Obama Flip-Flops On Kwame Kilpatrick

  •  August 15, 2008

The indicted Mayor of Detroit wasn’t someone Obama would call on to resign previously, but now suddenly Obama says Kilpatrick (and his ankle bracelet) isn’t welcome at the Democrat convention in Denver.
Amazing what a little scrutiny can do to Obama’s positions.

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  • http://Array ollie-B

    But Obama spokesman Brent Colburn said in an e-mail that the focus of the convention should be on Obama and not on what Colburn called “the troubles of one individual.”

    I disagree. The focus should be on unifying the Democratic Party and bringing about the changes we have been promised. Obama should only be a torchbearer for the cause.
    Kwame is an insult to the people who voted him into office. If he had any honor, he would resign. But you know these politicians. They get in office and their egos take over.
    The Chinese refused to let Robert Mugabe attend the Olympics. Same goes for Kwame. But, he’ll get to go. He’s Black, you know.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    OK, not a flip flop.

    Good. Great.

    Now you have some new mud, I see.

    Probably won’t stick either.

    Good luck with that!

  • onemorevoice

    Eh.. dead issue.

    Since who one associates with speaks volumes about that persons character

    So how much did you look up on McCain and Mr. Keating?

    Or do you only point your brilliant analytical mind at Obama?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Flip Flop: Changing one’s stated position…OK with you?

  • docdave

    So earlier today, you’re suggesting that Obama should have condemned Kwame. Now that he’s more or less done so, you still have a problem?

    And you don’t? How many of Obamas former associates has he disowned due to unfavorable plubicity? Too numerous to count. Does he have any friends that are beyond suspicion of wrong doings? Since who one associates with speaks volumes about that persons character I would think all rational people would have problem with that.

  • Bat One

    This isn’t a flip-flop. This is him correcting his error, for whatever reason…

    Okay… Flip-flop is out. Instead let’s say the man is inexperienced, ill-informed, indecisive, unsure of himself, and congenitally unable to take a position, defend it as principled, and stick with it.

    That sound better?

  • Huh

    So given all that, you’d think that Obama the “change” candidate would be more than willing to condemn the actions of Kwame the “politics as usual” candidate.

    You’d think anyway.

    So earlier today, you’re suggesting that Obama should have condemned Kwame. Now that he’s more or less done so, you still have a problem?

  • Bob O’Bryan

    Ok… so we’re going to condemn someone who is not afraid to re-evaluate his stance when presented with new information? Funny… I thought that this was something that adults were supposed to do. Obama is human. One of the things that makes him a compelling candidate is that he’s not too hung up on his own ego that he has to be right all the time, every time (unlike our current administration… “We have to invade Iraq! There’s WMD’s! …WHAT??!!?? No DMD’s???? Umm… we uh… still did the right thing… uh… Iraq had it comin, man…I’m telling ya!”). Which of these two mindsets do we really want leading or country? One that cannot admit to ANY mistakes, or one that is not afraid of new information? I’ll take the guy who isn’t afraid to change course when it becomes apparent that there’s better/clearer information available upon which to base a more informed decision.

  • RebTex

    OK
    RBB
    Game on!
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    In May 2007, Kilpatrick received this glowing endorsement from Barack Obama, who called him a “great mayor” who is doing an “outstanding job.”
    Obama says that Kilpatrick “is going to be doing astounding things for many years to come”
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    THis was after several problems with the Law by Kilpatrick.
    I would call it another bad relationship, I guess, rather than a flip-flop.
    But it may be fruitful to agree on a definition of exactly what a “flip-flop” is.
    That way, we’re all argueing on a level field.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    When did he commend Kwame? If he commended him prior to the alleged firing of police officers, motorcycle riding, etc. (or before he knew about it), then this “flip flop” makes sense. If not, then you may have a point.
    Sometimes it’s OK to change your position when faced with new information. It shows you’re actually thinking.

    Kwame has been corrupt as hell for years and involved in numerous scandals, most predating Obama’s support. In 2002, it was alleged that Kilpatrick had a wild party with strippers. When he wife came home, she assaulted one of the women. Pretty tame. But when people started looking into it to make sure no laws had been broken…the firings began. A stripper who claimed to have been at the party was brutally murdered in a drive by which was clearly targeting her. This was the second attempt on her life, both made after she came forward. The city seemed to engage in a coverup.

