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	<title>Comments on: Obama Surrogate: McCain Will Deregulate Health Care Like He Deregulated The Mortgage Industry</title>
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		<title>By: Bat One</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15849</link>
		<dc:creator>Bat One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really is sad.  I had thought of Sibelius as one of the few rational Democrats, but this nonsense is patently wrong on both counts.  McCain tried to tighten Fannie/Freddie regulation, and was summarily rebuffed by the Democrats, while his healthcare plan is far more market-driven and far less an exercise in government mandated participation and coverage than what Obama has proposed.

Ms. Sibelius is a liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really is sad.  I had thought of Sibelius as one of the few rational Democrats, but this nonsense is patently wrong on both counts.  McCain tried to tighten Fannie/Freddie regulation, and was summarily rebuffed by the Democrats, while his healthcare plan is far more market-driven and far less an exercise in government mandated participation and coverage than what Obama has proposed.</p>
<p>Ms. Sibelius is a liar.</p>
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		<title>By: Puzzlefeet</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15850</link>
		<dc:creator>Puzzlefeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain, himself, in his own words wants to do to health care regulation what he did to banking regulation:
http://www.contingencies.org/septoct08/mccain.pdf

Now to health care:  Gov. Sebelius is right.  McCain will throw everyone off their employer sponsored health care plan and tax their health care benefits for the first time in history.  He says it as well, it is a fact.

With health care cossts skyrocketing, he&#039;ll tax your health care benefits and then claim to give you a tax credit, but you won&#039;t actually see the tax credit.  It will go directly to the insurance company.  So you have  to purchase your health care first and then claim the credit on your tax return which is then sent to the insurance company.

Millions will be dropped from their current plans and left to their own on the open market, which means if you have a pre-existing condition, you won&#039;t be able to get coverage or it will be so expensive that no tax credit will cover the cost of the insurance.

The insurance companies will still be able to exclude certain conditions such as diabetes and those who had employer coverage will be left without.

Also McCain claims that his tax credit will increase with the CPI.  Too bad that health insurance increases go up at way more than the CPI.  This doesn&#039;t get more people on health insurance.  It will throw more people off over time than those it will cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain, himself, in his own words wants to do to health care regulation what he did to banking regulation:<br />
<a href="http://www.contingencies.org/septoct08/mccain.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.contingencies.org/septoct08/mccain.pdf</a></p>
<p>Now to health care:  Gov. Sebelius is right.  McCain will throw everyone off their employer sponsored health care plan and tax their health care benefits for the first time in history.  He says it as well, it is a fact.</p>
<p>With health care cossts skyrocketing, he&#8217;ll tax your health care benefits and then claim to give you a tax credit, but you won&#8217;t actually see the tax credit.  It will go directly to the insurance company.  So you have  to purchase your health care first and then claim the credit on your tax return which is then sent to the insurance company.</p>
<p>Millions will be dropped from their current plans and left to their own on the open market, which means if you have a pre-existing condition, you won&#8217;t be able to get coverage or it will be so expensive that no tax credit will cover the cost of the insurance.</p>
<p>The insurance companies will still be able to exclude certain conditions such as diabetes and those who had employer coverage will be left without.</p>
<p>Also McCain claims that his tax credit will increase with the CPI.  Too bad that health insurance increases go up at way more than the CPI.  This doesn&#8217;t get more people on health insurance.  It will throw more people off over time than those it will cover.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15851</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whistler, you seem to always imply that McCain and the GOP aren&#039;t doing enough.  Remember, it&#039;s hard to play football when the refs are part of the opposing team. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not much of a football fan, but rather a hockey fan.

When the other team hooks and holds the refs won&#039;t call it unless you keep moving your feet and try to go through it.

So yeah, if the only ones talking about it is some radio and blogger guys who&#039;s really going to care even though the majority of people are aware of the bias.

So call the other guys on it.  At this point it ain&#039;t going to hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whistler, you seem to always imply that McCain and the GOP aren&#8217;t doing enough.  Remember, it&#8217;s hard to play football when the refs are part of the opposing team. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not much of a football fan, but rather a hockey fan.</p>
<p>When the other team hooks and holds the refs won&#8217;t call it unless you keep moving your feet and try to go through it.</p>
<p>So yeah, if the only ones talking about it is some radio and blogger guys who&#8217;s really going to care even though the majority of people are aware of the bias.</p>
<p>So call the other guys on it.  At this point it ain&#8217;t going to hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Puzzlefeet</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15852</link>
		<dc:creator>Puzzlefeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this: http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Fronstin_workershltins_908.pdf?section=4039

The Commonwealth fund found that  20% of working adults looking for health insurance coverage were charged more for preexisting health conditions or outright rejected for health reasons.  

Throwing citizens who have coverage into the individual market will not cover more people nor will it save  those individuals any money.  

