Obama To North Korea After It Fired The Missile: Stop Or I’ll, Um, Say Stop Again

Proof  •  April 5, 2009

Now, would have thought that North Korea, after hearing the Obama Administration’s “warnings” would ignore the Light Worker Weight and go right on ahead and shoot their missile anyway?

North Korea broke U.N. rules once more by testing a rocket that could be used for a long range missile.
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“Words must mean something. The world must stand together to prevent the spread of these weapons. Now is the time for a strong international response. North Korea must know that the path to security and respect will never come through threats and illegal weapons,” he said.

Well….that showed them, didn’t it?
Every half baked crackpot dictatorship on the planet was watching how we would react to this. And what they saw has plastered indelible smiles on their faces. Obama did….nothing. Other than call on the UN to take action, that is, which is a joke in itself. (See Saddam Hussen and Darfur.)
Like Obama said during his campaign, words, just words. And in his case, useless words.

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  • http://Array Mark

    And please, if you manage to get yourselves another war, send as many republicans as you can to fight it. All of them if possible. Every last young republican asshole should go.

    Republicans and conservatives will be the first in line to fight! The libs will be hiding under their desks!

    There is no liberal on the war front. They head to Canada!

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus Last Best Hope

    the last piece of food on earth will be fought over…not shared.

    this is the reality liberals do not understand about the human condition…and because they don’t, the chances of war increase expodentialy when liberals hold national power as they do right now.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Here’s another point for you conservatives who think we should spend even more than the 21 cents of every tax dollar that we already spend on the military.

    You think that anti-poverty programs need to be scrapped because we still have poverty, right? That’s despite the fact that anti-poverty programs are not designed to end poverty but reduce it and alleviate some of the most detrimental effects on the poor, homelessness, hunger, etc.

    So here we are, spending many times what any other country spends on “defense”; amazing weaponry, America is armed to the teeth with no one coming close to being as powerful. All that came at incredible expense to other priorities.

    Then a few guys with BOXCUTTERS managed to penetrate that defense and attack two huge symbols of American economic dominance and bring them to the ground. BOXCUTTERS.

    Using conservative logic the defense programs FAILED miserably and need to be scrapped. What do you say, cons, can you get behind that idea?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob
  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Don’t forget too, that 9/11 occurred with a republican in the White House and republicans in control of Congress.

    Osama bin Laden got the idea for the attack when reagan (may he burn in hell) decided to flex America’s muscles and turn Beirut into rubble.

    You can trace almost any conflict and horrible outcome to a conservative either in this country or another one. They don’t know how to live among humans.

    I think I’ll repeat this:

    Don’t forget too, that 9/11 occurred with a republican in the White House and republicans in control of Congress.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    likwidshoe! You stepped up to the plate and offerd a course of action.

    A shoot first, ask questions later type of action.
    Now suppose because, the North Koreans invade South Korea as retaliation. What to do next? War in Afganistan, war with Korea, war with Iraq. Can we handle it?

    My father fought in the Korean war. He says the United Nations could not win the war at the time due to the Chinese and Soviets helping the North Koreans, and the antiamericanism of many South Koreans.

    Doing nothing is not a way to handle this.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    But is that what r180 did?

    Was he lying then or is he lying now?

    I voted for him…

    robert108 on November 7, 2008 at 08:41 am

  • dawneyr

    Prayer is very much recommended.

    Agreed.

  • Buzz

    Obama should of attacked NK like bush did after they popped the nuke, to show how strong we…….. wait a minute, bush didn’t do anything but ask the UN to adopt more sanctions against NK.

    So what is it exactly you want Obama to do?

  • Bodhi

    No one should do anything to North Korea except cut off any and all aid and just simply quarantine the country. Kim Il Jong is nothing but a spoiled child that is throwing yet another technological tantrum to ensure he gets what he wants, which is more aid. The problem this administration and the past have is placating this tyrant.

    If they wanted to shut him up permanently, an embargo (supported by China) would cause the people to eventually rise up and get rid of this asshat when they get hungry enough.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    My guess is that R108 did the same thing I did — did not vote for the McCain-Palin ticket but left that part blank and wrote in Palin in the write-in section.

    So what he says is possible.

  • Pilgrim

    You are just playing politics.

    Yeah, you’re right, I am.

    Since the previous tests UN sanction have been enacted. Not before thests. After. And they mean….what?

    And speaking of playing politics, wasn’t it under Clinton that the NK’s were given the technology to set up their nuclear program in the first place?

    Just asking.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    You people can speculate on what caused the attack, when it was planned, what kind of shoes Clinton was wearing on Dec 3rd, 1997, if sunspots were present or if the tides were low on 9/11.

    The fact remains, the attack occurred when bush was President and charged with protecting the US. HE FAILED.

    Saying that he prevented subsequent attacks is meaningless.

    If you’re going to blame Obama for the meltdown in the financial sector that occurred when he was not even in office, then bush gets 9/11.

    See how that works?

  • docdave

    Yeah, sanctions really work don’t they? How well did they work for Saddam? Hardly slowed him down a bit as he bargained with the corrupt UN to get what he wanted. At some point in any situation you are challenged to put up or shut up. Obama are you listening?

  • Bat One

    I always find it fascinating at the contortions lefties go through to deny and justify the lack of Obama’s leadership in everything.

    R108,

    When you possess no principles, consider questions of right and wrong relative, and decry religious faith in the name of tolerance and inclusiveness, all you’re left with is equivocation, expediency, and rationalization. The contortions you speak of are congenital.

  • robert108

    MZ: Despite little ribby’s lies and cherry-picked bullshit, I voted for Sarah, like I said I would. Little ribby just doesn’t ever have any valid arguments, so he has to keep telling the same lies over and over again. He really should be pitied.

  • Rezistik

    I felt safe under 8 years of Bush, now,I don’t know.

    Why wouldn’t you, why with gitmo and the PATRIOT ACT, the world would obey us and goddamn like it!!

    Or, and this is the truth, his administration fostered antiamericanism abroad and will result in many more trials for all future presidents…

  • robert108

    LC: Clinton also gave missile guidance technology to the ChiComs; where do you think the Norks got theirs?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Then again, on topic this time, I called (hell BIDEN called) early on, that Obama was in over his head and will embarrass us internationally and militarily.

    Mannnn he hasn’t wasted ANY time in doing both.

  • Rezistik

    Dino, shut up already…the planning for 9/11 took years and years. Yeah it happened under bush’s watch but it is no more fair to say it was caused by him or allowed by him, you’re hurting the overall discussion by repeating the same thing, work on todays issues not yesterdays failures.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Mickey: Your cartoon should be labeled “Yes, we can!”

  • pparets

    AND BY THAT LOGIC, THE DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED – 2007 to 2009 – CONGRESS MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.

    You’re an idiot.

  • Lioncourt

    Clinton gave them the nuke technology, in exchange for their promise to only use it for “peaceful purposes”.

    Once you become a physicist I will listen to you. But the type of reactors we gave them cannot be used to make nuclear warheads.

