Obama Press Secretary: We’ll Get Rid Of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” Military Policies

This is going to be controversial:


Personally, I’m all for ending any policy that causes gays to be treated differently from every other soldier. I think that gay troops should be able to be openly gay while they serve and only restricted by the same sort of policies the rest of the military serves under when it comes to bringing up relationships and sexual topics during service. I don’t think the military is any place for sexual advocacy, but gay troops should be able to be openly gay without fear of being dismissed.
The military has terminated 12,500 service men and women since 1994 because of these policies, and if in all of those terminations the sexual orientation of the troop in question was the only cause for termination that’s a real shame.
According to an Military Times poll of active duty troops, however, most said they oppose ending “don’t ask don’t tell” policies and a full 24% of those polled said they’d either refuse to re-enlist or consider not re-enlisting if the policies were lifted.
In a time when America needs its military, that is not a good sign. If Obama does what he’s promising to do, it’s not likely to make him any more popular with the military. Of course, his approval numbers with military types probably couldn’t go much lower anyway, so maybe it’s a moot point.
Discussion question: How much does this sudden announcement have to do with distracting gay liberals from Rick Warren giving the invocation at The One’s inauguration?

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  • http://Array ellinas

    jk. You are amply and aptly illustrating your childish behaviour.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    A couple of misspellings, my ignorance of the word “bate”. Things I admit I do not know.

    Other than that, no one here has proven me wrong on anything of substance.

  • jk

    Nothing to refute. He just blabbers. He’s just an angry, bitter little nothing who has nothing to contribute other than being entertaining. If it’s something he doesn’t know or believe, then it must be a lie. He’s a sick little fucker. But I’m sure he appreciates you sticking up for him. Must be that “water seeks it’s own level” kind of thing. Good pic of him, you must agree.

  • Neiman

    The world has changed a lot since my military career, at which time openly homosexual Marines would have been a source of major disruption of unit cohesion, they simply would not have been and were not tolerated; but when they kept their sexuality private they were able to serve honorably and often bravely, and some have made important contributions as leaders of men. Yet, even now, in a decidely liberal culture, among young men with raging testosterone, a macho fighting soldiers self-image and heterosexual, I doubt that openly gay men would contribute to unit cohesion and would in fact cause resentment and a distraction in front line units during war.

    It therefore strikes me, as my personal opinion, that don’t ask, don’t still tell remains the best policy. It does not deny homosexuals a right to wear our countries uniform, to fight for our nation or enjoy full rights as a soldiers, but it emphasizes unit cohesion need for an effective fighting force over raging, out of control political correctness.

  • Bill

    JK,

    Your little post with the picture was pretty gay dude, no pun intended. We all know that Dino has some bizzare ideas, but in America, he’s allowed to. And if it was necessary, I would die so he could have his weird ideas about politics, because as long as he is allowed to have his, I am allowed to have mine… for now, at least, until the internet becomes regulated via some sort of fairness doctrine.

    No sense in demonizing gays just because of one bad apple.

  • jk

    DINO has been proven wrong many, many times by many, many people on this site. Just like the rest of us, he has the right to express himself right OR wrong and deal with any comments that come back at him.

  • http://www.poorschmuck.net/ John D

    I recall two gay soldiers in one of my units. Both were openly gay. One did his job very well and didn’t shove his sexuality into everyone’s face. Everyone thought he was a great guy and he was promoted.

    The other was blatant, in-your-face and brought guys to the barracks, provoked fights over his sexuality and was an all around jerk. He was discharged.

    A lot of the people who were discharge under “don’t ask, don’t tell” were either malcontents or used the policy as a way of getting out.

    There’s nothing about being gay that makes you a better person than anyone else.

  • syn

    Dino

    Get yourself really to be drafted. If the miliatry loses 10% in re-enlistment, the O will be coming after you kiddie.

    And, don’t think you will be able to escape to Canada.

  • ellinas

    Nothing to refute. He just blabbers. He’s just an angry, bitter little nothing who has nothing to contribute other than being entertaining.

    jk on January 11, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Dismissing him and demonizing him does not lessen the impact of his posts.
    You are no match for him so you resort to personal attacks.
    Stuff that is inaccurate to boot. How pathetic.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Aaaaaaaaand the record stands.