Bad policy on McCain&#039;s part so I can see why he wants to start his smear campaign.  I wouldn&#039;t want to talk about his health care plan or the economy if I were him either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this: <a href="http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Fronstin_workershltins_908.pdf?section=4039" rel="nofollow">http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Fronstin_workershltins_908.pdf?section=4039</a></p>
<p>The Commonwealth fund found that  20% of working adults looking for health insurance coverage were charged more for preexisting health conditions or outright rejected for health reasons.  </p>
<p>Throwing citizens who have coverage into the individual market will not cover more people nor will it save  those individuals any money.  </p>
<p>Bad policy on McCain&#8217;s part so I can see why he wants to start his smear campaign.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to talk about his health care plan or the economy if I were him either.</p>
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		<title>By: robert108</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15853</link>
		<dc:creator>robert108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a very long time, those with employer-provided healthcare paid for it with pretax dollars, while those who bought their own healthcare paid with aftertax dollars.  This govt-created distortion is part of the problems we are having with healthcare, and McCain&#039;s plans to level that particular playing field can hardly be called &quot;deregulation&quot;.  Of course, the lying lefties have made &quot;deregulation&quot; a bad word by lying about the true cause of the home finance problem, which was really caused by social engineering mandates that distorted the market for home mortgages.

Lefties lie; it&#039;s all they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a very long time, those with employer-provided healthcare paid for it with pretax dollars, while those who bought their own healthcare paid with aftertax dollars.  This govt-created distortion is part of the problems we are having with healthcare, and McCain&#8217;s plans to level that particular playing field can hardly be called &#8220;deregulation&#8221;.  Of course, the lying lefties have made &#8220;deregulation&#8221; a bad word by lying about the true cause of the home finance problem, which was really caused by social engineering mandates that distorted the market for home mortgages.</p>
<p>Lefties lie; it&#8217;s all they have.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15854</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the Administration and the McCain campaign don&#039;t debunk their lies we&#039;re going to lose the war.  

Correcting the record is vital, but the Republicans in Washington don&#039;t seem to care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the Administration and the McCain campaign don&#8217;t debunk their lies we&#8217;re going to lose the war.  </p>
<p>Correcting the record is vital, but the Republicans in Washington don&#8217;t seem to care.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Retired Petty Officer</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15855</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Retired Petty Officer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this idiot bitch is my governor. I can&#039;t wait till her sorry ass is gone!!!!!!!!
Don&#039;t like it Kathleen? Tango-Foxtrot-Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this idiot bitch is my governor. I can&#8217;t wait till her sorry ass is gone!!!!!!!!<br />
Don&#8217;t like it Kathleen? Tango-Foxtrot-Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Bat One</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15856</link>
		<dc:creator>Bat One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Puzzle,

Perhaps if you stuck to topics of which you have some small working knowledge: over-priced labor contracts, under-paid day laborer pickets, and of course feather-bedding.  Obviously mortgage finance, economics, and the functioning of markets is NOT exactly your strong suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puzzle,</p>
<p>Perhaps if you stuck to topics of which you have some small working knowledge: over-priced labor contracts, under-paid day laborer pickets, and of course feather-bedding.  Obviously mortgage finance, economics, and the functioning of markets is NOT exactly your strong suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15857</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Now to health care:  Gov. Sebelius is right.  McCain will throw everyone off their employer sponsored health care plan and tax their health care benefits for the first time in history.  He says it as well, it is a fact. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except that&#039;s NOT in his plan that you linked to. He never mentions the mortgage or bank industries. So you&#039;re lying Puzzle. Not that lying is anything new to you. 

In fact the page you link to says that people will get a tax break even if THEIR EMPLOYER covers them. 

Indeed, McCain plans to further regulate the market by using medicaid and medicare as a stick to beat doctors into charging lower prices. And using the government to force health insurance companies to continue to provide care to people who change jobs.

Or in short, not a single f-in thing you said is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Now to health care:  Gov. Sebelius is right.  McCain will throw everyone off their employer sponsored health care plan and tax their health care benefits for the first time in history.  He says it as well, it is a fact. </p></blockquote>
<p>Except that&#8217;s NOT in his plan that you linked to. He never mentions the mortgage or bank industries. So you&#8217;re lying Puzzle. Not that lying is anything new to you. </p>
<p>In fact the page you link to says that people will get a tax break even if THEIR EMPLOYER covers them. </p>
<p>Indeed, McCain plans to further regulate the market by using medicaid and medicare as a stick to beat doctors into charging lower prices. And using the government to force health insurance companies to continue to provide care to people who change jobs.</p>
<p>Or in short, not a single f-in thing you said is true.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama_surrogate_mccain_will_deregulate_health_care_like_he_deregulated_the/#comment-15858</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really think the Obama or McCain health plan is real read this FackCheck on both the Obama AND McCain Health Plans!

http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-mccain-health-care-plans-fact.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really think the Obama or McCain health plan is real read this FackCheck on both the Obama AND McCain Health Plans!</p>
<p><a href="http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-mccain-health-care-plans-fact.html" rel="nofollow">http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-mccain-health-care-plans-fact.html</a></p>
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