  • Lioncourt

    And speaking of playing politics, wasn’t it under Clinton that the NK’s were given the technology to set up their nuclear program in the first place?

    No, it was the A. Q. Khan network out of Pakistan.

  • Mark

    Bullshit, you haven’t tried to give him a chance at all. If you really thought that this would be an opportunity. He hasn’t done anything different than what has been done the last 8 years.

    Like the libs gave Bush a chance?

    I felt save under 8 years of Bush, now,I don’t know.

    I’m old enough to remember the Carter years, and Clinton.

    They sold out America, trying to be friends with the world.

    And now we are paying for it.

    Obama will have a major test in his administration. Is he and his chicago thugs up to it?

    I think not

  • Pilgrim

    Of course, the world was such a sweet place before there was a US. Everybody held hands. No war. Folks lived on roots and berries and exchanged flowers.

    Then…along comes America and POOF! War! Greed! Hatred! Drug abuse! Crime!

    It’s all America’s fault. Thanks for pointing that out to me, Dino, because I had thought that human beings had always been human beings.

    You’re such an incredible child. Do me a favor….comment on someone else’s posts.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    The attack occurred under bush.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    It is patently absurd to blame republicans or democrats for an event nearly a decade in the making and unprecedented in it’s execution.

    You mean like blaming Obama for the economic meltdown that nearly a decade of republican rule brought us?

    The fact remains, the 9/11 attack occurred while bush was in the White House and republicans ran Congress.

  • Rezistik

    Obama’s weakness and submission to Islam invites attack.

    Our setting up American-friendly dictatorships and monarchies via force and funding is what invited the attacks.

  • Fatalerror94

    So what is it exactly you want Obama to do?

    Well, I will tell you what I don’t want; I don’t want Obama to what until are cities and towns have been flatten by the bomb before he decides it’s time to take action. Or worse, disarm us so we are utterly vulnerable to the likes of North Korea and possibly soon, Iran.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Dino, you just confirmed that you don’t like the USA.

    He did that a long time ago:

    No, seriously, I HATE this country and think it should disappear. No more united states. It’s the cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s like a cancer.

    Just split it up and let it lose its power. Done. Finished.

    DINO on January 13, 2009

    That’s far from the only kind of comment he’s made in that regard.

  • ellinas

    Scaredy cats, these cons/neocons. All this, is a manifestation of their fear.
    When asked what they would do, they offer nothing concrete or doable.
    Or empty generalities like the nutcase called robert180 aka shit-sandwich eater: “We want Obama to exhibit some leadership, or step down so that we can get a real American leader as President.”

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    ellinas – Scaredy cats, these cons/neocons. All this, is a manifestation of their fear.
    When asked what they would do, they offer nothing concrete or doable.

    You don’t seem to ask and then when someone does answer, you gloss over it.

    Personally, I think we should have finished the war back in the 1950′s. Instead, we have the perfect UN-styled stalemate where there is no winner and where conflicts and hostilities fester.

    What should we have done today? We should have shot that sucker down on the launchpad to show both North Korea and the rest of the world that we’re not pissing around.

    Now here’s where you’re typically a “scaredy cat”…

  • docdave

    By the way, lefties…nice jump from Obama’s weak, meaningless rhetoric to blaming Bush.

    They’re a one trick pony. That’s all they got and they have the audicity to call that ‘debate’. i.e. Bush did it too.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Of course, the world was such a sweet place before there was a US. Everybody held hands. No war. Folks lived on roots and berries and exchanged flowers.

    Don’t blame me that you can’t handle the truth about the nuclear age and how America is the only country to ever use nukes. EVER.

    I won’t even go into the fact that this country has had it’s fingers in every conflict of the last century everywhere in the world, overtly or covertly. And actually, we’ve been at war, hot or cold, with someone continuously since the country was formed. We need enemies. They define who we are.

    Far from being a world leader for peace and good, we’re a leader for conflict and aggression. it’s incredibly naive to think that we can stop the rest of the world from getting what we have particularly considering we’re the ones who let the genie out of the bottle. The fear we have of someone getting hold of nukes and using them on us (a nearly impossible feat with our defenses and early warnings) is what we deserve for unleashing this horror on the world.

  • Mark

    Where you going to go,Dino, when the USA ceases to exist!

    Can you fend for yourself without any more government handouts!

    I think you are a legend in your own mind. In other words, a complete, classless loser.

  • Lioncourt

    Pilgrim,

    What pisses me off is that you don’t hold Republican leaders to the same standard as Democratic leaders.

    NK fired numerous rockets over Japan in the last 8 years and I don’t remember you ever having an post on it.

    Kim Jong-Il has not changed is policy because Obama is President and you know it.

    You are being dishonest.

  • cgbest

    The ever embarrassing BarryO dosn’t have the ability to fufill his new job in even the simplest and peaceful of circumstances much less now. The only leadership decision he has made prior to being put into the presidency was Illegally handing over his donor list to acorn. But this is typical of someone so unexperienced. It may be that he just didn’t realize the NK’s didn’t have the phone # when Hillary pleaded on national tv for them to “give us a call”, or maybe the line was busy?

  • TomTom

    I see buzz and Dino , our resident Queers, are trolling again. Where’s verterbra?

  • Pilgrim

    You are being dishonest.

    No, Lioncourt, I’m not., at least not judging by the standards of the left.

    The left ripped Bush for everything he did and are giving Obama a pass.

    By the way, I was critical of Bush on many issues but national defense wasn’t one of them. At least he didn’t bow to a king of a third world seventh century hell hole like your hero just did.

    So…forgive me if I’m less than enchanted with the Light Weight. I tried to give him a chance for the first weeks, waiting to see, hoping, actually, that he would be better than some were predicting.

    He’s not. He’s worse.

    I’m not being dishonest. I’m calling it as I see it. Piss you off? Too bad.

  • Rezistik

    Of course, the world was such a sweet place before there was a US. Everybody held hands. No war. Folks lived on roots and berries and exchanged flowers.

    Then…along comes America and POOF! War! Greed! Hatred! Drug abuse! Crime!

    It’s all America’s fault. Thanks for pointing that out to me, Dino, because I had thought that human beings had always been human beings.

    You’re such an incredible child. Do me a favor….comment on someone else’s posts.

    Way to blow an argument out of the water…

    the last piece of food on earth will be fought over…not shared.

    Why are conservatives in such a rush to get to this end of the world anyhow? Humans should be productive animals…there should be no last piece of food. Of course on present course we’ll be killing each other for scraps…

    The U.S. has been cause for many dictatorships and created a good many of the threats we seek today, maybe it is time we attempted to bury the hatchet. We need to be visionaries of capitalism and freedom, not warbearers. If we are to eliminate all threats we must make the people of other countries envy us, we must make them wish for our freedoms. And then we can provide them with assistance to revolt. This is the way to make an American friendly world, not through war but through patience and prosperity.

  • robert108

    Obama’s weakness and submission to Islam invites attack.

