Idiot logic, from a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about. I knew it.

So your logic is; “Do what McCrystal says, because he can’t possibly not know what he is asking for”???

Completely retarded. Why don’t you attempt to understand the facts of a subject before you jump in the deep end with both feet and without a floatation device?

Really, you just look like a giant moron.

We have 50,000. That’s going to leave us with 20,000 reservists to respond to any other theatre we might need to face from a known or unknown enemy. There was no way to offer 80,000 troop, you moron. The only way to give McCrystal what he wants is to deplete the reserves and rob from troop deployments from Iraq.

You ask a lot of your servicemen, you should do them the service of knowing what you are asking.

Twit.

these people should back up what they said and cut-and-run. now barry abd the liberals war is going to just wind up killing more women and babies.

i cant wait to see the libby mass in the streets with barry drawn looking like hitler.

And Wankertized, it’s not a lie that you’re too cowardly to sign in. We see it every day. And there are nearly 10,000 comments you haven’t claimed. We can see that on the rare occasion that you do sign in, they’ve not been claimed by Wee Willie Wankertized, a.k.a. Hanni, the Cretinous Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool!

Are you so inept at IT that you need “DISQUS for Dummies” to help you find your comments (or your arse with both hands)?

No I couldn’t listen to his crap and apparently a few of the Cadets couldn’t either as you saw them dozing off.

So you agree with Greg, that Admiral Mullen was not talking about the troops that could not be sent to Afghanistan over the last few years, because they were in Iraq???

Just say something in regards to the debate Poofy.

Now, enjoy your night…..it’s Sat night kid.

Pretext, Pretext, screech on little girl.

And here is the pretext, showing that they were indeed talking about the fact that we couldn’t give Afghanistan the troops they needed, because they were in Iraq.

Which you wouldn’t have had until I found it and linked to it. What a liar I am, providing you with my source.

When you man up and claim your comments from the past we’ll talk Hannitized.

And here is the pretext, showing that they were indeed talking about the fact that we couldn’t give Afghanistan the troops they needed, because they were in Iraq.

You liar. But what should i expect from an ex military guy who was low ranking, for a reason?

REP. BERMAN: Any objection?

ADM. MULLEN: Just in my tenure here, sir, that General McKiernan specifically had a fairly substantial request for upwards of 20,000 forces, which we couldn’t meet because they just weren’t there. They were in Iraq. I spoke out very early that Afghanistan had been underresourced and that, from my – from where I lived, the heart of that was underresourced with military forces.

We didn’t have them, because they were pushed to Iraq. And we couldn’t – we really didn’t have the flexibility to move them. That was a priority of a previous president. We do what the president says, and that’s what we did.

REP. BERMAN: The gentleman has expired.

The gentleman from Massachusetts, Mr. Delahunt.

REPRESENTATIVE BILL DELAHUNT (D-MA): I thank the chairman. I would note in response to the answer, by Admiral Mullen, that I’d submit that we’re here today because over the course of the past eight years, we’ve been distracted from focusing on Afghanistan. And that’s why we find ourselves in this terrible situation that we’re discussing here today.

Lying sack o sh@t!!!

Again, you lie, badly. Put the entire quote up, or shut the f*ck up.

What Kenny won’t admit:

Rep. Bill Delahunt: What has happened over teh course of 8 years?

Admiral Mullen:

When you uh, in my view, when you under resource an effort for an extended period of time, when you, uh, in many ways starve an effort, the impact, and I don’t just don’t mean forces, cuz we’ve done it with training, we’ve done it intellectually, we’ve done diplomatically, politically, you name it.

We were focused on the other war, and that was a priority. – Admiral Mullen

So effe you Kenny! That is what I have been telling you the top brass in the military have been saying for the last year.

Admit it. Admit you were wrong, I was right and that Bush Starved the effort in Afghanistan.

Let’s see you admit you were wrong.

END OF STORY!!

REP. BERMAN: Any objection?

ADM. MULLEN: Just in my tenure here, sir, that General McKiernan specifically had a fairly substantial request for upwards of 20,000 forces, which we couldn’t meet because they just weren’t there. They were in Iraq. I spoke out very early that Afghanistan had been underresourced and that, from my – from where I lived, the heart of that was underresourced with military forces.

