-automatic action of these so-called “assault rifles” is identical to the action of other countless, and legal, self-loading handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Nevertheless, because of their “scary” military look, many fine rifles were outlawed.

Note the use of quotes that denote that the “assault rifles” banned in the act were not really assault rifles.

Maybe you should read these things yourself before you make stupid comments on public blogs, Hannie?

Hannitized, have you ever fired a weapon with selective fire capability? Just answer, yes or no.

Of course. Have you ever crowned your own barrel? Have you ever made your own “moderator”? Have you ever fired a gun in total darkness with laser IR illumination increasing brightness gain for either the ocular lens or a objective lens?

Is 350mw laser illuminator considered eye safe?

You have no idea the depth of knowledge I have on firearms

Only from the stupid things you say here, Han-job.
But you cut and paste nicely! Have you been taking lessons from boob?

What we have here, are laymen who are using generic terms.

And one genuinely boneheaded Hawaiian poseur who calls semi-automatic weapons “automatic weapons” and then hides behind mountains of verbiage to try to hide his ignorance.

I don’t know what you are rambling about Bruce, but it certainly has nothing to do with the fact that the semi-automatic assault rifles that are purchased in the US, and smuggled across to border to arm drug cartels, are giving the drug cartel an advantage over Mexican government.

Keep talking minutiae, if it makes you feel smart. But in the end, you can’t change the fact that these “cosmetic” features can provide advantages over other semi autos.

Do you know anything about rifles? How many picatinny/weaver rail mounts can be used to attach lasers, flashlights, and other features to give advantages to drug lords? How about detachable magazines?

Those advantages make a difference, on top of being light weight and easy to use in combat.

Get real.

Hanni, as I linked to above by the terms of the National Firearms Act, a machine gun is an automatic weapon.

Greg: Teaching the Tiki Troll anything is like pushing a rope uphill! His reading comprehension is practically nil. And even when he’s proven wrong, like when he thought that “camp” was short for “campaign”, he’ll never admit it.

Correct his public ignorance for the edification of others, but don’t expect any acknowledgment from the Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool!

What a surprise, Proof doesn’t have the courage to admit he doesn’t know what an Automatic weapon is, a machine gun and an Assault rifle because he is uneducated on the Assault Weapons Ban law and the definitions that define them.

What a surprise! Hannitized is an ignorant and pompous ass who wouldn’t recognize any of these weapons if a real man allowed him to look (but not touch) any of them! The reason I don’t have the “courage” to admit I don’t know the difference, is that I clearly do know the difference. “Courage” must be yet another word that you are clueless as to the meaning!

Your ignorant claims that I am “uneducated” fly in the face of the quite frankly stupid and uneducated statements you have made here trying to defend your untenable position. Go back to the Kiddie Pool, Han-job. You’re in way over your head here!

because he is uneducated on the Assault Weapons Ban law and the definitions that define them.

I know what the definitions of the “Assault weapons” ban are. I put the words “Assault weapons” in quotes, because as I noted in the wikipedia article above they are different from the definitions of true assault weapons.
Can’t you read, Han-job? Or is it merely the comprehension of the words that make you sound like a complete and utter moron every time you show up here?

Hannitized, its obvious you are not a gun person. You don’t have a clue.

Yes, but he can cut and paste stuff he doesn’t understand with the best of them!

I simply started off with one accurate statement,

Wrong! ADD inflicted troll needs to be reminded of the inaccurate statement he started off with:

It was not about “stopping crime”; it was about stopping automatic weapons…

Automatic being yet another word The Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool is unacquainted with!

Now, compare this to a manual bolt-action rifle.

Obfuscation, meathead! The discussion wasn’t about bolt-action rifles, it was about the dunderhead who called semi-automatic weapons “automatic weapons” and he’s been ducking and weaving ever since.

Keep Googling, Han-job. Keep cutting and pasting. Maybe someone will forget the original boneheaded statement you made and get distracted by all your verbiage. Poseur.

Automatic weapon applies to only Machine guns

Hanni, as I linked to above by the terms of the National Firearms Act, a machine gun is an automatic weapon. By law, semi-automatics are not classed as an automatic weapon, even though as the name implies they are a sub category of automatic weapons. That is why the assault weapon ban of 1994 specifically used the term semi-automatic assault weapons. (please see the links in my other posts)

H,

If “the fact” that these semi-automatic assault rifles that are being illicitly purchased in the US warrants a complete ban on the sale of such to everyone, as has been proposed, then by your “logic” shouldn’t we also ban the sale of beer, wine, and liquor because those substances have been illicitly purchased by minors?