  • Rezistik

    By the way, I was critical of Bush on many issues but national defense wasn’t one of them. At least he didn’t bow to a king of a third world seventh century hell hole like your hero just did.

    So…forgive me if I’m less than enchanted with the Light Weight. I tried to give him a chance for the first weeks, waiting to see, hoping, actually, that he would be better than some were predicting.

    He didn’t bow to a king because Bush and the Saudis are good friends and business partners.

  • robert108

    Forget assessing why they hate us…

    Already known; it’s called the Koran, and it was written in the 7th Century. It calls for the elimination/enslavement of all who don’t submit to Islam. This is the justification for Islamic terrorism. They can’t compete with us either socially or economically, so they must “kill all the infidels” to impose their way of life on the world. They have been murdering, torturing(real torture, not interrogation) and taking over countries since medieval times, and have only ever been stopped by overwhelming military force(read up on the Gates of Vienna and Charles Martel). Islamists have murdered their way through the Middle East, parts of the Far East and Eastern Europe.
    It is idiotic to believe that we are responsible for their choice to be murderous, imperialistic and violent. It’s in their religion, fool!

  • Rezistik

    Simplest thing to do is take out their Dear Leader. One tactical nuke, maybe a quarter kilo, right on his place as he’s sleeping. Demonstrate his weakness by taking him out with a button press. Let the North Koreans figure it out.

    I disagree with the method but the idea is one of the better ones. The trick is we can’t allow other nations to know we killed their leader, we have to assassinate him from the inside. If we kill him, he becomes a martyr for his people, if it appears one of his people killed him and we set the stage for a small intense civil war and we do our best to limit any rations they have we can swoop in and save the day.

    That of course has the possibility of back firing or simply building a future problem that we would have to assess and fix again.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    OK. Then – using your logic – the fact remains that the economic melt-down occured during the two years of the dem’s control of congress and accelerated after Obama won the election

    Bush was President. He’s a republican. Bush and the republicans ran the whole show from 2001-2007 when the damage was being done.

    Congress doesn’t have the veto and democrats had one vote in the Senate over half.

    Is everyone in your burg as dumb as you? See how your idiocy comes back to bite you?

  • Pilgrim

    the last piece of food on earth will be fought over…not shared.

    Well said.

  • Bat One

    terrorists are regular people who see themselves forced into a position to bring about a world they understand to be better, they fight for the wrong reasons most of the time but we are the ones who created the reasons. We have to assess why they want to attack us and fixes it.

    Dear God in Heaven, please assure me that abject fools like this are not permitted to vote.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The fact remains, the attack occurred when bush was President and charged with protecting the US. HE FAILED.

    Are you permanently stuck on stupid, Dimo? Did you even read anyone else’s comments?

  • Spartacus

    Attempt to invade their culture with western culture and keep our guns at the ready. War is not the answer to this question.

    No, handing them food is the answer, isn’t it? All the mooches want is a free handout from the tables of the rich, right? Why the fuck should they put effort into anything above subsistance rice farming when thye can waste funds on developing nuc(you)lear weapons for attention?

  • Rezistik

    Its probably a combination of youthful idealism and and the arrogance of an education untested by reality, but your notion that zealous mass-murderers can be negotiated into forswearing their evil intentions is both delusional and dangerous. All the more so because those most likely to pay the ultimate price for the delusion, like the 3,000 killed on 9-11, aren’t the ones who subscribe to the notion, but the innocent. There is no upside to negotiating with someone who views the negotiation as nothing more than an opportunity to re-arm.

    No, the murderous tyrants will always be murderous tyrants, they have to die. I am simply saying that throwing our soldiers at them won’t solve the issue if their populace hates us. If we continue to just shoot first ask questions later more and more dictatorships will rise in their place. We have to make the populace love us before we can actually topple the murderous tyrants. Instead we put soldiers to the fight and attempt to make them like us after the fact. It’s a philosophy of failure.

  • Bat One

    A Citizen,

    Swish is just making shit up… as usual. He has no more documentation for his claim about 9-11 and Beirut, than he has for any of his other witless drivel.

    There is, however, documentation that the unwillingness of the Clinton administration to confront Islamist terrorism and the cowardly withdrawal of US forces from Somalia encouraged more attacks against US targets. In the 1998 John Miller/ABC News interview with Bin Laden, Bin Laden explicitly states,

    … As I said, our boys were shocked by the low morale of the American soldier and they realized that the American soldier was just a paper tiger. He was unable to endure the strikes that were dealt to his army, so he fled, and America had to stop all its bragging and all that noise it was making in the press after the Gulf War… Proud of this destruction, America assumed the titles of world leader and master of the new world order. After a few blows, it forgot all about those titles and rushed out of Somalia in shame and disgrace, dragging the bodies of its soldiers. America stopped calling itself world leader and master of the new world order, and its politicians realized that those titles were too big for them and that they were unworthy of them. I was in Sudan when this happened. I was very happy to learn of that great defeat that America suffered, so was every Muslim.

    Clearly, Bin Laden and al Qaeda were “emboldened” by the Democrats’ retreat from Somalia (Blackhawk Down), a retreat ordered by Clinton at the direction of Congressman Jack Murtha.

    Dino is long on diatribes, but very short on substantive documentation for what he says.

  • Bat One

    The fact remains, the 9/11 attack occurred while bush was in the White House and republicans ran Congress.

    It is also a FACT that during the 8 years of Bill Clinton’s presidency, Islamist terrorists carried out successful attacks against US targets at the rate of nearly one every 18 months.

    By comparison, while the 9-11 attack was horrific, there were no more successful attacks against the US during the remaining seven and a half years of Mr. Bush’s presidency. None!

    To blame Mr. Bush for the 9-11 attack is gratuitous and stupid. But if you’re gonna blame him for 9-11 because he was the one in office at the time, then you have no choice but to acknowledge that, unlike his predecessor, he was responsible for the lack of any subsequent terror attacks.

    It’s called logical consistency… something for which those on the Left are not noted.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Of course some of your prosperity is directly linked to the existence of programs that allowed your family to preserve it’s wealth. They’re hardly self-sufficient.

    PS. I hate baseball.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    J Bob, perhaps breaking that into some paragraphs would get your points across better, as idiotic as they may be.

    You can’t justify using nukes against Japanese women and children. It was wrong.

  • J.Bob

    The fact remains World Trade 1 and the USS Cole happened when clinton was president and and charged with protecting the U.S. HE FAILED. FDR was president when Pearl harbor hasppened. HE FAILED. And see how cool it is when i use lower case letters, like you do, when writing the word ‘republican’ or ‘bush’? Doesn`t it make my argument so much better? “Saying that he prevented subsequent attacks is meaningless.” You didn`t just say something that stupid, did you? The fact that America wasn`t attacked and people weren`t killed is “meaningless”? Ok. I see what`s going on now- Your`re really a conservative writing as a libtard- trying to see how stupid you can sound and get people all lathered up. Well done on the stupid part.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Osama began planning 9/11 after reagan leveled Beirut.

