Obama Says He Would Opt Out Of Government Health Care Plan If His Wife, Children Were Sick

Perhaps the most telling question and answer from last night’s health care informercial:

DR. DAVINSKI: If your wife or your daughter became seriously ill, and things were not going well, and the plan physicians told you they were doing everything that could be done, and you sought out opinions from some medical leaders in major centers and they said there’s another option you should pursue, but it was not covered in the plan, would you potentially sacrifice the health of your family for the greater good of insuring millions or would you do everything you possibly could as a father and husband to get the best health care and outcome for your family?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: … does she get hip replacement surgery even though she was fragile enough that they weren’t sure how long she would last whether she could get through the surgery. I think families all across America are going through decisions like that all the time. and you’re absolutely right that if it’s my family member, my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care. but here’s the problem that we have in our current health care system. Is that there is a whole bunch of care that’s being provided that every study, every bit of evidence that we have indicates may not be making us healthier.

Now, this might be a bad answer if you buy into Obama’s claims that a government health care plan would create more choices in the health care market. The problem is that the government option will eliminate competition in the health care industry through regulation and cost, leaving the government option as just about the only viable option for most Americans.
Of course, people like Obama with plenty of financial resources would be able to opt out of a government plan. But most Americans don’t have Obama’s resources, and would be stuck with what the government gave them.
Which is exactly why we shouldn’t want government health care.

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  • http://Array pparets

    Obesity, overweight, whatever. Heart disease also.

    Diabetes is not caused by ANY of those, Dino. It is aggravated and complicated by them. As mentioned earlier by RGraves, Diabetes is not communicable.

    AIDS is transmitted by infected needles, rarely by blood transfusions and most often by risky, unprotected sex – almost always between homosexual males.

    No homosexual “culture war” is going to change those facts.

  • pparets

    AIDS is no different than diabetes

    Well, of course it is!

    AIDS is the result of behavior choices. Diabetes is not.

  • SigFan

    It’s always easier to make decisions that have a negative impact on others rather than yourself. I will go on record with this statement:

    When every government official, elected or appointed goes on the same plan with the same rules with the same limits with the same penalties as me, I will agree to universal health care. Until then – NFW!

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    No surprise. I deserve better because I’m Obama and all…but the rest of you can just go die under a rock or something.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Diabetes is not caused by ANY of those, Dino. It is aggravated and complicated by them. As mentioned earlier by RGraves, Diabetes is not communicable.

    Actually Dino is correct. Diabetes IS caused by obesity and a sedentary lifestyle.

    http://diabetes.webmd.com/guide/diabetes-causes

    While not everyone with type 2 diabetes is overweight, obesity and lack of physical activity are two of the most common causes of this form of diabetes. It is also responsible for nearly 95% of diabetes cases in the United States, according to the CDC.

    Other factors that put you at risk for getting DM2:

    High blood pressure
    High blood triglyceride (fat) levels
    Gestational diabetes or giving birth to a baby weighing more than 9 pounds
    High-fat diet
    High alcohol intake
    Sedentary lifestyle
    Obesity or being overweight
    Ethnicity: Certain groups, such as African Americans, Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Japanese Americans, have a greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than non-Hispanic whites.
    Aging: Increasing age is a significant risk factor for type 2 diabetes. The risk of developing type 2 diabetes begins to rise significantly at about age 45 years, and rises considerably after age 65 years.

    Backup links that confirm this:
    http://www.diabetesmellitus-information.com/diabetes-causes.htm
    http://www.emedicinehealth.com/diabetes/page2_em.htm
    http://www.sclero.org/medical/symptoms/associated/diabetes/causes.html

    While there are genetic predispositions, DM2 is caused by bad lifestyle choices.

  • robert108

    AIDS is no different than diabetes, also incurable.

    How many ways is this wrong? First, diabetes is a metabolic disease, AIDS is an immune system disease; second, diabetes isn’t contagious in any way, while AIDS is passed exclusively by contact with diseased people; third, diabetes is easily controlled with drugs, AIDS is not.
    Then, there’s the behavior thing….AIDS is purely voluntary, while diabetes is not.

  • Mother Nature

    Dino sure knows a lot about AIDS drugs, speaking from experience, I assume. I’m coming for you, faggot!

