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Well I loved the sex education classes in Junior High, but I’ve heard that the proponents of those classes promised that these classes would end all kinds of problems from teen pregnancy to “VD”.

I think the left used to lie way back when.

(On the other hand the “Boy to Man” film they showed us in 5th grade pretty much had me confused all to heck.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

http://www.tv.com/south-park/proper-condom-use/episode/63618/trivia.html#quotes

Chef: Look, schools are teaching condom use to younger and younger students each say! But sex isn’t something that should be taught in textbooks and diagrams. Sex is emotional and spiritual. It needs to be taught by family. I know it can be hard, parents, but if you leave it up to the schools to teach sex to kids, you don’t know who they’re learning it from. It could be from someone who doesn’t know, [pans to Mr. Mackey] someone who has a bad opinion of it, [pans to Ms. Choksondik] or even a complete pervert. [pans to Mr. Garrison]
Mr. Garrison: What? Why did you pan to me just now? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

http://www.southparkstuff.com/season_5/episode_507/epi507script/

To his Kindergarten Class-Mr. Garrison:

Okay children, so what other sexual positions have we talked about? Yeah, the wrap-around butt grab. Sure, can’t forget that. Uh huh, reverse cowgirl. Good, Kevin. Hot Lunch, sure, she likes that. Donkey Punch, uh huh. Glass-bottom boat. Good one, yes. Fish-eye. Good, Jenny. Chili dog. Mm-hm.

If abortion is a basic human right, then it is an obligation of the taxpayers to financially help those unable to afford access to abortion services.

The Left insists that under the right to privacy to wit: “Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution The enumeration (specifically listed or named) in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage.” Thus, the Left insists that by virtue staris decisis (to abide by decided cases) abortion has become a new basic human right retained by the people.

Of course, the only problem is that the people had nothing to do with it, it was a matter of activist judges and liberal organizations that have manufactured a human right out of whole cloth and absent the consent of the governed. So, even if we have bad law and it gets confirmed X amount of times, that alone makes it settled law and in this case a basic human right? Not in my world and I suspect the Founding Fathers would see this as an abuse of the 9th Amendment.

So, I agree with Rob about not paying for someone to use abortion as a means of birth control, but if the people by their silence uphold abortion as a basic human right, shouldn’t we pay for it? Oh sure it’s the wholesale slaughter of innocent human beings unable to defend themselves, but what the hell it’s a human right to murder innocent human beings. Wait a minute, what about the baby’s basic human right to life?

Sex education as part of science, to teach the basic biological lessons is necessary in school, but at what age should be up to the local community standards and NOT a matter to be decided by the elite educational establishment, exercising authority over the children in any community not granted to them by the people. The educational establishment, especially the NEA has no authority over our children unless we are silent, so if the parents in local communities don’t object, then “let the devil take the hindmost,’ which among its several meanings tells us that if we are lazy and don’t keep ahead of the devil, he will surely overtake us and force his will upon us.

Sadly, I think I am guilty of bloviating on this issue; that is, to enlarge upon a subject beyond any real reason or need.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

If abortion is a basic human right, then it is an obligation of the taxpayers to financially help those unable to afford access to abortion services.

The right to keep and bear arms is in the Constitution.  When are the taxpayers going to get me that .45 I’ve had my eye on?

The right to free speech is in there too.  When are the taxpayers going to pick up the hosting costs of this blog?

How about the right to practice religion freely?  That’s in there too.  When are the taxpayers going to start subsidizing churches?

That is a specious argument if I’ve ever heard one.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Sex education as part of science, to teach the basic biological lessons is necessary in school, but at what age should be up to the local community standards and NOT a matter to be decided by the elite educational establishment, exercising authority over the children in any community not granted to them by the people.