    And as we all know, 9/11 happened on bush’s watch. bush’s defense department, bush’s intelligence-gathering community, bush’s control.

    See, you can’t escape that fact.

  • J.Bob

    “Don`t forget that 9/11 occurred with a Republican in the White House and Republicans in control of congress.” Don`t forget that the first World Trade towers bombing, which was like a dry run for the big one, came with Democrats in control of the W.H. and congress. And the Cole bombing came with a Democrat in control of the W.H. Oh, and what`s the one i always forget- oh yah- PEARL HARBOR happened with a Democrat in control of the W.H. But ok, you`re just an idiot. And i don`t believe that The Reps. controlled both houses till 2002, but it doesn`t matter. And 9/11 was just a result and a continuation of Clinton doing basically nothing after the first Trade Tower bombings. They thought we were pussies after Clinton. “…Get yourself another war- send as many Rublicans as you can to the fight.” Don`t worry, they do anyway-most of the military is Republican. But ok, let`s do a test. The next war, we`ll just send Republicans (as happens anyway). But only if during the next tax increase, it`ll be just Democrats sending in the bigger checks. They`re the ones that “want it”, right? We already know who`ll win that test, won`t we? Pussy Dems always want someone else to pay for their tax increases. My god, this is like arguing with a 10 yr, old! Your “logic” bites you in the ass again. Let`s see, what else- “America is the only country to use nukes.” Right. And it ended WW11 weeks later. What, you want more countries to “use nukes”? To use your phrase- “Remember, it was a Democratic president who gave the ok to drop those nukes.” It`s a good thing we`re the only ones so far. Our huge stockpile no doubt has detered others from using theirs up to now, but with the guy in office now appeasing everbody, you never know. “Adminisration fostered anti-Americanism abroad” Nice, but any facts to back that up? Numbers? Remember, the Cole and Trade Towers 1 happened under Clinton. You know, when we were so well liked. “The rise of AQ… Because of the populaces hate of America.” Again, any facts to back that up? No, idiot, they hate us because we`re free. Ever read passages from the Koran? It basically says convert, by any means, the world to Islam. You know, you guys must be geniuses. All scholars so far have missed the part in the Koran where it says kill Westerners, but only if George Bush or any Republican is in office. And by the way, I thought you Libs hated people who “hate”. Republicans who supposedly “hate” are evil people. But you give a pass on haters of America-why the double standard? You mean there could be exceptions to the “thou shall not hate” credo from the P.C. police? I see, only on your side. And finally, the one quote from our little high school debaters that sums up their skills- (from genius Dino) “More idiotic specultion and possibly the worst rationalization I have ever seen.” Pot, meet kettle.

  • Rezistik

    Actually, terrorists and commies are cowards; the vast majority of their victims are civilians. They depend on cowardly leaders like Carter, Clinton and Obama to try to appease them and run away from them. When a President stands up to them, like Reagan did, they fold up. This is a time for strength, not weakness. The terrorists and dictators of the world see Obama’s weakness, and think they can take us, with him in charge. Not a good thing.

    as long as we continue this us against them black n white meme we will be attacked on all sides…

    terrorists are regular people who see themselves forced into a position to bring about a world they understand to be better, they fight for the wrong reasons most of the time but we are the ones who created the reasons. We have to assess why they want to attack us and fixes it.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    I personally don’t blame bush for 9/11. I’m just rubbing your faces in it to illustrate that 99% of the posts on this blog which are about blaming Obama for the Depression are moot.

    Totally moot, like most things republicans say and believe.

    Sure was fun yanking your collective chains. Or stems, as it were.

  • Rezistik

    No, handing them food is the answer, isn’t it? All the mooches want is a free handout from the tables of the rich, right? Why the fuck should they put effort into anything above subsistance rice farming when thye can waste funds on developing nuc(you)lear weapons for attention?

    Food? I was thinking House, Watchmen, iPhones and Megan Fox…but I suppose food might…just might…work almost as well…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Sorry Batty, 9/11 occurred under the bush presidency with the bush defense department, bush intelligence community (is that an oxymoron?) and the bush administration in charge.

    Oh, and republicans were in control of Congress and had been for years.

  • robert108

    I always find it fascinating at the contortions lefties go through to deny and justify the lack of Obama’s leadership in everything. Lying little dinostem tries to distract by drooling nonsense about Clinton’s 9/11, as if that makes a speck of difference about how Obama’s weakness and submission to Islam is endangering us right now.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    First attack, second attack, third attack.

    None of that flailing about negates the fact that:

    9/11 OCCURRED WHILE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT AND CHARGED WITH PROTECTING THE COUNTRY.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    The minute that missle was fired it should have been shot down, oh course NOBAMA has no balls.

  • Bat One

    J. Bob,

    Ahem… you overlooked the bombings of the US embassy in Kenya, as well as the one Tanzania.

    Oh, and there was that Khobar Towers bombing as well. All attacks were carried out by Bin Laden’s al Quaeda, and all took place while Clinton was president.

    However, to be fair to Bill Clinton, he did manage to take out that Sudanese aspirin factory.

  • robert108

    Clinton enabled 9/11, with his cowardly approach to Islamic terrorism. Fact.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    And sure as God made fools like you someone would have used that device on us first if they’d developed it.

    More idiotic speculation and possibly the worst rationalization I have ever heard for nuking Japan.

    You conservatives LOVE conflict, HATE diplomacy and are some very sick people. Good to see you quaking in your boots over the idea of being attacked. Keeps you jerks busy.

    It’s you cons who have made America a target. Other countries manage to live in peace even sharing borders. You people can’t feel safe with two enormous oceans on either side, a country of a few million pacifists up top and a poor country we colonized down below. That’s why you constantly want to invade, conquer, kill kill kill. If we could only kill every one else in the world we could feel safe again! Problem is, people like you NEVER feel safe.

    I used to live adjacent to an upper class area in a midwestern city. Driving through the rich area I was amazed at the number of “KEEP OUT”, “NO TRESPASSING” and “WE HAVE AN ALARM” signs. Probably the safest place in the city and they lived in constant fear. America is like that. A rich country that lives in constant fear of invasion. And like those rich people in my old city, America is the one who is out fucking everyone over, trying to take what they have to feed their need for wealth, resources and aggression.

    America committed a crime against humanity when it used nukes against a civilian population. America deserves to live in fear as a result.

  • Mickey

    Egad, what a dildo you are dino…

    OK let’s use your reasoning; this economic meltdown is happening during Obama’s watch and in your words, he “WAS PRESIDENT AND CHARGED WITH PROTECTING THE COUNTRY.” so I guess it is his entire fault.

    Jesus you are a moron. You act as if events happen like the flip of a switch. If the next act of aggression from these Islamo Fascists happens under Obama you had better make sure you credit him alone you dumb bitch.

