Obama Expands SCHIP Health Entitlement As First Step Toward Nationalized Health Care

Never mind that the country can hardly afford such entitlement expansions in its present economic state and on top of the massive bailouts and “stimulus” spending Obama and his Democrats have or will be adding to our already significant tax burden. It’s for the children.
And you can’t be against anything that’s for the children.

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Wednesday signed a bill extending health coverage to 4 million uninsured children, a move he called a first step toward fulfilling a campaign pledge to provide insurance for all Americans. It was a victory for Obama a day after his nominee to shepherd his broad health care agenda stepped aside amid tax problems.
Obama used an ebullient East Room signing ceremony to continue his push for his plan that would provide universal health insurance, even as he spent much of the previous day admitting he “screwed up” in naming former Sen. Tom Daschle to spearhead the health care overhaul. He wrapped the signing event in another pitch for his separate $819 billion economic plan that now is under consideration in the Senate and faces Republican opposition.
“As I think everybody here will agree, this is only the first step,” Obama said of the bill that reauthorizes the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.
“Because the way I see it, providing coverage to 11 million children through CHIP is a down payment on my commitment to cover every single American,” he said to applause before turning to the economic recovery bill.

Perhaps more ludicrous than the idea that the government can, or should, be providing health care for all of the nation’s children (let alone all of the nation’s adults) is the idea that they’re going to pay for this through taxes on tobacco:

The children’s health bill calls for spending an additional $32.8 billion on SCHIPI, which now enrolls an estimated 7 million children. Lawmakers generated that revenue by raising the federal tobacco tax.

Consider, for a moment, this budgeting paradox. While the federal government, teamed up with state governments around the country, spends billions on efforts to bully Americans into quitting smoking they’re simultaneously hanging the the burden for paying for massive entitlement expansion on tobacco taxes.
Absurd? You betcha. But massive entitlement expansions like this one don’t pass when politicians can’t pitch them as being paid for with other people’s money. SCHIP long ago stopped being government-provided health care for poor children and started being about government-provided health care for all children. It is, as Obama freely admits, the fine edge of socialized medicine. The “foot in the door” Democrats need to nationalize our health care industry. But they can’t sell it as something the average citizen will pay for. They have to sell it as something some narrow and unsympathetic demographic will pay for. Usually, when Democrats try this trick, it’s always “the rich” who are going to foot the bill.
This time around it’s “the smokers.” Because nobody feels sorry for smokers, so why not tax the hell out of them to fund goodies for the rest of us?
That such a tax on tobacco will inevitably be unsustainable , that it’s never, ever going to provide all of the revenue needed to fund this massive boondoggle, that we’ll all eventually be footing the bill for these massive health care entitlements in the same tax-happy way Canadians and Brits and Aussies pay for their respective national health care boondoggles, apparent does not matter.
We’re all going to pay for Obama’s good intentions.

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  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    You want the chance to disprove your intellectual bankruptcy? Fine! Then, in twenty-five words or less, explain exactly how mortgage brokers were like Nazi war criminals!

  • bill-tb

    Smoke ‘em if you are still breathing, and enlist another 14 million smokers to help out. The illegals need health care too.

    Isn’t it great they way liberals spend other people’s money as if liberals pay taxes or something like that.

    If you think you are just going to roll your own, wait until you find out the tax on raw tobacco was raised to $24 a pound. Looks like a new business opportunity for street organizers.

    Oh oh, what happens if they don’t get enough tax money from smokes to support the freebies?

  • carrick

    Dino:

    I’m mobile to avoid the stew of viruses on this site

    You must be using that crapped-up Windows operating system again.

    Lioncourt:

    A bill over $200k. I was not able to work for over a year.

    Well I’m sorry to hear about your illness and hope things are better for you now.

    Didn’t you have insurance? My insurance company has a cap on out of pocket expenses of $2000/year (up to the several million in lifetime coverage). I didn’t learn about this, until my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer last November.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Those who can not understand the argument instead debase and demonize.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Weak. Even for you, Proof.

    And people kicked sand in the face of your “Little Eichmanns” remark on the beach! Heh.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    We already know you haven’t got a f**king clue about any of this.

    Says the mortgage broker who doesn’t understand the role that Fannie & Freddie DIDN’T play in the meltdown.

    The mortgage industry was on the front lines of the war that destroyed the economy. Most of you should be in prison.

