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The big question is: Would Obama be saying he “would have left” if Rev. Wright’s bigoted comments hadn’t been made public?  Because I don’t think he would be.

The big question for me is:  Do partisan Republicans who have no intellectual honesty really care what Obama says about this issue?  No.  Because what ever he said, he will be criticized.

You criticized him for not distancing himself, you criticized him for condemning the statements, then you criticized him for distancing himself.

Really Rob, the only thing that IS transparent is that you will attack Obama for any reason or no reason.

Plus, what about the sermons Wright has been giving for the last twenty years.

What about them?  Why do you keep talking like you know that they were?  Why?

Why, in the heck, are you acting like you know what was said in those sermons.  This is more evidence that you are being a partisan hack.

Obama didn’t decide to leave after all of that, but now suddenly when Rev. Wright is an issue he’s saying he would have left?

After all of what?  Transparent, transparent, transparent.

there is still a vast swath of something-less-than-engaged voters out there who haven’t had their fill yet.  These voters aren’t likely to start getting engaged until the general election campaigns begin and we get a little closer to election day,

Well they better be in the 2x factor range, because democrats votes out numbered the Republicans 2 to 1.  And those Republicans weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway.  If there are Democrats out there, it wouldn’t be more than 15% who turn on Obama for the misconceptions they get from spinmysters, like yourself, who keep harping on false arguments that these comments have been made for 20 years, with no proof.

but when they do start to engage they’ll be confronted with Wright in all his whitey-bashing glory and won’t like what they see.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the false “racism” argument you keep trying to shove down peoples throats by using derogatory words that were never uttered.

By the way, did you know Bob Bennet called black people Niggers in his radio comments about black babies and crime?

Hannitized-Sterilized:
Your defense of Obama’s 20-year, intimate relationship with Rev. Wright and the latter’s well documented racist and anti-American diatribes is getting quite tiresome. As is your calling Rob a racist for pointing out the facts, albeit with his personal observations.

When you use the hyper-partisan attack you should really look in the mirror, as you are divorced from all intellectual honesty when you pretend that Obama is telling us the truth about whether or not he would have left this ministry because of Wright’s hate filled sermons. Why? Obama sat under this ministry and accepted spiritual counsel for Twenty Freaking Years and could have, should have left a long, long time ago, but he only finds it convenient to even consider that path after he is running for POTUS and has discovered that his association with Wright is a negative in his pursuit of ultimate political power.

Even one public statement in the last ten years or even five years rejecting Wright’s philosophy would have given Obama some real credibility on this issue; But, not only did he not make any such statement, he kept Wright on as his spiritual counsellor, close friend, mentor and part of his campaign until recently, so he apparently had no objections about Wright until he had no choice but to have some objections.

Please disagree with Rob, do so passionately, counter every one of his arguements with facts, no problem, I strongly encourage such a course of action; but please stop the tiresome racist charge which you cannot objectively support and the parstisan charges which could just as easily apply to you. Fight him, but please don’t enagage in name calling or silly charges of mindless partisanship on this issue.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

REVEREND WRIGHT GOT IT ALL WRONG

Old Reverend Wright,
thought himself bright,
but got it all wrong,
and got himself long!

For there in his sight,
with insight to light,
a brave heart to fight,
with truth as his sword,
to serve the Christ Lord,
with America in accord,
in this Land of the Brave
and Home of Free!

That Neo-Con spin,
that stinks like sin,
crys out race-hate,
screams out Jew-hate.
so you take bait!

But who shall be gory,
when brave heart in glory,
shall bloody their story,
in this Land of the Brave,
and Home of Free?

Hannitized, please.  Rev. Wright was not saying something in that video that he’d never said before.  I watched it, and it’s clear that he’s thought through what he’s saying.  He even recognizes that his congregation may call him on his political statements when he tells them (falsely) that what he’s saying is from the Bible.

Moreover, the afrocentric portions of the website have been there for years--and were really just removed a week or so ago. 

More or less, TUCC is, and has been a fairly “kinist” church, and Obama has known it for decades.  To claim that he’s offended now is simply to repent not of the wrong, but of being caught.

Hanna...you’re nuts.  No, I don’t care about Obama and the issues...what he has shown to be is too radical for it to matter.

