Liquid:

Assuming your report is true, how does that change what I offered? This does not side step plausible deniability.

You can still claim to be using centrifuges for commercial application.

Maybe you are right. But the NIE said there is no evidence to suggest they are pursuing “the bomb”.

McCain has been criticized by conservatives as being too liberal. As “realitybased”(but not too often)bob shows, McCain is liberal in more ways than one.

The question becomes – just who does bob think he is fooling? McCain is too liberal. We already get it. He’s too much like you bob. That’s why conservatives don’t really like him.

Uh oh….Tom Hanks hates America too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/03/actor-tom-hanks-endorses_n_100001.html

More logic from the logic impaired:

Yes, I struck first with Rob because he lies all the time…!

Preemptive lying. Why wait for your opponent to actually tell a lie, when you know he will anyway, so call him a liar before he has the chance!

A little more chlorine in the Kiddie Pool next time, perhaps?

You wont (sic) answer that because you know that you were off on so many levels you don’t wan’t (sic) to go stepping on all the land mines you dropped. And I don’t mean land mines in the traditional sense. I mean the kind that are left steaming after you squatted and dropped them on this poopy post.

That kind of logic, Han-job?

Thats (sic) about par for the course.

Translation: Wah!

Eunichized whines:

Ad Hominem

more….ad hominem

lots more….ad hominem

Damn that shoe pinches when it’s on his foot…

Republican response:

Ad Hominem

more….ad hominem

lots more….ad hominem

Thats about par for the course.

Likwidshoe: RBB loves you. Do you love him?

Flipper John’s good friend

Eunichized,

Who (besides “blackwater”boob, our other short bus riders, and possibly your mother) does take you seriously?

Anyone?

What Hannitized calls “ad hominem” is what others call:

“Quoting you correctly!”

I don’t like Hillary any more than I like Obama, but from the Democrat perspective if they want their party in the White House they’re kidding themselves if they think Obama’s the guy to do it.

Yeah, but you were saying that while his numbers were up as well.

You would have some credibility here if you were at least half way honest in this whole thing.

Quit pretending that you are merely giving your take on the matter based on current events. No matter what the reality, you would be making the same prediction.

Beardsley,

First, an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities would create the climate for full blown war in the entire ME. Additionally, there is new data from a NIE report (of all places) that suggest there is no credible evidence that supports a conclusion that Iran is pursuing nuclear bomb. Reports state that Iran stopped its enrichment program in 06 and not restarted it.

A strike on Iran could set back US interests in the region of which are a great many. There is also a much greater chance for retaliation from not only terrorists around the world but on our economic interests world wide.

Some things which it seems you havent considered, Rodney, is that Iran has a much larger population than our most recent disaster, Iraq. Attempting to keep military operations down to a minimum would not be as easy as it was in Saddams dessert.

If you combine the three campaigns in AF, Iraq and then Iran….our military resources are going to be stretched to the limit and it will require a draft. The draft will negatively impact how effective our military will operate.

I think it safe to say that both Hezbollah and Hamas would become much more active in their efforts against their enemies (such as Isreal and Lebanon) and set the stage for WWIII. Not to mention that it could be likely that both of those organizations could turn their focus on us.

I happen to think that as nasty as Iran is, they are still one of our great hopes for creating a democracy in the region as much of its younger generation are more likely to be positive on US relations (at least prior to our invasion of Iraq) and promise more diplomatic relations, that could lead to more security in the ME.

We need their help in ensuring that Iraq maintains some sort of semblance. Even though they are also part of the problem, they are also a stabilizing force whether we admit it or not.

This statement makes absolutely no sense. Rob’s original post did not suggest that his view of Obama is based merely “on current event.” In fact, your very first sentence makes clear that Rob was “saying that when (Obama’s) numbers were up.”

Well, if you want to pretend that Rob isn’t pretending to postulate for the first time, that is your choice. But may I remind you of his comment;

I think the more important question here isn’t so much “Can Hillary still win?” but “Is Obama mortally wounded?”

Because right now I’m beginning to think that even if the guy pulls it out and gets the Democrat nomination he’s still too dinged up to pull off a national victory.

Did you miss that the first time you read it Bat?