Very correct.  It is science and is specifically part of biology.  I am not adverse to teaching it as part of a 6th-7th-8th grade science course or during the similar timeframe as part of health and nutrition.  But as a stand-alone class, it is not something that belongs in a special category.  I cannot imagine that schools that lack health or science curriculums should instead spend class time teaching an “optional” subject.

Problem is that in the schools that have the most “children left behind” they are in the worst need of sex ed. 

Also keep in mind that black women are 3 times as likely as white to have abortions and despite being only 12-15% of the population, they make up almost 40% of the total abortions.  Hispanics are twice as likely as whites to have an abortion and despite being roughly 12-15% of the population, the account for another 30% of the abortions. 

Maybe Obama is stating that his CONSTITUENTS need sex ed and abortions paid for by the state.

Basic Human Right???  What twit thought that up?

Next to the words “Fair” and “Fairness,” the word “Right,” used in a legal sense, is probably the most misused in the entire political lexicon.

As Rob points out, the fact that a person is entitled to do something does not make it a human or civil “right,” and it certainly doesn’t mandate an open-ended financial obligation by taxpayers to pick up the tab for anyone who says they can’t pay for it.

If we would all learn to use words with precision, and ignore the Left’s deliberate linguistic larceny this wouldn’t even be an issue.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Rob: Take a deep breath: 1. I was arguing against abortion being a basic human right. 2. While I still maintain that abortion is not a basic human right, surely there would be difference between denying a woman access to health care and denying her a gun?

I do not think abortion is a basic human right, I am on your side on this issue without an equivocation or shade of meaning; I am only saying that if a clear majority of the people through the Amendment process said they wanted it to be a human right for every female citizen, then I could understand why they would demand provisions would have to be made to help those who through financial deprivation could not gain access to the health care needed to access the full benefits of that newly established human right.

Stop arguing when we agree or I’ll tell Whistler to send out those naughty pictures to the media that he has of you.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Billy Jeff arued what the definition of is - is and now I know why:

If abortion is a basic human right, then it is an obligation of the taxpayers to financially help those unable to afford access to abortion services

Doesn’t if in this case indicate a let’s assume for the sake of arguement statement?  That is what my opening paragraph started with, a simple ”If,” well if you people cannot understand what ”If” means, then ”If you!”

IF is a conjunction used to indicate the cirsumstances that would have to exist in order for something to happen or be true.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

1. I was arguing against abortion being a basic human right.

I realized that.  Not sure why you think I didn’t.

2. While I still maintain that abortion is not a basic human right, surely there would be difference between denying a woman access to health care and denying her a gun?

I don’t see a difference. The rights laid out in the constitution (and those are the only rights recognized in this country) are individual rights.  Meaning that the individual can exercise them.  Not that an individual has to exercise them, or should exercise them.

So while I, nor anyone else, can remove your right to speak your mind on politics...I don’t have to pay for you to speak your mind on politics.

The same applies to the abortion situation.  If it is a right (it isn’t, but that’s how the courts are requiring us to treat it) women are free to exercise it if they want.  But that status of a right doesn’t imply any duty to citizens as a whole for paying for the woman to exercise that right.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Doesn’t if in this case indicate a let’s assume for the sake of arguement statement?

Frankly, from the way you italicized it, I thought you were quoting someone else.

To me, it doesn’t matter if abortion is a right or not.  I shouldn’t have to pay for it, just as I don’t have to pay for you to exercise any of your other rights.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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But as a stand-alone class,

I can not imagine spending 12 weeks on sex ed. lol, that would definitely leave too much time for unnecessary education.

We could cover the more detailed subjects like “mud wrestling”

http://www.azcentral.com/ent/nightlife/articles/0716mudwrestle.html

Bikini mud wrestling isn’t as sexy as you might think.

Saturday night at All Starz Sports Bar & Grill in Chandler, watching half-naked women writhe around in a kiddie pool of mud proved more akin to watching Animal Planet than the Playboy channel.

