Neiman: you say:

I respect your views and share your dislike of McCain, but at least be honest, when you don’t vote for McCain you are casting a yes vote for Obama and all the evil that entails. There is no escaping that simple fact.

What is all this evil you are talking about?

Whistler: I respect your views and share your dislike of McCain, but at least be honest, when you don’t vote for McCain you are casting a yes vote for Obama and all the evil that entails. There is no escaping that simple fact.

Better McCain than Obama and then get off your buttocks and work overtime to rebuild the Republican Party from within and prevent a Democrat landslide in Congress this year.

No, there is no choice right now.

I think you left out “a miracle happens” in there Neiman.

The problem is that McCain’s going to lead to a destruction of the Republican party.

I’ll weigh a candidates pros and cons but if they are going to be on balance bad for the country, I won’t vote for them.

By the way this isn’t an easy decision.

I voted for GW Bush, I voted for Bob Dole, I voted for G HW Bush, I voted for Ronald Reagan, I would have voted for Gerald Ford had I been old enough. As a dumb kid I liked Richard Nixon but knowing what I know now (OSHA, Price Controls) I wouldn’t have voted for him in 1972.

Whistler: Then what is YOUR solution? Third Party? It elects Obama! Don’t vote? It elects Obama! It is easy to be a naysayer, versus offering a reasonable answer. If it is Obama, Pparets is right about one thing, we conservatives may never get up to bat again.

So, as distatseful as it may be, I know I have little use for McCain, when I place on the scales the smaller amount of harm he may cause through his liberal tendencies versus the sure and much, much greater harm that Obama will inflict upon this nation on the other side, I think we have to financially support and vote for McCain. Beyond that our only hope is to get enough Republicans elected into the Senate to keep it from being filibuster proof and put pressure on the Republican Party to get off their collective asses, increase Republican representation in Congress in 2010 and recapture Congress and the White House in 2012.

OO.

At some point you have to draw a line in the sand. McCain’s global warming scheme is where I won’t take it.

If anything is dangerous to the country it’s that. We beat the fascists with our economy. We beat the commies with our economy. We can beat the jihadists with our economy.

John McCain is dead flat wrong.

With McCain running Obama’s chances look really good. Let’s console ourselves with the thought of watching this chump implode on a daily basis every time he’s given a tough question.

Small gratification that. Remember he will be the one with the finger on our nuclear arsenal. If that doesn’t bother you, nothing about him will.

No, whistler: For you it is exactly about the party.

The election will be between John McCain and Barack Obama.

You may never publicly say it, but I know that you are wise enough to understand that between those two, there is only one choice – however painful -for any thoughtful American, John McCain.

Neiman: Amen!

Part of it entails who McCain will pick as a running mate. That will affect my decision on voting for him.

And he’s gotta stop making it seem like his rightward shift was a lie.

It is already hard to support McCain, but I’ve made it clear that if it comes to him vs Obama, I will vote for him. He’s starting to make me reconsider that…

I swear, no one understands what the fuck a primary election is for. “The party”…the Republican party (that is all the people who voted in the Republican Primaries throughout these United States) has all but officially chosen John McCain to be their nominee for the office of President of the United States in the coming November election. So who is being “saved”? The majority of Republican Primary voters? From their collective judgement? Primaries ARE the intra-party fight. Once that is settled, the party unites behind it’s nominee and pushes for victory in the general election. If the parties were less polarized, feet stomping and fit throwing and hand sitting would be a tad bit more respectable. As it stands, there are VAST differences between the center-right McCain and the off-the-deep-end-marxist-terrorist-sympathizing-leftist Obama. Let it be known (as you are doing now) that he supports and promotes things you vehemently disagree with. But withhold your vote for him and suffer further setbacks to your agenda. Of the progressive agenda, much has been implemented over the decades. How easy have they ever been rolled back? How tenuous are similar gains for the conservative agenda? It used to be that I thought people understood why conservatives HAD TO win the war of ideas. Conservatives have to rhetorically best the opposition and sway people to the conservative way of thinking. Ufortunately, the mass media is too busy carrying the opposition’s water to give those ideas, that side of the story a fair airing. There is no choice but to fight harder. Instead Republicans throw fits and throw in the towel when it all doesn’t work out just perfect. They started tearing down the party in 2005 shortly after re-electing Bush. And over what? In the beginning – “PORK”. Because that trifling segment of the federal budget was somehow the most important issue facing the nation. They could have spent equal effort on entitlement spending and better served their movement, but no. Republican “PORK”! Throw the bastards out! How’s that anti-pork agenda doin’ now? Unify or learn what it means to truly be maligned. In four years there will be another set of primaries – a new shot at picking a candidate that better reflects your convictions. This one is finished. As a party, Republicans in states that award their delegates winner-take-all may decide they should revisit that arrangement. Just a suggestion.

DocDave:

If that doesn’t bother you…

It won’t. Whistler has a single agenda. Stop McCain regardless of what it does to the nation.

He skews data, creates silly polls… For Whistler this has become a mission … an obsession… regardless of the outcome.

You left out the “no matter what he does to the country” PP.

I’m sorry it’s more than a “party thing” to me.