We didn’t have them, because they were pushed to Iraq. And we couldn’t – we really didn’t have the flexibility to move them. That was a priority of a previous president. We do what the president says, and that’s what we did.

REP. BERMAN: The gentleman has expired.

The gentleman from Massachusetts, Mr. Delahunt.

REPRESENTATIVE BILL DELAHUNT (D-MA): I thank the chairman. I would note in response to the answer, by Admiral Mullen, that I’d submit that we’re here today because over the course of the past eight years, we’ve been distracted from focusing on Afghanistan. And that’s why we find ourselves in this terrible situation that we’re discussing here today.

UNDER RESOURCED.

UNDER RESOURCED.

Deal with it.

who lies constantly about me through his fecal stained teeth should expect me to engage him in civil discourse, after he invents new libels to spread about me,

That’s rich. Look at who jumped on this thread to spread his libels and lies about me, PROOFounglystupid. Before he jumped in with his attack there was just debate.

HE is the guy who came in on the personal attack. What a baby.

You know why Barri said 18 months? It is quite simple, no great intelligence involved, hence why it came out of Barri’s mouth. Standard length of deployment, US Army.

Now, twirl&spin and lie some more.

I copied the quote verbatum, myself after watching it on the tube. I never found a link.

And Greg, you are either lying or you are too stupid to know what you read. You left the first part of the sentence out;

REPRESENTATIVE BILL DELAHUNT (D-MA): I thank the chairman. I would note in response to the answer, by Admiral Mullen, that I’d submit that we’re here today because over the course of the past eight years, we’ve been distracted from focusing on Afghanistan. And that’s why we find ourselves in this terrible situation that we’re discussing here today.

I think it was you, Admiral Mullen, that talked about turning it around. We’ve been there eight years now. And we’re still talking about turning it around. Is 18 months going to be sufficient?

We’ve been talking about training the Afghan army, the Afghan police. The rates of desertion have been particularly disturbing during the entire eight years. And here we are in 2009 going into 2010 talking about training and building an army.

What has happened over the course of eight years?

ADM. MULLEN: When you – in my view, when you underresource an effort for an extended period of time, when you in many ways starve an effort, the impact, and I don’t just mean with forces, because we’ve done it with training – we’ve done it intellectually; we’ve done it diplomatically, politically; you name it – we were focused on the other war, and that was the priority.

The Admiral answered the question about our troop involvement, because he is smarter than you, and like me, he understood the question and that the Afghan training piece was a concern in addition to the first concern.

Nice try though.

Post the link where I am racist, or where I show sexism towards women or the things you say I said or forever be known as the troll who lies through his vaginal lips.

Wankertized: It’s not cowardice to point out where you continually lie through your fecal stained teeth. When I see you thumping your chest loudly about things you obviously haven’t done or criticizing others for things you more flagrantly do yourself, I call bullsh*t!

If you do not want to be called on your bullsh*t, then don’t spread it!

But if you want to see cowardly, just look at the Tiny Tiki Twerp who very seldom even signs into his own profile, and is too much a craven coward to even claim all of the lies, bullsh*t, misogyny, race baiting and idiocy that he has spewed here over the last two years.
Prove me wrong and man up here, Wankertized! (Like that will happen! I crack myself up!)

Funny! I’m not ashamed of anything I have said here and claimed every comment. You must have really piled the bullcr@p high to be too ashamed or too cowardly to claim them!

Find a blog with training wheels, little Wanker, until you’re man enough to stand behind everything that you spew!

Rob,

on a related note do you ever actually consider the things Obama does? Do you think for yourself? Or is everything just a knee-jerk defense of him?

I could criticize Obama more accurately and better than you could. But because you do it so poorly, so inaccurately and so unfairly, I end up having to defend him.

I could not tell you I would vote for him again. But at least I can use my head. You knee-jerk everything dude. You are really not one to talk.

Of course forms of success and ‘defeat Al Quaeda’ was used more than once.

Ah Hanni, Why do you leave out parts of the quote?

We’ve been talking about training the Afghan army, the Afghan police. The rates of desertion have been particularly disturbing during the entire eight years. And here we are in 2009 going into 2010 talking about training and building an army.

What has happened over the course of eight years?

