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I don’t believe a word he says until at least one of his senate votes matches this talk.  He had a chance to vote on drilling two years ago, but blocked it.

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i don’t see anything wrong, or as a ‘flip-flop’, for obama to say this.

he is still against the drilling as it is a short term fix and will be used as a distraction to putting together a comprehensive energy policy that does not rely on oil.

the whole problem with our government is that both parties want things their own way, you know, ‘your either with us or against us’ mentality.

compromise is the whole basis for a democracy. obama wants to get away from oil and now says okay, i’ll give you more drilling if you give me a program to get us away from oil. i have a real hard time seeing what is wrong with that.

of course, chief wants obama to vote for drilling and nothing else. and if obama did that, the republicans would most likely ignore a comprehensive energy policy as they have for the last 8+ years.

we need to remember that neither party is always right nor wrong. that each party is suppose to represent everybody, not just those who voted for them. i know, weird concept for a country that purports to be a democracy.

he is still against the drilling as it is a short term fix and will be used as a distraction to putting together a comprehensive energy policy that does not rely on oil.

Actually, you need to read what your Messiah actually said in the first quote again.  He said he thinks Americans need “short term relief” not a prolonging of the failed energy policies from the last 30 years.

Clearly, by “short term relief” he’s not talking about drilling.

And aren’t you liberals the ones who have been telling us that drilling in ANWR wouldn’t lower gas prices for 10 years?  Now suddenly domestic oil drilling will have a short term impact on oil?

I think you guys need to make up your minds.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

sorry, i wasn’t clear on ‘short term fix’.

republican politicians say it will lower prices almost immediately, i guess due to the ‘psychological’ factor—much like the poor economy is only in peoples minds. although on ‘fox and friends’ i heard them claim we will get oil as soon as 1-2 years!

but even if it would produce oil in 2 years, the fact remains that we cannot remain dependand on oil, a finite resource. we can wait till it is almost all gone then turn our attention to alternatives or we can do it now. i don’t see a downside in doing it now. later will just be more expensive.

and i don’t know about your messiah, but mine is not running for president. he’s got much bigger responsibilities.

but even if it would produce oil in 2 years, the fact remains that we cannot remain dependand on oil, a finite resource. we can wait till it is almost all gone then turn our attention to alternatives or we can do it now.

You’re right to some degree, but the problem is that you’re assuming we’ll run out of oil all at once.  That all of a sudden all the world’s oil resources will suddenly run dry and we’ll be in crisis.

Reality is that oil will run out gradually, and oil prices will drive upward as supplies dwindle.  My guess is that high gas prices will eventually force the market to one alternative or another (or, more likely, several alternatives) long before oil reserves ever run out completely.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

i don’t see a downside in doing it now. later will just be more expensive.

The exact opposite is true; using the cheaper energy now makes good economic sense, until it becomes as expensive as so-called “alternative energy”(if ever).
The money wasted on subsidizing the pie in the sky crap is diverted from better uses right now, which is very expensive.  You just have it wrong.

Rob: We’re still on the upside of oil production, so the Malthusian fearmongering of the “shrinking pie” people is just a bunch of hot air.  What they really want is political control of our energy.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

America needs a True Hero.. I doubt if either of these guys are it. Someone smart, who speaks only Truth. And has the Charisma, Force of personality, and Love of America to persuade enough people to do the right things. Without Flip, Flop, or Fib..
Obama’s OUT for me. I won’t vote one of today’s Extream left wing Democrats into office. Especially not with the Houses controled by Pelosi and the wrecking crew.
McCain’s a Republican. A War Hero. Great Family Man. Son’s who serve. (I’m just trying to list the good stuff)
Not too hot on his politics.
But until a better person comes forward, I’ll give him his turn in the Barrel..

Robert:

We’re still on the upside of oil production

Could be, I don’t know enough about the topic to say.  But it’s a moot point as far as I’m concerned.  If oil’s available, and marketable to the public as an energy source without government subsidy, then we should use it.  Period.

Same goes for wind, ethanol, biodiesel, etc.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

And aren’t you liberals the ones who have been telling us that drilling in ANWR wouldn’t lower gas prices for 10 years?  Now suddenly domestic oil drilling will have a short term impact on oil?

Yep because the poll driven Dems are now scared to death if they don’t support domestic drilling they will get creamed at the ballet boxes.

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Yep because the poll driven Dems are now scared to death if they don’t support domestic drilling they will get creamed at the ballet boxes.