    There have been others, but this is enough to convince people that Kilpatrick was involved in her murder, and has been known for years. Yet in 2007, Obama gave him GLOWING praise. Despicible. Now that he’s being hit by the right on it…he’s backpedaled. But, like Wright, he refused to at first. It’s hard to pretend it was anything but a crass political ploy.

  • Puzzlefeet

    Rob writes:

    He actually commended Kwame before he condemned him!

    Sort of like Bush seeing into Putin’s soul and now…..

  • RebTex

    Perpetual motion is getting a cat to consume dog poop!
    But this “flip-flop-oline” would be very inexpensive!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Ok RebTex let’s have a go at this one.
    Where is the Flip Flop?

  • Huh

    He actually commended Kwame before he condemned him!

    When did he commend Kwame? If he commended him prior to the alleged firing of police officers, motorcycle riding, etc. (or before he knew about it), then this “flip flop” makes sense. If not, then you may have a point.

    Sometimes it’s OK to change your position when faced with new information. It shows you’re actually thinking.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    If only we could somehow convert obama’s flip-flops into a form of energy,

    LOL, RebTex .. perpetual motion

  • RebTex

    If only we could somehow convert obama’s flip-flops into a form of energy, we’d be set till 3000!

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Ok… so we’re going to condemn someone who is not afraid to re-evaluate his stance when presented with new information? Funny… I thought that this was something that adults were supposed to do.

    Well, Bob. As I pointed out, there was no new info. Kilpatrick was a criminal and corrupt politician when Obama supported him. But now its bad politically soooooo….

    One of the things that makes him a compelling candidate is that he’s not too hung up on his own ego that he has to be right all the time, every time (unlike our current administration…

    Yet, Obama has never stopped calling for troop reductions, no matter the ground support. Even when the surge proved him wrong, he has never admitted his error. Obama IS so hung up on his ego that he can’t ever be wrong. It’s why you hear this bull that he was always doing…whatever…when the record shows the opposite. He’s a liar and a moron.

    (unlike our current administration… “We have to invade Iraq! There’s WMD’s! …WHAT??!!?? No DMD’s???? Umm… we uh… still did the right thing… uh… Iraq had it comin, man…I’m telling ya!”).

    Until 2004, no one denied that Bush did the right thing. That we now have an entire industry dedicated to bashing Bush’s undeniably correct decision. Anyone who thinks Bush was wrong is an imbecile.

    I’ll take the guy who isn’t afraid to change course when it becomes apparent that there’s better/clearer information available upon which to base a more informed decision.

    ‘

    Well, it’s clear you’re full of shit as you’re defending the moron who’s ideas got discredited during Carter’s administration.

  • Bob O’Bryan

    Ok… so we’re going to condemn someone who is not afraid to re-evaluate his stance when presented with new information? Funny… I thought that this was something that adults were supposed to do. Obama is human. One of the things that makes him a compelling candidate is that he’s not too hung up on his own ego that he has to be right all the time, every time (unlike our current administration… “We have to invade Iraq! There’s WMD’s! …WHAT??!!?? No DMD’s???? Umm… we uh… still did the right thing… uh… Iraq had it comin, man…I’m telling ya!”). Which of these two mindsets do we really want leading or country? One that cannot admit to ANY mistakes, or one that is not afraid of new information? I’ll take the guy who isn’t afraid to change course when it becomes apparent that there’s better/clearer information available upon which to base a more informed decision.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Humor us Rube, just where is the flip flop in this one?

  • Brainmaggot

    OK lets get this straight let the democrats and republicans escalate this to lethal force non lethal weapons only tear gas, mace, pepper spray, rubber hand grenades, rubber bullets, smoke. Let the police elevate the level of force to lethal then and only then use lethal force. No more yahoo’s or buckeroo actions we want them alive or at least as many as possible pick your targets carefully plan an escape route this is our country not the dem’s and rep’s we can take it back. They are caretakers that have not done there job and must face the consequences for there action.

  • docdave

    So how much did you look up on McCain and Mr. Keating?
    Or do you only point your brilliant analytical mind at Obama?