ADM. MULLEN: When you – in my view, when you underresource an effort for an extended period of time, when you in many ways starve an effort, the impact, and I don’t just mean with forces, because we’ve done it with training – we’ve done it intellectually; we’ve done it diplomatically, politically; you name it – we were focused on the other war, and that was the priority.

They were talking about training the Afghan Army not fighting the war. Good try though.

Could it be that your inability to produce a link where I supposedly “danced on the graves of veterans” is caused by the fact that no such link exists? Because Wankertized was once again lying through his fecal stained teeth?

You nailed sanni in 3 other threads! Let Rob have his moment, you can kick sanni some more in another thread.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt?

Greg,

Game over. You don’t have the courage to admit you were wrong and that you tried to lie.

Your trolling excuse is just a cover-up to back away from what was so obvious. You and Kenny are a match made in lying, partisan heaven.

Yes, you did. Now, prove it, whiny lying c*nt.

No, I meant, pre-”text”. Or some might call it co-text. If you have read Critical Issues in Discourse Analysis you would know why I used that word.

PRETEXT, PRETEXT, PRETEXT.

You idiot.

REP. BERMAN: Any objection?

ADM. MULLEN: Just in my tenure here, sir, that General McKiernan specifically had a fairly substantial request for upwards of 20,000 forces, which we couldn’t meet because they just weren’t there. They were in Iraq. I spoke out very early that Afghanistan had been underresourced and that, from my – from where I lived, the heart of that was underresourced with military forces.

We didn’t have them, because they were pushed to Iraq. And we couldn’t – we really didn’t have the flexibility to move them. That was a priority of a previous president. We do what the president says, and that’s what we did.

REP. BERMAN: The gentleman has expired.

The gentleman from Massachusetts, Mr. Delahunt.

REPRESENTATIVE BILL DELAHUNT (D-MA): I thank the chairman. I would note in response to the answer, by Admiral Mullen, that I’d submit that we’re here today because over the course of the past eight years, we’ve been distracted from focusing on Afghanistan. And that’s why we find ourselves in this terrible situation that we’re discussing here today.

Guess the previous president had his priorities all screwed up.

Kenny, you moron. Greg later admitted he was trolling with that bit about what Mullen “really meant”. You are too dishonest or unintelligent to get or understand that.

Read the pretext:

REP. BERMAN: Any objection?

ADM. MULLEN: Just in my tenure here, sir, that General McKiernan specifically had a fairly substantial request for upwards of 20,000 forces, which we couldn’t meet because they just weren’t there. They were in Iraq. I spoke out very early that Afghanistan had been underresourced and that, from my – from where I lived, the heart of that was underresourced with military forces.

We didn’t have them, because they were pushed to Iraq. And we couldn’t – we really didn’t have the flexibility to move them. That was a priority of a previous president. We do what the president says, and that’s what we did.

REP. BERMAN: The gentleman has expired.

The gentleman from Massachusetts, Mr. Delahunt.

REPRESENTATIVE BILL DELAHUNT (D-MA): I thank the chairman. I would note in response to the answer, by Admiral Mullen, that I’d submit that we’re here today because over the course of the past eight years, we’ve been distracted from focusing on Afghanistan. And that’s why we find ourselves in this terrible situation that we’re discussing here today.

It really doesn’t get any more clear than that. You effing moron.

Look, you aren’t worth having an intelligent conversation with because you are NEVER smart enough to know what you read, or understand the issue. THIS, being a classic example.

The good Admiral talked about MANY things we STARVED, including training. He named them all…starting with troop levels, THEN TRAINING, diplomacy, politically, you name it he said.

It’s not anymore clear than that. So until you can admit he said that…..you are either too stupid or too dishonest to debate.

Now, stop talking about sh@t you don’t understand. You are incapable of understanding this situation.

There is no magic troop number, which is exactly what Obama understands. You aren’t going to solve this problem with just troops, not with 30,000, not with 100,000 or 200,000.

Until we can get the people to turn over the bad guys, or fundamentally dislike the bad guys, troop levels don’t mean a thing. Until we can get the politicians to stop helping them, until we can get permission to go into Pakistan to wave full on assault with everyones cooperation making any effort meaningful…..we are not going to win.

We had our chance, Bush blew it. Bush didn’t blow it ONLY because he didn’t resource the war properly, or because he merely starved it in every conceivable way. He blew it because we had a chance to show the Afghans we were willing to step in when we chased the Taliban out.

