Obama: If You Want Lower Taxes You’re Selfish

Listen to the one in his own words:

“The reason that we want to do this, change our tax code, is not because I have anything against the rich,” Obama said in Sarasota, Florida, yesterday. “I love rich people! I want all of you to be rich. Go for it. That’s the America dream, that’s the American way, that’s terrific.
“The point is, though, that — and it’s not just charity, it’s not just that I want to help the middle class and working people who are trying to get in the middle class — it’s that when we actually make sure that everybody’s got a shot – when young people can all go to college, when everybody’s got decent health care, when everybody’s got a little more money at the end of the month – then guess what? Everybody starts spending that money, they decide maybe I can afford a new car, maybe I can afford a computer for my child. They can buy the products and services that businesses are selling and everybody is better off. All boats rise. That’s what happened in the 1990s, that’s what we need to restore. And that’s what I’m gonna do as president of the United States of America.
“John McCain and Sarah Palin they call this socialistic,” Obama continued. “You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness.”

So, wanting to keep more of your money is selfish? Thinking that narrowing the tax base in this country down to a select few taxpayers who will then carry all the tax burden is wrong is selfish?
Give me a break.
I also see that Obama trotted out that line about being a communist because he shared his toys and peanut butter sandwiches as a kid. I’d note that there’s a difference between choosing to give half of your sandwich to a friend, or letting a friend borrow something, than using the power of government to take money away from some citizens and distribute it to Obama supporters who don’t want to pay for their own gas or mortgages.

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  • http://Array Wing Chun Geologist

    Barack Obama is a very generous man, with other people’s money.

  • Magic Dog

    Hungry Bear, I agree. I don’t think government is a good way to spread the wealth. I’m okay with our ever so mildly progressive tax structure, and with the estate tax, but other than those I think labor unions are a much better redistributive mechanism.

    The problem these days is that unions are virtually extinct in the private sector. That’s why Obama’s card signing plan for unionization is such a great idea. I think this will be one of the first things to be enacted, and I think it’ll be great for the country.

    We need Wal-Mart to be organized, and then we need some strikes. That’s the way to redistribute the wealth, and it can’t come too soon.

  • eneils

    As Joe Biden said,
    “It’s the patriotic thing to do.”
    “And if you don’t believe in patriotism, just remember, this damn gun is loaded.”

  • Magic Dog

    we live in a free enterprise country, people are free to work their asses off, save, and invest

    Yeah, well, once Obama gets in, those same people are going to be a lot freer to join a union.

  • ashley

    Even though very little of the money spent on welfare makes its way to the recipiants, that little bit often does more harm than good. Welfare has become a subsidy for behaviors that harm individuals and hurt this country.

    That is so true… I have said this all along… it’s not enough more money to make a difference… the middle class will see NO extra money… only the low income will get a bigger “check”… which is only enough to keep the poor, poor… you need hardwork and determination to make something of yourself and I hate to say it but most of those who will see any money are those who have absolutly no motivation… just as long as they have some new kicks (sneakers) and some drinks for the weekend… they are good to go… so it only fuels the situation… I do NOT believe I should have to give any more money than I already do to those who don’t contribute to the system already… it’s ludicrous!!!!

  • Magic Dog

    We don’t know if Obama was picked on, but we do know that McCain’s nicknames in high school were “McNasty” and “Punk.”

  • Magic Dog

    Why the hell do you think that domestic automakers are being driven into the ground you idiot.

    Go check the employment costs of the competition. An autoworker’s labor costs more in Japan and Europe than it does here, “you idiot.”

    Obviously, you’ve been sucking on a Union Breast for a while.

    I have never been a member of a union.

    When unemployment skyrockets,(like You without a Job) because Companies move fron the U.S. enmass trying to keep expenses in line from High Taxes.

    The correct phrase is en masse. In your screech, you incorrectly capitalized the words “You,” “Job,” “High,” and “Taxes.” Oh, and tell me something: Where is Wal-Mart going to move? To Canada?

    Even George Mcgovern [sic] calls that undemocratic.

    Who cares what George McGovern thinks?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    About Magic Dog’s “I’m okay with our ever so mildly progressive tax structure…”

    But a new study on inequality by researchers at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) in Paris reveals that when it comes to household taxes (income taxes and employee social security contributions) the U.S. “has the most progressive tax system and collects the largest share of taxes from the richest 10% of the population.”

    The US has the most “progressive” tax policy, already over 30% do not pay taxes, the top ten percent pay 71% of all taxes, and this guy “Magic Dog”, like all of the other envious and jealous leftists, believes this situation to be “ever so mildly progressive”.

