Obama To Fox News: Accounting Is An “Inexact Science”

Proof  •  November 20, 2009

I’ll be sure to use that one the next time I get audited.

President Obama brushed off criticism over his administration’s inaccurate reporting on job creation Wednesday, telling Fox News the accounting is an “inexact science” and that any errors are a “side issue” when compared with the goal of turning the economy around. He said job growth is his No.1 responsibility.
The president was responding to criticism from Republicans, as well as Democratic Rep. David Obey, who drew attention to embarrassing errors on the Recovery.gov Web site that tracks stimulus funding. The site is under fire for claiming a number of jobs were created from the stimulus in congressional districts that don’t exist and accepting unrealistic and inflated jobs data from various sources.

A side issue. As in unimportant.
Hundreds of billions of your dollars being spent without an accurate accounting for where the money is going and what the spending is accomplishing. But that’s a side issue.
Easy thing to say when you’re spending other people’s money, I guess.
Here’s the video of the full interview.
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  • http://Array sayanything-12

    LOL. Lioncourt is now having trouble with five letter words like “trade” in the English language.

    Rob, I can’t even squint my eyes and make believe he actually thinks what he is saying is true himself.

    He also is too frucking lazy to do his own research, even Wikipedia:

    Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning “knowledge”) is, in its broadest sense, any systematic knowledge-base or prescriptive practice that is capable of resulting in a prediction or predictable type of outcome.

    Not only is accounting a science, it is one that evolves in time. Accounting practices get modified in accordance to observed data, and evolve as technology itself evolves.

    But keep acting like an ignorant fool if your Wild Turkey addled mind thinks it makes you look cool. Means nothing to me.

  • sayanything-2407

    If the IRS audits my tax records and they question my accounting methods, techniques or numbers, can I use the explanation that “accounting is an inexact science as a defense? Or is this explanation reserved for Tim Geithner, Tom Daschle and Charlie Rangel?

    ND, i would agree with what you say if those people you listed actually PAID their taxes – so it would not come up since they would never be audited.

  • sayanything-9974

    You really don’t understand to you – call it a dog turd if you want. It is just cover for more Chicago style fraud.corruption and lies. You are so worried about the meaning of the word science, and if it was contextually correct, that you forgot that there are billions and billions of dollars mis-reported and fraudulent employment statistics being thrown around. Time to call a spade a spade. Open and transparent government is not on display – more like Democrap politics as usual (how can we fool’em today). You should be mortified to see such fraud and deceit commited by your party. Perhaps that is the biggest distinction between the parties – Republicans would be embarrased of a man performing atrocities like this, and the Democraps marvel at how clever he is. Have you no shame or are you just stupid?

  • sayanything-3960

    Numbers are numbers and they always add up the same way.

    I didn’t even have to go to college to learn that.

    Well I doubt you graduated at all.

    But you certainly don’t understand the complexity of going on. There are tens of thousands of institutions that have to report and not all will do it on time.

    But you probably understand this, but you don’t care because you are a political hack.

  • sayanything-3960

    Dumbass, do you understand what the word accounting means?

  • sayanything-12

    I have now posted on it.

    It’s here.

  • sayanything-342

    Accounting Is An “Inexact Science”!!!

    That explains his choice of Geitner.

    What a bafoon. I have some accounting for you Barry. Here it is: 10.3% unemployment, 8,000,000 jobs lost because you can’t get the job done. You do the math dummy.

  • sayanything-3960

    BTW, your new commenting system sucks. You make it hard to quote others, or put things in bold or italics. You should go back to your old system.

  • sayanything-2407

    c’mon carrick you should know better. Lawyers are paid to twist facts to fit their reality to get what they want.

  • sayanything-3960

    He’s got you lioncourt. Accounting can be used to make all sorts of predictions in business.Rob, you are too ignorant to be in this conversation.

    Look up the definition of what an accounting is. It is analysis of what has already happened. By its very definition it is not a science.

  • sayanything-5371

    Now we know why Obama can’t be accountable for anything.

  • sayanything-12

    M.. wrong thread. LOL.

  • sayanything-12

    Nice parse, Lioncourt. If I squint my eyes I almost can believe you really meant what you said.

    Look up the word “science”, it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    Yes accounting is part of a “science” and it is definitely an exact one.

    Anything that needs a college education and a license to practice isn’t considered a “trade”, by the way. You’re a lawyer wannabe, you should understand words have meaning.

