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Someone get the lady in the front row some water....

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

On a warm and clear spring evening, in front of a crowd estimated at 35,000, the Democratic presidential candidate told supporters that they have the opportunity to send a powerful message to the rest of the country in the primary on Tuesday.

Here is another shot of the Oregon crowd from the NYT

Yawn, huh?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Yawn is the reaction to McCain.
Bush draws flies.

Obama the Most Liberal Senator? Not Even in the Top 10

Obama has a very devoted group of followers…

So did many other cult leaders....

So did many other cult leaders....

You’re talking about Reagan, right?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

35,000 in Philly, 11,000 in Boise, 18,000 in Grand Forks. Impress me with the large crowds for McCain, Rob.

Sorry, Whistler, been in one of these where three people went down.  Older folks, hot lights, long time standing in line.

You’re talking about Reagan, right?

Sure, right you are.

Tell Larry and Moe I said “Hi.”

What a big flock of sheep!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

That is a sad statement about Socialism taking over our country. I don’t know why he is running as a Dem. He is clearly a commie socialist!

75,000 people in Portland to see Obama????

That sure is alot of Jimmy Jones Juice to make.

Is there a comet coming this way?

Mickey, Maybe it is Mars in retrograde?

That sure is a lot of Jimmy Jones Juice to make....
Mickey

Glad you said that. I wanted to add his reference to my first comment. Glad other people see the parallel.

As his followers profess an extravagant admiration for his nebulous ideas, mental meandering, and mental masturbations; I guess we could refer to him as a political fad. Some fads are driven by cultism. Remember Howard Dean of 2004? Obama just has a larger pitcher of Kool-Aid.

This is what I claimed it was long before the media ever mentioned it - it is Messiah Obama. This man is worshipped, not admired for his intellect, not admired for his brilliant political career (He has none), not admired for his proposals for the future (they are non-specific slogans); rather, this has gotten to the point of idolatry, he can do no wrong, nothing negative will stick to him, his is a demi-god.

He lectures America, he doesn’t give speeches. If his personal or political associations are made public it is called racism. If his wife on the campaign trail is criticized, Obama threatens anyone even mentioning his wife. This is nuts, but America and much of the world are swallowing the image, responding to the charisma and lapping up the slogans, and as a result Barak is polishing his divine image.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Obama definitely has a cult following.  Unfortunately some of these mindless acolytes will vote in November.  Want to bet that they will make more than one selection each?

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

America and much of the world are swallowing the image, responding to the charisma

And if he is elected he will discard his worshipers lake yesterdays newspaper.

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

This is what I claimed it was long before the media ever mentioned it - it is Messiah Obama. This man is worshipped, not admired for his intellect, not admired for his brilliant political career (He has none), not admired for his proposals for the future (they are non-specific slogans); rather, this has gotten to the point of idolatry, he can do no wrong, nothing negative will stick to him, his is a demi-god.

The man has done nothing to deserve the Preidency he has a grand total of what 2 - 3 years in the senate.  Now the all might Obama says his wife is out of bounds but the left is taking shots at McCain’s wife.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

35,000 in Philly, 11,000 in Boise, 18,000 in Grand Forks. Impress me with the large crowds for McCain, Rob.

Hahahahaha…

You actually think all these people coming out are going to vote for Obama?  You know what else draws a crowd?  A good traffic accident.

Big flippin’ deal.

I am going to be laughing and mocking you dumb liberals when Obama loses in a landslide to the weakest GOP candidate in a generation and you’re all going “Bbbbbutt...we don’t know anyone who voted for him!”

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

Potheads mostly, probably too stoned to vote, Obama is a hero to these idiots who like what he says and know nothing about him. Talk is cheap, and that is Obama can do, Obama is left of ninety percent of America, a socialist, and he wouldn’t be going to a racist church with a pastor who hates the USA, unless he agreed with him.
If you vote for Obama then you are very mislead by his speaking ability, perhaps you should check out his book, or his voting record first.

That is a sad statement about Socialism taking over our country. I don’t know why he is running as a Dem. He is clearly a commie socialist!

Sometimes when all the world has gone mad and you find yourself the only sane person left, it is often wise to question weather or not you are the common denominator between things you can’t understand and that you think you do.