    Good grief.

  • Hungry Bear

    I’m okay with our ever so mildly progressive tax structure, and with the estate tax

    I would strongly disagree with your statement that our tax system is “mildly progressive.” Under our current system, the lowest 30 percent pay no income taxe, and many get a government subsidy called the Earned Income Tax Credit.

    The problem these days is that unions are virtually extinct in the private sector. That’s why Obama’s card signing plan for unionization is such a great idea. I think this will be one of the first things to be enacted, and I think it’ll be great for the country.

    Obama’s card signing scheme is an invitation to abuse and bullying. What it essentially allows unions to target individuals until they finally submit.

    I’ve spent a bit of time in Europe, where unions rule the roost. Their economies are doing a lot worse than ours. Why? Because their union dominated economies can’t adjust to changes in the marketplace. As a result, a lot of qualified 30 year olds can’t get a job, and end up living at home until they’re middle aged. When I was single I was encourged to go to Italy and find a wife, because so many Italian men my age couldn’t afford to get married.

    I think labor unions are a much better redistributive mechanism.

    We don’t need any redistributive mechanism…period. The fact is that the marketplace provides all the distribuive mechanism that’s needed.

    We’re a choice based society.

    Kids in school can choose to study, or choose to slack off. Those who chose to study hard will make more money. Thos who slack off will make less money. Those kids who are busting their asses studying shouldn’t have to subsidize those who would rather listen to their i-pods and party.

    Women have a choice to have kids before they are are married and economically stable and married, or have kids when they are unmarried and can’t afford them. Those who choose to wait until they are married and financially able to care for children should not be forced to subsidaze those who make poor choices.

    People have a choice to do work that is more demanding, or work that is less demanding. Those who do jobs that are more demanding almost always make more than jobs that are less demanding. Those people who choose to become actuaries or doctors shouldn’t be forced to subsidize someone who wants to do a kick back job.

    When you redistribute

  • eneils Bailey

    What a hypocrite.

    That goes without saying. He is a creepy individual who probably donated some of his nasty-ass underwear and took a huge charitable deduction.
    That’s a type of Bill Clinton Patriotism.

    Heard he gave a whooping $300.00 to charity last year.

    I make a fraction of what Biden makes and gave more in actual dollars than he did.

  • di butler

    It’s always people like Magic Dog who want to stick it to the “rich.” What exactly is “rich,” MD? According to BO, I’m rich. Funny how I am desperately trying to keep my business open, so that I can actually pay to keep my employees, being rich and all. By taking away more of my money you are only hurting the people who work for me. They would like to keep their jobs. And this bs that we need this union card signing deal. That is just thuggery. It invites union people the opportunity to go to the homes of the workers who oppose and bully them. Read some real history, Mad Dog. We have had people that opposed the unions beaten, their families threatened, even their houses burned down. I don’t want to have my hard-earned dollars taken from me so that people w/o any incentive to do better on their own can continue to draw checks and sit on their asses. It is nothing more than class-envy he is trying to stir up. He is the one causing divide in this country, not bringing people together. Making jokes and mocking what socialism and communism are, comparing it to sharing toys and sandwichs by children is not in the least funny. People who have fled their home countries to get away from this are probably beyond shocked. Mad Dog, you sound like someone who is a total under-achiever. This country is great because it allows anyone to have the American Dream, through hard work, not by whining and sticking their hands out for freebies someone else has earned.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    It’s really amusing that Obama (the millionaire who can’t spare a little of his wealth to help his impoverished relatives) calling people selfish for not wanting to hand more money over to the government.

  • bustoff

    Obama trotted out that line about being a communist because he shared his toys and peanut butter sandwiches as a kid

    Truth be told, Obama was probably profiled out by the school bully for a daily wedgie if Barry didn’t give up his PBJ’s. Obama sounds like the kind of neighbor who asks to borrow your lawn mower, then turns around and gives it to another neighbor just to make him look like he’s a good guy.

  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    “The reason that we want to do this, change our tax code, is not because I have anything against the rich,”

    – What Obama said.

    If he has nothing against them why does he go on to call them selfish?

    Obama has nothing against selfish people?

    Doesn’t sound like he has nothing against them to me.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    “Magic Dog” works his magic with the facts, I’m okay with our ever so mildly progressive tax structure…

    “Ever so mildly”:

    The problem these days is that unions are virtually extinct in the private sector. That’s why Obama’s card signing plan for unionization is such a great idea.

    “Great idea” = no more anonymous balloting. Instead, intimidation and bullying.