    Hey, dipshit, this post is about Obama. You want to talk about McCain, make your own post.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Sort of like Bush seeing into Putin’s soul and now…..

    Which was insanely stupid.

    But hey, let’s try and mitigate the bad behavior of Dems by pointing out shortcomings of Republicans.

    When Bush made the comment, Putin had just taken office. We’ve all made errors in judging people. He may not have judged the man correctly, but he also had no track record to go on. When Obama praised Kilpatrick, the man was already accused of complicity in murder. He had been involved in several scandals. So, it’s not that Obama didn’t know Kwame was scum, he just chose to ignore it.

  • docdave

    Sort of like Bush seeing into Putin’s soul and now…..

    Last time I looked neather Bush or Putin was running for president. Of course that doesn’t matter to you as you once again try to excuss your candidates behavior with stupid equivalences.

  • Bob O’Bryan

    Ok… so we’re going to condemn someone who is not afraid to re-evaluate his stance when presented with new information? Funny… I thought that this was something that adults were supposed to do. Obama is human. One of the things that makes him a compelling candidate is that he’s not too hung up on his own ego that he has to be right all the time, every time (unlike our current administration… “We have to invade Iraq! There’s WMD’s! …WHAT??!!?? No DMD’s???? Umm… we uh… still did the right thing… uh… Iraq had it comin, man…I’m telling ya!”). Which of these two mindsets do we really want leading or country? One that cannot admit to ANY mistakes, or one that is not afraid of new information? I’ll take the guy who isn’t afraid to change course when it becomes apparent that there’s better/clearer information available upon which to base a more informed decision.

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  • Bob O’Bryan

    Ok… so we’re going to condemn someone who is not afraid to re-evaluate his stance when presented with new information? Funny… I thought that this was something that adults were supposed to do. Obama is human. One of the things that makes him a compelling candidate is that he’s not too hung up on his own ego that he has to be right all the time, every time (unlike our current administration… “We have to invade Iraq! There’s WMD’s! …WHAT??!!?? No DMD’s???? Umm… we uh… still did the right thing… uh… Iraq had it comin, man…I’m telling ya!”). Which of these two mindsets do we really want leading or country? One that cannot admit to ANY mistakes, or one that is not afraid of new information? I’ll take the guy who isn’t afraid to change course when it becomes apparent that there’s better/clearer information available upon which to base a more informed decision.

  • Bob O’Bryan

    Ok… so we’re going to condemn someone who is not afraid to re-evaluate his stance when presented with new information? Funny… I thought that this was something that adults were supposed to do. Obama is human. One of the things that makes him a compelling candidate is that he’s not too hung up on his own ego that he has to be right all the time, every time (unlike our current administration… “We have to invade Iraq! There’s WMD’s! …WHAT??!!?? No DMD’s???? Umm… we uh… still did the right thing… uh… Iraq had it comin, man…I’m telling ya!”). Which of these two mindsets do we really want leading or country? One that cannot admit to ANY mistakes, or one that is not afraid of new information? I’ll take the guy who isn’t afraid to change course when it becomes apparent that there’s better/clearer information available upon which to base a more informed decision.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    Which of these two mindsets do we really want leading or country? One that cannot admit to ANY mistakes, or one that is not afraid of new information?

    Well, if this is a big concern for you, you obviously have to vote for McCain.

    McCain changes his mind because of what the facts on the ground tell him to do (such as changing his mind on drilling).

    Obama changes his mind because of what focus groups, polling and political consultants tell him to do (Obama was getting pounded on his opposition to drilling after McCain changed his mind, and his advisors decided he had to play catch up. This is merely one example).

  • Eddie_the_Hated

    This isn’t a flip-flop. This is him correcting his error, for whatever reason, and I commend him for it, if grudgingly.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Ok… so we’re going to condemn someone who is not afraid to re-evaluate his stance when presented with new information?

    The problem is that Obama doesn’t re-evaluate his stance when presented with new information. He re-evaluates his position when it’s politically expedient.

    Look at Rev. Wright. Obama sat through all those America-damning sermons for 20 years, but when did he throw Wright under the bus?

    Once the American public started seeing the sermons.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    So earlier today, you’re suggesting that Obama should have condemned Kwame. Now that he’s more or less done so, you still have a problem?

    He actually commended Kwame before he condemned him!

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