To raise money for the post-production of their independent horror film the Virgin Murders, producers organized a mud wrestling competition between the movie’s stars and any Valley women who signed a waiver.

I had a “health class” in 7th grade that covered the basics about puberty, sex, std’s and pregnancy.  For parts of the class boys and girls were together, other parts they separated us.

I thought that was a good way to handle it.  I sometimes think the people who want to start this in kindergarten aren’t just baiting conservative-minded parents.  Because I really don’t see a need for it.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Whenever I quote someone else, I use regular quotation marks “. When I am making a made up converstion, I use the single ‘ to indicate that versus a real quotation.

I was not discussing what you or I are willing to pay, I am making a rhetorical arguement I believe the other side would advance.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

. The Obama campaign gave this statement to CBN’s David Brody: “Barack Obama supports sensible, community-driven education for children because, among other things, he believes it could help protect them from pedophiles. A child’s knowledge of the difference between appropriate and inappropriate touching is crucial to keeping them safe from predators.”

Brody’s analysis: “Obama doesn’t want to hand out condoms to five year olds. He doesn’t want cucumber demonstrations as part of show and tell. The legitimate reasonable discussion here is whether the federal government and/or local school boards should get involved in providing these five year olds information about inappropriate touching or should it be left up to families only.”

Obama spokesman Bill Burton tells First Read: “You can teach a kid about what’s appropriate and not appropriate to protect them from predators out there.” In addition, he issued a document showing that the Oregon Department of Education has guidelines for sex education for children in grades K-3 (which includes understanding the difference between a good touch and a bad touch), and that the Sexuality Information And Education Council of the United States has curriculum for those in kindergarten.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/19/277886.aspx

Problem is that in the schools that have the most “children left behind” they are in the worst need of sex ed.

Justin are you saying that the schools where there is a lot of teen pregnancy that there is not sex education?

Because it seems to me that those schools are generally run by the most liberal and therefore would likely have the most liberal curriculum including sex education.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

denying a woman access to health care

Neiman, this is where you are DEAD wrong, and I don’t care what philosophical point you’re trying to make.

ABORTION IS NOT HEALTH CARE!!! It is not a philosophical concept. It is flipping murder! You don’t believe me, go on the net and look at some pictures of the abortions they do here even in the first few months.

I don’t blame you, you’ve probably been just watching too much network TV or Obama and Hillary tapes.

You gotta remember: If you get told over and over again that Auswitch is a health care facility, you’re going to start believing it. Same with slavary… nah, they’re not humans.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

JP1125,

Sex education isn’t predator education.

Go back to campaign HQ and tell them that line didn’t work.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Justin are you saying that the schools where there is a lot of teen pregnancy that there is not sex education?

Nope, saying that by the time kids get to the 6th grade to take sex ed, they already have kids.

Imagine if the Liberals weren’t there to teach the 14 year olds where planned parenthood was located in their neighborhood.  Then we would really have a problem.

I was not discussing what you or I are willing to pay, I am making a rhetorical arguement I believe the other side would advance.

Fair enough.  I’m shooting down that rhetorical argument.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Will: For you to make the statements you made in your post, it means that you are incapable of reading the English language. You are urgently in need of remedial reading courses and until then please don’t pretend that you understand the written word:

“it was a matter of activist judges and liberal organizations that have manufactured a human right out of whole cloth and absent the consent of the governed.”

“it’s [abortion] the wholesale slaughter of innocent human beings unable to defend themselves, but what the hell it’s a human right to murder innocent human beings. Wait a minute, what about the baby’s basic human

right to life?”

“I was arguing against abortion being a basic human right.”

“I do not think abortion is a basic human right”

I could go on and on with examples of my statements like these above, so my undereducated friend your statements were completely wrong in every way and you should not pretend that you can read the English language, you have proven that to be a lie.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Nope, saying that by the time kids get to the 6th grade to take sex ed, they already have kids.

12 or 13 in 6th grade.  Might have been your schedule but it wasn’t mine. 