We did not provide for them with resources. We did not give them the medial aid they needed. We did not provide the essentials of food or care to rebuild what we destroyed, or rework the political environment…..we left….to pursue a needless war that didn’t do anything except remove a dictator and spread the terrorists in GREAT NUMBERS to a state where there were only a few, hidden, doing nothing, but hiding.

You are dishonest liar Kenny. Your inability to have a debate is nil. This information is for those who want to know the truth, which you are incapable of understanding or admitting because you have a partisan boner for Bush.

Kenny, are you going to lie (again) and say you don’t argue that Afghanistan was ignored?

What a child. You don’t have the balls to admit what the good Admiral admits.

He, has honesty. YOU, are a partisan hack.

Pathetic. What a weasel way to dodge responsibility.

You know, for someone who claims to be as tech savvy as Hanni does, he sure has a lot of trouble with all those linky thingees!

We don’t have to lie about you to discredit you, Wankertized. All we have to do is point out the plethora of errors, lies and nonsense you spew regularly, and point out that most of the time you’re too cowardly to sign into your account (which would allow the cr@p you spew to be more easily traced) and you’re definitely too cowardly to link to all the lies and cr@p you’ve spewed in the past. Is that why you’re making up new sh*t and new lies?

You left the first part of the sentence out;

PRETEXT, PRETEXT, PRETEXT.
You idiot.

Read the pretext:

I think the word you’re searching for is “context”. I am now prepared to hear you defend using the wrong word for the next year and a half. You really should consider the comedy aspects of you calling anyone else a “moron” or an “idiot”, Wankertized!

Rob, how many troops does Obama have to draw from? 100,000.00, 90,000.00 50,000.00 or 45,000.00???

Do you even know what you are talking about???

That’s why he says they STARVED the effort in….and let’s break it down for you;

1) In FORCES

2) TRAINING (that addresses the second question about Afghan training)

3) intellectually

4) Diplomatically

5) Politically

So…again, nice try.

you’ll just make a personal attack because you are a coward.

Personal attack? Like when you recently said that I “danced on the graves of veterans”? Cowardlylyingthroughhisfecalstainedteethitized: How is that not a “personal attack? And you have no link, no evidence that I did any such thing.
You are the partisan boner, Wankertized. You are lying scum. Take your damp, yellow stained “boardies” back to the kiddie pool, until you are willing to provide evidence for or stand behind the multitudes of filth and lies you spew here constantly.

Ah Hanni, Why do you leave out parts of the quote?

Remember, Greg, you’re dealing with someone with an extremely short attention span, limited intelligence, and did I mention he was mind numbingly dishonest?

Greg,

Your trolling excuse is a good one. Why admit when you are wrong or why apologize for your hysterical anger, when you can just blame it on trolling?

Now I don’t believe for a second that you “copied it down from the TV.” I believe you copied from the same transcript of Olberdouche’s show.

Well, you would think that because you are slow. Of course you ignored the fact that I have his complete words, where MSNBC does not. I have his hem’s and hah’s…….how did that happen??

Moron.

Look, the bottom line is that we have more evidence that Bush ignored Afghanistan for the sake of Iraq. HUGE mistake.

Now, we have this disaster in Afghanistan and you are trying to blame it on Obama.

You guys are lying, smearing aholes.

Nor will Kenny be honest about being wrong. The very thing he claims I can’t do. Well, let’s see him do it. Even though I did it on many a thread.

Did you volunteer? At least I am on base, helping our country, helping our war-fighters, and I am thanked by them for doing so.

What have you ever done?

No hatred for the military, that’s just you lying. I was talking about STDs and it’s impact in the Military. It’s not like when you danced on the grave of our veterans.

PROOFounglystupid,

All you do is lie and pesonal attack. You can’t even debate. It isn’t a lie to call you a coward for not being willing to debate, and on all of your racist, sexist and anti-government screeds.

You can’t handle that we are whooping your @sses on this issue.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt?

Still no link, LyingPOSitized? Surprise, surprise, surprise!

I’ll bet he changes his story now and pretends he meant “pretext” all along!

sanni? Where is all your proof that Rob or Kenny have ever lied? Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity? Any proof of either point? Any at all?

Kenny??