    There’s still time…….

  • Bat One

    That’s because this mess is bush’s fault.

    Take a hike, Swish! We already know you haven’t got a f**king clue about any of this.

  • Bat One

    Sig,

    What bothers me more than the counter-productive policy pronouncements, or the smarmy arrogance of a rookie radical with no principles, is Obama’s apparent lack of humility about it all. Every other president I’ve seen, even the most seasooned leaders going back to Eisenhower, and including even the bombastic Clinton, was early on humbled by the job he had undertaken. Obama, who is clearly in over his head, has shown no such respect for the enormity of the responsibility has undertaken. And that worries me far more than the obvious fact that he doesn’t know just what he’s doing.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Weak. Even for you, Proof.

  • SigFan

    His attitude and arrogance puts me in mind of a quote:

    “What gets us into trouble is not what we don’t know; it’s what we know for sure that just ain’t so.” — Yogi Berra

    Pretty funny that wisdom of this sort came from the mouth of a man who was famous for his malapropisms.
    I think this one is also appropriate:

    “Fullness of knowledge always and necessarily means some understanding of the depths of our ignorance, and that is always conducive to both humility and reverence.”
    – Robert A. Millikan

    Wish I was smart enough to think of things myself, but am gald that I have the wisdom of others to draw from.

  • Dino

    The people on the front lines of destroying the economy, capitalism and our way of life were the mortgage brokers who were out there creating toxic debt to sell to Wall Street.

    That’s why seeing the RE “profession” going the way of the dodo is so gosh-darned satisfying!

    ——-
    My work system is what it is. I don’t think asking for better virus protection so I can argue with the stems is a good idea.

  • jimmypop

    The best measure of health care is life expectancy.

    no, its not.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Lyn, I am not sure what you mean by that statement. BUT Before Obama SPENDS my money (USA Tax Payer’s money.) I really hope we are informed!

  • SigFan

    In it’s original form, providing health care to uninsured children in families with a minimal income, SCHIP was a good and just idea. Expanding it to cover children in families with higher incomes, some with private insurance and non-citizen illegal aliens, not so much. I am not a hard-hearted person, but there is (or was) a concept called personal responsibilty. Rather than giving people something for nothing, give them the tax credits they need to pay for their own private insurance and allow free-market competition for that business. The net result will be lower insurance costs across the board, independent choice of insurer and provider and continued best-in-class health care in the world.

    As a simple illustration, in my state it is mandated that an employer provided healthcare plan (supplemented by the employee) include coverage for things such as abortion, pre-natal care, and many other medical procedures, none of which I or my wife will ever use. We’re way past child rearing age, have no kids, don’t need this coverage but my employer and I are forced by law to pay for it regardless of this. Can anyone explain to me how this makes sense in any way?

  • http://www.sayanythingblog.com/ electnixon

    We’re gonna need more smokers…

  • http://fromwembleypark.com/ Lyn

    One question: Are we going to have media circus press conferences for everything Obama does?

    Stay tuned America. Around 14:30 hours Eastern Standard Time Obama is going to go to the bathroom and make pooh. The announcement will be made on the steps of Capitol Hill by Press Secretary Gibbs.

  • 2Hotel9

    Do not put your children in this program. It will lower the quality of care, and open them to a whole host of other intrusive government meddling.

  • jimmypop

    attention pub party, elections mean things.

    next time, put a conservative up.

  • canadian

    Canada has a better health care system than the states here in Saskatchewan its free i’ve never had to pay to see the doctor or to stay in the hospital in my life nor has any of my family my dads had hips replaced and cancer treatment at no expence my niece had cancer was treated at no expence they all got the best care i could make a big list here of people here that have been treated in Canada at no cost compliments of our government. Not bad for having a crapy health care system actually i think we got you Americans beat at health care

  • SigFan

    Expect the latest release from the Surgeon General any day now:

    “Smoking is good for your health, and it’s the patriotic thing to do! Just don’t try to do it in a public place because that’s illegal.”

  • carrick

    Lioncourt:

    Give me some stats. The best measure of health care is life expectancy. We don’t have the highest so what are you basing that statement on?

    Life expectancy brings in a lot of other variables besides the health care system, so in my opinion that is a very poor measure. Life expectancy likely tracks more strongly with stress level than with medical care.

    To give you an illustration, in the time of the Romans in London, they have been show to have life spans comparable to modern humans. (This begs the question of quality of life of course.)