Watching the right-wing denial is precious.

Zsa Zsa - That is a sad statement about Socialism taking over our country.

That’s what I thought as well.

Even sadder is watching some of the Obamabots (right here in this thread) convince themselves that nobody else exists.

Meanwhile...

And the “reality based community” will continue inverting reality. They are “liberal progressives”, after all.

ahahahaha…

You actually think all these people coming out are going to vote for Obama?  You know what else draws a crowd?  A good traffic accident.

Big flippin’ deal.

Heh.  Watching Rob sweep reality under the rug is as predictable as a morning wee.  And almost as interesting.

The excuses Repubs come up with to discount Obamas popularity among voters, on the other hand, are classic examples of the intellectual superiority they lord over us on a daily basis.

“commie socialists”

“stoners”

“Hippies”

“Yeah they showed up, but they aren’t going to vote for them”

I am going to be laughing and mocking you dumb liberals when Obama loses in a landslide to the weakest GOP candidate in a generation and you’re all going “Bbbbbutt...we don’t know anyone who voted for him!”

Of course Rob would never insult his political opponents for merely disagreeing with him.  That is why Republicans are high-brow.

If Obama can land Webb as a VP, it’s going to be a very exciting election year.

Great point let’s have two completely unexperienced turkey’s running on the Dem side.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

What? Raygun’s Secretary of the Navy is not good enough for you?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

If Obama can land Webb as a VP, it’s going to be a very exciting election year.

The question is, would Mr. Obama (or more correctly his wife Michelle) allow Webb to continue to own a handgun, or would Webb be forced to surrender his personal firearms in exchange for the #2 slot on the Dems’ ticket?

Maybe he’d get to keep a single gun… if he got an aide to carry it (illicitly) for him!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

The ability to draw huge crowds does not make you right. Hell, it might even make you ‘left’:

The ability to draw huge crowds does not make you right.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Potheads mostly, probably too stoned to vote, Obama is a hero to these idiots who like what he says and know nothing about him. Talk is cheap, and that is Obama can do, Obama is left of ninety percent of America, a socialist, and he wouldn’t be going to a racist church with a pastor who hates the USA, unless he agreed with him.
If you vote for Obama then you are very mislead by his speaking ability, perhaps you should check out his book, or his voting record first.

A nice blackhole of GOP talking points.  You’re learning grasshopper.  Although, you forgot a couple staples:

Lapel Pins - this is a must
Bill Ayers
“Cling” - no, not the laundry aid
Radical Muslim before he was a militant christian (remember the picture with the costume)

Someone wake me up when Obama can draw a crowd like that in a swing state like Pennsylvania or Kentucky.

And you wake me up when McCain gets 75K people anywhere. 

Also, you do realize that Oregon is not the hippy commune that you make it out to be.  It’s voting record, up until the 84 election, was a strictly Republican.  And last election, Kerry won it by a measily 4%.  It may not be a “swing state” as defined by you.  But it’s not marshmellow.  If McCain doesn’t go there and campaign to the rural folks in the east, he’s retarded.

Bat.

The question is, would Mr. Obama (or more correctly his wife Michelle) allow Webb to continue to own a handgun, or would Webb be forced to surrender his personal firearms in exchange for the #2 slot on the Dems’ ticket?

Maybe he’d get to keep a single gun… if he got an aide to carry it (illicitly) for him!

That is about as relevant as Dick Cheney having a gay daughter.

Your response may have been an emotional victory for you, but it certainly wasn’t a logical one.

H,

With all due respect, your history of convoluted and irrational defense of the progressive Mr. Obama coupled with your snide ad hominem as the mood and subject matter suit you, kinda disqualify you from judging the “logic” behind the commentary of others.

If you’re gonna play the rhetorical knight in shining armor to Michelle Obama’s fair(?) Dulcinea, you might wish to learn to recognize sarcasm when it crosses your path.  It’ll save wear and tear on that donkey you’re riding.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat,

With all due respect, your history of convoluted and irrational defense of the progressive Mr. Obama coupled with your snide ad hominem as the mood and subject matter suit you, kinda disqualify you from judging the “logic” behind the commentary of others.