Exactly. The same thing happened when “poll driven” Dems made the mistake of voting in favor of the Iraq invasion.
Five or ten years down the line, when we see that all this BS about domestic drilling, like all the BS about WMD, was just political rhetoric and maneuvering, and has got us strictly nowhere, the Dems, and many Republicans, will regret they went along with the idea.
But, who cares, what matters RIGHT NOW is spewing as much bullshit as possible before the November elections.

Now suddenly domestic oil drilling will have a short term impact on oil?

No, not on oil. On votes in November.
Tell you what. Have Congress decide to settle the question of domestic drilling after the election, in January 2009 for example. You can then expect to be treated to a real spectacle of flip-flopping, with congressmen criss-crossing all over the House and Senate like chickens without heads trying to figure out what to say next.

Oswaldo, you don’t have a clue.  The only solution to our future and present energy need is to develop our own resources.  That includes refineries and powerplants, as well as oil drilling and coal and gas mining.  Just making two preliminary moves toward energy development has brought down the futures price twenty dollars a barrel.  You just don’t get it; for you lefties, everything is political, which is why you can never actually solve any problems.  You just play politics, while everything degenerates.  Morons.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

The only solution to our future and present energy need is to develop our own resources.  That includes refineries and powerplants, as well as oil drilling and coal and gas mining. 

robert108, I agree wholeheartedly with you. What I am against is this rush to nail something down before November. That looks and sounds exactly like the “politics” you are so wisely decrying.

robert108, I agree wholeheartedly with you. What I am against is this rush to nail something down before November.

If you really do agree, then why not start as soon as possible?  It will stabilize the futures market, and will separate the sheep from the goats on the matter of energy policy.  No one is forcing the Dems to be on the wrong side of this. They are choosing to be on the side of obstructionism and funneling money to the terrorist oil-producing nations.  If they pulled together for the good of the country, no politics would be involved.  I would say that it’s the Dems/lefties who are playing politics with our future.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Have Congress decide to settle the question of domestic drilling after the election, in January 2009 for example.

If we exempt Congress from voting on difficult issues in election years, maybe we shouldn’t pay them in election years either?

If any of these weasels don’t have enough spine to go on record in an election year, let them find another line of work!

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No one is forcing the Dems to be on the wrong side of this. They are choosing to be on the side of obstructionism and funnelling money to the terrorist oil-producing nations.  If they pulled together for the good of the country, no politics would be involved.  I would say that it’s the Dems/lefties who are playing politics with our future

Hmmm. What you’re saying sounds a wee bit “political” to me. Are you capable of making statements objectively without bringing Democrats or Republicans into your arguments?
Let’s assume you’re a Peruvian shoemaker and I’m a goat herder in the Scottish highlands. For you, left and right refer only the left or right shoe you’re working on. For me, they might refer to the direction I’m steering my goats in. Now then, why is everyone getting their bullocks in such a twist about offshore drilling all of a sudden?

Let’s assume you’re a Peruvian shoemaker and I’m a goat herder in the Scottish highlands.

Well, for one, the Peruvian will know that the Left means terrorism in the form of the Sendero Luminosos and Scots will recognize the Iron Grip of the Socialist government ( Labor Party) seizing just about all private firearms, increasing taxes and governmental surveillance in the wake of Dunblane.

These folks have been around for thousands if not hundreds of years.  Not like they’ve spent all that time under a rock.

Kind of a condescending attitude, don’t ya think?

The Left has a well-deserved nasty reputation worldwide.

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If any of these weasels don’t have enough spine to go on record in an election year, let them find another line of work!

I don’t mind their going on record. I just don’t want them implementing their cockeyed campaign rhetoric after they’re elected.

Are you capable of making statements objectively without bringing Democrats or Republicans into your arguments?

On this subject, the political sides are very clear; Republicans want to develop our own resources, and the Dems want to stop that from happening.  I repeat: it’s the Dems who have made this a political issue.  When gas hit four bucks a gallon, the public made their wishes known, and the Dems are ignoring that.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

The Left has a well-deserved nasty reputation worldwide.

You can apply that to Peru’s Sendero Luminoso left, but not to the U.S. left, por favor señor.

The Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, Earth First, PETA; violent revolutionaries all.  That’s just a few of the nasty lefties in the US.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108, you say:

On this subject, the political sides are very clear; Republicans want to develop our own resources, and the Dems want to stop that from happening.  I repeat: it’s the Dems who have made this a political issue.  When gas hit four bucks a gallon, the public made their wishes known, and the Dems are ignoring that.