    Oddly (for a physical scientist), I prefer metrics like customer satisfaction.

    Guess in which country (in spite of its apparent high costs) that occurs in? The US.

    Further, basic medical needs aren’t that different in this country compared to other ones. (I can get a routine health visit e.g. for a cold for $40 at a walk-in clinic.) What drives up US costs isn’t routine care, but the availability of high end care like heart transplant facilities, state of the art diagnostic equipment like PET-CT scanners. The radioisotope F18 they use for the PET scan has a half-life of about 20 minutes, which means the stuff is expensive as hell (often they build a cyclotron at the site of the PET scan machine to manufacture the radioisotope themselves).

    Now it is precisely this sort of medical care that drives up the price of American health care…. In Europe the government decides whether they can afford it with their budget, who is allowed access and so forth.

    Our system isn’t perfect, but the bottom line is you get what you pay for.

  • Lioncourt

    The US spends more in healthcare than any country in the world. Maybe getting rid of our system is economic stimulus.

  • Lioncourt

    We also have the best health care in the world.

    Give me some stats. The best measure of health care is life expectancy. We don’t have the highest so what are you basing that statement on?

    But here’s the thing: What are you willing to pay for choice? I’m not willing to trade in my control, and my choice, in health care for a government-run, one-size-fits-all system that exchanges that choice for universal access to the same, crappy health care like Canada and other countries have.

    I filed bankruptcy because of health care. I think basic health care in an industrial nation is a right.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Lioncourt, How did Health care force you to file for bankruptcy? In the 80′s the company my husband worked for went Bust and He was laid off. It left us without health insurance. I had to have emergency surgery, transfusions, etc… and we had Zero insurance. Our hospital bills were enormous. BUT we did NOT file for bankruptcy. We paid every single one of them little by little. My point is Govt is not responsible for it’s people’s health care. Health care is NOT a Right. Health care is a personal responsibility.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Our country will never recover IF we don’t allow bad businesses and bad business practices to fail. It is a natural progression. IF we continue bail outs for everyone, Everyone will be broke trying to pay enormous amounts to keep them afloat.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Give me some stats. The best measure of health care is life expectancy. We don’t have the highest so what are you basing that statement on?

    There are reasons for that. We have a higher murder rate than many countries (which leads to lower life expectancy). Getting shot in the head and heart is a hard problem for any surgeon.

    We also have a higher rate of obecity than anywhere else in the world. That affects the stats just a bit too. As does smoking…etc.

    Yet, the life expectancy is 77 in the US compared to the highest, which is 81. We have all those problems that other countries don’t…and we’re only 4 years behind? That’s a testiment to our medicine.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Conservatives declare bankruptcy all the time. They just lie about it.

    Seen it a hundred times.

  • Bat One

    We have all those problems that other countries don’t…and we’re only 4 years behind? That’s a testament to our medicine.

    The single greatest testament to what we have here in the US is the number of immigrants, legal and illegal, who come here… or try to. No other country comes anywhere close to having so many millions wanting to be here.

  • Hawk

    Don’t most businesses offer COBRA extensions on insurance after termination for any reason?

    Law firm I worked for was small enough that it was exempt from Cobra.

  • Dino

    Little Eichmanns describes the complicity of those who participate in destructive and immoral systems in a way that on an individual scale may seem indirect but when taken collectively has a detrimental effect.

    That about describes anyone working in real estate over the last 8 years or so.

    (Definition somewhat paraphrased from Wiki. I’m mobile to avoid the stew of viruses on this site.)

  • SigFan

    Lyn, Zsa Zsa and Bat

    You’ve touched on something that I’ve been thinking about for a few days, that is, what if all the non-stimulus nonsense and coverage is just a smokescreen? We are already seeing public support for this monster nose-dive and they had to know it would. They may be crazy but they are not stupid. It’s almost a classic study in misdirection, while we’re all focused on the the flash-bang, the thief comes up from behind and steals our wallets. Call me a crazy, paranoid, conspiracy nut, but … What other under the radar tricks does he have up his sleeve?

  • Bat One

    Sig,

    First, lets be honest. There is very little stimulus in the so-called “stimulus package.” It is instead a taxpayer funded thank-you gift to those who put Pelosi and Obama into office. It’s the “Chicago Way” remember?