  • ellinas

    likwidshoe! You stepped up to the plate and offerd a course of action.
    A shoot first, ask questions later type of action.
    Now suppose because, the North Koreans invade South Korea as retaliation. What to do next? War in Afganistan, war with Korea, war with Iraq. Can we handle it?
    My father fought in the Korean war. He says the United Nations could not win the war at the time due to the Chinese and Soviets helping the North Koreans, and the antiamericanism of many South Koreans.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    And obviously the same would apply to yours.

    I’m not the one claiming that everyone in my family dies before tapping into the programs.

    mild recession that occurred at the end of the Bush prosperity years.

    That right there negates anything meaningful you might say, however rare. It’s ridiculous. I would bet even the other stems here couldn’t defend that statement.

  • Rezistik

    Wrong again! No dictatorships would have been better, but “American-friendly” is better than “American-unfriendly”. The reality is that Carter’s cowardice invited the takeover of Iran, Clinton’s cowardice invited two attacks on the WTC and the buildup of AQ, and Obama’s submission and cowardice will undoubtedly invite more attacks. We didn’t make them into medieval, murdering savages; they chose that path when other paths were available.
    You need to learn some history, kid.

    No, the American friendly dictatorships made the populaces unfriendly to Americans and opened us up for criticism resulting in the people being lead by new tyrants, this of course resulted in American unfriendly dictatorships. The rise of AQ is a result of the American friendly dictatorships, because of the populaces hate of America they flourished.

    If we are to topple NoKo we have to win the populace. Not simply run in guns blazing screaming America, fuck year, repeatedly

  • Lioncourt

    So…forgive me if I’m less than enchanted with the Light Weight. I tried to give him a chance for the first weeks, waiting to see, hoping, actually, that he would be better than some were predicting.

    Bullshit, you haven’t tried to give him a chance at all. If you really thought that this would be an opportunity. He hasn’t done anything different than what has been done the last 8 years.

    The minute that missle was fired it should have been shot down, oh course NOBAMA has no balls.

    What makes you think we have anything that could have shot it down?

    We can’t shoot down our own test missiles and we know where and when they will be fired.

    Would it have looked better if we tried to shoot it down and missed?

  • robert108

    Our setting up American-friendly dictatorships and monarchies via force and funding is what invited the attacks.

    Wrong again! No dictatorships would have been better, but “American-friendly” is better than “American-unfriendly”. The reality is that Carter’s cowardice invited the takeover of Iran, Clinton’s cowardice invited two attacks on the WTC and the buildup of AQ, and Obama’s submission and cowardice will undoubtedly invite more attacks. We didn’t make them into medieval, murdering savages; they chose that path when other paths were available.
    You need to learn some history, kid.

  • Pilgrim

    It’s obvious that Dino’s purpose has nothing to do with contributing to debate in any meaningful way. Just the opposite, in fact.

    His purpose is to disrupt the thread with obstinate far left nonsense, not understanding any point but his own, a vindictive Ignatius Reilly without the IQ.

  • rdz

    The only thing we could do is continue doing what Obama did. I’m not an Obes fan at all – but, this is the way of the peaceful world. Like with Hussein, you continue issuing ultimatums and sanctions until they just go too far – kind of like here in the US. Folks in this country without documentation and proper permission, they are known as illegals and there are laws against that, and has resulted in deaths to legal US citizens. There are also laws against not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. Which one really gets enforced?

  • Pilgrim

    Moron. Do you think we were the only ones seeking to develop a nuclear weapon?

    Here’s a news flash. We weren’t. We just got there first. And sure as God made fools like you someone would have used that device on us first if they’d developed it.

    Somebody needs to tell all those people trying to get into this country and leave their own enlightened paradises behind, millions a year, how much it sucks, eh?

  • robert108

    No, it was the A. Q. Khan network out of Pakistan.

    Another lie from you; Clinton gave them the nuke technology, in exchange for their promise to only use it for “peaceful purposes”. Clinton is responsible for the current mess, which is compounded by Obama’s weakness and lack of leadership.

  • Bat One

    Pilgrim,

    Yes, but Reilly is interesting.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Still haven’t managed to wipe away the fact that the 9/11 attack occurred while bush was President.

    And for another fun fact, the largest peacetime loss of miitary life in our history was the attack on the Beirut barracks when REAGAN was President. He sure high-tailed it out of there in a hurry after that!

    I wonder how Osama viewed that little retreat? We shouldn’t have been there in the first place but you know how republicans like to throw their weight around and get the US into trouble. Iraq ring a bell?

    Congratulations on discovering the concept of the paragaph, Bob.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    I don’t suppose pointing out that the alternative would have been an invasion of Japan. The resulting casualties would have been horrendous, much, MUCH more than perished in the atomic attacks.

    Pure bullshit speculation with a healthy dose of justification, sprinkled with rationalization. I highlighted that for you.

    Why not let all wars end sooner with nukes? I mean, what’s good for America should be good for everyone, right?

    America used nukes. The only country to ever do so. Good that they quiver in fear. Payback is a bitch.

  • Mickey

    FBO

  • http://vdvfamily.com/ Sphagnum

    It was nice knowing we had a president with huevos before….

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Clinton gave them the nuke in the first place.

    No, it was Carter. The Community Reinvestment Act forced the defense department to give nuclear weapon technology to underprivledged countries. Then Fannie & Freddie forced the banks to give North Korea the loans to develop their own nuke. The republicans tried to stop it but Barney Frank’s boyfriend worked for the North Koreans and stopped the republicans, who controlled Congress at the time, from regulating Fannie & Freddie.

    It was all dem social engineering for the “noo-Q-Ler” age.

  • Mickey

    “Words must mean something.”

    Barack Obama

    “Words, only words.”

    Barack Obama

  • robert108

    I voted for Sarah, like I said I would, lying little ribby. When you lie, I smack you with the truth.

    But the type of reactors we gave them cannot be used to make nuclear warheads.

    The fuel can be, which is the point, bullshitter. Reactors aren’t used for nuclear weapons; it’s the fuel. Nice leftie lie, though.

  • robert108

    We want Obama to exhibit some leadership, or step down so that we can get a real American leader as President.

  • Rezistik

    There is no liberal on the war front. They head to Canada!

    There *are* no liberals

    or

    There isn’t a single liberal

    Mark you’re the reason liberals consider conservatives uneducated…

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Clinton’s dereliction of duty is well documented in the book by the same name. Written by an Air Force Lt. Col. who carried the “football”. Disgusting excuse for President of the United States of America. BHO seems to be – coming a close second.

    Stop, or I’ll ….. il… say stop again! Typical UN type.

    Chief it’s funny how the lefties don’t get this concept. They want to blame Bush for everythign but in reality it’s Clinton’s misdeads that led to our attack. I have less confidence in BHO, he is like Jimmy Carter on steroids.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    And please, if you manage to get yourselves another war, send as many republicans as you can to fight it. All of them if possible. Every last young republican asshole should go.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    As long as people want to blame Clinton for 9/11 that happened after he left office or Obama for the economic meltdown that happened before he took office, I will point out the inconsistent logic.