    We need Wal-Mart to be organized, and then we need some strikes. That’s the way to redistribute the wealth, and it can’t come too soon.

    Goodbye freedom, hello intimidation and bullying.

    No, I think we’ve got to redistribute, or there’ll be too much concentration at the top. If you have a mass production economy, you need to also create the means consume its output or it will collapse. That was the lesson of the 1920s, and it was slowly forgotten.

    Please explain the “lesson of the 1920s”.

    Right wingers hate unions because they have the illusion that wealth and income can be concentrated without consequence.

    You do not look good when you attempt to speak for others. It just makes you look like an ass.

    Yeah, well, once Obama gets in, those same people are going to be a lot freer to join a union.

    No. We’ll be a lot less freer to say “no” to unions.

  • Spartacus

    Yeah, well, once Obama gets in, those same people are going to be a lot freer to join a union.

    Heh, it might be they join the former Soviet Union. Today it’s not quite as far to the left as Obama.

  • Hoth

    Magicdog:

    The reason unions are a good mechanism is that they are industry-specific. Unions that represent highly productive industries, i.e., the U.S. automakers before they were outcompeted by everyone else, can negotiate high wages, while those that represent relatively unproductive workers (Service Employees), can negotiate moderate wages.

    Why the hell do you think that domestic automakers are being driven into the ground you idiot. It’s because of the extortionistic demands placed upon them by the UAW. Have you noticed at all that it’s the most heavily unionized industries that are in the most trouble right now? I thought not. Say no to democrats and say no to unions.

  • Spartacus

    I’ve got no problem with Obama calling me selfish. The question is those who support Obama have a problem with myself and others like me calling them lazy?

  • Jerry

    Yeah, well, once Obama gets in, those same people are going to be a lot freer to join a union.

    Magic dog,… I said, “get a Clue”,.. not the Flu..

    Obviously, you’ve been sucking on a Union Breast for a while.
    When unemployment skyrockets,(like You without a Job) because Companies move fron the U.S. enmass trying to keep expenses in line from High Taxes.. Good luck on your Job search.

  • nObamabinBiden

    Well put di Butler. My co-worker tried to expose our Union at work and my co-worker got canned. He lost his job. Only because he sent out fliers and informal meetings that our Union was not working to the employees interest. We had a big group, had meetings with the Union Rep & his boss but did not listen to our concerns. Simply asking that before taking actions to let members vote on it & not tell members its done before we had a say in it. The Union told us that our shop stewards represented all of us and voted on our issues. Don’t think the Unions are working for you. They are in business to make a whole lot of money for doing less. They often endorse & give campaign donations to candidates you would oppose.

  • richNJ

    This Obama is the old time Snake Oil salesman. I’ve said it before. Raise the tax on the rich and they raise the cost of their services. Which costs the middle class more to hire them. The Government is happy because they make more in taxes, the rich are happy because they make more money, the poor are happy because the Obama government will give them more for free. And the middle class gets screwed again.
    How come not one time has Obama said he would make government smaller. Oh..he did say he would take a scaple to the budget. What…save $3 dollars somewhere. We need to take an axe to the budget. A vote for Obama is a vote for less money in your pocket within 2 years. What idiots……

  • RebTex

    And why does it have to be the red guy with the gun?
    /semi-Undercover Brother

  • http://www.rabidamerican.net/ Rabid American

    Selfish?

    These statements are highly insulting and deeply offensive to the citizens of the country he wishes to preside over!!

    It’s always easier to give away other peoples money.

    Have we forgotten that, as a nation, we dole out the MOST foreign aid of the world’s nations?

    From condoms to wheat, from medicine to educational material, from a to z, no other nation can match what we provide each year.

    This beyond what we give through private donations! Also THE MOST IN THE WORLD!!!

    WHAT AN ASSHOLE!!

    Whose Illegal-Alien, deportation fugitive, Auntie, lives in a slum in Boston?

    Yours? Mine?

    Nope!

    B-Hussein-Obama’s!

    We’re a selfish people? Not one bit!

    So FUCK YOU Barry-O!

    …..and your Communist, Ass-Clown, Groupies!

  • Jerry

    The problem these days is that unions are virtually extinct in the private sector.

    Magic dog,.. get a clue.
    This is the reason that GM is now a “Pension” Plan, an no longer an Auto maker.
    neighborliness
    patriotism
    spred the wealth
    Supreme Court should have looked at spreding the wealth..