  • sayanything-3960

    You should grow up and get a job and pay some taxes and figure out how the real world works.

    Dude, I am fairly sure I pay more in taxes than you do, and probably more than you ever will. Stop your BS.

  • sayanything-287

    Accounting is beautifully exact.

    Well except when you try and calculate things like “jobs saved,” I mean how do you accurately calculate something that is beyond knowing!

  • sayanything-12

    I’ve been outed Rob. >.>

    From now on you can call me Patrick.

    I was gonna out Lioncourt in revenge, but for some reason every time I run my background checker, it shows him living in his parents basement. I dunna what’s wrong with it.

  • sayanything-12

    Sparkie:

    I still maintain, with Bat One, that accounting is not science. Making a prediction does not make something a science.

    Nonetheless, accounting does fit the requirements for being a science, and is fact so-called within that field.

    Search for “Accounting sciences”. You’ll find plenty of hits.

  • sayanything-12

    Sparkie:

    Science can be retrodictive or postdictive as well

    m… well I was just being lazy and throwing down the Wikipedia definition. Science is a rather generic term, people tend to force it to a specific type of science (physical sciences) as you did above when you claimed math wasn’t a science. You want to sneer? Get a mirror.

    The testable aspects of a science are of course its capacity to predict. It’s through prediction and comparison with reality that the precepts of that science get tested and adjusted.

  • sayanything-43

    Post on it, please.

  • sayanything-795

    Why didn’t The Won just come out and say “math is hard.”

  • sayanything-342

    Well, there are two types of accounting. The first type is where accuracy keeps your records straight and then there is government accounting where everything is just fabricated on lies. Obama has never really worked in the private sector so he has no experience in the former accounting principle.

  • sayanything-4422

    Figures don’t lie, but liars figure!

  • sayanything-12

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    BTW, Lioncourt: a) people use accounting practices because it makes the outcome of their business activities more predictable and b) Obama is still an idiotic boob, yes we’ve noticed and all of your argumentative nonsense hasn’t changed that.

  • sayanything-2

    And spark? There is nothing “inexact” about accounting. Ask the IRS. Or any accountant, for that matter.

  • sayanything-9974

    You really have to twist like a pretzel to follow that mularkey. You can define it any way you want. It’s kind of like when Bill Clinton told us “that depends on what the meaning of the word is, is”. You are worried about semantics over infinite amount of decimal places.

    We are talking about the 12 to 15 figures on the left of the decimal point. Your dictionary definition may impress the pointy headed intellectual types so save it for them. Yor are worried about pennies and everyone else is discussing Billions of dollars.

    Your argument is as pointless as your definitions. Personally I find mathematics to be more like a language. A very precise and accurate language. The numbers don’t Lie. But the Liberals do.

    No matter how you spin it – Obama and the Chicago on the Potomac gang are unable or unwilling to give an accounting for the money. Why is that – unless there is something they have to hide. Surely that would not be the case. I remember quite clearly that Obama declared his intention for open and transparent government.

    Hope and Change -indeed

    Typical Dem/Lib – If his lips are moving, you can be assured he is lying.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    Actually, Rob, Rush is of the opinion that Obama created the “stimulus package” to be a gigantic slush fund for political payoffs, and that makes a lot of sense. His sales pitch was that it was needed immediately to “rescue” the economy, but very little of it has been spent.
    Clearly slush fund behavior. Get a big chunk of money by squealing “crisis!”, then sit on it and dole it out to your political cronies.

    Another indication is that the “stimulus” was not read before passage, and its contents are still not public information. Wonder why?

  • sayanything-12

    LOLOLOL!!!!!!

    Gasp!

    ROTFLMAO.

    Today has been a day for true shaudenfreude. Hadley CRU (the major British climate center) has been hacked and it appears that Michael Mann and Phil Jones (for starts) have been caught with their pants down in a closet with the pope’s grandmother. So to speak.

  • sayanything-3960

    Such an intellectual snob you are.

    Accounting is a trade. I have no problems with it being highly compensated. But please, explain the science, it should be interesting.

  • sayanything-12

    Sparkie, short version is you’re wrong, I’ve explained why. This has nothing to do with any particular agenda of any sort, I am certain what I have said to be accurate.