  • Socks

    The history of HIV/AIDS in the United States began in about 1969, when HIV likely entered the United States through a single infected immigrant from Haiti.[1][2][3] In the early 1980s, doctors in Los Angeles, New York City, and San Francisco began seeing young men with Kaposi’s Sarcoma, a cancer usually associated with elderly men of Mediterranean ethnicity.

    As the knowledge that men who had sex with men were dying of an otherwise rare cancer began to spread throughout the medical communities, the syndrome began to be called by the colloquialism “gay cancer.” As medical scientists discovered that the syndrome included other manifestations, such as pneumocystis pneumonia, (PCP), a rare form of fungal pneumonia, its name was changed to “GRID,” or Gay Related Immune Deficiency.[4] This had an effect of boosting homophobia and adding stigma to homosexuality in the general public, particularly since it seemed that unprotected anal sex was the prevalent way of spreading the disease.

    Within the medical community, it quickly became apparent that the disease was not specific to men who have sex with men (as blood transfusion patients, intravenous drug users, heterosexual and bisexual women, and newborn babies became added to the list of afflicted), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) renamed the syndrome AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) in 1982.

    Hemophiliacs, who require injections of blood clotting factor as a course of treatment, during the 1980s also contracted HIV in large numbers worldwide through the spread of contaminated blood products.
    Contents

    “HIV/AIDS in the United States.”
    2009. Wikipedia. 25 June, 2009
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_in_the_US

    If God had meant for men to be gay, he would have made them capable of reproduction. Even so, it is not Government’s job to denounce it or outlaw it. It is the job of society to make it unacceptable for people to engage in action such as that.

  • Ken

    By far the most prevalent cause of health problems is lifestyle choice. Of those, homosex is miniscule.

    Absolutely correct. From what I’ve seen in my career, and statistics, the costliest groups (not including socioeconomic or racial categories) are the elderly, obese, and substances abusers. The number of homosexuals with AIDs (not simply HIV+) is so small as to be almost insignificant.

  • Pilgrim

    I have no special place in my heart for those with AIDS simply due to being gay just as you probably have no soft spot for those with low IQs.

    Not bad, Dino. Not bad at all. You must be sober.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    AIDS is no different than diabetes, also incurable.

    If someone with AIDS had a related illness that was not controllable and they were dying then NO, tons of money should not be devoted to heroic measures to save them.

    Old people shouldn’t get liver transplants to stay alive for a few months. And under the present system they don’t.

    I have no special place in my heart for those with AIDS simply due to being gay just as you probably have no soft spot for those with low IQs.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    Heart disease is aggravated by obesity. But the cause of obesity, crap diet and too little exercise also causes heart disease.

    Incidentally, there are zero coronary heart disease victims when your blood cholesterol is below 150. But this value can only be achieved by an almost entirely plant based diet.

    It’s you meaties that are causing health care costs to escalate. Save American health care, go Vegan!

  • Bat One

    What Obama and the Dems have yet to address is why a private employer who now provides healthcare coverage would continue to absorb that expense once Obamacare is in place. Why should I keep paying to provide coverage for my employees if the federal government is going to provide coverage if I don’t?

    The Obama “healthcare reform” proposal will result in more people without coverage, not fewer, and at a far, far greater cost, to taxpayers, than anything projected by Team Obama.

  • brain trust

    During the campaign didn’t our beloved dictator promise us the same health care that Congress gets? Here again, not as he says but as he does.

    Liberals Golden Rule – We must all suffer equally!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    It’s the same system we have now. If your wife has an incurable disease and some charlatan in Switzerland says he has a potion of goat teeth, bat testicles and other secret ingredients that will cure her for only $500,000 a dose (and she’ll need 100 doses), your present insurance company will not fork over the money.

    The rich will always have access to outrageously expensive experimental treatment because they have the money to burn. Money, ironically, that you favor letting them hoard through your support of tax cuts, cap gains tax cuts, etc.

    The only alternative to rationing care is unending care, for example, giving a heart transplant to a 90 year old.

    Get over it. Health care reform will pass and you’ll just have to add it to the list of defeats for conservative slugs.

  • Ken

    Just wanted to clarify:

    AIDS is the result of behavior choices. Diabetes is not.

    and

    Diabetes is a genetic predisposition. One more thing you don’t know, little dino.