Wow, sanni has continued to prove it is a lying, whining c$nt, and e hops in to screech its lies, too. Way too funny.

sanni? You are a racist because you screech your racism with every word you post.

Now, which unit was it that Mullen was speaking of? Which “20,000″ troops was he specifically requesting be deployed? What is that unit designation? Come on, racist a$$hole, show us how stupid we are.

I couldn’t take the lies after only a few minutes.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt?

“You are the one full of crap!” Again to use your words.

Now Kenny can pretend the Joint Chief of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen doesn’t know what he is talking about, but the 3rd rate DJ from….where ever he is from, knows more about how the Afghanistan was managed than the Admiral.

Chuckles.

You do it to me, and now you are doing it to the Admiral. You are PRETENDING. That is your survival skill buddy.

Nice try, but………point Hannitized.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt?

If it is a “personal attack” to point out what a moron you are when you make moronic statements, then c’est la vie!

You’re free to call me out on any imaginary ” stupidity or duplicity or double standards and lies” you think you find on my posts. However, if for once in your life you could produce some credible evidence rather than just , it would be a welcome change!

Little Wankertized is always short on evidence (and hasn’t sufficient intelligence to win debates with shower mold). His style is more drive-by libels. He asserts something obviously false, but that fits into his world view, and then calls people names until they tire of wrestling with the pig.

This is easily proven, as no progress was made in Afghanistan.

And more importantly, there are a large number of Commanders and Admirals who willingly admit the Afghanistan war was under resourced…in every conceivable way.

The fact that these cons ignore and lie about what Admiral Mullen say goes to show they can not be trusted, on anything.

You are not a US Citizen and never served in the US military, you have told us that repeatedly, you are a proud citizen of the nation of Greece, as you have told us over and over.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? You are the one who keeps saying only Christians commit acts of terrorism, now prove it, whiny lying c*nt.

Rob, how many troops does Obama have to draw from? 100,000.00, 90,000.00 50,000.00 or 45,000.00???

Do you even know what you are talking about???

Still too cowardly to answer the question and debate the issue? Or is being a coward and crashing a debate, without debating more your style??

And PROOFoundlystupid, you are too much of a coward to get into this debate because you know I am right and you don’t want to rain on the parade of your fellow travelers.

You don’t want to lie like Kenny and Greg on this issue, so you just slander and use personal attack because you can’t stand it that I go by your posts and call you out on your stupidity or duplicity or double standards and lies.

So go ahead, complete the circle and lie about this debate Kenny is too stupid to understand.

You won’t, instead you’ll just make a personal attack because you are a coward.

Increasing troops isn’t the same thing as saying you were neglecting it.

You effing morons use that tactic against Obama, NOW.

If that’s the case then you can never claim Obama didn’t give enough resources because he increased the number of troops compared to Bumbling Bush, right?

Yeah.

The Admiral was clear. WE STARVED the Afghanistan effort in every conceivable way.

DEAL WITH IT.

I’m waiting to see just how many of those 12,000 troops from our allies actually show up. I’ll be surprised if its anything more than 1,000… and I’m not holding my breath over those.

revision: Increasing troop levels isn’t the same thing as saying you WEREN’T neglecting it. Pouring a shot glass of water on a cornfield isn’t the same thing as saying you were adequately watering it.

Morons.

And 2hotel is lying about you or me or anyone saying Christians are using terrorism to convert people.

It’s just blatant lies to discredit us for being right on a issue.

“I believe we can win in Afghanistan like we won in Iraq.”

What else needs to said about the Iraq debacle and the Afghanistan quagmire?

He says we didn’t have the troops available for a general’s request in 2008. Not that we neglected the war for 8 years.

Both of you are liars.

General McKiernan specifically had a fairly substantial request for upwards of 20,000 forces, which we couldn’t meet because they just weren’t there. They were in Iraq. I spoke out very early that Afghanistan had been underresourced and that, from my – from where I lived, the heart of that was underresourced with military forces.

We didn’t have them, because they were pushed to Iraq. And we couldn’t – we really didn’t have the flexibility to move them. That was a priority of a previous president. We do what the president says, and that’s what we did.

Wow, sanni is still crying over that one sentence. Good job, Rob.

Lets us look at the numbers sanni keep screeching about. US troops in Germany? 57,000. Total troops in Conus? 1,083,027. That the numbers you looking for, c*nt?