    If you want to argue for the sake of it, try picking on Dino. He’s a belligerent idiot, and since he is a liberal in his mind only (fascist is a better description of him, using that word advisedly and in the correct sense), you have no fear of picking on one of the “good guys”.

  • sayanything-3960

    Now, to the point. Accounting is actually something that’s pretty exact. The government should be able to give us an exact accounting of where our tax dollars are going.

    You are actually too stupid to live.

    Can you give me an accurate accounting of Iraq? It should be easy.
    Can you give me an accurate accounting of Afghanistan? It should be easy.
    Can you give me an accurate accounting of the McCain campaign? It should be easy?
    Can you give me an accurate accounting of the tea party last night in Minot? It should be easy?

    Accounting is a trade and exact numbers are very difficult to get. And in the case of the stimulus package it takes thousands of entities to get their reports turned in on time.

    It is extremely difficult.

    By the way Carrick, has your University turned in all of its reports in on time?

    Carrick, I hope that you have not asked for any ARRA funds, because if you have you are a hypocrite.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    Wrong again, sparkie! Accounting has to do with price, not value. Duh.
    You lie again; I never said that value “can never be known”; in our system, the value of something is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. That’s why housing prices fell after the Dem social engineering bubble burst. Duh again.
    Accounting is not “part of science”, either. You’re just wrong all around, as usual.

    Perhaps you have confused “value” with “estimated future value”. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt, which you have yet to earn.

  • sayanything-3960

    Jesus Christ Carrick, by the very definition you give of science, accounting is not a science.

    Though you should be ashamed of using wikipedia as a resource.

    By its very definition “accounting” does not make predictions. It is an analysis of what has happened or in other words an “accounting.”

  • sayanything-12

    Lioncourt, you don’t know a d@mned thing about accounting, as your continuous stream of trenchant nonsense reveals.

    Now would be a really good time for you to STFU&GTFA.

  • sayanything-4398

    Just ask the CPAs of the world that had to take their test to PROVE they could be very exact

  • sayanything-2407

    Making a prediction does not make something a science.

    In this I agree with you Sparkie.

    If prediction was science then fortune tellers and Nostradmus would be scientists.

  • sayanything-12

    Here’s criticism from an expert in the field. Thought it was worth sharing. There are literally hundreds of firestorms in the diagnostic profession over this blooper of a study.

    But no problem with Mike and Sparkie defending it, shills for centralized, government wipes our a$$ for us that they are.

    “Mammography is not a perfect test, but it has unquestionably been shown to save lives—including in women aged 40 to 49,” said Dr. Carol H. Lee, chair of the ACR’s Breast Imaging Commission. “If Medicare and private insurers adopt these incredibly flawed USPSTF recommendations as a rationale for refusing women coverage of these life-saving exams, it could have deadly effects for American women.”

    Since regular mammography screening began in 1990, the mortality rate from breast cancer, which had remained unchanged for the preceding 50 years, dropped by 30%, ACR and SBI said.

    Don’t worry though. The White House assures us only poor women will be affected by this decision.

  • sayanything-2407

    Well I doubt you graduated at all.

    Actually LC, YOU brought up his education first.

  • sayanything-2407

    Sparkie states:

    Notice that Rob only demands the government account for expenditures when its something that a democrat does. Yea.

    I believe you are incorrect in your assumption on this also Sparkie.

    I’m not going to defend Bush’s record as President because I do think it’s been pretty bad. Bailouts? Expansion of government entitlements? Expansion of government in general? A refusal to use his executive veto powers to slow spending? There are a lot of very good reasons to dislike Bush, and to think he’s been a bad President, but the worst President in history?

    Link

    Rob hasn’t bowed down and worshiped at the altar of Bush like some of you seem to be doing with Obama. Rob criticizes where he thinks Bush is wrong as seen in what I quoted from Rob above.

    I have yet to see any kind of objectivity coming from the left when it comes to Obama. You act as if he can do no wrong and accuse Rob of only criticizing democrats. Again, you are incorrect.

  • sayanything-9974

    I think you need to spit the Dic(k)tive out and quit gargling teabags. The money, Billions of Dollars, has not been tracked by the man who promised us no pork, line by line review of legislation and open and honest government. Maybe if I get an IRS audit I will tell them that accounting is not an exact science. I have a feeling that won’t go so well. That ploy only works for cabinet appointees and others Dem/Libs who are allowed to tax evade.