    While you gents are correct that DM2 is most likely caused by a genetic predisposition, you’re wrong to claim that lifestyle choices aren’t major factors in its development. Sedentary lifestyle, obesity, high fat and sugar intake, and alcohol intake all increase the chances of developing DM2. As the population of obese Americans increases, you can see an associated increase in DM2 cases. Furthermore, once people are diagnosed with DM2, their lifestyle choices dramatically impact the progression and treatment of the disease. Claiming that genetic predisposition is the only major factor in developing DM2 is a bit like claiming that smoking doesn’t dramatically increase the chance of developing lung cancer.

    I hope this clears up any confusion. Now I’ll wait and see how r108 spins and twists his argument in order to appear correct the whole time. He’ll probably claim he was really talking about Diabetes Insipidus rather than DM2 or some other nonsense.

    Also (I can’t believe I’m defending Dino this much), it’s a bit unfair for everyone to point out the differences between DM2 and AIDs and act like Dino’s a dumbass. He wasn’t saying the diseases were equivalent in all areas, just the fact that both are incurable. But of course everyone would rather rush in and attempt to put Dino down while making themselves seem educated, when in actuality all they’ve done is shown their own ignorance and lack of reading comprehension.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Why Ken, you flatterer!

    Thanks for, er, backing me up.
    :)

  • badlands4

    If we are all going to have private insurance squeezed out by the “public plan”, then I want EVERY government official falling under THAT plan as well..or they can put us all on THEIR plan, and 1.6 trillion will look like pocket change.

    As I said in my email to Conrad, Dorgan, Pomeroy “I will trust your judgment when you are actually affected by the plan you want to shove down my throat”

    I keep hearing from them that there won’t be any rationing.of course not…who is telling you that?

    From a bill released by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee. The bill calls for a “Medical Advisory Council” to determine what medical products and services are “essential benefits” and those that shouldn’t be covered by a public insurance plan.

    Senate Finance Committee turns to a “Federal Health Board” to compare similar medical treatments in order to steer reimbursement to lower-cost options. Senate Finance also proposes a “sustainability commission” charged with finding automatic cuts to Medicare spending that would then pass Congress by a simple up or down vote.

    draft health-care reform proposal introduced last week in the House of Representatives by the three committees with jurisdiction over health policy set up an independent “advisory committee” that will “recommend a benefit package based on standards set in the law.” It also proposes a new “commission” that may, among other things, help develop treatment protocols based on government-directed research.

    Under the HELP committee’s plan, the health board’s recommendations would be binding unless Congress acts within a brief period to pass a “joint resolution disapproving such report in its entirety.”

    Sorry, rationing is rationing no matter what fancy sounding word you slap on it.

    If Sen Byrd, who is the same age as my grandmother, will receive EXACTLY the same care as she does, then…but that won’t happen.

    If my fil, who has had prostate cancer, and is right around the same age as Senator Kennedy, would receive the same cutting age treatment, then…….but that won’t happen either.

    There are Republicans I could have used for an example, but I just couldn’t think of any off the top of my head, so it isn’t partisan just who I could think of.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Too late. You already lost the gay culture battle.

    AIDS is far down the list of health care expenditures.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I have no problem that a guy can buy insurance that covers AIDS if he wants to.

    I just don’t think anyone should limit me on my choices either.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    His plan is so bad that Obama and Congress are exempting themselves from it.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    What utter rubbish.

    Diabetes is not contagious.

    AIDS could be eliminated world wide within a single generation via strict quarantine.

  • HG

    AIDS is no different than diabetes, also incurable.

    Diabetes is more often caused by lifestyle these days.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Diabetes is more often caused by lifestyle these days. Obesity, overweight, whatever. Heart disease also.

  • Pilgrim

    Obama’s health care plan is for peasants, not royalty. Note that Congress has their own very, very sweet health care plan. And they’re not about to join Obamacare.

    About a million years ago there was a cartoon called The Wizard of Id. One that I remember has the king in his tower looking out the window as someone is shouting, “The peasants are revolting!” To which he mumbles, “You can say that again.”

    Just take what Obama gives, peasants, and all will be well.

  • robert108

    Diabetes is a genetic predisposition. One more thing you don’t know, little dino.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    So what you’re saying Dino, is no person with AIDS would get treatment since it’s incurable.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Heart disease and diabetes can both be CAUSED by obesity. If you already have it, they will make it worse.

    By far the most prevalent cause of health problems is lifestyle choice. Of those, homosex is miniscule. Smoking, overeating and stress cause the most health problems.

    As soon as we implement a public health program run by the government, AIDS drugs will get cheaper with the government “negotiating” away those maasive profits and CEO salaries.

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