If you look closely, you will see that I was mocking him.
He is know to make up stuff and pass it for reality.
Ask him, he is honorable enough to tell you the truth.

What kind of proof do you want sir?

Don’t forget when he posted a picture of some cheerleaders and proudly said “I went out with that!” Or his proud boast that women just cant help but screw around with Hawaii guys. Or his sexual harassment of Anna.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

If Dj’er doesn’t want to take m word for it…why was Chris Matthews calling West Point an enemy camp?

You claimed I said it, you prove it.
The burden of proof is on you.
Other than that have a good day.

PS: Got any more info about the unintelligent intelligence officer that you are so ashamed off?

No, he is not. He will not comment on that because:
a) He does not step on (neo)con toes.
b)He knows you are correct.
c) He is angry as hell, and wants his pound of flesh before he does anything else.

Yet, you yourself ignore the military when they don’t support your view. You ignore the original Admiral who said “Bin Ladin did not slip through our fingers” for some CIA schmuck who, if correct, is the reason Bin Ladin slipped through our fingers.

But hell, that’s what I’d expect from some loser with delusions of grandeur that he is what keeps our country together. The balls to call others stupid for doing a portion of what he himself does.

Proof that 2H9 edits this blog.

And since you refuse, as always, to link to any of your quotes, and since I can’t find the quote you’re using, let’s look at Admiral Mullen.

And let’s go to a leftist source:

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/08/23/afghanistan-deteriorating-admiral-mullen-admits/

Perhaps most incredibly, particularly since he spent so much of his time visiting Congress to defend President Bush’s assorted “new” strategies in the war, Admiral Mullen insisted this is the “first” new strategy the US has embarked on in the entire war. Whether this is selective amnesia on the admiral’s part or a concession that all the other “new” strategies he touted weren’t really new but were the same strategy of escalation and nation-building that has been failing since the 2001 invasion.

Escalation? Politics? Amnesia? Not high praise.

But hey, he said something cool you liked.So you’ll praise him for that. Til he says something you hate. Then he’ll be another war mongering piece of crap that you spit on. Yaaawn.

Greg said he wasn’t trying to debate you, as such debate is impossible. TWO honest people, not one must be involved in a debate. He didn’t say he wasn’t being honest. So now, you’re lying about Greg too. Or maybe you’re just stupid.

Official history? The full quote doesn’t say what you’re claiming. He says we didn’t have the troops available for a general’s request in 2008. Not that we neglected the war for 8 years. Again, the two things AREN’T the same. That we can’t give the general what he wants at one point doesn’t mean we’re neglecting him. Iraq ALREADY HAD the forces he wanted.

You really are self-important for a moron.

Oh, what the hell, let’s have that article again:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-04-10-afghanistan-troop-levels_N.htm

What has become clear as the insurgency has picked up steam over the last year or two is that an increasing number of forces are needed to clear and hold territory,” said Seth Jones, an analyst who follows Afghanistan for the RAND Corp. “In fact, I think a significant number more are needed. I would like to see those U.S. numbers come up.”

Once again, what every person with an IQ above mud knows is that the Taliban fled Afghanistan like rats from a sinking ship. The mission in Afghanistan was mostly humanitarian nation building. There were some Taliban left to fight, and some foreign fighters, but they were sparse. And for years, no one heard much of a peep from Afghanistan. As 2Hotel9 has endlessly pointed out, the US began turning the mission over to the UN and NATO, for a more international feel. The results?

Late 2006-early 2007 the Taliban came rushing back. US commanders on the ground, while not rushing to point fingers, still point out that the blame is with our allies:

The buildup follows several recent reports warning that Afghanistan risks becoming a failed state because of deteriorating international support, spiraling opium production and the growing insurgency. U.S. intelligence officials have reported that al-Qaeda is getting stronger in the Afghan-Pakistan region.

Last year was the deadliest in Afghanistan since 2001. The U.N. says more than 8,000 people died in insurgency-related violence, including more than 1,500 civilians.

…

Jones, the analyst, said that it appears violence has gone down in the east, where the U.S. primarily operates. But he said the south — like Helmand and Kandahar provinces — is “incredibly violent,” and that the insurgency is spreading into the west and areas around the capital as well.