My goodness, how you insist on making this a strictly political issue.  Don’t you think it is somewhat infantile to suggest that Americans on the left actually want our country to be dependent on foreign oil? Seriously. Are you trying to insult the intelligence of our people? Also, as concerns gas prices, nobody ignores the wishes of the public to pay less at the pump as you imply. The situation is far more complex than that.

Just to emphasize that there are several views regarding offshore reserves, check out what many learned investigators are saying:

First, there is simply not enough oil out there to make any kind of difference in terms of the energy crisis: “The Energy Information Agency (EIA) projects that if we go the drilling route, we could hit peak production of 200,000 barrels a day by 2030.” This is a trivial quantity, amounting to about 0.2% of the world’s production at that time, and about 1% of the U.S. consumption right now. It would increase domestic production by less than 3%. So offshore drilling would do nothing at all to reduce the price of oil or to “reduce dependency on foreign oil,” to invoke everyone’s favorite slogan.

Ken Medlock, an energy research fellow at Rice University’s James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy is quoted: “You don’t really know what’s there until you go out and drill a well. And even then, you’re not 100 percent sure of what you’re going to get.”

The process is so slow that any new oil wouldn’t be available to consumers until midway through the next decade, suggesting that offshore drilling is not going to make a difference at the pump

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The U.S. Department of Energy, estimated last year that opening the coasts to offshore drilling would have no significant impact on oil prices before 2030.

So do me a favor. Stop spewing political slogans about the left or right, and if nothing else try googling for valid facts and arguments.

The Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, Earth First, PETA; violent revolutionaries all.  That’s just a few of the nasty lefties in the US.

How about the U.S. Communist Party? Do you have anything nice or nasty to say about them.

Hi Chief, you say:

I don’t believe a word he says until at least one of his senate votes matches this talk.  He had a chance to vote on drilling two years ago, but blocked it.

McCain also voted against oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, do you believe a word he says?

How about the U.S. Communist Party? Do you have anything nice or nasty to say about them.

I think they speak for themselves very clearly.  I didn’t claim to have made a complete list.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

My goodness, how you insist on making this a strictly political issue.

Wrong.  I have already said twice on this thread that it’s the Dems who have made this a political issue.  My position is to do what works, and that happens to be politically advantageous for the Republicans right now, due to Dem stupidity and desire to pander to their extremist elements.
Why did you miss this the first two times I said it?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

You can apply that to Peru’s Sendero Luminoso left, but not to the U.S. left, por favor señor.

Hmmm.  When the US-based Left start to get ultra-violent, they attract the attention of the authorities, such as the MOVE in Philly or the SLA in California.  The Weathermen just pretty much faded away after the US unilaterally gave the Communists victory in Vietnam. 

Otherwise, they attain high positions of authority and shoot women and children with impunity, such as at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Aside from those aspects of the US-based Left, it seems as soon as the rest of America finds out what it means to be Leftist, they change their name.

Modernists, Suffragettes, Bolsheviks, Communists, Liberals, Progressives, etc…

Notice how the label Liberal has now become a pejorative?  Same for Feminist.

Now they are Progressive.

Once folks find out what that actually means, the Left will come up with yet another camouflage term.

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Once folks find out what that actually means, the Left will come up with yet another camouflage term.

Interesting observations. The problem is that you’re muddling things by making no distinction between violent leftist regimes and so-called “liberal” Americans who vote Democrat (for example, the 55 million Americans who voted for Kerry). I’m sure your intention is not to associate these “leftist” Americans with deception and violence, which are in fact notions that would more aptly characterize the American Right. By that I of course do not mean the millions of Americans who vote Republican, but rather the Bush Administration, backed by a Republican majority, which has become known worldwide for its duplicity and needless bloodshed and likened to the genocidal dictatorships of Hitler and Stalin.

My goodness, how you insist on making this a strictly political issue.  Don’t you think it is somewhat infantile to suggest that Americans on the left actually want our country to be dependent on foreign oil? Seriously. Are you trying to insult the intelligence of our people? Also, as concerns gas prices, nobody ignores the wishes of the public to pay less at the pump as you imply. The situation is far more complex than that.

A bad economy is good politically for the Dems.

It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

By that I of course do not mean the millions of Americans who vote Republican, but rather the Bush Administration, backed by a Republican majority, which has become known worldwide for its duplicity and needless bloodshed and likened to the genocidal dictatorships of Hitler and Stalin.