  • sayanything-3960

    BTW Rob, I don’t think you are stupid.

    I think you are dishonest.

  • sayanything-3960

    Not that I need to prove anything to stupid punks like you.

    Dude, you are the one who brought up your education and you are also the one who started personal attacks.

    I am sure you will make money lying on the radio, just like you lie on this blog.

    Dumbasses will eat it upl

  • sayanything-2

    Accounting IS and inexact science to leftards. Just look at them spinning and lying in this thread.

  • sayanything-3960

    lockquote>,BTW, Lioncourt: a) people use accounting practices because it makes the outcome of their business activities more predictable and b) Obama is still an idiotic boob, yes we’ve noticed and all of your argumentative nonsense hasn’t changed that.Gee Dr Patrick Carrick, shouldn’t you resign your position in protest. I believe that the AFOSR is giving out huge amounts of money in ARRA funding. You are opposed, as long as it doesn’t hurt your bottom line.

  • sayanything-2407

    But pointing out something wrong with the government, and the amount of vitriol added when pointing something wrong are two different things. And that disturbs me.

    I believe this may be in part due to the unprecedented forcing of things on the American people that is this unpopular.

    That the American peoples representatives are failing to listen, not just failing, but outright telling their constituents it doesn’t matter what they want, they are going to do it how they think it should be done.

    That at no time in history has their been such a blatant bias and cheerleading from the actual media that is suppose to be separate from government and not act as if they are paid for their opinions and coverage by the government. The media is suppose to be the watchdog for the people – investigating, digging into policy decisions, votes, corruption in the government, back room deals, ect. But most seem to be content being cheerleaders and lapdogs for this administration. The watchdog of the people has had their fangs removed and their bark has been silenced.

    Perhaps the people’s vitriol is justified.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    “Accounting is a trade and exact numbers are very difficult to get.”

    Nice try at changing the subject, LC, but epic fail. Accounting just tabulates and arranges the numbers that exist; it doesn’t “get” them.

    If you don’t have any factual or logical arguments, best to remain silent, rather than make a fool of yourself with irrelevant personal attacks.

  • sayanything-3960

    Actually LC, YOU brought up his education first.

    He said he didn’t have to go to college to learn that.

    But he insulted me numerous times before I made the comment about his educations.

    Maybe you’re just young and have more to learn. Or maybe you’re just a loser.

    You should grow up and get a job and pay some taxes and figure out how the real world works.

    My goodness, just give it up moron. You’re so far out in left field its hilarious.

    But I will accept that Rob is a pussy who will insult people than whine when people say anything about him.

  • sayanything-12

    Sparkie you need to look up what the meaning of “exact” is. Math is all about exact statements, and even numbers like 3.14159… have exact prescriptions for computing that number to an arbitrary number of digits.

    You’re confusing the representation for the thing. cos(pi/7) may not be represented with a finite number of digits in base 10, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an exact value for this quantity.

    And yes math is a science. Full name for the field is the “mathematical sciences”. They are different from the “physical sciences” which include both theoretical and empirical components to them.

  • sayanything-3960

    Carrick, are you actually arguing that accounting is an exact science?

    I would have thought you had more pride in what a science was.

    Of course accounting isn’t an exact science, it is a trade.

  • sayanything-203

    Obama is once again demonstrating the shallow paucity of his knowledge. Accounting is not a science, and it is anything but inexact.

    As for that “Nr. 1 responsibility” … job growth, he ain’t doin’ so well there either.

  • sayanything-12

    (Lioncourt, my first name isn’t Patrick. That was a joke. I knew I had to explain that to stoner types like you.)

  • sayanything-2

    And yet you support the Obama Admin and Democrats in Congress no matter how much they spend, support them 100% and refuse to criticize at all no matter what they do.

    And”Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt?”

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    Obama’s belief about accounting explains a lot about his “economic policies”.

  • sayanything-2407

    Also, show me where I have ever acted like Obama could do no wrong.

    The better question is, show us where you have actually criticized Obama. We have already seen where the left will defend him regardless of what he does – I would like to see objectivity in criticizing him when it counts or is warranted.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ Pfeh

    Accounting is beautifully exact. Debits equal credits. Modern accounting is a system set up with built in integrity checks at every step of the way. Sure, you can do it wrong, but doing it right is freshman level. Not hard, and certainly not too much to expect.

