Obama Proves the Only True Wind Power is From Politicians

Why am I bringing this up again, you ask? It’s in the news, baby! Barack Obama is using windbag power to inflate expectations of what wind power will do for the country. Photo op aside, the efficiency and drawbacks of wind power make it unrealistic to save our economy or our ecology. It takes energy to manufacture all those windmills sitting idle, like oil derricks on the crest of the hills. As an old friend of mine was fond of saying:

There’s nothing free in Waikiki!

President-elect Barack Obama will call for action to stimulate the economy at an Ohio company that manufactures very large bolts for wind turbine towers, according to announcements by the President-elect’s team and information received by the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA). The company, Cardinal Fastener & Specialty Co., Inc., is based in Bedford Heights, Ohio, and the visit will take place Friday, January 16, as the President-elect travels from Illinois to Washington, D.C., for his Inauguration.
“We are very excited by the selection,” said AWEA CEO Denise Bode. “On that factory floor in Ohio, President-elect Obama will see first-hand how renewable energy creates American manufacturing jobs and helps revitalize our economy.

Bedford Heights is very close to where I lived for the last three years. And windmills are what I have been driving by for the last three or four days…windmills that are not turning at all!
When you listen to what Obama says about “stimulating the economy”, I want you to remember those hundreds and thousands of windmills sitting in the Altamont Pass producing zero electricity at the moment. There is a place for wind energy as part of the nation’s total energy package, but it’s by no means the largest part and it’s by no means cheap!
Cross Posted at Proof Positive

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  • http://Array robert108

    Florida Light and Power enjoys a profit of $100,000 per day!(3 million per month, 36 million per year)

    With a govt controlled market, the concept of “profit” is meaningless. The govt manipulates the prices and the rate of return for political purposes, to retain control of the market.

    Since there is no open market for electricity, it’s market price is unknown. If you don’t know the market price of a commodity, it is impossible to calculate “profit” in any real way.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Speaking of perfect timing! Go here for a list of pollutants associated with photvoltaics!

  • imagine

    There are 132 wind towers in the Langdon ND area. The cost per tower is approx 2.5 million. Florida Light and Power enjoys a profit of $100,000 per day!(3 million per month, 36 million per year)
    The 132 towers generate, on average, 500,000 mega watts. This is dumped into the upper midwest grid (ND,MT, SD, MN, WI, NE,part of Mannitoba and part of Sask.)

    500,000 mega watts is about half of what a cole fired electrical plant does in the western part of the state.

    It is my understanding that these mills in ND will operate at winds as low as 6 mph (though I am not 100% confident on that number…)

    Tomorrow I am going to take a look at the site. This spring I hope to get a more ‘organized’ tour. (I ran into an old buddy that is a technician at the site..he works for FLP which just spun off a new company due to the incredible success of the ND wind farm) He stated that the new “procedure” is to purchase used mills that have been placed in sites that are non-productive or less productive.

    Apparently the ‘ferver’ to put up mills has led to some poor choices in location.

    As far as windpower in ND. Investors are considerably “bullish”. (I am having a look myself…ie…believe none of what you hear, half of what you read and all of what you “see”.)

  • jimmypop

    There are 132 wind towers in the Langdon ND area. The cost per tower is approx 2.5 million. Florida Light and Power enjoys a profit of $100,000 per day!(3 million per month, 36 million per year)

    im call bullshit on this one…. otherwise why this? (see link) who the f^%$ would stop a project?!?!?!?!?

    http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2008/sep/27/fpl-pulls-plug-wind-project/

    additionally, that would comprise 1/4 of their TOTAL annual revenue. (see link)

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=FPL

    where do you have proof of this profit?

  • Halatbis

    For those of you posting from and in the North Dakota area, I would suggest going to the Empower ND Commission report which is now on-line: empower nd The report will give a good over-view of all of ND’s energy sectors plus a good section on wind generation and its benefits and problems.