    Don’t forget to remind your aged relatives to cash their SS checks and get those health care bills into Medicare.

  • Mark

    There *are* no liberals
    or
    There isn’t a single liberal
    Mark you’re the reason liberals consider conservatives uneducated…

    Nit picking aren’t you? I have an 11 year old granddaughter who corrects my grammar all the time. How old are you?

    I am quite educated. Liberals make me type before I think.

    But, you sir, are perfect in all regards. Thank you for pointing out my error in grammar.

    Now, can we get back to why we are here?

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus Last Best Hope

    if you want peace, prepare for war. If you want to be attacked, bow before your enemy.

    we live in very dangerous times and our leaders are children. Prayer is very much recommended.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    How long is that “tape loop” you use? This is getting old. Don’t be late for work, your higher payroll taxes are waiting.

    That is why I am hoping that Rob would add the ignore troll option on this blog. DINO1&2 et al adds nothing to the discussion.

  • pparets

    As we now know from the 9/11 Commission Report, the planning of the World Trade Center attack took nearly 8 years. It is patently absurd to blame republicans or democrats for an event nearly a decade in the making and unprecedented in it’s execution.

    This was an American tragedy, period.

  • Rezistik

    As we now know from the 9/11 Commission Report, the planning of the World Trade Center attack took nearly 8 years. It is patently absurd to blame republicans or democrats for an event nearly a decade in the making and unprecedented in it’s execution.

    This was an American tragedy, period.

    Gotta agree, we can go back and forth on that issue of blame game forever. Let us debate who set the stage for the war in iraq and our current weak position in the world. It was cons btw.

  • Rezistik

    if you want peace, prepare for war. If you want to be attacked, bow before your enemy.

    we live in very dangerous times and our leaders are children. Prayer is very much recommended.

    The problem is, we aren’t prepared for war because our forces are spread so thin. Bush’s fault…

    Your black and white war or peace bow or kill argument doesn’t hold up in the real world. If we are to have peace we need to make the populaces of our enemies love us. We must make them distrust their own government and instincts and in doing so we will secure ourselves better then any dictatorship could ever do

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Idiot, Bid Laden felt strenghtend after 8 years of Clinton pussyism!

    Speculation that doesn’t change this:

    Don’t forget too, that 9/11 occurred with a republican in the White House and republicans in control of Congress.

    Clinton kept it from happening on his watch. That’s also speculation but I wanted to show you how that game is played.

  • Mark

    Yeah, like Dick “deferment” Cheney, George “rehab” Bush or Rush “ass-pimple” Limbaugh.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    Let’s don’t forget the draft dodger, Clinton, and our own Obama, who both had no experience with the military.

    Your argument is lame, as you are!

  • Bat One

    Swish,

    Just curious. Where’s the documentation for your ridiculous claim that Bin Laden planned the 9-11 attack in retaliation for President Reagan sending the Marines into Beirut?

    I’ve already shown referenced the ABC/Bin Laden interview in which he states that al Quaeda was “emboldened” by the US retreat from Somalia ordered by Clinton. Got anything supporting your contention about President Reagan, or were you just blowing smoke again?

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Clinton’s dereliction of duty is well documented in the book by the same name. Written by an Air Force Lt. Col. who carried the “football”. Disgusting excuse for President of the United States of America. BHO seems to be – coming a close second.

    Stop, or I’ll ….. il… say stop again! Typical UN type.

  • Mark

    The problem is, we aren’t prepared for war because our forces are spread so thin. Bush’s fault…

    That’s so much bullshit!!!!!!

    Our military has been spread thin since after WW2.

    The wimpish countries in this world do not know how to protect themselves and rely on the good old USA.

  • J.Bob

    World trade 1 and The Cole happened under Clinton. He Failed. “No subsequent attacks is meaningless.” So no innocents killed is meaningless? Ok. I see- to write anything so lame you must really be a conservative writing as a libtard to rile the troops. Good job on the lame part.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Republicans and conservatives will be the first in line to fight!

    Yeah, like Dick “deferment” Cheney, George “rehab” Bush or Rush “ass-pimple” Limbaugh.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    you can’t escape that fact.

    Just as you, Dim Dem Stem, can’t escape the fact that 9/11 was the second World Trade Center bombing, the first occurring on Bill Clinton’s watch.

    You’re pathetic, dimstem.

  • Bat One

    Dino, shut up already…the planning for 9/11 took years and years.

    Finally… something sensible. Eminently sensible!

    This response, however,

    So we should just throw soldiers at the issues?

    is the epitome of simplistic nonsense, and unworthy of any sort of serious discussion, however sarcastically it may have been intended.

    In the first place, someone who is willing to die in exchange for the opportunity to kill innocent non-combatants should be exterminated before he can complete his mission.

    More importantly, we already know the why. There is no secret to why the Islamists wish to destroy Western civilization. That goal was was established well over a thousand years ago.

    Its probably a combination of youthful idealism and and the arrogance of an education untested by reality, but your notion that zealous mass-murderers can be negotiated into forswearing their evil intentions is both delusional and dangerous. All the more so because those most likely to pay the ultimate price for the delusion, like the 3,000 killed on 9-11, aren’t the ones who subscribe to the notion, but the innocent. There is no upside to negotiating with someone who views the negotiation as nothing more than an opportunity to re-arm.

    Killing, even is self-defense, is not something to be undertaken lightly. But abandoning that option is tantamount to surrender.

  • robert108

    Clinton gave them the nuke in the first place. He claimed it was a “peace deal”. You see how well that worked out. Obama fails yet another leadership test.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Clinton’s dereliction of duty is well documented in the book by the same name.

    Yeah, it’s true because it was in a book.

    There have been several books written about the bush administration’s inattention to the threat which led to 9/11. Are they true too?

    And when did 9/11 occur?

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus Last Best Hope
  • Jbob

    Actually, i think he`s been inhaling too much smoke. “Christians were doing it (killing) just as much or more during this time (Crusades,ect.)” Maybe, maybe not.But if true would prove our point. Christians aren`t doing it now. ISLAM STILL IS. They haven`t evolved from the Middle Ages. And from Darwin, that which doesn`t evolve must…..?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    And as we all know, r180 knows his shit:

    The more I investigate McCain, the more firmly I am convinced that I cannot vote for him, as a matter of principle. He’s a shit sandwich I just refuse to eat.

    By robert108 on June 22, 2008 at 03:50 pm

    I voted for him…

    robert108 on November 7, 2008 at 08:41 am

  • Rezistik

    Already known; it’s called the Koran, and it was written in the 7th Century. It calls for the elimination/enslavement of all who don’t submit to Islam. This is the justification for Islamic terrorism. They can’t compete with us either socially or economically, so they must “kill all the infidels” to impose their way of life on the world. They have been murdering, torturing(real torture, not interrogation) and taking over countries since medieval times, and have only ever been stopped by overwhelming military force(read up on the Gates of Vienna and Charles Martel). Islamists have murdered their way through the Middle East, parts of the Far East and Eastern Europe.
    It is idiotic to believe that we are responsible for their choice to be murderous, imperialistic and violent. It’s in their religion, fool!