  • sayanything-3960

    Yes accounting is part of a “science” and it is definitely an exact one

    Maybe so, but I wouldn’t file a patent on any accounting process.
    It wouldn’t be accepted.

  • sayanything-2407

    I didn’t say anything about him insulting you, just the matter of who brought up his educational background first.

  • sayanything-2407

    Obama To Fox News: Accounting Is An “Inexact Science”

    I wish they would have responded by asking him what he got for a grade in accounting at college.

  • sayanything-2407

    There is nothing wrong with the system if you know what you are doing.

    You seem to know what you are doing since you are doing it correctly partially, just not paying attention to what you are doing and making mistakes.

  • sayanything-2407

    LC then you should be ashamed for using them also.

    Those are quotes from William J. H. Boetcker. Your research sucks. It took 5 seconds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._H._Boetcker

    Lioncourt – 05:05pm on 05/10/2009

    Those in glass houses should not throw stones at other people’s glass houses…..

  • sayanything-3960

    There is a difference between exactness IN PRINCIPLE (which is what you are talking about) and exactness IN PRACTICE (which is what Obama and Rob are talking about).< .blockquote>BS Sparkie, stop trying to give him a way out. Accounting by its very definition is not science.

    While we would all like to believe that all the ARRA spending is perfectably trackable, it is really impossible.

    Carrick, is your University perfect in its reporting? However I’m sure you have not taken one dollar in ARRA funding. Not you, not your lab, not any of your students. Am I correct Carrick?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    No I am for accurate accounting in all government spending including war spending.

    I just don’t think government incompetence when it comes to spending necessarily trumps foreign policy concerns.

    But I’m intelligent and not blinded by partisanship like you, sparkie, you faux intellectual.

  • sayanything-81

    Rob
    Math is not an exact science. Or a science.

    Unless you want to use infinite decimal places, which is impossible, math is not exact. One must always stop somewhere and round up or down. Do you know what an ERROR BAR is? Yea? How about a DEVIATION?

    Perhaps you should read something factual for a change.

    Also, math is not a science. Science is an empirical activity which establishes facts based on empirical support (be it quantitative (think Physics), descriptive (think Darwin), or so on…). Math, on the other hand, is a priori; e.g. we can have knowledge of math that is not based on experience or observation of the world around us. Science is not like that.

    Glad I could clear that up for you.

    Carry on with your lying.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I don’t think Carrick was being a snob. He just knows that words mean things. “Learn a trade.” “I’m a tradesman.” These terms have specific meanings.

    Now we all get a little inspecific at times. “I’m an accountant by trade.” But since you like to be such a pedantic little twit when its convenient we’re going to point out what an idiot you are.

    Now, to the point. Accounting is actually something that’s pretty exact. The government should be able to give us an exact accounting of where our tax dollars are going.

    They can’t. Because they’re incompetent. which is what we conservatives tell you liberals the time but you just don’t listen.

  • sayanything-81

    ROb

    You say: “I’m a tradesman.” These terms have specific meanings.

    The word “I” is what we call an indexical and it does not have a specific meaning.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indexicality

  • sayanything-453

    Those are the ones that got caught……..

  • sayanything-453

    Youy are getting pissed off there youngster!

  • sayanything-81

    Bullshit carrick. retrodictions can be verified with artifacts, etc. e.g. not just forward looking.

    the partisan garbage makes us both act like asses.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Patents? Seriously?

    Admit it. You’re just arguing this line because you don’t want to admit what a doofus the guy you voted for is.

  • sayanything-81

    Also CARRICK
    There is a difference between exactness IN PRINCIPLE (which is what you are talking about) and exactness IN PRACTICE (which is what Obama and Rob are talking about).

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Or maybe he’s just a dumb punk.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Of course he doesn’t think its true. He’s just making this nonsense up because he’d rather talk about tjaat then what an idiot Obama is.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Numbers are numbers and they always add up the same way.

    I didn’t even have to go to college to learn that.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Maybe he has, but Lioncourt is laughably off the mark.

  • sayanything-1317

    What would you like an accounting of Lion? The money spent in those wars? because the government DOES keep track of that, and there were huge hems and haws when money went missing (rightfully so). Indeed, it used to be a talking point of the left that the war needed to be accounted for more openly, instead of using tricks to keep it on the low.

    By including the minot tea party, you’re just throwing the word “accounting” to things and hoping it’ll stick.