    Obama talks about creating 4 million jobs or so, but that’s just so much rhetorical flourish aimed at those who prefer not to think… bullshit, in other words. A look at the Obama bill itself and all its assorted spending initiatives shows virtually nothing that will actually put a laid-off autoworker, retail clerk, property manager, banker, or middle manager back to work. And a review of economic history shows no instance when massive deficit spending by government brought a country out of a deflationary recession. None. What it did create in the past, here and elsewhere, is higher inflation and correspondingly higher interest rate later on down the road.

    Obama may not be particularly knowledgeable, or experienced, but he is certainly crafty. He will continue to blame his predecessor for everything that goes wrong, while taking credit for any little thing that goes right. He can rely on Bernanke and the Fed to stop the deflation and the credit constipation by re-inflating the currency, and to know when and how to put on the brakes. And if Bernanke’s judgment fails and the expected hyper-inflation does return, Obama will throw him under the bus the same as he did his 20-year spiritual advisor and mentor, Jeremiah Wright. A man with no scruples isn’t burdened with shame either.

    FDR’s most famous line, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” got him elected 4 times… despite the fact that his policies had little if any impact on the country’s economic situation. A decade after he uttered that line, the US was just starting to come out of the depression, thanks to the ramped up industrial production and the manpower requirements necessary to fight a two ocean World War. The lesson is to sell the rubes what they want to hear. And don’t let them look behind the curtain and learn that they can do it on, and for themselves.

    Obama is a Chicago liberal, whose agenda starts with the expansion of government and the diminuation of all that inconvenient freedom, liberty, and rugged individualism stuff. You are right to watch your back, and right to watch your wallet. Your “contribution” to the “common good” is gonna cost a whole lot more than what you’ve been told.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    But I thought he was a failure? Two weeks from imploding? The worst train wreck since Nixon?

    How’d he pass this?

    We only have the best health care in the world if you’re in the top 10%.

    Funny how cons are so willing to spend $3 trillion to kill tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians but the idea of providing health care to children in their own country upsets them. Even Vietnam provides all children under 12 with health care. Good thing we didn’t win that war or our ideals wouldn’t have allowed that.

  • Bat One

    Wish I was smart enough to think of things myself, but (I) am glad that I have the wisdom of others to draw from.

    Sig,

    Once again, from journalist Walter Winchell,

    It takes wisdom to recognize wisdom. The music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

    Cheers!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Funny. A mortgage broker calling anyone else a maniac. The mortgage brokers were the Little Eichmans of this meltdown.

  • SigFan

    Bat – To quote Rush;

    “We are so screwed!”

    You’re absolutely right, either way we’re about to enter one of the most dangerous times in our countries history with one of the most dangerous leaders we could possibly have.

  • SigFan

    Bat –

    All I keep hearing him say lately is so full of doom and gloom, trying to scare the public into buying this BS before they know what they’re getting into. His latest attempt to get the uninformed to jump on the Hope Express, from Drudge this morning:

    “Pass it now, or we may never recover!”

    All I can hope for is that principled people on both sides of the aisle are smart enough and have enough integrity to put the brakes on. If not – God help us all.

    I wonder if a few years from now we’ll have someone standing on a stage yelling, “He played upon our fears!!!” in regard to this nonesense.

  • Bat One

    “Pass it now, or we may never recover!”

    Sig,

    Only two ways to look at this. Either he know what he’s saying is horseshit, in which case he’s little more than a lying megalomaniac, or he honestly believes what he’s saying, in which case he is simply too ignorant and judgmentally impaired to be president. There really isn’t any middle ground, is there?

  • Dino

    Others, including those from your “tribe” have written about the browser viruses they picked up here. And I never said it was your fault, Rob.

    ——–
    BatShitCrazy, sorry if the little Eichmann label distresses you so. Probably hits close to home.

    Also sorry that, despite your communication skills and verbose writing style I was able to destroy your mindless drivel about Fannie & Freddie, the same now discredited drivel poor little Proof is alluding to.

    But I bet you people in the RE industry are salivating over the misguided republican plan to create another RE bubble.