    Christians were doing just as much killing during this time period if not more, what about the crusades and the inquisition?

    I have many Muslim friends, none of them want to convert or kill me…

    They don’t hate us because their religion tells them to, they hate us because we have attacked them, they hate us because we set up American friendly dictatorships.

    R108 you have no grasp on words or facts or anything…your some extremist anarchic fool sitting comfortably behind his computer screaming repeatedly about marxism and lefty lies, was your dad a lefty and you just hate all lefties cause he left you? Is that it? Does someone have some daddy issues?

    Bin Laden didn’t attack us because his religion told him to, he used his religion to get others to attack us. He wrote that they would be justified, but that wasn’t the reason for attack us. If the populace didn’t hate us so much we wouldn’t have to worry about attack from anything but a handful of extremists.

    If we are to secure domestic safety we have to make the people of other countries either depend on us or love us. Dependence is less volatile but harder to accomplish. So we are left attempting to invade their culture, using the same “lefty” things that cons hate so much, we have to show them freedom and equality and all sorts of awesome things. If the majority of the populace is American-friendly we have nothing to fear from dictators.

    The problem is, when we set up our dictatorships, they caused problems in the populace. Extremists seized these feelings to topple the regimes, then they used the same America-hate to justify attacking us. It’s cause and effect, it’s simple.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Ok Robbie-stem, do this. Shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.

  • Mark

    Don’t forget too, that 9/11 occurred with a republican in the White House and republicans in control of Congress.

    Idiot, Bid Laden felt strenghtend after 8 years of Clinton pussyism!

  • Mark

    The fact remains, the attack occurred when bush was President and charged with protecting the US. HE FAILED.

    Kept us safe for the rest of his administration, moron!

  • Mark

    Obama wants to be loved by the whole world.

    Like Clinton, it’s the narcissist in him.

    And unfortunately, like Clinton, he will never go away!

    Give me a cowboy over a chicago bum anytime.

  • pparets

    The fact remains, the 9/11 attack occurred while bush was in the White House and republicans ran Congress.

    OK. Then – using your logic – the fact remains that the economic melt-down occured during the two years of the dem’s control of congress and accelerated after Obama won the election.

  • Pilgrim

    By the way, lefties…nice jump from Obama’s weak, meaningless rhetoric to blaming Bush.

    Yeesh.

  • Pilgrim

    Dino historian, said:

    Maybe if the Great Satan hadn’t used nukes to cook 400,000-plus Japanese women and children it wouldn’t have unleashed this horrible thing upon the world.

    I don’t suppose pointing out that the alternative would have been an invasion of Japan. The resulting casualties would have been horrendous, much, MUCH more than perished in the atomic attacks.

    The civilian population was largely prepared to fight as was the military – to the last man and woman.

    But, hey – let’s not let facts get in the way of liberal talking points, eh?

  • Mark

    Lets bring all our troops home from every country in the world. And we will see how much they scream.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    But Citizen, we’re talking about 9/11. You can blame Clinton for the first attack. Fine with me. Clinton was a weak Wall Street shill who was cowed by the ignorant republicans. I won’t defend his policies.

    but the fact remains:

    9/11 OCCURRED WHILE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT AND CHARGED WITH PROTECTING THE COUNTRY.

  • Mark

    America used nukes. The only country to ever do so. Good that they quiver in fear. Payback is a bitch.
    Dino2 on April 5, 2009 at 02:27 pm
    Page

    Dino, you just confirmed that you don’t like the USA.

    Priceless. Now let our brave troops keep your sorry ass alive!

  • Lioncourt

    They did similar tests when Bush was President and even tested a nuke. Where was your outrage than? How come you didn’t call Bush weak when the North Koreans did that?

    You are just playing politics.

  • robert108

    The attack occurred under bush.

    As a result of eight years of Clinton’s enabling of AQ.
    The hijackers entered during Clinton; AQ grew in strength during Clinton; the Clinton policy of sequestering intel prevented the hijackers to escape discovery while they trained for their mission.
    Your ignorant reliance on superstition is noted, dumb little dinostem.

  • pparets

    Dino tries to move the goal post…

    Bush and the republicans ran the whole show from 2001-2007 when the damage was being done.

    My comment was made in direct response to this…

    Don’t forget too, that 9/11 occurred with a republican in the White House and republicans in control of Congress.

    When I said…

    It is patently absurd to blame republicans or democrats for an event nearly a decade in the making and unprecedented in it’s execution.

    Is anyone in PORTLAND as dumb as you are?

  • Rezistik

    Let’s invade them. Preemptive wars, the American way!

    Or bomb the hell out of them if we use nukes than the other country’s will be too scared of us to use their nukes!!1

    America, Fuck Yeah.

    Of course the intelligent answer is to destroy them economically, the same way we did with the Soviet Union. We fund anti-NoKor guerrillas and do our damnedest to disallow trading with NoKor. Attempt to invade their culture with western culture and keep our guns at the ready. War is not the answer to this question.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    But the attack- it occurred under bush.

    The economic meltdown occurred under bush also.

  • pparets

    Anyone who reads it, with half their brain firing…

    … as yours no doubt was…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    So, how many of your relatives have sucked resources out of the system?

    Probably as many as yours which is to say all of them who made it to eligibility age. Despite your protestations and vapid claims of “self-sufficiency.”

    Or would you prefer not to talk about those sort of facts?

    I have no problem with it. Seems like you do.

  • docdave

    So we should just throw soldiers at the issues? Forget assessing why they hate us, forget that just keep killing them and torturing them and blwoing them up! that’ll make us safe.

    Gad, how you must hate this country you post this crap so many times. Yada, yada, yada, it’s all Americas fault. Now that it’s clear how you feel why don’t you STFU!!

  • robert108

    Actually, terrorists and commies are cowards; the vast majority of their victims are civilians. They depend on cowardly leaders like Carter, Clinton and Obama to try to appease them and run away from them. When a President stands up to them, like Reagan did, they fold up. This is a time for strength, not weakness. The terrorists and dictators of the world see Obama’s weakness, and think they can take us, with him in charge. Not a good thing.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    So what would you like Obama to do, conservatives? Invade NK, spend another couple trillion taking over another country? Are we going to take over every country that wants to progress technologically?

    Better get out yer wallets, it’s going to cost some bucks!

    Maybe if the Great Satan hadn’t used nukes to cook 400,000-plus Japanese women and children it wouldn’t have unleashed this horrible thing upon the world.

    America should be cowering in fear for what they did many years ago. It’s their punishment.

  • robert108

    As long as people want to blame Clinton for 9/11 that happened after he left office or Obama for the economic meltdown that happened before he took office, I will point out the inconsistent logic.

    As usual, little dinostem, you are confused. The cause and effect logic for the two matters are different. Clinton’s actions clearly enabled AQ to launch a second attack on the WTC, while Obama’s war on acheivement and capital formation obviously caused a deepening of the mild recession that occurred at the end of the Bush prosperity years.
    Despite your ignorance, the two are not related, in any way.