    Moreover, you seem to be the only one who thinks that accounting can’t be used to predict anything.
    http://www.econ.upf.edu/docs/papers/downloads/277.pdf
    http://www.kelley.iu.edu/accounting/

    Accounting professionals are constantly adapting to new laws and using ever-improving technology to interpret numbers, tackle complex problems, and predict what the future holds. One thing that doesn’t change: accounting knowledge is always in demand. Accounting was recently named one of the 10 “most profitable” college majors for its numerous job opportunities and high starting salaries.

    One of the things accounting helps predict is company viability. Businesses use this years numbers to predict next years sales. It’s also used in predicting loss.

    Though I’m not sure why you think that it’s a good thing that the government can get away with something they’d jail an average citizen for….but on a scale hundreds of thousands of times larger.

  • sayanything-7743

    If the IRS audits my tax records and they question my accounting methods, techniques or numbers, can I use the explanation that “accounting is an inexact science as a defense? Or is this explanation reserved for Tim Geithner, Tom Daschle and Charlie Rangel? Based upon my experience, it seems they expect exact records rather than that “fuzzy math”Again, one standard for them and another for the rest of us.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Of course they’re not exact you twit. Have you even been reading the thread?

    Accounting meets the definition of science because it can be used for predictive analysis.

    But it can also be used to calculate exact figures from existing data.

    Two different uses of the same discipline.

    C’mon now. You claim to be a professor. I shouldn’t have to explain this stuff.

  • sayanything-453

    Why don’t you run along and let the grownups talk?

    I would. But I see no grown ups. You are still a toddler, moron.

  • sayanything-81

    Carrick
    Twist and spin. Accounting is not a ‘science’. Is hermeneutics a science? it can make predictions? i can make a website so that when you google it you have a hit, TART.

  • sayanything-81

    Carrick
    Touche. Accordance with a standard or convention can be considered ‘exactness’.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Exact
    I was thinking of facts, viz. accordance with the world. I maintain that 2+2=4 is not a fact, but a standard or convention (as pure math). 2 apples plus 2 apples is 4 apples, sure, and that’s a fact. In the first case nothing real is being talked about while in the second case, the numbers are being used to model apples (albeit crudely in this example). I took exactness to be a property of models which attempt to conform to facts about the world, and do so perfectly. I see that it is defined as accord with conventions or standards which provides room for math to be exact.

    Before you make fun of me for saying that 2+2=4 is a convention and not a fact, make sure you are not committing the reification fallacy. Numbers, remember, don’t exist. That are abstract entities, viz. symbols for relations, or whathaveyou. Not things in the world (world used broadly here). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)

    To get back to Rob’s claim. Rob (and Obama) was clearly using definition two in the Miriam-Webster link above. Exact, in that case is, “marked by thorough consideration or minute measurement of small factual details.” That is, exactness is a property of a model and the exactness of a model can only be determined by examining how it maps whatever domain or thing it is trying to map. When using exact in terms of definition two, math cannot be said to be exact. Math’s exactness hinges on the “accordance with a standard” or convention definition, as evidence by what you say. You even boldfaced EXACT PRESCRIPTIONS for me. You, then are using definition one to tell me that I am wrong about definition two.

    So Rob uses exact in one way and you equivocate to try to pull this one out for him.

    PS – Just to not muddy the water here…

    f*ck Obama.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Gtfa…that’s a new one for me.

    Anyway, in guessing Lion’s mom balances his checkbook for him.

  • sayanything-1317

    Accounting is only an “inexact science” to the government. In the real world, inexact accounting sends CEOs to jail.

  • sayanything-101

    Obama knows nothing about math; he’s a poly-sci major!

  • sayanything-453

    My argument, is not whether or not it is OK with the Obama Government to lie.
    It is not.
    The amount of vehemence, the vigorous impetuosity coming from the wing nuts is what disturbs me.
    True, some of them or a lot of them spoke against the republican spending of the last eight years.
    But pointing out something wrong with the government, and the amount of vitriol added when pointing something wrong are two different things. And that disturbs me.
    The amount of money the government borrows and spends always disturbs me.
    I am against it no matter who is leading the nation.

  • sayanything-2361

    Obama To Fox News: Accounting Is An “Inexact Science”
    And
    Anti-Abortion Language In Senate Health Care Bill Is A “Bookkeeping Gimmick”

    Methinks the two headlines are somehow related Rob.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Accounting is math. Math is, in fact, an exact science.