I had a lot of reservations about Obama because of inexperience and being the most liberal senator, but had nothing against the man as a person.  I think he is bright, articulate...oh yeah, and racist.  He exposed two little girls to that garbage and now he will lose, period.  PS:  I don’t like McCain or Hillary either.

Anyone who trusts Obama is a Dimwit!

Mmm’hmm… Obama guy, that’s so nice ...

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If Wright Hadn’t Retired, I’d Have Left The Church.

That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at any Waffle House.

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“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Hannitized: 

The big question for me is:  Do partisan Republicans who have no intellectual honesty really care what Obama says about this issue?  No.  Because what ever he said, he will be criticized.

First what is your definition of partisan Republicans vs. regular Republicans?  No right wing Republicans?  ! 
Next should I assume that you also think there are some partisan Republicans who do have intellectual honesty?  I don’t know which category I might fit in, but I will say this.  I have intellectual honesty as well as personal integrity.  I know very well about having one’s integrity questioned by dishonest cowards as well as “partisan Democrats.” Communists merely do not answer.  You answered your own question!?  This guy is now feeling the heat from average Americans who are insulted by his strong association as well as financial helping to enable this anit-american, communist speaking, racist “pastor.” I am so glad that this has come out before the conclusion of the nominating process and certainly before the possibility of a general election.  The Truth about this type of hatred for America has been revealed and more may come out.  I also noticed that the pastor is about to move into a multi-million dollar mansion.  So much for the poor, poor downtrodden racial group that he purports to represent.

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Communism is evil

Sorry for interrupting RZ but I am looking for a republican to comment on the Dick cheney video I posted in the reader blogs. You seem to have no problem speaking your mind here, will you watch it and tell me what you think?

I’ve got to see a client right now but I look forward to reading your thoughts later.

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

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RZ: Many of us here at SA have determined that it is only feeding his ego to respond to RBB, I shouldn’t even have said he was irrelevant above, he is only trying to sucker you into engaging him in a useless debate!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman, RZ, et al:  As I have been saying, rbb has no interest whatever in what you think or say. He baits you so that he can post a pithy retort. rbb loves the sound of his own voice.

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

From a purely political point of vie, I can see where his association with this church has served Obama well.

Remember, Obama came to Chicago with the experiences of being raised by a leftist white anthropoligist mother, spent time as a “pot head” (his words) in Hawaii, and then went to get an Ivy League education. His father was African, not African American. So Obama had no connection and nothing in common with the people who initially provided him with his base of support.

Wright’s church (because it was so militant and so anti-white and so anti-America) provided him with street cred that he desperately needed. So as extreme as Rev. Wright was, it really helped Obama’s initial career. It helped him connect with people that he had no connection with.

Now that Obama is on the national stage, he needs to distance himself from the extremism that helped launch his career, without apearing to be a sell-out.

He HASN’T retired and will not until September, I understand, AND the church has built him a 10,000 square foot - million dollar + house for his “work”....

So much for transparency and offense

Sorry for interrupting

No, you’re not! Watching you post is like Hillary’s reason for not liking Golf:

She just got caught in one bad lie after another!

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Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

If Wright Hadn’t Retired, I’d Have Left The Church

And if frogs had wings, they wouldn’t bump their asses so much!

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Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Wright:

The world on which this woman sits, our world, that is a world which is torn by war, destroyed by hate, decimated by despair and devastated by distrust.  The world in which she sits is on the brink of destruction.  Famine ravished millions of the inhabitants of this world in one hemisphere, while feasting and gluttony are enjoyed by inhabitants of another hemisphere.  A time bomb ticking is the world in which she sits.  with apartheid in one hemisphere and apathy in the other hemisphere.  And enough nuclear warheads, scientists tell us, to wipe out all forms of life except for cockroaches.  That is the world upon which this woman sits.

A world which cares more about bombs for the enemy than does about bread for the hungry.  A world that is still more concerned about the color of skin than it us about the content of character.  A world more finicky about the texture of hair or whats on the outside of your head than it about the quality of education or whats on the inside of ones head.  That is the world in which this woman sits.

20 years of this.  Will you listen?

Audacity To Hope Jeremiah Wright Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZROa0rlMU

Is everybody ignoring this sermon on purpose?