  • robert108

    The real answer to the leftie sexualizing of our military is to put the homo men with the normal women, and the homo women with the normal men. The “gals” could talk about colors, fabrics and makeup, while the “guys” could compare tatoos and scars.

  • ellinas

    jk. I am not sticking up for DINO. He is doing a pretty good job on his own. I am merely pointing out your childish behaviour.
    My answer still stands. You can’t refute the guy, so you start stupid personal stuff.
    And just because you say y’all refuted him or proved him wrong does not make it so. How pathetic.

  • ellinas

    jk. You can’t refute the guy, so you start stupid personal stuff.
    How pathetic.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    It’s not surprising, since Barry avoided military service.

  • jk

    John’s story sounds like he’s describing DINO. You know, the one that causes problems, does nothing to help, contributes nothing and thinks he’s special just because he sucks cock and gets fucked in the ass.

  • syn

    If Democrats pass “Don’t Ask, Don’t tell” how will the Democrat Slave Plantation be able to con Gay Agenda into donating hundreds of millions of campaign $$$ to Democrat campaign coffers?

    In other words, if Gay Agenda received everything demanded what use would be the Democrat Party?

    Democrats want the money more than they want rights; Rights are what Dems use to maintain their Plantation.

  • http://forums.kikizo.com/ Eddie_the_Hated

    Holy shit….

    I had to scroll halfway up the comments page to get to topic on discussion.

    DINO is a dick. Deal with it.

    Back to the subject at hand, I think gays should be able to join the military. I’m all for it, but y’know what? I’m not in the military, so my vote shouldn’t mean shit. I won’t be the one dealing with unit cohesion, they will, and if they say they don’t want it, what good are we doing foisting this upon them?

  • bill-tb

    At least we know what is important to Obama.

    Not something I would put at the top of my agenda.

  • Spartacus

    My ignorance. Other than that, no one here has proven me wrong on anything of substance.

    There, fixed it!

  • robert108

    jk: dino sounds like an angry teenager who has been exposed to nothing else but “The Communist Manifesto”, and who thinks that is the only knowledge in the world. It buys into the “violent revolution, class struggle” mythology of Marx. If dino were a teenager in the Thirties in Germany, who had ready only “Mein Kampf”, it would be a Hitler Youth, spouting the “Final Solution” nonsense. In fact, dino prescribes his own “Final Solution” for all who he describes as “conservatives”, even though he has no understanding of the term. If you take his screeds, and substitute “Jews” for “conservatives”, you will see where dino is really coming from.
    dino is a Nazi scum.

  • jk

    P.S. Since you feel the need to set the “DINO RECORD” straight (no pun intended) you better start looking at all the other comments his submitted where he’s been proven wrong by so many others. I hope you’ve got a lot of time, there’s bundles of them. Enjoy your Sunday.

  • jk

    Again, nothing to refute. And you’re as irrelevant as he is, as we all are. I’ve never dismissed him nor made him a demon. Just because he screams and squawks louder than anyone else doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about, it’s just his opinion based on what he perceives, and we all see things and perceive things differently.

  • robert108

    And just because you say y’all refuted him or proved him wrong does not make it so. How pathetic.

    Just because you say we can’t refute him doesn’t mean we haven’t; you are just too ignorant and dishonest to know how thoroughly little dino has been refuted on every single point he has ever attempted to make. Truly pathetic, e liar.

  • jk

    [PORTLAND JUST RELEASED DINO'S MUG SHOT]

  • http://forums.kikizo.com/ Eddie_the_Hated

    It’s solely dependent on if the media decides to run with the story.

  • Lioncourt

    Kevin, where did you serve?

  • Spartacus

    Sorry Dino, I should have used italics instead of the quote.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Other than that, no one here has proven me wrong on anything of substance.

    Dino is having delusions of adequacy again! Please tell us again how Obama’s inauguration will be celebrated more than the Fourth of July?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Thanks for the bullshit story, John!

  • jk

    DINO: Anti-American, anti-Israel, anti semetic, admires Hugo Chavez, the Castro brothers, Ahmadinajhad and other enemies of the United States, pro-socialism and pro Marxist and communist sympathizer.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I wouldn’t say Obama avoided military service. He just didn’t choose it as part of his career.

    Lot’s of people do that. I don’t hold it against him.

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