    Honestly. You can’t be that stupid

  • sayanything-453

    Bat One said:

    Accounting is not a science, and it is anything but inexact.

    Rob replies:

    Accounting is math. Math is, in fact, an exact science.
    Honestly. You can’t be that stupid

    And I say: Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha !

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I think Sparkie is proof of concept with regard to Twain’s warning that we not confuse education with intelligence.

  • sayanything-81

    so the non-scientific use of accounting is exact?

    yawn.

  • sayanything-81

    Rob

    “Accounting can be used to make all sorts of predictions in business.”

    and those predicitons are never exact. diachronic mathematical models are not exact except in what, physics and chemistry?

  • sayanything-4808

    He must have been quite the aficionado of lame excuses in third grade math if he believes that.

  • sayanything-81

    carrick has mentioned his job before

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Someone might want to tell Sparkie the child that Nobody is claiming that prediction alone makes something a science.

    That you have to resort to attacking this strawman is illustrative of just how stupid you really are.

    Ill net this line of argument works better in your imaginary classroom with your imaginary students, right professor?

  • sayanything-81

    Dear Rob
    If “I” is a term with a specific meaning, as you claim, will you please tell us what the specific meaning of “I” is? None found here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_(pronoun)
    or here
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/I

    Specific?

  • sayanything-1317

    OK, so the question still stands.

    Why should we be ok with the government doing something that we jail normal citizens for…but on a far larger scale?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Aaaand…..Lioncourt continues to try and distract from the fact that
    Obama is a moron. This time by attacking Carrick on some totally
    unrelated topic.

  • sayanything-81
  • sayanything-453

    Accounting……ENRON and Arthur Andersen………Cendant and Ernst & Young……….Microstrategy and PricewaterhouseCoopers………Computer Associates and KPMG…….. Xerox and KPMG……..Adelphia and Deloitte & Touche……AOL and Ernst & Young………Bristol-Myers and PricewaterhouseCoopers…….. CMS Energy and Arthur Andersen………Duke Energy and Deloitte & Touche……. Dynegy and Arthur Andersen…
    Global Crossing and Arthur Andersen……..Halliburton and Arthur Andersen……AIG and PricewaterhouseCoopers……Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities and Friehling & Horowitz……..HealthSouth Corporation and Ernst & Young, are some examples of the exact science of exactly how accounting was used to defraud you and me.

  • sayanything-81

    And if accounting is not a science, then Obama is right. It couldn’t be an exact science if it’s not a science.

    THE ONE is always right, btw.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    And now he changes the subject.

    Sad.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I do. I don’t think you do or you’d be admitting that what Obama said was pretty stupid.

  • sayanything-81

    Science is not merely predictive, BTW. Science can be retrodictive or postdictive as well.

    One would hope Carrick knows that.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I actually never went to college. Never needed to. And now I’ve got a nice income, I own my house and our vehicles and we have no debt.

    Not that I need to prove anything to stupid punks like you.

    As for the “complexities” of the “stimulus” spending spree, its Obama who has been strutting around proclaiming these “jobs created or saved numbers.”

    Its Obama who told us we’d be able to track this spending. And its Obama who has failed.

    It really is quite illuminating just how incapable you are of admitting when your Messiah did something dumb.

  • sayanything-101

    Yeah, it’s all just numbers! Good grief, what a jug head!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Hadley CRU (the major British climate center) has been hacked and it appears that Michael Mann and Phil Jones (for starts) have been caught with their pants down in a closet with the pope’s grandmother. So to speak.

    Is there an article about that somewhere Carrick? Or are you going to post on it?

  • sayanything-81

    Notice that Rob only demands the government account for expenditures when its something that a democrat does. Yea.

  • sayanything-81

    I still maintain, with Bat One, that accounting is not science. Making a prediction does not make something a science.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Hey, I don’t have to get into a dick measuring coontest with you cupcake. I’m satisfied with my accomplishments thus far in life.

    I just think its clear from your naivete about the real world that you haven’t gone far.

    Maybe you’re just young and have more to learn. Or maybe you’re just a loser.

    *shrugs*

    Either way.

  • sayanything-81

    another effed up link

  • sayanything-453

    Well, you are usaly more composed than this.