    Note: a 2MW tower is not yet a common installation. Secondly: 132 towers at 2MW each will gen. at max. 234 MW. However, the best efficiency that is expected out of wind generation is 40% over a span of time–that means that sometimes the output is zero and other times it is something between 0 and 100%. Currently there is no storage for the power coming from wind which means that when the blades are turning and on-the-grid some other power source may have to reduce power–such as a hydro or coal plant.
    Read the report. It is worth the time.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    There is a growing resistance to wind towers from rural residents who claim they make noise and destroy the landscape.

    It’s funny! There are counties in California that won’t allow you to build your own house on top of a ridgeline, because it might spoil the sightline from a highway, but you can put an oil derrick with a beanie cap on a ridgeline and everything’s hunky-dory*!

    *In the Altamont Pass, at least!

  • imagine

    rob-given the recent ‘bailouts’ and bush tax breaks…please tell me who is “not” subsidized right now?

    financial industry
    auto
    farm
    wind energy
    all gov jobs

    what is left? the small business that has avoided Walmarts grasp? But isn’t even an SBA loan a form of assistance?

    There are damn few pure capitalistic enterprises…in fact I would wager that there are zero pure enterprises…

  • Mickey

    A cost base analysis of 2 MW wind generators equates to $10,000 per mega watt generated from a single unit, when they are running at the minimum required speed of 13 mph.
    The large utility wind towers cost between $2-$3 million dollars each.

    There is a growing resistance to wind towers from rural residents who claim they make noise and destroy the landscape. Ask the liberal Kennedy’s about that.

    Wind generation is at best a supplemental energy source.

  • FlyOnTheWall

    Bill-tb

    Windmills are about as efficient as solar panels. When you do a cradle to grave analysis of the both, you find they wear out before they pay back their energy costs.

    I’ve been wondering about that. My own area is closer to Photovoltaic but just looking at what it takes to put one of those monsters up, your assessment sounds about right to me.

    Any source for the numbers? Linky?

    China’s come up with a new design reducing friction for generation at lower windspeed and less lockup at higher speeds. That would help.

  • imagine

    fyi- your photo is, to my understanding, the earliest models installed. They have a large ‘footprint’ are less efficient (due to blade size, spin diameter etc…thus need more wind to operate and have a narrower (if thats a word)window of high end operation.)

    sorry, I just used the worst grammar and punctuation in the world.

  • bill-tb

    Just how much wind does it take to build a windmill? Or do you just plug in the windmill making machines to the electric outlet and don’t tell anybody.

    Windmills are about as efficient as solar panels. When you do a cradle to grave analysis of the both, you find they wear out before they pay back their energy costs.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    FOTW: One of the other problems with photovoltaics, apart from the ROI, is the amount of generally toxic chemicals involved in the manufacture. If you goal is to reduce overall pollution, that has to be figured in the equation as well!
    Remember that enviro-propaganda aimed at children Captain Planet? They showed how eco-friendly there were by having an all electric helicopter, that they just plugged into that nice clean socket on the wall, without ever getting into the messy details about how the electricity is generated to get into the wall!

    The devil is in the details!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    fyi- your photo is, to my understanding, the earliest models installed. They have a large ‘footprint’ are less efficient (due to blade size, spin diameter etc…thus need more wind to operate and have a narrower (if thats a word)window of high end operation.)

    That picture was just of a few I could get a clear enough shot of, at freeway speeds. All of the windmills were dead in the water, so to speak. Old and new, short and tall…all!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    There are 132 wind towers in the Langdon ND area. The cost per tower is approx 2.5 million. Florida Light and Power enjoys a profit of $100,000 per day!(3 million per month, 36 million per year)

    But the only reason the company gets that profit is because of the heavy subsidies taxpayers dole out to prop up wind power.

    As far as windpower in ND. Investors are considerably “bullish”.

    Well sure. There’s not much of a risk to an investment into an industry that won’t be allowed to fail as long as the taxpayers have money to subsidize it.

    I’ll jump on the wind bandwagon when it’s producing power for us without subsidies.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    rob-given the recent ‘bailouts’ and bush tax breaks…please tell me who is “not” subsidized right now?

    Because two wrongs make a right? Is that how the teenagers do it? “But…everyone else is doing it!”

    Personally, I’d like a more mature and responsible approach to energy issues.

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