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Friday, April 11, 2008

Obama Disses The Hicks And Rubes Of Pennsylvania

There is video and a transcript of Obama hatin' on the poor country folk of Pennsylvania (it's from the Huffington Post, so it must be true):

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Perhaps this is Obama's odd pitch to make people cling to government instead. Does he really think that 'frustrations' are the only reasons people turn to religion, or choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights? Or that economic frustrations (and the inherent bigotry of the white man, perhaps?) are the only reasons to oppose immigration or trade?

This is probably just a tin-eared moment for a guy normally adept at avoiding such things. It does give a glimpse into his worldview, however.

Crossposted from Ken McCracken

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It does give a glimpse into his worldview, however.

But not quite as prescient as W.

“There’s no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead.” -George W. Bush, May 11, 2001

Sven Hussein Olsen on April 11, 2008 at 06:10 pm

Welcome to PA Barry. 

There is one point in your words that have me confused… anti-trade sentiment .  Isn’t it you and Hillary and Pelosi who are anti trade..?  You speak against trade deals like NAFTA, and have Pelosi do your drty work so you don’t have to vote on the Columbia trade deal..? 

You can’t have it both ways.

P.S.  As a life long (’cept a few years in DE) PA resident, I have NEVER heard more ads, both radio and TV for one candidate in an election as I have heard from Barry.  Where is he getting the money for all these ads..?

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atease on April 11, 2008 at 06:14 pm

Who called who

Hicks And Rubes


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WOOF on April 11, 2008 at 06:22 pm
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But not quite as prescient as W

To quote Inigo Montoya:

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Coincidentally, (?) I’ve used “prescient” correctly here twice in the last twenty four hours.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but do try to get it right!



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof on April 11, 2008 at 06:30 pm

From Answers.com site:

Prescient:

Meaning #1: perceiving the significance of events before they occur.

George Bush,

There’s no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead

I know metaphors are tough ones for some of you guys sometimes.  Abstract thinking nearly impossible.  But, using a dictionary?

Sven Hussein Olsen on April 11, 2008 at 06:45 pm
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from swimming freestyle:

“Barack Obama is a remarkably eloquent man and turning into a remarkably capable politician.  But if the Senator believes it’s smart to insult voters from a state critical to your success, he’s hit one of the worst false notes yet in his campaign.

Yeah, I know what his campaign said, and that may have been what he meant. But a sophisticated candidate doesn’t refer to voters in language that can be construed as derogatory or insulting.  Obama asserted Pennsylvania voters are bitter and so simple and lacking in maturity and intelligence that they address their frustration by clinging to primitive and reactionary crutches rather than addressing their problems in constructive ways.

It’s divisive.  And not the way to attract the voters you need most.”

http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

Jay McDonough on April 11, 2008 at 06:46 pm

“It comes off very badly,” Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers said of Obama’s small-town America remarks. “They are things that I think in a liberal world sound totally normal, and outside of that world I don’t know that he appreciates how it sounds. And it just sounds very elitist, and it sounds like he’s looking down on people.”

That’s the truth of the matter. It will take the liberals a while to spin this one because to them, it sounds normal.  It is how liberals view the “little people”.

Liberals are sure that no one can do it without gov’t help.  The intellectuals know whats best and we are all lucky to have people of their qualtiy making decisions for us.

That is why they will fail.


Congress is the only whorehouse in history to consistently lose money!

gilbyguy on April 11, 2008 at 06:54 pm

ken

Does he really think that ‘frustrations’ are the only reasons people turn to religion

if you could just recall the circumstances in which the jesus narrative was generated for me? would you say it was a powerful means of finding redemption and meaning in a time of frustration (given the Roman occupation and slavery and all)? just wondering. also, the circumstances the people who moses led were in? just for my memory?


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Sparkie Arbuckle on April 11, 2008 at 06:54 pm

Arbuckle:  Jesus… a powerful means of finding redemption and meaning from the frustration of being an imperfect human. 

Maybe that’s what you meant to say.


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“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
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pparets on April 11, 2008 at 07:06 pm
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It does give a glimpse into his worldview, however.

But not quite as prescient as W.

It’s that little word “but”! Please tell me what the present worldview of Obama “Dissing The Hicks And Rubes Of Pennsylvania” has to do with ”prescience”?

It’s open book! Please do use your dictionary, by all means! I’m waiting with bated breath!



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof on April 11, 2008 at 07:07 pm

I’ll try one last time to explain the first comment.

This is probably just a tin-eared moment for a guy normally adept at avoiding such things. It does give a glimpse into his worldview, however.

We are getting insight into Obama’s Worldview.  What he thinks of the world.

But not quite as prescient as W.

emphasize the word PRESCIENT, not BUT.

W. is telling us what the worldview will be while he is president.  CLOUDY, STORMY, perhaps even gloomy and dark.

Do you get it now?  Is this a normal hazing ritual for new posters or something, because it was a fairly simple metaphor.

Sven Hussein Olsen on April 11, 2008 at 07:16 pm

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imperfect human?

then i would just be begging the question, no?


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Sparkie Arbuckle on April 11, 2008 at 07:25 pm
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Sven: I call you “Sven” instead of what your Mom calls you (Moron!)
What
does
Barack’s
present
worldview (you’d better look that one up, genius!)
have
to
do
with
prescience ?

What he thinks of the world.

What he thinks if the world as it is today is NOT prescience.
Try reading your dictionary in English this time!

Do you get it now?  Is this a normal hazing ritual for new posters or something, because it was a fairly simple metaphor.

Not simple enough for you apparently! Do YOU get it now? It has to do with the meaning of English words. I’ll wait here while that sinks in!