Are you seriously accusing Rob of trying to refute the very consistency that you’ve accused him of? No wonder you have difficulty getting people to take your comments seriously

Robs words choice doesn’t match up with your argument Bat. The words “Because RIGHT NOW, he is BEGINNING TO THINK???

So as you can see. Rob is trying to pretend that he is weighing in, fairly, on the facts on the ground….at the moment. But why would he bother asking the question if he already has made up his mind?

I mean, cmon BAT, how could you even make this argument?

Oh, and by the way Bat. This proves the reason people don’t take me seriously is because they really can’t read the words in front of their face correctly and walk away with the proper understanding of what they just read. Yourself included.

I don’t expect an apology or an admission that I was right. But it would go a long way in restoring your credibility.

Eunichized the beardless child,

explain to me again why Persia should not be destroyed.

I already made my case. Quarre Persia Delenda Est

Bat,

In the first place, there is nothing for me to apologize for here…

Well, it sure looks like you attempted to insult me after you completely missed my argument, due to your oversight.

That seems like a good enough reason as any.

Do you seriously think that the statement below does not represent a position that Rob is postulating for the first time? Yes or no?

Because right now I’m beginning to think that even if the guy pulls it out and gets the Democrat nomination he’s still too dinged up to pull off a national victory.

You should at least have the decency to see that my argument was valid.

And I have certainly gone to great pains to point out those few previous instances when I believed you to be correct

Indeed you have. And it is because of that I have given you credit on many occasion. But lately, you have been piling on with the rest of the crew who are failing to see a reasonable argument.

People from this site don’t see Robs post as we do, because they largely agree with him and don’t see the little things, like this, that matter to us.

Because to a newcomer, it looks like Rob is being fair and weighing in on the current events. But as we know, he has made up his mind on this subject months ago. He couldn’t possibly be “beginning to think” that Obama might loose this.

Surely you can agree.

Likwidshoe: RBB loves you. Do you love him?

I doubt it. Through all of his bullshit though, I do like the guy. We’ve been talking for years.

You take away his stupid politics and he’s not a bad guy. I hope he feels the same way.

That’s about par for the course for the Obama supporting liberals who hate America.

I suppose it is easy to understand your opponents when you have to create them from figments of your imagination. It must be a warm and fuzzy place in that world.

Tell me again Liqwid, how much I hate America. It really impresses me when you demonstrate your intellect like that.

then again, who really cares about the deep political insights of someone who makes their living from memorizing lines and emoting them?

You should be more respectful to President Bush.

Han,
You can’t let a country that has proven it will foment conflict on it’s neighbors, have a weapon as devasting in the long term. (radiation half life) When Quadafi did the Pam Am thing and was making noises, Reagan took out his main tent and some of his family. End of problem

I was taken in the very last round of the lottery in Vietnam. Draftees disignation were “US”, enlistees were “RA”. Uncle Sam’s…Regular Army. I can assure you from experience, the draftees fought as hard and as well as the enlistees.

As for a ME war, there’s only 3 or 4 countries with bigtime munitions and delivery platforms that would have a dog in the hunt. And they, other than perhaps Syria, know how devastating a war with long range missles, fighters and bombers would be. The rest of the countries would be like hezzbollah and humas, not really effective long range.

These people years ago used to cut off their enemies heads and play soccor with them. They are not reasonable people.

As long as the religous fanatics are in charge, I don’t believe any effective peace can be achieved. Remember they want the entire world converted to Islam. Every man, woman, and child. And it is their charge from their God to accomplish this. The only thing they understand, and will
stop them is strength.

I think Jordon and Egypt are the stabilizing forces. They have armaments, but they don’t use them. Iran and Syria are the one’s that have to be kept down. The rest of the factions have small arms and inaccurate, short range missles. And only Iran and Syria are supplying them.

That’s my opinion. Of course I could be wrong.

By the way, I voted for Bush, but would not again. However, managed properly, I think a draft would be a good idea. I met and became friends with people from walks of life I would never have know otherwise. But no draft just to start another war. There was and if you listen to the
troops, there is now a camaradarie that we don’t really have in civilian society. And we could use it. Look at
Congress, they are like animals.

Tell me again how Persia should be destoyed beardsley.