Schweitzer said he’d like to see the success U.S. forces have had in the east replicated in the south, where British, Canadian and Dutch troops operate but where the insurgency is thriving. Schweitzer did not single out any country for criticism but said in general forces need to stay longer than four to six months, as some nations’ troops do.

Where the US has the majority of it’s forces, the violence has gone down. But short rotations from other countries, and the fact that most of our allies refuse to engage the enemy in combat have led to increased violence. So the US commanders want to step up troop levels to do the job our allies refuse to do…kill the enemy.

Far from “ignoring” the war, Bush increased troops, increased duty time, had responded to the calls of the commanders on the ground, and gave them what they wanted. If the strategy was off, that may be a legitimate complaint, but that’s not the complaint you’re making. You’re saying he “ignored” the war, which has, AGAIN, been proven false. You’re just a dumb monkey trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole.

Oh, and Ellinas, thanks for the backup. It’s appreciated after I stood up for you the other night.

We don’t have to lie about you to discredit you, Wankertized.

We? Who is exactly this we?
2hotel9 makes up stuff all the time and constantly repeats the same lie. Robert180 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm has famously stated:

Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

What both Hanni and Lion are too stupid too admit…

I haven’t commented in this thread.

Crap it must suck to be drastically less intelligent than a third rate DJ moron.

Fools.

I am right. Your anger is self evident.
You cannot stand it, when someone calls you something you think you are not.
It drives you crazy.

Now both of you knock it off.
The reason you guys argue so much, is because similars attract. You guys are similar to each other, yet have opposing views. Thus the conflict.

Your proof, please.

Except the war WASN’T ignored. As I have proven time and time again. Increased troops is not ignoring the war.

We under funded the war intellectually? What the hell does that even mean? Next he’ll argue we didn’t allow Santa to fly in. What tripe.

Oops, imagine that, he fudged the quote. I had a suspicion there was a reason a link was omitted…

Have you served Kenny? You look young in your picture, you support the war in Iraq, are you currently avoiding military service?

We wont he war in Iraq, moron, we should be re-deploying troops from Iraq to Afghanistan.

And for all your bluster about other people serving, I remain convinced that you’re lying about your own service.

Those troops in Iraq will still be stationed there long after Obama is gone.
I think you are too naive to think we will get out of there.

4,592 words, victory was not one of them, at least in the text. I was not going to ruin a good evening listening to the smug “ONE”!

E served proudly under the NATO command.
He took part in many, if not all joint exercises, during his time of service.
He is proud to have enabled communication between the different languages spoken.
Climbed many mountains, landed on many beaches, parachuted from many airplanes, jumped and rappelled from many helicopters, and mounted many females at the NATO countries he visited.
He dealt with many idiots and morons, and always prevailed. As he will prevail over the self admitted drunkard who calls himself Hotel, and rats on Rodney Graves.

All of a sudden you believe that throwing money at the problem solves it?
Ha! That’s funny and rich coming from you. For years you have argued that throwing money at a problem is not the answer. Wait till you argue the opposite next time.
A hypocritical political hack you are.
Yep! “We” increased troop levels. But “we” did not increase them in numbers sufficient enough to bring about a conclusion to the war and ensure a complete victory.
Surely, you are intelligent enough to understand the difference.
And understand it you do, I have no doubts.

He is embarrassed by his mistakes. He will not show up.

Except that’s hardly how it’s going. Hannitized is lying, and you’re, sadly, going along with it.

We DIDN’T ignore Afghanistan. I have shown the raw numbers that show that we increased troops 7 out of 8 years, and that we increased funding every year. And I have posted the stories from 2008 again and again and again and again, showing massive troop jumps in Afghanistan. Maybe we didn’t give them as much as they wanted, but that doesn’t mean we gave them NOTHING.

Surely, you are intelligent enough to understand the difference.

If we want to debate the strategy used, that’s fine. There is room to critique mistakes that Bush and co made. If we want to pretend that they packed up shop in Afghanistan and left the door open while no one was there, as Hanni, and now you, are doing…then that’s a gross distortion of the historical record.

If we want to say underfunded, FINE. Tell me what the correct number was, and why that number was better, and we’ll see if we can agree. But don’t insult me by pretending that we left a ghost crew in Afghanistan against a constantly attacking force, instead of admitting that we increased troops against, until 2006, a virtually non-existant threat.

More than you.