It is fairly apparent that your BDS causes you to give answers that disparage Bush even when that is not the question! I don’t blame you for trying to change the subject away from what Obama said, though! It’s pretty embarrassing!



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof on April 11, 2008 at 07:29 pm
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Using Sven’s own definition:

perceiving the significance of events before they occur.

From the post:

the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them...And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Not “They will become bitter”, not “They will cling to their guns at some future point”, but this is the world as I see it now! Obama is talking cause and effect. This happened, then this happened as a result of the first. Cause and effect. Not prescience.

Sven: Consider a GED. It’s not too late!



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof on April 11, 2008 at 07:49 pm

Why are you making ME look these up, when its you that doesn’t know the meaning?

From a random website:

What is a worldview? A variety of definitions have been offered by numerous authors. For example, James Sire asserts that “A worldview is a set of presuppositions (or assumptions) which we hold (consciously or subconsciously) about the basic makeup of our world."{1} Phillips and Brown state that “A worldview is, first of all, an explanation and interpretation of the world and second, an application of this view to life. In simpler terms, our worldview is a view of the world and a view for the world."{2} Walsh and Middleton provide what we think is the most succinct and understandable explanation: “A world view provides a model of the world which guides its adherents in the world."{3} With the realization that many subtleties can be added, this will be our working definition.

Sven: I call you “Sven” instead of what your Mom calls you (Moron!)
What
does
Barack’s
present
worldview (you’d better look that one up, genius!)
have
to
do
with
prescience ?

I never said Barack was being Prescient.  I said Bush had a worldview and was being Prescient while he described what it would look like.

I call you “Sven” instead of what your Mom calls you (Moron!)

What are you, 15 years old?

The original post notes that Obama’s remarks may give us a glimpse at his Worldview.  I am saying that George Bush had a world view too. His quote is from May, 2001.  He is being prescient (perceiving the significance of events before they occur) about his presidency: “the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead.”

RE-READ this sentence again.  I know you are slow, but if you take your time and sound out the words syllable by syllable and emphasize the word “Prescient” you might just get it.

But not quite as prescient as W

“There’s no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead.” -George W. Bush, May 11, 2001

AGAIN:  OBama not being prescient, but we see his worldview. Bush’s quote, prescient about his presidency and his worldview.

Sven Hussein Olsen on April 11, 2008 at 07:56 pm
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Sven: Put down the crack pipe and try to use a little common sense. (I take it that the fish in your avatar is the smart one !)
The article describes cause and effect. You incorrectly used the word prescient to describe Barack’s present worldview.
Forgive me for trying to educate you. (You must be a Democrat!)



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof on April 11, 2008 at 08:17 pm

if you could just recall the circumstances in which the jesus narrative was generated for me? would you say it was a powerful means of finding redemption and meaning in a time of frustration (given the Roman occupation and slavery and all)? just wondering. also, the circumstances the people who moses led were in? just for my memory?

That’s all true Sparkie, but we all know that people turn to religion for a myriad of reasons. Mostly because people were brought up that way and are comfortable with it, is my guess.

Ken McCracken on April 11, 2008 at 08:18 pm

You incorrectly used the word prescient to describe Barack’s present worldview.

I didn’t use the word Prescient to describe anything about Obama.  I used it to describe Bush’s worldview.

Your pedantic (I shouldn’t use that word - I bet you will ask me to look it up for you) reply to my post implies your uncomfortable feeling towards those that don’t see eye to eye with you.  Your claim that I don’t know what words mean, or how to use them is pretty funny.  I wish I could give you credit for putting that word in my head, but I consciously don’t remember seeing it anywhere on these blogs today.  But, I’ll take your word for it that you used it twice.

Forgive me for trying to educate you. (You must be a Democrat!)

Well, I’m a Democrat on this site I guess.  I’m trying to be friendly in my “disagreements” and “differing points of view.” I truly am interested in all points of view, and as stubborn as I can be from time to time, I do like to think of myself as having an open mind.

Sven Hussein Olsen on April 11, 2008 at 08:38 pm
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Is Obama working the Two Americas thing of the Silky Pony?. Just wondering, that’s all.
Molon Labe, barack.

GM Cassel AMH1(AW) USN RET on April 12, 2008 at 04:12 am
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Obama is a racist garbage,he attacks the very things America has been liveing with sense we became a nation.He just lost a huge part of the pro second ademendment,and the small so called white hick towns.But then again he just gained the atheist,gays and hispanics.He talks like a coward in the night to a crowd of rich anti-white gays in Sanfransicko.He just pushes his ignorant head further up his ass,and yet he still don’t give a dam.He knows the white vote int important any more,and that whites are not important to the Demirat party any more.As long as he gets the aheist,asian,gay,black and hispanic vote he knows he will win.Obama is the comeing out man for the total destruction of white Christian America.He and his coherts the gays,atheist,asians,hispanics and blacks will be danceing in the street when he wins.He will allow more immigrants in from Mexico and Kenya,and by the end of his term whites will no longer have any power.

Papy Le Blanc on April 12, 2008 at 12:28 pm

OH MAN!!!

AUNTIE SPELLING BEA

WHERE ARE YOU????


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 12, 2008 at 01:13 pm

Oh my, Papy is just too good to be true!

Y’all gotta read Papy’s pap more than once.

And you fellers said gop racism is dead.

Wave your freak flag high, Papy The White, there are many more ready to follow your lead.

Onward Christian soldiers marching as to war!


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 12, 2008 at 01:25 pm

RBB:  Haha!  Yeah, Pappy is a bit over the top.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on April 13, 2008 at 07:11 am

‘White Daddy’ is the targeted demographic for gop outreach.

Papy Le Blanc is their version of Paul Revere.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 13, 2008 at 07:39 am
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