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We negotiate with China day in and day out.
Why so much fear in negotiating with Iran?
Maybe some Pepsi-Cola and good old fashioned burgers (IN N OUT burger) will work miracles.

The examples given by Obama’s partisan defenders in all this are at best uninformed, and at worst disingenuous.  Actually, the Bush administration has been negotiating with Iran for several years, both directly and indirectly through the offices of the EU, the IAEA, and the Russians.  But there is a world of difference between doing that and announcing to the world that the US president wants face-to-face negotiations with no groundwork laid, no pre-conditions of any sort, no preliminary agreements in hand.

Having made such a foolish announcement, Obama is now obligated to explain to the American people what he would discuss with Mr. Ahmadinejad, what he would be willing to concede in those negotiations and what he expects to get in return from the Iranians.  Having opened the door, rhetorically speaking, Obama can hardly expect to be able to close in the face of the same American people he opened it to, by bragging of his eagerness to enter top level, face-to-face negotiations.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

OBAMA is sure talking big this week. The guy almost as bad as Jon Edwards the light weight/empty suit from N.C.

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Didn’t this admin talk with China?  North Korea?
Didn’t Reagan talk with Russia?

Talks bring about solutions.  I don’t think this admin talks because Bush, simply, can’t.  He can do that stupid giggle while schmoozing the Saudi’s tho-

Brad:  The last time I looked, neither the Russians or the Chinese had blown a hole in the USS Cole or attacked the World Trade Center twice; the second time with horrendous results.

Nor do I recall either nation saying that it is Allah’s will that the “great satan” USA be destroyed.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month… all honor to those who served...

Barry O laments “fear mongering?”
What about all the yammering about “global warming?”

The last time I looked,...the Chinese had [not]blown a hole in the USS Cole

Maybe not but they are arming insurgents in Iraq:

US warns China over weapon links in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan

Excuse me, you were saying?

RBB:  let’s not confuse our time-sequencing here…

nor should we forget the unwritten, understood rule of all political persuasions… one never questions arms sales too very loud…

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month… all honor to those who served...

You’re right, let’s get our sequences in order.

Iraq turns to China for arms

BAGHDAD: Iraq has ordered $US100 million ($113 million) worth of military equipment from China for its police force, claiming the US is unable to provide the material and is too slow to deliver arms shipments.

The Washington Post reported yesterday that the China deal had alarmed military analysts, who had said Iraq’s security forces were already unable to account for more than 190,000 weapons supplied by the US. Many of these weapons are believed to be in the hands of Shia and Sunni militias and insurgents.

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, meeting with Post editors and reporters yesterday, said only one in five Iraqi police officers was armed and called for faster weapons delivery from the US to beef up Iraq’s fledgling army.

The capabilities of Iraqi security forces are pivotal to the US exit strategy in Iraq, with the creation of a viable police force critical to reconciliation.

The report said the Chinese arms deal shed light on the larger dispute between the US and Iraq over rebuilding the war-torn nation’s armed forces and police. Iraqi officials have long complained about the supply of weapons and equipment for their personnel.

Mr Talabani yesterday expressed frustration with delays in equipping the Iraqi forces.

One might question if bushco is truly lending a helping hand as the Iraqi’s try to stand up, or just awarding no bid contracts until his time is up.

Excuse me, you were saying?

Brad:  There is a difference, none of those countries are praying to be “martyred”, Iran is not a rational adversary.  A state is very different than a terrorist sponsor state.  MAD, mutual assured destruction has worked for a long time...I think we’ve reached the end of that.  I wish we could talk and fix things as we have here and there over the decades, but I’m afraid that this time we’re going to decide to win, or decide to lose.  I hate to say this, because it has been overstated at times, but we really have not seen the likes of this since Hitler...and he died 25 years before I was born.  We need to realize what these things are when they do come along, we don’t want them to or expect them...but we must recognize them (in my humble opinion).  Oh yeah, the Saudi’s SUCK and I can’t wait until we don’t need them anymore!  Seeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

RBB: If Bush were running for president, I might be interested in your thread…

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month… all honor to those who served...

Thank you.

Excuse me, you were saying?

... as always - you are most welcome.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month… all honor to those who served...

The examples given by Obama’s partisan defenders in all this are at best uninformed, and at worst disingenuous.  Actually, the Bush administration has been negotiating with Iran for several years, both directly and indirectly through the offices of the EU, the IAEA, and the Russians.

That is much different than face to face with the POTUS and giving them the prestige and world stage to advance their agenda.