Is everybody ignoring this sermon on purpose?

Actually, I think they’re ignoring you!
But if your concern is that we’re not devoting enough attention to the wrong “Reverend” Wright, put your fears to rest! Snowball’s chance in hell.

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Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

So did you listen to it or not Proof?

Rev Wright has a lifetime of sermons on videotape, writings in his magazine, audiotape, DVD, interviews, photo ops, guest appearances, and books he has written.  They are dynamite and that’s not a good thing.

Believe me, the busy little bees in Chicagoland are storing all this up.  IF, and I think this is a big if, Obama becomes the nominee, do you think for a minute that for the months of Sept and Oct there won’t be a barrage of 529’s following the swiftboat procedures to put Obama to flight?

This isn’t going away.  It has to be held in abeyance until the last two months.

We learned a lot in 2004. 

Now if that 529 just raises it’s hand, I want to know where to send my contribution.

Hillary will be harder to beat than Obama but Obama is more dangerous if he becomes POTUS.

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the AVATAR
Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Audacity To Hope Jeremiah Wright Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_LQKlLSBo&feature=related

They are dynamite and that’s not a good thing.

Is this a giant ignorant guess (and hope) or do you have evidence that you neglected to include in this very “insightful” character assassination?

Believe me, the busy little bees in Chicagoland are storing all this up.

Believe you why?  What evidence do you offer that informs us you are speaking from a place of knowledge and not hypothesis?

Call me when this preacher guy runs for something.

In the meantime HOW ABOUT THAT DAVIDSON TEAM!

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

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When Wright said in any context for any reason whatsoever, “God Damn America” I would never waste a another minute of my time reading anything else he had to say, he lost all credibility and his image as a Christian minister.

Hannitized you are having a tough enough time getting anyone to look kindly upon Obama’s candidacy, when you offer any defense whatsoever for Wright you should expect and deserve closed ears and minds to anything else you have to say. My suggestion is tell us why we should want to vote for Obama based on his record and words and ignore Wright completely, otherwise you are doing our job for us in helping defeat Obama by keeping the Wright filth alive.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

So much hate coming out of a so called Christian.

I’m going to have to check the Good Book to see if that’s ok.

But I still love you Neiman, do you love me?

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

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So much hate coming out of a so called Christian.

You are talking about Wright here, aren’t you? Figures!

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Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Opps, sorry Neiman, it’s not OK.

MATT 22:36-40

Neiman, I love you, do you love me?

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

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So much hate from a so called Christian is what we are talking about!  The Rev. Wright is asking God to Damn America. Get a clue and quit trying to defend and pin his actions on anyone else!!! Of course you are free to choose what you believe. So feel free. BUT don’t even try to ask us to listen to another word this evil man has to offer. Unless of course it is an apology. BUT I haven’t heard one yet…

Proof:
Jesus always refused to engage in vain disputations with the enemies of the Gospel and the Truth, so I choose to imitate Him and out of mercy ignore the very mentally handicapped RBB. Like Satan, he uses Scripture for his own twisted and evil ends!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I think there are a few judge nots and a false witness no no in there too…shall I check that for you Neiman?

Do you love me?

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

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The Obama/Jeremiah “God damn America” Wright story remains the same:

The lefty troll defense is that maybe Obama didn’t know what his reverend preached out there in the pulpit. And if he did know, it doesn’t matter.

Obama doesn’t have to explain a 23 year close friendship, money gifted, marriage ministing race baiting pastor to us. It’s none of our business. It’s not as if we are hiring this guy.

The Obamas think that America is auditioning for them.

Just look at the guy’s supporters here on this blog. Obama doesn’t have to answer to US! We have to answer to him.

This is typical of the current Democrat elitist mindset. If we the American people are not 100% in support of the grand Democrat ideas of engineering society, then we the American people are just in the way. Don’t question the self appointed elites who know better than the rest of us on how to live our own lives.

The Democrat prescription for America: Fabulous!

, when you offer any defense whatsoever for Wright you should expect and deserve closed ears and minds to anything else you have to say. My suggestion is tell us why we should want to vote for Obama based on his record and words and ignore Wright completely, otherwise you are doing our job for us in helping defeat Obama by keeping the Wright filth alive.

I think you raise a good point.  I see why YOU think that way. 