  • sayanything-4744

    Two things:

    Somebody mentioned Enron, et al above. “Accounting is an inexact science” would have been laughed out of court if used as a defense in that case, as it should. The idea that a government entrusted with (forcibly allowed to manage) trillions of dollars doesn’t need to concern itself with where that money goes while a corporation would be villified, fined heavily and perhaps face criminal charges for doing the same should be a huge issue with everyone, regardless of whose politics you like and who’s party is in power.

    Secondly, I thought Fox News was off limits to the administration?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Me? Ha. I’m having a grand time this evening!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Omg Lioncourt has stooped to thinking he’s figured out who Carrick is and attacking him in a personal level.

    My goodness, just give it up moron. You’re so far out in left field its hilarious.

  • sayanything-1317

    How many of those people went to jail? Most of them? Oh right…

    That the government is doing it on a much larger scale and defrauding us of more money should be worrying us all.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Why don’t you run along and let the grownups talk?

  • sayanything-81

    Rob explicitly said he takes exception to accounting when foreign policy is concerned.

    Also, show me where I have ever acted like Obama could do no wrong.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Not that I really care to continue this manufactured strawman debate aimed at drawing attention away from what a doofus Obama is, but I kind of disagree.

    Prediction alone doesn’t make something a science. But scientific research can be predictive.

    Astronomers use predictive calculations to figure out where a meteor is going to be. Accountants use calculations to predict the potential profit of a business venture.

    Honestly, guys, this isn’t that complicated. When you’re not blinded by partisan adulation of The One.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I didn’t claim “I” was a specific term. I said “trade” was a specific term.

    If I messed up some formatting…I’m typing all these comments on my blackberry.

    But whatever. Go try to prove to someone else that you’re a professor or whatever. I’m not impressed.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    You must be on some really good glue tonight.

  • sayanything-81

    Isn’t that what the hedge funds and r108 have been telling us for months? I don’t buy it either, but if you are going to call out Obama for it, call out all the other people who agree.

    Also, last time I checked, accounting was not a science.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Really, dummy? Go try and get a business loan and see what sort of information they ask you for.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    He’s got you lioncourt. Accounting can be used to make all sorts of predictions in business.

    In fact accounting is used often to measure the potential of an enterprise before a bank or an investor might lend some capital.

    You should grow up and get a job and pay some taxes and figure out how the real world works.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    He does I’m sure.

    And besides, nobody claimed otherwise.

  • sayanything-81

    In principle exactness is not attainable, but the ‘in principle’ pretends to reassure us.

  • sayanything-81

    that wiki link is broke bc the last parentheses got excluded (copy and paste if curious)

  • sayanything-81

    ROb
    You find our partisan differences evidence that you need not go to college? Or material success is evidence you didn’t need to? I hope you like what you do. That’s why I am pursuing the occupation that I am. I know many people who have a nice income, a house, whatever… yet are miserable.

    Its hard for me to sympathize though. My entire nuclear family has at least 8 yrs post-secondary schooling each at this point — I am the only non-scientist. My wife has 7 yrs (JDs only take three). And my folks paid for none but their own. My folks are the first generation in both their families to even go to college. My mom’s dad only finished 6th grade.

    When you come to Philly, sit in on one of my classes. I would like that – seriously – no condescension intended or involved.

    College is somewhat silly. I know many autodidacts who are much smarter than college educated folks. For me, because I wish to teach, its informative and goal-oriented. In the meantime, the pay could be worse and I have good health coverage, free classes, etc

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Easy. Just make some stuff up and count on the lapdog media not to make too big a deal out of it.

  • sayanything-81

    “Yes accounting is part of a “science” and it is definitely an exact one.” Tell it to the hedge funds and r108 who claim that value can never be known.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    And there’s lioncourt with yet another comment in which he ignores the fact that the President he voted for is a buffoon in favor of focusing on some bit of trivia intended to obfuscate the topic at hand.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The McCain campaigns finances were actually audited by the FEC unlike Obama’s fraud-riddled financing. And the accounting was within a reasonable margin of error for a campaign of that magnitude.

    But you’re spinning. And its hilarious.

    The stimulus has been a disaster. Despite promises about accountability and efficiency Obama has no idea where this money is really going or what its impact has been.

    That’s the point here. The “stimulus” was a raw deal for the taxpayers and a big reason why Obama’s approval numbers are plummeting.

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