Teen pregnancy skyrocket after sex education became universal. 

Now I believe it’s a good thing when you’re in puberty but don’t be saying that it solves any problems besides red faces for Dads.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Will: For you to make the statements you made in your post, it means that you are incapable of reading the English language

I hold my own in English alright, but I do have a hard time understanding nonsense.

FALSE hypothetical questions are NOT ONLY ridiculous but ARE misleading to the casual reader and subtly reinforces lies. Why don’t you consider asking more silly hypotheticals like “If there was a law to kill all Jews, what would be the best way to kill them?”

Ooohhh… ohhh… I said If!!

Why? What is the purpose of an impossible and FALSE hypothetical? If you’re equally as educated in math as you think you are in English, you would know that any statement based on a false statement is already false. You just waste people’s time. What’s the point?

Watch “Life Is Beautiful"… great quote by a German subtly pushing the German people to accept the concentration camps.

Goes something like this:

“I can’t believe the state of our education system” she says. “I recently asked a class ‘If there were 10,000 dead jews, and we exterminated 500 more, how many Jews would there be?’. And nobody knew the correct answer! Isn’t that is terrible!.”

I’m not necessarily accusing you having a liberal agenda, but I am here to slam nonsense before it even gets in the door.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

Will:
Again, you cannot read, you cannot possibly if you can even hint I might have a liberal agenda, be supportive of abortion or believe it is a basic human right. You are only exposing your own illiteracy

Members of my family were killed by the Nazi’s, my father and father-in-law fought against them in Europe, my father-in-law was one of the first American soldiers in Dachau Concentration camp, and long with my brother and brother-in-law I have fought for this country; so I hope you will understand why I don’t need any lectures from you on those matters.

If you are too ignorant to understand the debate value in examining the arguments of your opponents to stir further debate and open up an issue to real examination, I doubt you even graduated from Elementary School.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Even after you had a chance to think about it, here’s your 2nd time explaining:

I am only saying that if a clear majority of the people through the Amendment process said they wanted it to be a human right for every female citizen, then I could understand why they would demand provisions would have to be made to help those ...

This is just garbage. Where’s the value of debate in “understanding” people’s illogical conclusions? What is there to debate? They’re wrong.

If you are too ignorant to understand the debate value in examining the arguments

I see no value in discussing false hypotheticals such as your first quote above.

I hope you will understand why I don’t need any lectures

Excellent, then you now understand how a false hypothetical can lead to confusion… just as my hypothetical led you to think I thought you didn’t like jews.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

Will: Yours was not a hypothetical, you were assuming I am an anti-Semite, don’t play games.

If you think you are going to set the rules of debate, you should stop breathing and thinking through your anal sphincter, it will only give yo a crappy outlook on life. You should not try and engage in debates with adults.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

your anal sphincter,

You should not try and engage in debates with adults.

are two good reasons not to continue this conversation.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

"Vagina junction, what’s your function?

Takin’ in sperm and spitting out babies!”

Will: You must be a Democrat, you choose to cut-and-run, as you don’t have the guits for a fight!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman - While I still maintain that abortion is not a basic human right, surely there would be difference between denying a woman access to health care and denying her a gun?

Abortion = “health care”?

You said it Neiman. I don’t know why you’re jumping all over will. He’s rightfully called out your folly here.

Now we all know that you don’t agree with abortion. That part is not in dispute. At the same time, it doesn’t really make sense to jump on will for pulling that sentence out and correcting it. You should have thanked him instead of insulted him.

You sure do have a habit of fiercely arguing with those who already agree with your position! Learn to aim better Neiman. Friendly fire is wasted ammo.

Likwidshoe:
1. As I explained to Rob and Will, I was making the argument of the Left on this issue to compare that position to the Truth. That included the necessity of making the health care point, as they promote abortion as a health care issue. That link was critical, because if they can get away with painting abortion as a basic human right based on the 9th Amendment and staris decisis, as a matter of the health of the woman, then they can demand those women not being able to afford this critical health care (as they see it) should get financial help from the rest of us that embrace basic human rights. Do you get the point?