    “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” Karl Marx

  • Hoss

    You know the whole thing about when you point out somebody being an idiot you have three fingers pointing back at you, well, here ya go:

    General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG’s Chrysler Group officials say that closing a roughly $25-an-hour labor cost gap between Detroit and Japanese rivals will be a key issue in talks with the United Auto Workers this summer.

    The three American automakers generally pay about 30 percent more per hour in wage, pension and health care costs than Japanese automakers.

    Ford, according to its annual report, paid $70.51 per hour in wages and benefits to workers last year. GM’s annual report says its labor costs average $73.26 per hour, while Chrysler’s costs average $75.86 — all well above the average $48 hourly cost incurred by Toyota, Honda and Nissan.

    How about not even f’ing close.

    The left thinks wealth is a constant that doesn’t have to be generated. Like the US mint produces X amount of dollars and then passes it out to the rich people and they just screw the people at the bottom. What do you expect from a bunch of morons who couldn’t make it past the first week of Econ 101 when you talk about incentive, opportunity costs, and utility.

    Please, can we have more unions. The three most screwed-up industries in the United States are being run into the ground by unions: education, the airlines, and the automotive industry. Don’t get stuck on stupid, Magic.

  • nObamabinBiden

    What’s Nobama talking about? This knucklehead just bluh, bluh, bluh and bluh. We have the richest poorest people on the planet. But what Nobama wants is to get even more greedy. Nobama, the people you call poor people, drives cars, own a cell phone and computer. Which poor people are you talking about? The homeless? Yeah, lets put them to work. Lets give them our cash so they can be on the same level as everybody else. Nobama, you want to babysit me. Don’t need your ass in the white house. What do you call a lawyer who steals your money? Scumbag. If you take my money and I said NO, but you took it anyway, then you are a thief.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/some_hints/ AKAJOEL

    Go to 13:46 on the audio to hear just how selfish you really are.

  • Magic Dog

    No, I think we’ve got to redistribute, or there’ll be too much concentration at the top. If you have a mass production economy, you need to also create the means consume its output or it will collapse. That was the lesson of the 1920s, and it was slowly forgotten.

    The reason unions are a good mechanism is that they are industry-specific. Unions that represent highly productive industries, i.e., the U.S. automakers before they were outcompeted by everyone else, can negotiate high wages, while those that represent relatively unproductive workers (Service Employees), can negotiate moderate wages.

    Right wingers hate unions because they have the illusion that wealth and income can be concentrated without consequence. That can’t happen in a mass-production economy. The only way concentration can work is in a feudal society, and no one lives too well in a feudal economy, not even the king.

  • Spartacus

    ^ not to keep repeating myself, but I’ll say it once again, as a whole the laziest labor you’ll ever find wears a free tee shirt to work baring the union logo.

  • Hungry Bear

    Yeah, well, once Obama gets in, those same people are going to be a lot freer to join a union.

    Even George Mcgovern calls that undemocratic.

    I just call it unAmerican.

  • HG

    So if you don’t want government confiscating your earnings and giving it away, but you pay taxes, provide for your family (and some not immediate), and donate to charity your selfish? Oh, and unpatriotic?

    What a hypocrite. If he could see his own selfishness with his aunt and brother, then maybe he could help other’s with similar selfish tendencies. As it is Obama just sounds foolish.

  • Hungry Bear

    The majopr flaw in Obama’s thinking is that he thinks government is an efficient way to distribute wealth. It’s not.

    When the government redistributes $100,000 from one person, it usually looses (keeps, wastes, misuses) about $80,000 to $90,000. Only about 10 percent actually goes to the recipiant.

    But that’s not the biggest problem.

    Even though very little of the money spent on welfare makes its way to the recipiants, that little bit often does more harm than good. Welfare has become a subsidy for behaviors that harm individuals and hurt this country.

    The selfish people are the ones who want the government to take (with the threat of violence) from one person and give to those who don’t make wise choices.

  • Hungry Bear

    Yeah, well, once Obama gets in, those same people are going to be a lot freer to join a union.

    How are they going to be freer after Obama takes away their right to a secret ballot.

    All Obama is going to do is to enable union activists to bully them.

  • Hungry Bear

    If you have a mass production economy, you need to also create the means consume its output or it will collapse.

    First off most of the income that is concentrated up at the top wouldn’t even exist in a more redistributive economy. because we live in a free enterprise country, people are free to work their asses off, save, and invest. All of these involve delayed gratification. When they do this they grow the economy that benefits everyone.

    The reward for this is being able to amass what you earn.

    Take away that reward and people stop engaging in those productive behaviors that benifit everyone.

    I’m not in the top 5 percent. But their work makes it easier for me to live a quality life.

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