But my position is that I listened to Obamas speech about Wright.  I think Obama made a good case about how we should look at Wrights failings as a human and Christian. 

And as I have said before, everything condemnation he received for his remarks, he deserved.  But doesn’t this sermon, the one that Rob likes to emphasize that motivated Obama to write a book deserve investigation in order to demonstrate that Obama was motivated out of something positive and pure, and not negative and hateful as Rob and others suggest?

I think yes.

I think this sermon does two things.  It proves Wright gave positive sermons (as we some of us already admit to ourselves) and thus, the 20 year accusation doesn’t hold as much water as some republicans think it does.

I am trying to be balanced Nieman, why do you criticize me for that?

Obama doesn’t have to explain a 23 year close friendship, money gifted, marriage ministing race baiting pastor to us. It’s none of our business. It’s not as if we are hiring this guy.

Liwidshoe: That is the sad truth, the Left views themselves as the ruling elite over the unwashed and illiberal masses that they must rule over, care for and even punish when they stray from the liberal fold. If Obama wins and the democrats gain even more control over Congress, do you think they can resist the temptation to rename Congress the Politburo?

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Um, he already explained it Likwid.  Please read the transcript.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-t_n_92077.html

Your mischaracterization of what “lefty trolls” think is neither accurate or interesting.

We have a much better defense that requires honesty, condemnation and the ability to be reasonable as humans.

Look at your response and see the bitterness and antagonist attitude, which I am sure your family is proud of you for demonstrating.  Give them my regards for raising such a fine son.

do you think they can resist the temptation to rename Congress the Politburo?

Nutters crack me up.

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

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H: Wright is a hatemonger, preaching the divisive black liberation theology in a church founded on that teaching.  The important question for America is why should we elect a man who has been a student of this divisive theology for over 20 years?  In addition, he has also had a Marxist(Saul Alinsky) for a mentor.  I’m still waiting for your explanation of those influences on Obama, and why he chose to associate with those two men.

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Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

I am trying to be balanced Nieman, why do you criticize me for that?

It wasn’t criticism as much as friendly advice. Wright has poisened the Obama presidential candidacy well big time. So, any reminder of Wright is counter productive, even your short and well reasoned comments above, it still keeps that name and negative image alive and it stains Obama.

No one can say Wright in his heart is not a Christian, only that the several comments in the media do not seem to testify of a very close relationship with the Master. Surely, Wright has said and done many good things in his long ministry; but let us say just for the sake of conversation that like Swaggart or Bakker, he was accused of sexual misconduct. That one act is sufficient to destroy a ministry and harm everyone associated with that ministry. While you may not see Wright’s statements as being as evil as adultery or fornication, they were extreme enough to have destroyed his ministry and because Obama admitted a long term, intimate association with Wright, with many entanglements in his familiy’s life and his political career, Obama rightly or wrongly will pay a prive for that association.

Okay, but he should be able to get past that, he cannot control what Wright said or thought and maybe his only mistake was being too disinterested to notice the extreme politics of Wright, or he didn’t have the itellectual capacity to understand the extremism, or he didn’t have the political courage in liberal Chicago to leave, or he agreed with some of those things. That is Obama’s cross to bear and it is because he liked Wright and ignored the evidence that he must find a way to distance himself from him and any reminders by his supporters about Wright destroy that distance.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Wright is a hatemonger, preaching the divisive black liberation theology in a church founded on that teaching.  The important question for America is why should we elect a man who has been a student of this divisive theology for over 20 years?

Well, at least he is not undermining the founding principles of our democratic society as Rush Limberger is.  Why do you not condemn Rush?  He is far more dangerous than Wright.  Isn’t he?  Or do you also give him a pass for promoting voter fraud, deception and destroying the democratic process?

In terms of Wright, you built a straw-man knocked it down and expect me to refute your achievement.  I don’t respond to that Robert.

If you are going to make that claim, you have to demonstrate it withe evidence, not with falsely drawn conclusions.  Don’t take that the wrong way, I know you believe it to be true because you think you made a logical connection with a book he studied in black liberation theology, but there is nothing that says the church was founded on that book.

The church has a conservative approach to making blacks responsible for themselves and to help each other economically.  They are not complete separatists like like the Amish.  Do you think the Amish are racists too?