Bruce said;

“…semi-automatic assault rifles that are purchased in the US…”

In violation of existing laws (unlawful straw purchases facilitated by corrupt gun dealers, who are already being rightfully arrested and prosecuted).

Read the story again….

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

Do you know what the word “reinstate” means? How about the word “expired”? How about the words “reinstate the ban that EXPIRED in 2004″????

“…and smuggled across to border…”

In violation of existing laws (But, we can’t actually secure the border. That’s racist.)

You can’t smuggle out what does not exist. Or at least you can reduce it.

I mean. How much more can you miss???

Automatic, another word Proof doesn’t understand.

Doofus troll: There is a very definite difference between automatic and semi automatic weapons.
If you had experience with anything more powerful than a water pistol, you might know this!

I notice that you don’t post any links to anything you’ve posted. Wikipedia?

Automatic rifle is a term generally used to describe a self-loading rifle chambered for a rifle cartridge, capable of delivering both semi- and fully automatic fire. This “select-fire” capability, as well as the (general) use of magazine-fed rifle ammunition, differentiate it from other classes of automatic firearm such as the machine gun and submachine gun.

“Select fire” makes the difference between a semi-automatic rifle and a true assault rifle. You cannot “select” full automatic on a semi-automatic, clueless troll, because it is not there! Therefore, the semi-automatic rifles banned in the so called “assault rifle ban” and the weapons that Buzz cited were not automatic weapons. The use of the word “automatic” to describe a semi-automatic weapon (as in “.45 automatic”) does not apply when used in the context of “automatic weapons”. If you knew your ass from a hole in the ground, you might have a clue. You don’t.

Automatic does not specify a specific rate of fire, only that the action be automatic.

And not SEMI-automatic, clueless doofus. Geez, indeed!
You really haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about, do you?

Greg,
There is no one on here that could post a better response. Excellent, excellent post.

“I don’t know what you are rambling about…”

That part’s painfully obvious.

What in your opinion is the most amazing shot you ever made? With what caliber and type of rifle?

I can tell you mine, ar. Two consecutive bullets in the heart of a jack rabbit at around 50 yards with a slide action .22 with iron sights. Pure luck.

There is so much misinformation about what the last ban I don’t even know where to start.

1. It didn’t ban anything already in existance, it just stopped the sale of new items. You could keep all your old 30 round mags.

2. It was worded so poorly you could take some rifles on the list and replace the stock, then they were magically legal. Even though the rifle was essentially the same.

3. The article complains about Mexican gangs with “automatic” weapons. This ban has absolutely nothing to do with fully automatic weapons. You could still buy fully automatic rifles between 94 and 04. They just cost about 10 grand at a minimum since the registry was closed in 86.

I could go on and on.. ohh and it was written by Biden back in 94, so there is a good reason why it’s so completely idiotic.

The sad thing is the media will portray this as banning fully automatic weapons again and people might support it.

I guess it’s a good thing I lost my AR when my canoe tipped over on the Missouri river last year on that hunting trip.

Anyway, I’m tired of arguing about the function of weapons where are the cartels getting their weapons and if we trash our second amendment will it help Mexico?

http://www.stratfor.com/mexicos_cartel_wars_threat_beyond_u_s_border

No, the drug cartels are well funded and Mexico is corrupt. Many of the forces fighting for the cartel are ex-Mexican military or ex-police.

Why? Some for the money, some because its be corrupt or be dead.

Beyond the police commanders and officers who gladly accept money in exchange for providing the cartels with protection are those who face the choice between “plata o plomo” — “silver or lead” — meaning take a bribe or take a bullet. Second is the fact that federal and local security services are way outgunned — both in terms of the types of weapons used and the training level of the people using them.

The likely reason for the most dramatic changes between the drug wars of the past and the current intra-cartel violence is the makeup of the enforcing teams and the weapons they use. Though the cartels historically did their own dirty work, they now have started subcontracting out the violence to enforcers who apparently know no boundaries when it comes to who, how or where they strike

Or

the Gulf cartel hired Los Zetas, a group of elite anti-drug paratroopers and intelligence operatives who deserted their federal Special Air Mobile Force Group in 1991. The Sinaloa cartel, meanwhile, formed a similar armed force called Los Pelones, literally meaning “the baldies” but typically understood to mean “new soldiers” for the shaved heads normally sported by military recruits.

So Military people are deserting WITH THEIR WEAPONS to fight for the Cartel. What are their tactics?

Mexican drug gangs, who used the beheadings tactic for the first time in April, are sending a clear message that they are willing to go to any lengths to get what they want — and that anyone who gets in their way is doomed.