Didn’t Reagan talk with Russia?

Reagan talked to them from a position of strength and with an announced program to build our military and break their economy first. He spoke to them knowing his core beliefs were common knowledge, that he was unmovable in his goal to destroy the Soviets and HE dictated the terms of their surrender.

We talk with China because they were imploding and we foisted a hunger for capitalism among the populace, and the Chinese now have too much too lose by fighting us. They bluster and treat their people with a tough hand, but Capitalism is taking over China and therein is our hope for final victory. Well, that is, unless we get an Obama and China realizes we have in him a political fellow traveler (socialist) that will close his eyes to their human rights abuses.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Didn’t Reagan talk with Russia?

There is also another difference, aside from those detailed by Neiman.  When Reagan talked to the Soviet leaders, the relationship between the two countries was one of brutal, but non-military confrontation.  MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction.  Each side had the capacity to obliterate the other with nuclear weapons.  Each side knew of the other’s capability to do so.  And neither side regarded that option as acceptable.  Reagan’s plan for defeating the Soviet “Evil Empire” was not to do so by military means, but to win by economic and ideological means instead.

The threat we face today from radical Islamists is entirely different.  They have shown themselves more than willing to die for the chance to inflict death and destruction on their infidel enemies.  There is no mutually assured destruction to define the parameters of our struggle.

Part of Reagan’s master plan, and that shared by Pope John Paul II, was to offer freedom and a chance to worship God as they saw fit to those enslaved by the Soviet regime… starting, of course, with Poland and the Solidarity trade union.  Poland was the first domino to fall, the first brick in the ideological wall to crumble, and with it, ultimately came the Berlin Wall.

The Islamists, by contrast have no more interest in religious freedom and diversity than they have in any other facet of a pluralistic society.

The comparison by those on the Left, Obama’s foolish defenders, is meaningless.  The situations are not at all analogous.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Also, pparets, the Chinese armed the North Vietnamese.

The rationalizations going on here to explain why it is ok for the republicans to talk to nations like Iran, North Korea and why democrats can’t is an exercise in political gymnastics.  Great fun to read!

Also, pparets, the Chinese armed the North Vietnamese.

Puzzle,

I never realized that you are old enough to have had some experience with military intelligence during the Vietnam War.  I actually wasn’t serious with that quip a few weeks ago about your AARP card.  Imagine that!?

Actually, the main supplier of military hardware to the North Vietnamese was the Soviet Union, not the Communist Chinese.  With the exception of the anti-aircraft artillery surrounding Hanoi, and Haiphong, which was manned by the Chinese, the entire air defense system of North Vietnam, including radar, communications equipment, MiG aircraft and SA-2 surface-to-air missiles, was Soviet manufactured and installed… with the necessary Russian trainers often right next to their Vietnamese counterparts.  Similarly, most of the munitions and equipment smuggled into Souther Vietnam along the Ho Chi Minh trail through Laos and Cambodia was of Russian origin… not Chinese.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Dhimmierats love to talk.  That’s all they do which explains why terrorism has gotten so much worse and why rogue regimes flourish under the aegis of the “annointed” ones in their ivory towers.  Compare Iran’s actions under peaceful, compassionate Carter and what happened as soon as Reagan reached office.

Dhimmierats love to sell people into slavery up never seem to find the backbone to fight for freedom, but then again to be a Leftist means meeting the prequisites of no spine and having had a frontal lobotomy and thorough brain washing at the local community college of liberal arts mill.

The US has paid out over 180 billion dollars for Carter’s little pace agreement between Israeland Eygpt.  And is there peace?  The sooner the US adopts a realistic policy towards states that sponsor terrorism the sooner it will end lest we become as feeble as Barry the wonder Madrassa graduate.  Pussy doesn’t begin to describe this whimp.  And I thought Clinton would stoop to anything.  Clinton looks like Reagan compared to Snobama, no wonder McGovern has endorsed him.  He must want to see someone lose all fifty states before he dies.  He might have got his wish if the GOP had fielded someone with some integrity like Jack the Ripper rather than a moderate Dhimmierat like McCain.  But then McCain could win if he selects Hildabeast as his VP since the conservatives will be staying home or voting third party.

Where has not negotiating with nations that (we say) sponsor terrorism gotten us? Nowhere! No matter who we may be using as go-betweens, we still look like hard-headed bullies in the eyes of the world. The “good guys vs the bad guys” scenario isn’t working. If we are appeasing anyone, it is the Israelis.