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9/11 was needless bloodshed, brought on by the cowardice and duplicity of Clinton.  Since then, the killing of terrorists has been very needed bloodshed.
After eight years of scandals and chasing interns, we finally got a man in the White House.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

9/11 was needless bloodshed, brought on by the cowardice and duplicity of Clinton. Since then, the killing of terrorists has been very needed bloodshed.
After eight years of scandals and chasing interns, we finally got a man in the White House.

Nonsense.  The 9/11 attacks were brought on by the ignorance of George Bush, your “man in the White House.”  Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice were so focused on Iraq and a so-called Iraqi threat that they completely ignored the immediate and serious threat represented by al Qaeda, a network of terrorist organizations led by Osama bin Laden. Paul Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld’s defense deputy, was claiming that too much time was being wasted on, and too much credit given to, bin Laden, that “little terrorist in Afghanistan,” and brushed aside any idea of al Qaeda representing a threat. They were informed and warned that bin Laden had already said he was planning an attack on America, and the FBI knew that terrorists were taking flying lessons in the U.S. Despite all this, the focus remained on Iraq.
Later, just a few hours after the 9/11 attacks, Donald Rumsfeld was telling his people to devise plans for attacking Iraq.
Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. That’s all your man in the White House could think about.
He dishonored those who died in New York on 9/11 by not going after the terrorists that attacked us. He then spent billions upon billions on a dumb war, causing the greatest budget deficit in history, the incredible devaluation of the dollar making all foreign purchases, including oil purchases, more expensive, generating an energy crisis with no end in sight, along with record unemployment, home foreclosures, economic instability and looming recession.

Since then, the killing of terrorists has been very needed bloodshed

Very needed bloodshed? A heartless formulation indeed. But, how many terrorists have we killed?  Give me a figure. Was the killing and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis as a result of our invasion also very needed bloodshed, or the death of the 4000 devoted and heroic U.S. soldiers we sent to fight a needless war based twisted justifications, not to mention the many thousand more of our young men and women crippled for life.

Oswaldo: I wanted to respond to your insane drivel, until I realized anyone so grossly ignorant of the facts and so caught up in anti-Bush fantasy is beyond reason and it would be a waste of time.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
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The 9/11 attacks were brought on by the ignorance of George Bush,your “man in the White House.”

Wrong.  Your boy Clinton ignored AQ during the Nineties, even after they tried to blow up the WTC in ‘93, thus allowing them to grow and prosper unhindered.  He cut and ran from Somalia, thus encouraging them.  The 9/11 hijackers entered the US and trained during the Clinton admin, and the separation of intel under Clinton helped them remain undiscovered.  Clinton also refused to take OBL twice when offered.  9/11 lies squarely in Clinton’s lap.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108.  Correct in correcting oswaldo.  He needs to read My FBI and Dereliction of Duty.  Clinton tried to hide under the radar screen as if nothing was happening.  “see no evil”

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Clinton needed to appease his Muslim buddies.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

And oswaldo.  I said drilling, not just in one place.  McCain, like Bush is an honest man.  It would be hard to convince certain people of this because they may not have ever encountered a straight man.  There probably are a small number in the USA and a smaller amount in the world.  For those who have never been friends with men of integrity, they find it impossible to understand why some people value honesty.  Visit the midwest sometime, work for a summer on a farm.

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Chief, you say:

McCain, like Bush is
an honest man

I won’t disagree with you on that. I too value honesty and integrity. But let me say, in all honesty, that I would have liked to hear you say something more like:

McCain, like Bush and Obama, is an honest man

You see, I personally have no problem with that.

Obama is as far as you can get from being an honest man.
He has yet to tell the American people the truth about his black separatist and Marxist roots.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Obama is as far as you can get from being an honest man.  He has yet to tell the American people the truth about his black separatist and Marxist roots.

That is right on.

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The Moronic Concept it takes 10 years from oil to flow from a well toy your Vehicle is nothing short of Stupid, theres NO Way a business could survive with that much delay from Production to sales, thats like taking 10 Years to build a car, when an oil well is drilled, it either hits Oil or Gas or Both, or it doesnt, if it does lines are run to 200-400 barrel storage tanks, and those tanks are gauged regularly and when a Load is there, the trucks come to pick it up, if theres a Pipe line, the Pipe line will be started when the OK to drill is set in motion, especially if the reserves are Known, the Democrats again are playing the Stupid card with US, and the Blue ones are Buying it…...