Another example of the escalation in violence is the Sept. 22 firefight in an upscale neighborhood of Nuevo Laredo between enforcers for the Gulf cartel and the security forces of an assassination target (presumably from the Sinaloa cartel). The engagement, which raged on for some 40 minutes and involved anti-tank weapons, hand grenades and automatic weapons fire…Los Zetas and Los Pelones are also known to possess and employ rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades and improvised explosive devices, and have used them in attacks in several parts of Mexico.

They behead people or attack them with anti-tank weapons, hand grenades, rocket propelled grenades and IED. They are not buying hand grenades, RPG”S or anti-tank weapons from the US. I will concede that pistols or rifles from the US do end up in Mexico, but, come on, if they can get an entire Special Forces Group and a large part of the police or military to join their side through bribes will disarming the US make them any safer. No, I don’t think so! Why are we even making that argument? Because there is an entire group of people that hate guns and are willing to embrace any excuse to do away with them. They call them scary names like assault weapon, demonize their ammunition, (cop killer bullets) or blame the US for the violence in Mexico, totally ignoring the much larger Mexican contribution to the problem. Banning “assault weapons” will not make the US safer or Mexico safer. You could melt down every gun in the US and the cartel would bribe the Army or police to get them or import the AK-47 from Russia. If you don’t think the Russians would sell them AK-47′s your nuts.

http://stash.norml.org/top-mexican-cop-charged-with-taking-450000-bribe-from-drug-cartel/
Bribing Cops

http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/19/america/19mexico.php
Bribing Cops

http://www.blnz.com/news/2008/02/08/Mexican_gangs_bribe_army_drug_0894.html
Mexican Gangs Bribe Army

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mexican-drug-cartels-behead-troops-1208536.html
Or you could capture troops, behead them , steal their arms and blame the Gringos! Its a win, win!

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/head-of-interpol-mexico-busted-for-drug-bribes/

Even Interpol, the vaunted International Police get on the bribe train!

See, its all America’s fault. We sell them weapons, if we got rid of the Second Amendment all of Mexico’s problems would wash down the drain.

By the way, the only plastic parts on a AR-15 are the barrel shrouds, stock and pistol grips. You can buy plastic mags but that’s your choice, nothing but metal for me. The rest of the weapon, both upper and lower receiver, the buffer assembly, the hammer and sear assembly, the bolt and bolt carrier, barrel, chamber, charging handle, forward assist and sights are metal.

Sub-machine gun, an individual automatic weapon that fires a pistol cartridge, like the Thompson-45ACP or the M-3 grease gun (the most worthless weapon I have ever fired) 45-ACP.

Automatic Rifle-Individual automatic weapon that fires a full sized cartridge. Think the BAR from World War II or in a pinch your squad leader may tell a rifleman to act as the Automatic Rifleman. He will use his M-16. This is only in situations were you are trying to gain fire superiority, clearing trenches or houses.

Machine gun, crew served weapon firing a full capacity cartridge. M-240, M249, M-60 or M-2.

Everybody that has ever fired a weapon knows that regardless what someone may have posted that weapons that fire only one bullet with each pull of the trigger are NOT automatic.

HAHAHAHA! OMG. Is someone going to take this clown to task or not?

How about bolt action? Do you know why they call it bolt ACTION?

The term bolt action refers to a type of firearm action in which the weapon’s bolt is operated manually by the opening and closing of the breech with a small handle, most commonly placed on the right-hand side of the weapon.

You got it now, dunce? Bolt action is a manual action. Do you know what the opposite of manual is? AUTOMATIC.

Idiot.

I can tell you mine, ar.  Two consecutive bullets in the heart of a jack rabbit at around 50 yards with a slide action .22 with iron sights.  Pure luck.

Nice shooting dd. Any heart shot with iron’s is good in my book. Those Jacks sure do squeal if you don’t kill them right away.
I have an old .222 savage my daughter is going to learn to shoot irons with. After she gets those down she can use the scope.
I wonder if she’ll get booted out of school for bringing in the spent brass for show and tell?

Perhaps, giving way for compromise. You could say that automatic weapons are a classification, and that sub machine guns and machine guns are sub catagories. But in the end you still lose the battle by trying to make a distinction that single shot semi-autos, are not considered “automatic”.

Read and learn:

Automatic rifle is a term generally used to describe a self-loading rifle chambered for a rifle cartridge, capable of delivering both semi- and fully automatic fire. This “select-fire” capability, as well as the (general) use of magazine-fed rifle ammunition, differentiate it from other classes of automatic firearm such as the machine gun and submachine gun.

In many cases, however, it simply describes a rifle capable of self-loading, but not capable of automatic fire (i.e., semiautomatic). Depending on the expert and point in history, fully-automatic carbines and assault rifles are sometimes considered to be a type of automatic rifle, and at other times separated into their own categories.