That is the way you see it.  I could say the same thing about your irrational criticisms of Mr. Obama.  I would rather we just dealt with the issues rather than the hypothesis.  But if you are going to hypothesize, why cant I?

I would rather we just dealt with the issues rather than the hypothesis [sic].

H,

Excellent!  A well-worded retort and a perfect opening.  Thank you.

Now then, since you asked… I am a small business owner.  I am basically self-employed and to the extent possible, those I employ are 1099 employees, most of whom earn their income on commission.  In all my years, I have yet to see anything either academic or practical in nature which would convince me that higher taxes and more government regulation/interference in the economy, which thus remove capital out of the private (and efficient) market to feed (grossly inefficient) government will in any way foster economic growth.

That said, please explain to me in as convincing a manner as possible what experiences and accomplishments Mr. Obama brings to the table which would lead me to believe that an Obama presidency would offer the sustained economic growth which will prove beneficial to me, my family, my companies, and my employees.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

But if you are going to hypothesize, why
cant I?

There is nothing hypothetical about Obama’s lack of experience, nor his associations with corrupt developers, racist preachers or domestic terrorists, not to mention his wife’s America-bashing statements.
He has yet to divorce himself from either his Marxist background(Saul Alinsky) or his black nationalist background(Rev. Wright and the black liberation theology).  There is also nothing hypothetical about his Marxist economic pronouncements.  Yes, let’s talk about those “issues”, please!

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

That said, please explain to me in as convincing a manner as possible what experiences and accomplishments Mr. Obama brings to the table which would lead me to believe that an Obama presidency would offer the sustained economic growth which will prove beneficial to me, my family, my companies, and my employees.

Bat,

I do appreciate the effort to keep debate to the facts.  However, I take serious issue with your conditions to determine conclusions.

There is no correlation between experience and greatness when it comes to being a successful president.  Please see the link below and see for yourself that there is quite a bit of evidence to support this claim.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html

With that said, Obamas 120 billion dollar stimulus package has been graded the highest of all presidential candidates on several occasions, for several reasons.

One, the multiple $250 dollar checks Obama will be issuing is easy, and painless and most importantly, temporary.  This money will be spent and continue to sustain a faltering economy.  Things can change but Hillary and Edwards plans would drain the government of money for a long term period with heavy burdens to bear.

http://obama.3cdn.net/8335008b3be0e6391e_foi8mve29.pdf

I make a good salary and commission based on my productivity of sales.  I don’t like the fact on how much I pay on taxes but I accept it because I know it is needed and I am frankly not that selfish.

What will be the business decisions that will change if you pay more income tax?  Why not shelter more money?

There is however a correlation between experience and competence in office.  See Clinton’s first two years, Kennedy’s entire first term.

I wouldn’t be worry about it so much, if we weren’t living in such grave times.  Competence now matters.

If you pay more income tax, thats less money to invest.  People in the upper bracket has more money to invest, you rob them of that out of “fairness”, you are cutting everybody’s tendons, not just their’s. This isn’t about selfishness, it’s about the best interests of the country.

How is that band the Decemberist?  You pick up their music yet, H?

the multiple $250 dollar checks Obama will be issuing is easy, and painless and most importantly, temporary.

Is the word ”inflation” even in your vocabulary? (Aside from water toys and your girl friend, I mean!)
Increasing the supply of money without a commensurate (look it up Han!) increase in goods or services is inflationary. Is the Obama plan to have people bringing wheelbarrows full of dollars down to the store to buy bread? If so, this is a good first step!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

H,

First, let’s dispose of the hyperbole and deal with issues and facts… all as you yourself first requested.  I didn’t ask you if you feel Obama will be a great president.  Your feelings are of no concern to me, What I asked was that you demonstrate your candidate’s more modest claims to competence… something you, and he, have yet to demonstrate.

What I asked for was a recitation of those experience and accomplishments of Mr.Obama which would demonstrate to a small business owner that Obama’s election as president would lead to sustained, long-term economic growth.  What you gave me in return was a 4 sentence recitation about his so-called “economic stimulus plan” and some self-congratulatory drivel about your willingness to pay more taxes… neither of which addresses my preliminary concerns about Obama’s competence to be president, nor demonstrates that the general thrust of what he would attempt to do in the area of domestic economic policy would be in the country’s best, long-term economic interest.