2. Apparently, you did not really read his first post when he viciously attacked me. He was not correcting a mistake, as I made no mistake, I made a deliberate point, he chose to mindlessly attack me and demanded that I not use the method of debate I employed because he personally felt it was a poor way to explain the issue, he thereby wanted to demand rules of debate of his own making.

I don’t blame you, you’ve probably been just watching too much network TV or Obama and Hillary tapes. You gotta remember: If you get told over and over again that Auswitch is a health care facility, you’re going to start believing it. Same with slavary… nah, they’re not humans

3. If you know anything about me at all, you know that when attacked I take no freaking prisoners, and my enemy identification does not exclude people just because they agree with me on a few issues. If anyone attacks me personally they are my enemy and I will not hold back my punches.

I state my beliefs directly and defend them with passion, because that is a necessary element to stir up strong debate; and if I am proven wrong, the next time I will debate with the new knowledge with the same passion and directness; if others cannot show me where I am wrong, next time I will state my beliefs even more strongly. That is the best way in my opinion to learn, to grow and become better at undersyanding and debating important issues.  Mamby pamby, milk toast, I really don’t know what I am talking about only produces condescension by the person on the opposite side of the issue and real, positive debate is ended.

Had Will simply challenged the words I used in a polite, direct manner, I would have tried to explain what I was trying to achieve, but when he attacked me and demanded to set the rules of debate, all reasonable, decent discourse was forever ended.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

As I explained to Rob and Will, I was making the argument of the Left on this issue to compare that position to the Truth.

Your “if” statement scenario was pretty soft and open-ended. We live in a world where people do agree with your “if” scenario. I just couldn’t let it go unchallenged.

But it seems clear from your followup that you believe abortion is wrong, and Obama’s a nut for his love affair with sex ed and abortion. So likwidshoe’s got the right idea- I think we’re on the same team… anymore bickering and I’m gonna to have to run for senate.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

Neiman,

Did you have to go to school to learn to be such a pompass, self-serving, prissy little prig--or did it just come natural to you?

Regards…

LoadTheMule: No! I just watched your trailer trash, transsexual father, bull dyke lesbian mother, your love affair with a retarded goat and your other relatives inbreed until you all became anal retentive redneck jackasses. Thanks for the help!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Will:

Oh sure it’s [abortion] the wholesale slaughter of innocent human beings unable to defend themselves, but what the hell it’s a human right to murder innocent human beings. Wait a minute, what about the baby’s basic human right to life?

at what age should be up to the local community standards and NOT a matter to be decided by the elite educational establishment, exercising authority over the children in any community not granted to them by the people

These were two quotes from my first post, please help me understand how after reading them you could believe I support abortion or sex education for kindergarten age children in any manner. I think your anger at the Left, which is thoroughly justified by the way, when you saw me using arguments they would have made to make my point, and being angry at them you fired shots at me. I have done the same thing many times, but I am only saying your attacks were not justified by my clearly stated, often beliefs on these issues.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

my clearly stated, often beliefs on these issues.

It’s clear what your beliefs are now, but your very first paragraph and it’s “value of debate” to me serves no good purpose. That’s just my opinion.

personal insults gotta end though and I apologize for my part in it.

10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

LoadTheMule: No! I just watched your trailer trash, transsexual father, bull dyke lesbian mother, your love affair with a retarded goat and your other relatives inbreed until you all became anal retentive redneck jackasses. Thanks for the help!

My, my, my--talk about anger issues. Mighty christian of you there, big fella.  Btw, Cervantes would not be happy with your current vocabulary.

Regards…

On an unrelated topic, welcome back LTM.  Haven’t seen you around these parts in a while.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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