  • mnconservative

    What I haven’t heard here tonight are other reasons for the health care problems in this country: I worked as a Registered Nurse for 25 years so I know of what I speak
    1. Never in all the ER’s that I ever worked did we ever turn anyone away for lack of Insurance or proof of any ability to pay. Actually illegal to do so if you accept Gov’t reimbursement.
    2. The patients without insurance were referred to Social Services, who quickly got them into the Medicaid system of fixed prices.
    3. For those patients without any coverage they had the general attitude that Uncle Sam would just take care of it for them.
    4. Due to all the malpractice suits being perpetrated against Doctors, Hospitals, Clinics, Nurses, or any other entity with a pocketbook Health care practitioners have had to resort to what is known as “shot gun” medicine and treatment. Performing needless tests just in case something, God forbid, may go wrong and they end up in court of law. Which is exactly the reason that so many Obstetric units have closed down all around the country. They are just too risky to run with all the law suits that are filed against the OB/GYN’s and staff.
    5. The litigation has driven the costs of malpractice insurance through the roof, so much so that Doctors can no longer afford to be in independant practice and are forced into large Medical Center groups. Which like any other business the costs of which are passed on to the customers.
    6. Any hospital or clinic which accepts Medicare payments does so on a fixed price system. Managed Care is what it is called, where even the length of stay in a hospital is determined by “the system” so comes the creative diagnosing in the event of any complications or just the inability of the patient to safely return home. Which often they do only to return for the same illness.
    7. In order to qualify for Medicare reimbursement Health Care Facilities have to succomb to the JCAHO, the Joint Commision of Healthcare Accreditation affectionetly called the Joint Commission for short, inspection of the facility (really it’s anal probing and leads to so much inefficiency that we don’t have time to talk about here). This is another of our highly efficient (;-{), bureaucratic institutional nightmare, Washington type organizations. Who many will opine that was started by a bunch of MD’s and nurses who really didn’t or couldn’t cut it in the trenches but couldn’t retire yet.

    I think you all get the idea. Really I could go on but…and please don’t anyone talk to me about the greedy, rich Doctors. Until you have seen a Doctor want to tear his/her heart out because they couldn’t save a child, baby, gramma, mother, son, daughter, or best friend do not sit in judgement.

    Most Doctors that I worked with would put in a full day in the clinic, do evening rounds in the evening just to once again check on an unstable patient, often on their own time because the reimburser would only pay for 1 visit a day for hospitalized patients, or give comfort to a distraught family facing a horrible diagnoses of a loved one. Only upon arrival home to their family be called back to the hospital because of a critically ill patient or someone presented at the ER with chest pain. Maybe they would get something to eat, drink, or would be able to use the BR while making life and death decisions. Often these scenerios would keep that same doctor awake for 24-36 hours, only to do it all over again.

    Privatized Health care, where decisions are made by the patient, their families, and their health care practitioners is the only way to save this bloated system. Oh Yeah, and don’t even start me on tort reform! The system needs to be made competative. No amount of gov’t subsidy has ever made anything efficient, innovative, or competative. IMHO

  • FlybyKnight

    Well, looks like I’m going to have to start buying black market cigarettes. No way I’m paying that tax to fund this program.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Lioncourt – The best measure of health care is life expectancy.

    No it’s not.

    Here’s some stats: Asians live longer than whites. Whites live longer than blacks.

    See the problem with the metric yet? You’re ignoring all of the many factors that go into life expectancy, such as genes and lifestyle.

    I think basic health care in an industrial nation is a right.

    There is no right that demands time and work from someone else.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    We have elected a Commie Socialist POTUS. Obama doesn’t have a clue how to do anything but raise Taxes and Spend,Spend, Spend!!!! One of these days America is going to wake up and find out how blinded we were by the MSM and their propaganda tactics in electing a Socialist President. Our lives will certainly CHANGE. BUT not for the better. The sky is not falling! AND the children will always be taken care of. Government is NOT Charity. BUT with Obama and the Socialist, commie, Libs the Government is starting to look like Santa Clause! You got to pick a pocket or two is the new National Anthem.

  • Lioncourt

    Every other president I’ve seen, even the most seasooned leaders going back to Eisenhower, and including even the bombastic Clinton, was early on humbled by the job he had undertaken.

    How did W show this? You are full of shit.

    You’ll notice Lioncourt hasn’t come back to explain why s/he filed bankruptcy instead of paying the medical bills.

    I quit my job to be closer to my dying father. I had another job lined up, but in the intervening two weeks I got sick and was in the hospital for a month and intensive care for two weeks. A bill over $200k. I was not able to work for over a year. I filed bankruptcy to legally discharge those debts and i am not ashamed of it.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The mortgage brokers were the Little Eichmans (sic) of this meltdown.