You were the one who pleaded for a discussion based on issues and facts.  Your candidate’s lack of experience and accomplishment are facts!  And you, like he, have offered nothing to address those facts or the question of economic growth which is so vital to the country and the small business community.

Care to try again?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Only a screeching, leftwing moonbat with an unwarranted arrogance, a modestly improving vocabulary, and a near psychotic desperation to win at least one debate on “facts and issues” would offer such a public display of cognitive myopia in “misunderestimating” the comparison between Christians’ tolerance in the face of a perceived sacrilege and the repeated acts of violent intolerance by their medieval Muslim counterparts.

Furthermore, if you could read and comprehend as well as you prattle, you’d realize that there was a reason I included cities from six different countries in my post, rather than confining my remarks to the US.  Nor did I make the mistake of lumping all “Jews” together as you have, or implying that Jews are somehow not to be counted as Americans.  But then liberals like you are the ones who insist on group identity politics in the first place.

Here’s a tip for you, H, if you don’t understand what’s being said, ask a grown-up to explain it… don’t try to fake it.  Your rhetorical fumbling is simply a blatant distraction to the rest of us!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

You were the one who pleaded for a discussion based on issues and facts.  Your candidate’s lack of experience and accomplishment are facts!  And you, like he, have offered nothing to address those facts or the question of economic growth which is so vital to the country and the small business community.

Care to try again?

Bat,

I have already stated clearly that experience or lack of it does not translate into successful presidencies.  Why did you discount this?  Or, why did you simply ignore it?

Leaders, coming either in the form of a president or other excel when they hire and surround themselves with people who are experts in their field.

I don’t expect my president of my current company to be an expert at accounting, that is what the controller is for.  I don’t expect hiim to be a master at computer engineering, that is what the CTO is for.  Nor do I expect my president to be the best at marketing and sales, because that’s is what.....well, you get the picture.

Bush was a failed businessman before he entered office.  Why all of a sudden does this issue seem to matter?

Obama has received positive feedback from several economists about his economic stimulus package.  You and I both know that looking at economics is not a science.  It is slowly becoming a philosophy.  You and I will not accomplish anything to discuss it in detail.

Instead I chose to speak to your main argument, that of experience.  I spoke to it and you ignored it.

Where would you like to go from here?

P.S.

Please make an effort to post your responses in the appropriate posts.  I do not want to continue the discussion of why you think Muslims suck, in this post.

I have already stated clearly that experience or lack of it does not translate into successful presidencies. Why did you discount this? Or, why
did you simply ignore it?

My assumption is because your statement is meaningless.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

You and I both know that looking at economics is not a science.  It is slowly becoming a philosophy.

Contrary to your ignorant belief, the Law of Supply and Demand is not “philosophy”.  The Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns is not “philosophy”, either.
As usual, you demonstrate your ignorance of simple reality.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

P.S.

Please make an effort to post your responses in the appropriate posts.  I do not want to continue the discussion of why you think Muslims suck, in this post.

H,

My sincerest apologies.  I had forgotten just easily distracted and confused you are.  I’m trying to keep this as simple as possible for you, but you’ll have to understand that the sustained descent so many levels on your behalf is no small accomplishment.  The least you could do is accept the considerable effort I’m putting forth here to accommodate you!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I have already stated clearly that experience or lack of it does not translate into successful presidencies.  Why did you discount this?

H,

I discount what you say, because it happens not to be the truth.  Period.

The single biggest negative about Obama… even before we get to his associations (we’ll deal with Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and Michelle later), and his policy pronouncements (we are about to disembowel his economic and tax policy prescriptions next round) is the fact that he has no executive or managerial experience to his credit, no accomplishment of note on his marginally thin resume, nothing in his past to which one could point and say that based on what he has done Mr. Obama might make a competent president.

Of course, there’s no getting around the fact that he has neither accomplishment nor experience to point to, but I’m surprised that you would so readily concede the point.

Look, I expect that for you and his other supporters, Obama’s lack of experience or accomplishment is of no consequence.  But there are some limited if mostly lame arguments that could be made on his behalf.

It may not matter to you, but I can promise you he’s going to need all bunch of votes from those to whom it really does matter.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”