Before we get into other matters.  Why don’t we discuss the church in more detail.  Please build a case against the church that consists of more than accusation, hypothesis and imagination.

Hannitized:  Asking Gene to produce evidence that Wright’s sermons will be all over the place in October, courtesy of the 529s, is a lot like asking for proof that the sun will rise. It’s a given!

Don’t think for one minute that the democrat heirarchy isn’t pondering this same problem in the ‘smoke-filled back room’ of party politics.
Candidates have fallen on far less than the Wright fiasco, which Senator Obama bungled from the beginning.

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Well, at least he is not undermining the founding principles of our democratic society as Rush Limberger is. Your juvenile namecalling aside, Rush is doing no such thing.  There is no legal “loyalty oath” to vote in a primary; Dems cross the line all the time to influence primaries.  Why don’t you object to that? You’re being hypocritical here. Why do you not condemn Rush? He isn’t preaching skin color hatred like Wright is. He is
far more dangerous than Wright. Isn’t he? Or do you also give him a pass for promoting voter fraud, deception and destroying the democratic process?

In terms of Wright, you built a straw-man knocked it down and expect me to refute your achievement. I don’t respond to that Robert.  So, you’ve got nothing.  Obama acknowledges Alinsky as his mentor; his organizing work in Chicago was based on Alinsky’s ideology.  If you don’t know that, you are simply ignorant of reality.  If you don’t know the core principles of black liberation theology, which has been around since 1966, then you are ignorant there as well.  Your ignorance is not my fault.  Don’t try to debate things of which you have no knowledge, since that is no excuse.

Do you think the Amish are racists too?

Since they don’t preach skin-color hate and since they simply pursue their own beliefs and leave others to theirs, no.  This is just another phony equivalence from you.

Please explain Alinsky’s and Wright’s influence on Obama’s political philosophy.

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Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Hannitized:

build a case against the curch

OK.  And I hope you understand that I try never to be a propagandist.

* Sebator Obama knew more than a year ago that there was a problem with his church and his minister, when he asked Rev. Wright to step aside and not deliver the prayer at his campaign launch in Springfield. In a call to the Reverend, Senator Obama said, “… well, some of your sermons are kind of tough...” Feb, 2007

* In no less than four seperate videos, Reverend Wright is shown delivering stunning harangues which include such statements as, “God damn America, God damn America”, “KKK-USA” and “The chickens have come home to roost” to wildly cheering congregations.  The message and the response pretty much defines this church to any objective observer.

If more is needed, I’ll try to accomidate you.

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Sorry. CHURCH

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

That one act is sufficient to destroy a ministry and harm everyone associated with that ministry. While you may not see Wright’s statements as being as evil as adultery or fornication, they were extreme enough to have destroyed his ministry and because Obama admitted a long term, intimate association with Wright, with many entanglements in his familiy’s life and his political career, Obama rightly or wrongly will pay a prive for that association.

I agree with that.  I think Wrights comments have created quite a mess.  I also agree that every-time it’s brought up, it brings more negativity than good.

But, I also feel that this needs to be thoroughly vetted.  I want to know all the bad and all the good.  I need this information to see if my conclusions can be maintained.  I am not above changing my mind.

Okay, but he should be able to get past that, he cannot control what Wright said or thought and maybe his only mistake was being too disinterested to notice the extreme politics of Wright, or he didn’t have the itellectual capacity to understand the extremism, or he didn’t have the political courage in liberal Chicago to leave, or he agreed with some of those things.

Well said.  Congratulations on being reasonable as to all of the possibilities.  There is one more that I consider as a possibility as well.  That of the idea that he may have recognized a lot of things he didn’t agree with, but felt he might be their best chance at pulling them to the center.

As a Democrat I find myself among far left Liberals.  I can either turn my back on them or appeal to them and try to persuade them into another type of thinking or agree to compromise on ideas that move the party to the center.

I can tell you that here in Hawaii, we had an Obama rally and one of the local politicians (who will remain nameless) spoke to the audience.  I know for a fact that this politician is not greatly admired by the campaign.  But, he someone people listen to in our party.  When referring to the Bush administration he used the word “Regime” and that word made me cringe.  That type of hyperbole and extremism has no place in office.  Nevertheless he was heard and we moved on.