As an example of the confusion, or at least differences in usage, there are books which feature a section for automatic rifles listing several semi-automatic self-loading rifles, but not a single fully automatic weapon.

So as I said, people are using the term automatic rifles, in a layman’s general term.

If one truly understands the history of the “automatic rifle”, you would know that the first made their appearance in WWI. And would today be classified as semi-auto.

The automatic rifle traces its roots to World War I, where the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) and Huot first appeared, to fulfill the function of the light machinegun in an infantry assault role; only the Browning entered service.

The Browning, was an automatic weapon that shot one bullet at a time. The term automatic originated as a term to describe it’s physical ACTION.

You just don’t get it Poofy.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Automatic_rifle

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Automatic_rifle

Greg,

I there are many on this thread, who are hung up on words and confusing them with types of classifications of weapons. You correctly link information that outlines types of weapons and the specific types of firing actions they are capable of.

Generally there are classifications of firearms in military use:

Assault Rifles
Light Machineguns
Submachine Guns
Sniper Rifles
Shotguns

All of these types of weapons can be automatic, semi automatic or single shot. Some can even even manual bolt action, pump action.

What we have here, are laymen who are using generic terms.

2H9,
Hell of a shot my friend, hell of a shot!. I rolled a yote with my .223 AR last august on a full run left to right. Hit him just above the heart. It was only 115 yds though.
2 years ago I dropped my whitetail @ 450 yds with a 20 mph cross wind. 26-06 rem 700, one shot DRT. I was pumped, but I’m not to shy to say luck was involved with that wind.
I would say the best shooting I ever did was last summer with my DPMS carbine .308. I popped 3 clay pigeons @ 400 yds within 30 seconds with 4 shots with a 3×9 scope and $12.97 a box Federal power shock 150 grn ammo. I also hit some bigger jugs @ 500 but with that scope it took about 5 shots to hit one. I have a 4.5×14 on it now, can’t wait to take some long shots.
I harvested 2 deer with my .308 this season but the shots were only 225 about 175. Both deer were DRT. 2 deer you say? Yea, my friend wounded his and I had to finish it after he lost line of sight.
I’m starting to reload now, I’ll see how truly accurate I can be this summer. Ain’t America great!

One shot, one kill. That is all you need as an American today for hunting

Easily achieved with a semi-automatic AR-10 .308 “assault weapon” or other semi-automatic “assault weapons” M-76 .308 by Mitchell Arms. Its all in the shooter, not the weapon. Why do you think the default setting for an automatic rifleman is on semi? One shot, one kill, that’s where that saying came from. US forces place a lot emphasis on fire discipline and accurate shooting. We try not to do “spray and pray” anymore, auto fire is for fire superiority, area targets or fire suppression. Your average rifleman is looking for that one shot, one kill moment. That’s why they drill it into your head, aimed or accurate fire is much more suppressive than indiscriminate fire, one shot, one kill. You would walk around singing: see, sight, breathe, relax, aim, squeeze, until it was second nature. Notice the word AIM. A rifleman that can’t shoot is worthless! Anyway, you get the point, BRM (Basic Rifle Marksmanship) was fun, drilling the importance of aiming, trigger squeeze, breath control and sight picture was not. We did the dime-washer drill, everyday after training was completed in the August sun, out on the parade ground at Benning, with our three drill sergeants screaming at us and in more than one case being attacked by ants. I couldn’t wait to get on the range and actually shoot something. After that, I have a great appreciation for, one shot, one kill.

PHOENIX, Arizona: The Mexican agents who moved in on a safe house full of drug dealers last May were not prepared for the firepower that greeted them.

When the shooting was over, eight agents were dead. Among the guns the police recovered was an assault rifle traced back across the border to a dingy store here called X-Caliber Guns in Arizona.

Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges that he sold scores of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers who supplied a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa, fueling the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year.

Buy American, Buy Union Made… the job you save might be your own.

Don’t you have some knees to break? It beats posting a story about criminals who could care less about some un-constitutional semiauto rifle ban.
What is it gonna take for you Demorat fucks to realize criminals don’t recognize gun control laws? Oh I forgot, Dems don’t believe in the 2A, “the people” means the national guard not individual American citizens.
Maybe America should try banning bats so union thugs wouldn’t use them to force people to join unions.

Not one Conservative could bring themselves to admit that auto-matic weapons can be bought in American, and are being smuggled across the Mexican border to arm drug lords and out arm the Mexican government.
Hannitized on February 27, 2009 at 09:55 am

Fully automatic weapons can only be bought with a special permit. Nothing in Buzz’s story said FULL AUTO.