  • Rezistik

    Dear God in Heaven, please assure me that abject fools like this are not permitted to vote.

    We are…

    So we should just throw soldiers at the issues? Forget assessing why they hate us, forget that just keep killing them and torturing them and blwoing them up! that’ll make us safe.

  • Bat One

    Forget assessing why they hate us, forget that just keep killing them and torturing them and blwoing them up! that’ll make us safe.

    An assessment worthy of Jimmy Carter and Neville Chamberlain.

  • robert108

    Dumb little dinostem: I don’t do things the way you do them. Now, wash your hands, moron.

  • robert108

    The fact remains, the 9/11 attack occurred while bush was in the White House and republicans ran Congress.

    Superstitious little dinostem continues to believe that coincidence proves causation. Clinton is responsible for 9/11; he failed to destroy AQ after they bombed the WTC in ’93, he ignored AQ for his entire administration, allowing them to grow in size and power to the point where they could bring their operatives into the US to launch their second attack on the WTC. Cause and effect, dumb little dinostem. Read up on it, since you seem to have no understanding of how it works.

  • sayanything-2483

    First attack, second attack, third attack.
    None of that flailing about negates the fact that:
    9/11 OCCURRED WHILE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT AND CHARGED WITH PROTECTING THE COUNTRY.
    Dino2 on April 5, 2009 at 06:21 pm

    First attack, second attack, third attack.
    None of that flailing about negates the fact that:
    other than 9/11 all the previous attacks OCCURRED WHILE clinton WAS PRESIDENT AND CHARGED WITH PROTECTING THE COUNTRY.
    See how that works!!!!

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Dino, if war comes to the US as you seem to think we deserve, I personally volunteer to throw you in front of the first bullets from the enemy. I’m sure everyone at SAB will want to draw straws for the honor if the people of Portland don’t hang you from a streetlamp as a traitor first.

    Simplest thing to do is take out their Dear Leader. One tactical nuke, maybe a quarter kilo, right on his place as he’s sleeping. Demonstrate his weakness by taking him out with a button press. Let the North Koreans figure it out.

    The world’s not a pretty place and this is what humanity is capable of. You either accept what kind of animals you can be, deal with it with honest appraisal, or spend more time waiting to be overcome by an enemy you fatally underestimated. Exterminate the leadership, issue an ultimatum to the remainder. Peace and reunion with South Korea and ashes and bones. One hour. Make it snappy.

    Against an encouraged aggressor, pacifism is suicide. Obama is encouraging the aggressors.

  • sayanything-2483

    The fact remains, the 9/11 attack occurred while bush was in the White House and republicans ran Congress.
    Dino2 on April 5, 2009 at 05:21 pm

    The fact remains that it was all planned out while CLINTON was in the white house, not to mention the first attack on the WTC in 1993.

  • sayanything-2483

    And all the preparation and planning took place while clinton was in office.

    Don’t forget to remind your aged relatives to cash their SS checks and get those health care bills into Medicare.
    Dino2 on April 6, 2009 at 07:37 am

    And obviously the same would apply to yours.

  • sayanything-2483

    DINO1&2 et al adds nothing to the discussion.
    goon on April 6, 2009 at 07:39 am

    Come on, don’t you think it’s entertaining watching him try to walk with those clown shoes??

  • sayanything-2483

    Of course some of your prosperity is directly linked to the existence of programs that allowed your family to preserve it’s wealth. They’re hardly self-sufficient.
    PS. I hate baseball.
    Dino2 on April 6, 2009 at 08:25 am

    My “prosperity” was earned through no ones efforts other than my own. What was “preserved” was by taking steps that would not allow the government to be able to get their hands on $$$ saved.

  • sayanything-2483

    Totally moot, like most things republicans say and believe.
    Dino2 on April 5, 2009 at 06:29 pm

    We also believe you’re mentally ill, but that too is a moot point.

  • sayanything-2483

    The fact remains, the attack occurred when bush was President and charged with protecting the US. HE FAILED.
    Dino2 on April 5, 2009 at 06:18 pm

    The fact remains, the FIRST attack occurred when clinton was President and charged with protecting the US. HE FAILED.
    See how that works?!?!?!?

  • sayanything-2483

    I have no idea what my relatives do. But, not far fetched to think that they received what they put in. And again, your envy of the self sufficient is blatantly obvious. Now, don’t be late for work, I’ll be at the Diamondbacks home opener today. It’s what a “self sufficient” guy can do.

  • sayanything-2483

    I’m not the one claiming that everyone in my family dies before tapping into the programs.
    Dino2 on April 6, 2009 at 07:58 am

    Sorry that my parents deaths didn’t fit into your scheme of things.
    So, how many of your relatives have sucked resources out of the system? Or would you prefer not to talk about those sort of facts?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    The 9/11 commission report was bullshit. Anyone who reads it, with half their brain firing, will agree.

  • sayanything-2483

    Osama began planning 9/11 after reagan leveled Beirut.
    And as we all know, 9/11 happened on bush’s watch. bush’s defense department, bush’s intelligence-gathering community, bush’s control.
    See, you can’t escape that fact.
    Dino2 on April 5, 2009 at 05:57 pm

    Using your reasoning, as warped as it is, then you have to also have to put blame on CLINTON’s defense dept, CLINTON’s intelligence gathering and CLINTON’s control. I’m also curious, as is everyone else how you could know that Bin Laden started planning 9/11 during Reagan. Do you have a source you can link to? Or are you just making this shit up as you go along?

  • sayanything-2483

    The attack occurred under bush.
    Dino2 on April 6, 2009 at 07:17 am

    How long is that “tape loop” you use? This is getting old. Don’t be late for work, your higher payroll taxes are waiting.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Rez:

    If we kill him, he becomes a martyr for his people,

    You vastly overestimate their love for him. It’s a cult. Cults thrive on being closed off from outer society because external uncontrolled ideas counter the ones they obsessively seek to maximize to maintain their emotional state against the counter force within telling them they are full of shit. As their conscience and fear mount they have to get ever more extreme, and take stronger and stronger measures to keep their number away from the outside. It’s sort of like a game of musical chairs and the song is Pop Goes the Weasel and it just gets faster and faster and faster.

    Destroy him, break the song, smash the chairs, wake them up. Jump them past the synthesis point to the next paradigm letting the old one fade. Dislocate the mental and emotional chain. Fail to take out enough of the leadership and another game will start up.

  • sayanything-2483

    terrorists are regular people …
    Rezistik on April 5, 2009 at 06:53 pm

    I don’t know any “regular people” who are into beheading and still living with a 12th century mentality.

  • sayanything-2483

    The first attack in 1993 occurred under the clinton presidency with the clinton defense department, clinton intelligence community (is that an oxymoron?) and the clinton administration in charge.
    Dino2 on April 5, 2009 at 06:04 pm

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