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Since Hamas will have to be part of any successful resolution to the problem then of course America should be talking to them. I’m disappointed with Obama’s statement.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

Oops! sannitized will be here to call you a liar for pointing out what Obamoid has repeatedly said, you evil, hate filled Hatee McHater you!!

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Since Hamas will have to be part of any successful resolution to the problem then of course America should be talking to them.

I’d tend to agree with that, though I’d draw a distinction between recognizing that Hamas is a part of the situation with Israel and hugging the movement’s founder.

I’m disappointed with Obama’s statement.

But not surprised, I’ll warrant, given Obama’s propensity for trying to be all things to all people.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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But not surprised, I’ll warrant, given Obama’s propensity for trying to be all things to all people.

Turns out he’s a politician after all.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

Turns out he’s a politician after all.

Hey, that’s going to come as a shock to a lot of liberals in this country.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

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Hey, that’s going to come as a shock to a lot of liberals in this country.

Rob, I wouldn’t be so quick to judge.  After all, we haven’t received Hanitized’s enlightened interpretation of Obama’s comments yet.

Since Hamas will have to be part of any successful resolution to the problem…

Mike,

Why?  Would you reward terrorism and those who commit indiscriminate violence against civilian women and children with a seat at the table and an endorsement of their efforts?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One...I’d rather not but sometimes you have to be realistic. Hamas is the popularly elected Palestinian government and I believe that those elements within Hamas that are capable of contributing to a solution need space and legitimacy. Besides, it’s not like we haven’t supported terrorist groups in the past when it comes to hammering out solutions. Obviously Hamas would have to renounce violence and recognise Israel’s legitimacy and right to exist but you have to include all of the players who demonstrate willingness to participate in the process. I’m not saying that Hamas is necessarily at that point yet but it’s naive to say that we can ignore them...IMO.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

Obviously Hamas would have to renounce violence and recognise Israel’s legitimacy and right to exist but you have to include all of the players who demonstrate willingness to participate in the process. I’m not saying that Hamas is necessarily at that point yet…

Mike,

I fear your optimism will yet be the death of someone.  Meantime, wake me when you have something more substantive… and hopeful… to report.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I’d like to point out that Hamas’ election is relatively meaningless.  Democracy is not the mere existence of a ballot box.  One must also feel free to support his/her candidates openly - which includes free speech, free assembly and a free press - without reprisal in addition to feeling free to cast their ballot whatever way they want.

Anyone thinking these freedoms exist among the Palestinians is fooling themselves.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Mike, it is not an open and free election when men with guns hand out ballots with only one party’s candidates on it. That is how HAMAS retains their “elected” status.

HAMAS and Hizzbullah are terrorists. And that is all.

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2H9...you’re letting your rhetoric get ahead of you. You know that there were candidates from more than one party. Hamas needs to renounce terror before we can get very far but we still gots to talk to them.

Rob...you’re right about the development of democracy of course although Hamas definitely enjoys more popular support than you credit. Still, I’m not expecting or desiring Israel and the West to roll over on Palestine...it’s always better to be talking with the enemy rather than not talking though.

Bat One...you’re confusing optimism with realism. Freezing the bad guys out of the process will not get the job done. One can favour the status quo policy because one doesn’t want to get one’s hands dirty but it brings us no closer to a resolution to the problem. One can’t send the forces in to enforce a resolution...one has to talk with all of the parties.

Besides...I bet Jimmy whispered a renunciation of violence in the guy’s ear mid-hug.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

Mike, HAMAS handed out ballots with only their candidates on them. This is fact. In the areas they controlled “voters” only had HAMAS as an option. Pretend otherwise till hell freezes over, all you will end up with is frozen hell and a fixed election. Fixed by HAMAS.

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2H9...that’s news to me.  Got a link?

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

Try BBC. They had several articles on it. Also MSNBC, CNN, WatchingAmerica, and I believe Al Jazeera had 2 separate opinion pieces on the subject of voter intimidation and election fixing in the Palestinian elections.

Put simply, you negotiate with terrorists when they lie dead on the ground. Anything else is surrender to terrorism.

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I don’t know 2H9. BBC has a cute graphic listing 7 different parties and groupings who won seats in the Palestinian election...the article says nothing about ballots containing only Hamas candidates. Perhaps you’re thinking of another Mide Eastern mob?

At any rate, I understand your discomfort over talking to terrorists and in a perfect world we wouldn’t have to. Sometimes you do and since Hamas currently represents the will of most Palestinians then it’s folly to think they can be excluded.

I’m not saying roll over, I’m saying talk. Unless you’re prepared to level the desert and start over, then you do what you have to do...and don’t get any ideas.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

Ahmadinejad said in his remarks Wednesday that the issue of a Palestinian state would be resolved only when Palestinians took control of all their lands.

establishment of Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world,” he said, according to the press agency. “The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land.”

Isn’t there a distinction between a group that commits terrorist acts and one that doesn’t but has the same goal?

Can you describe 10 terrorist similarities between Hamas and Iran?

Here are the similarities you have discussed so far;

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For those of you who don’t quite follow.  He gave none.

Therefore, when Rob attempts to say Obama has two different answers to the same question, he is not at all accurate for saying so.

Certainly there is a difference and certainly Obama would have two different responses to two different situations.

Those crazy jew haters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

Next sanni will be on his knees, begging terms of surrender in this thread, too.

Mike. You are right! As soon as HAMAS is dead and bloated on the ground we should talk to them. Glad youy finally figured that out.

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