Leaders lead.  Obama was not born a leader, he had to grow into those shoes.  This was one of the many first steps of leadership that is required to lead people who may be mislead by the Wrights of the world in a better direction.  This is what I believe.

Hypothesis?  Yes.  Imagination?  Yes.  Plausible?  Absolutely.

If Obama’s, (and his church) have such a “non-negotiable commitment to Africa”, then why doesn’t he speak EVERY SINGLE DAY about the FACT that the ONLY PLACE ON EARTH where blacks are still enslaved is in AFRICA. But, sheesh, they’re enslaved by other blacks, so that doesn’t fit in with his narrative or agenda.
What a piece of work. Obama is priceless ... because he is of no value at all

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Senator Obama said, “… well, some of your sermons are kind of tough...” Feb, 2007

Pparets,

That statement doesn’t mean he heard similar statements.  I refer you to the good Senators speech.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

In short, we can assume that Wright was often inflammatory and sometimes misguided.  But I think Obama has demonstrated that he was not frequently hateful.

* In no less than four seperate videos, Reverend Wright is shown delivering stunning harangues which include such statements as, “God damn America, God damn America”, “KKK-USA” and “The chickens have come home to roost” to wildly cheering congregations.  The message and the response pretty much defines this church to any objective observer.

What you are doing is summing up in a few seconds of selected sound-bites, out of thousands of minutes of sermons over years and expect that to represent 20 years?  All while ignoring the sermons I linked? 

Sorry pparets thats not enough data for me.  Further Obama himself summed up your argument and addressed it already.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way.

Is that...whistling by the graveyard I hear?

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Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Obama announces on Thursday that if Rev. Wright had not ‘retired’, he [Obama] would leave.  Too little too late.

Hannitized, the church is what it is. Nothing you or I say is going to change that.

The only pertinent question is, to what degree is Senator Obama’s membership at Trinity going to hurt him in the election? 

When people in Pennsylvania are polled, they say no. But the same people, when asked who they are going to vote for, give Senator Clinton the nod.

Since the Rev. Wright fiasco, her numbers in the Keystone State have quickly risen and continue to climb. She now enjoys a double-digit lead and her numbers are climbing in Indiana.

Will people - especially whites - admit publicly that the sermons have affected their view of Senator Obama? Probably not. No one wants to sound like a racist.

But - and I have said this to you before - in the privacy of the voting booth, things may be very, very different, we will see.

Do you doubt that the DNC is mulling this very question as we speak?

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Do you doubt that the DNC is mulling this very question as we speak?

No.

It’s getting late 8:32am...the wind is picking up....theres no waves.  It’s time to go golfing fellas.

Have a good day.

Well, at least he is not undermining the founding principles of our democratic society as Rush Limberger is.  Why do you not condemn Rush?  He is far more dangerous than Wright.  Isn’t he?  Or do you also give him a pass for promoting voter fraud, deception and destroying the democratic process?

Hannitized,

What exactly did Rush do. There’s little evidence that his radio exhortions have had any effect on the Democratic primary. The last I heard, Republican cross-over voters are voting more for the emty-suit than for Hillary. And both the empty-suit and Hillary have been actively seaking ex-Republican voters.

In terms of Wright, you built a straw-man knocked it down and expect me to refute your achievement.

I’m not sure where the straw man is in this REv. Wright issue. “God damn America” is a pretty clear and straight forward statement. Calling our country “U. S. of KKK America,” just as much so.
And the think about claiming that AIDS was invented just to kill of blacks is absolutely vile.

Rev. Wright isn’t a straw man, he’s an extremely talented orator who chose his words carefully to move his followers in a specific direction.

I’m sure over the years he must have given some positive and uplifting sermons. But that doesn’t change the fact that his words and the philosophy of his church tended towards extremism.

None of this would matter so much if we knew more about the empty-suit. But as I’ve stated previously, the empty-suit has only a slim voting record, and has spent his entire senate career running for president and giving speaches.

He has no accomplishments in the area of governance. We have to assume that he will be more dependent on aides than most presidents (to get anything accomplsihed as president). Therefore, who Obama surrounds himself with must be scrutinized, because they give us clues as to who he will appoint.