    Is there a bailout planned for intellectual bankruptcy? ‘Cause our Dino could be the poster child for that!

  • Bat One

    Zsa Zsa,

    I fear that you and Lynn are both correct. Everything Obama does that is inconsequential and superficial will be flung about in the press like so much monkey feces, while every substantive decision will be hidden away, guarded to protect “The One”, and us, from the sacred knowledge.

    If you don’t acknowledge that the emperor has not clothes, his shriveled impotence is protected

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    He will continue to blame his predecessor for everything that goes wrong

    That’s because this mess is bush’s fault.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I quit my job to be closer to my dying father. I had another job lined up, but in the intervening two weeks I got sick and was in the hospital for a month and intensive care for two weeks.

    Don’t most businesses offer COBRA extensions on insurance after termination for any reason? Were you offered a continuation of your insurance that you elected not to take?

  • LoadTheMule

    You’ll notice Lioncourt hasn’t come back to explain why s/he filed bankruptcy instead of paying the medical bills.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The people on the front lines of destroying the economy, capitalism and our way of life were the mortgage brokers who were out there creating toxic debt to sell to Wall Street.

    More gibberish! You liken real estate brokers to Nazis and then babble: How is that not intellectual bankruptcy?

  • Brent

    Didn’t some homeless guy just die in Winnipeg because he waited in the emergency room for 34 hours?

  • Bat One

    Dino.

    One last time: Although you have demonstrated a moderate capability where personal insult is concerned, you’ve shown nothing else that would intrigue a thoughtful individual to give you or anything you’ve written a second glance. And while your remarks are colorful, they are also abysmally shallow, predictably vile, and totally devoid of any discernible intelligence. What little you profess to know, the insults and the vocabulary, is likely cribbed from DU, DailyKOS, or some other progressive karst. But beyond that, you got nothin’!

    Meanwhile, there are other lefties here, even self-styled “progressives”, who are fully capable of a thoughtful, well-reasoned discussions of issues. You are not, however, among them.

    When your best “fastball” goes only 59 feet at 73 miles an hour, before dropping into the dirt and, maybe, skipping across the plate, its time to man up to the fact that there is no place for you in the bullpen… never mind on the starting rotation.

    Waspish, adolescent boulevardiers don’t much interest me…particularly those who go to such pains to display their ignorance. I’ve already raised, and coached, all the kids I care to.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    So lioncourt took the benefits and then stiffed the persons who saved his life (or a family members life). How progressive.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    We have a Right to health care in this country! You just have to Pay for it! OR if you are like Lioncourt you can go Bankrupt and get your bills discharged.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    But, then, by your definition, the Barney Franks and Chris Dodds were “little Eichmanns”!
    Way to go, Demstem!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    That about describes anyone working in real estate over the last 8 years or so.

    You are repeating, not disproving your intellectual bankruptcy!

    How is someone working in real estate like a perpetrator of the Holocaust? Feel free to use logic and reasoning! Show your work.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I’m mobile to avoid the stew of viruses on this site.

    The stew of viruses that, like your insane theories about economics and politics, exist only in your head.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The US spends more in healthcare than any country in the world. Maybe getting rid of our system is economic stimulus.

    We also have the best health care in the world.

    But here’s the thing: What are you willing to pay for choice? I’m not willing to trade in my control, and my choice, in health care for a government-run, one-size-fits-all system that exchanges that choice for universal access to the same, crappy health care like Canada and other countries have.

    Our current system isn’t perfect, but I don’t want to open the door to government in my medical life and all that comes with it: Higher taxes, and leverage for bureaucrats to regulate every part of my life from my diet to my exercise routine.

  • sayanything-2483

    The parents and other family members are next in line. Remember “Hillary Care?”

  • sayanything-2483

    My point is Govt is not responsible for it’s people’s health care. Health care is NOT a Right. Health care is a personal responsibility.
    Zsa Zsa on February 5, 2009 at 05:21 am

    This will “change.” Socialized health care is just around the corner.

  • sayanything-2483

    Oh oh, what happens if they don’t get enough tax money from smokes to support the freebies?
    bill-tb on February 5, 2009 at 06:29 am

    Anyone know if the tobacco industry made contributions to “the one’s” campaign?

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